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Ramesh Mendis to Imam, out Stumped!! Beaten. Turn and bounce, Imam plays inside the line of this flighted delivery and misses. Dickwella checks the bails off and asks for a stumping. Not too excited. Oh, the back leg was moving. But is it on the ground? There is a shadow too to make life difficult for the third ump. Does seem like he lifted the back foot for a wee bit. But the third ump says he needs conclusive evidence to say the foot is totally off the ground because there is a shadow. The front on angle seems to suggest there could have been a spike in contact with the ground. He is asking for different angles. Asks for the square leg angle and magnifier. And he may have got the thought process spot on. The square leg angle does suggest the foot is off the ground. Asks to slow it down frame by frame and he says he is convinced Imam lifted his foot when the bail was off. This is top class umpring from Rod Tucker in terms are asking for conclusive evidence with different angles. What a breakthrough for Sri Lanka. The hosts were under the heat with the start from Pakistan. They bowled a series of dots and even bowled a maiden after about 23 overs, suddenly luck favours them too. Lazy from Imam. He was beaten by one that left him with bounce, Dickwella was alert to the possibility of Imam dragging his foot. So he waited and checked it off just in time to catch Imam off guard. Sri Lanka have an opening now! Imam st Dickwella b Ramesh Mendis 35(73) [4s-3]
 
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I thought bit of a spike was touching the ground but, a really tough one to be honest.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What a lazy and cheap way to give the opposition your wicket. Imam just stood there with his foot in the air and the wicket-keeper says thanks very much <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SLvsPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SLvsPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/VuQCYsbSJO">pic.twitter.com/VuQCYsbSJO</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1549298483773014016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2022</a></blockquote>
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It's 50/50 you can't say anything with certainty. I'm not a fan of this type of dismissal. The keeper is basically just waiting for the batsman to lift his back leg slightly while preparing to face the next ball. But the main reason I think this is a very cheap method of dismissing someone is that it doesn't require any skill.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What a lazy and cheap way to give the opposition your wicket. Imam just stood there with his foot in the air and the wicket-keeper says thanks very much <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SLvsPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SLvsPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/VuQCYsbSJO">pic.twitter.com/VuQCYsbSJO</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1549298483773014016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Hang on a second, why is Imam being blamed for this dismissal? Anyone who watched it live and watched the replays will have seen what amounts to blatant cheating by the Lankans.

Imam let the ball go, and was then carrying on adjusting his stance whilst the ball was dead. It is completely unacceptable for the Lankans to firstly claim that wicket and then secondly, for the umpires to actually give it out.

If all wicker keepers did this, and if all umpires took such a narrow view of the rules, batsmen would be out stumped all the time.

The Lankans should be ashamed of the way in which they got that wicket.
 
When wicket keeper caught the bowl his feet was grounded its only after when he thought bowl was dead thst he went for stumping. Bad shout
 
Hextro said:
It's 50/50 you can't say anything with certainty. I'm not a fan of this type of dismissal. The keeper is basically just waiting for the batsman to lift his back leg slightly while preparing to face the next ball. But the main reason I think this is a very cheap method of dismissing someone is that it doesn't require any skill.
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That's Dickwella for you. He has done stuff like this numerous times. Which is why I have zero respect for him as a sportsman.
 
U can't expect sportsmanship from DICKWELLA. But equally Imam should know these mistakes are unforgivable at international level.
 
ooh I just saw the video and that is outrageous.

Firstly, extremely poor sportsmanship by the wicketkeeper and then how can the umpire be absolutely sure that a spike wasn't grounded???
 
The ball shall be considered to be dead when it is clear to the bowler's end umpire that the fielding side and both batters at the wicket have ceased to regard it as in play. Whether the ball is finally settled or not is a matter for the umpire alone to decide.
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So the on-field umpires decided it was still in play, apparently.
 
He was getting ready for next bowl, scraping the crease. One of the commies said all teams would have done that the law needs changing. I disagree, not all teams will do that. Poor sportsmanship.. bad..
 
Bad shout, pathetic umpiring and a tiny mistake by Imam.

SL were kinda desperate and the WK went for shout.

Imam was clearly marking his guard. I hope someone mankads Sri Lankans in a key world cup game, just for the lols :yk
 
Usman said:
Hang on a second, why is Imam being blamed for this dismissal? Anyone who watched it live and watched the replays will have seen what amounts to blatant cheating by the Lankans.

Imam let the ball go, and was then carrying on adjusting his stance whilst the ball was dead. It is completely unacceptable for the Lankans to firstly claim that wicket and then secondly, for the umpires to actually give it out.

If all wicker keepers did this, and if all umpires took such a narrow view of the rules, batsmen would be out stumped all the time.

The Lankans should be ashamed of the way in which they got that wicket.
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I second this!! Seriously how are you gonna blame Imam?? How in the world is that lazy and cheap on Imam's part.

That was disgraceful from Sri Lanka period end of story.
 
Another one of those grey areas in cricket, Was the ball still in play? Similar thing happened at the end of the t20 blast on Saturday, 2 runs to win of the last ball stumps broken after 1 run completed Lancs carried on running while hampshire were celebrating, umpire deemed ball dead after stumps broken.

Poor sportsmanship from SL to claim the wicket but you cant really blame them, i think umpire is at fault on this occassion.
 
Foot was in the air when the keeper took off the bails so that's out.

This is why as a batter you have to be wide awake and alert.

Very poor cricket from Imam.
 
Saj said:
Foot was in the air when the keeper took off the bails so that's out.

This is why as a batter you have to be wide awake and alert.

Very poor cricket from Imam.
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Reminds me of that famous Asad Shafique and Azhar Ali episode vs Australia when Azhar was run out thinking ball had gone to the boundary
 
Saj said:
Foot was in the air when the keeper took off the bails so that's out.

This is why as a batter you have to be wide awake and alert.

Very poor cricket from Imam.
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I suppose it's down to how you are brought up playing cricket.
Yes the game has evolved since I played but trust me you wouldn't have wicket keepers in a English club league game going up for that in my day.

Ball goes to the keeper, the batsman is clearly marking his guard and the keeper then looks for the opportunity is clearly bad sportsmanship and the game should not be played like.

If Imam is brought up to play the game the correct way then I really can't fault him on this.
 
Saj said:
Foot was in the air when the keeper took off the bails so that's out.

This is why as a batter you have to be wide awake and alert.

Very poor cricket from Imam.
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It should been called a dead ball. Hardly “very poor cricket”, extremely harsh to be blaming that on Imam.
 
Saj said:
Foot was in the air when the keeper took off the bails so that's out.

This is why as a batter you have to be wide awake and alert.

Very poor cricket from Imam.
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Completely unwarranted criticism in this instance.

It was an extremely unfortunate dismissal and I’m not even sure he was out.
 
QalandarFan said:
I second this!! Seriously how are you gonna blame Imam?? How in the world is that lazy and cheap on Imam's part.

That was disgraceful from Sri Lanka period end of story.
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Make up your own mind if ball was dead or not. The umpires went straight to position of the foot - which means they were convinced play was live. Tough call.

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I was 6 years old when my sports coach said to me, when on the field always watch the ball, irrespective of who has it and when they have it.
 
the ball was dead hed let it go when Dick had the ball he was in and he waited for Imam to prepare for the next ball.
Criticism unwarranted if hed done that to Virat or someone there would have been a twitter tirade

Unfortunate
 
UsmanhailsAfridi said:
He was marking his guard for the next ball

Come on Saj you know better that was pathetic by Lanka
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The ball was still in the wicket-keepers gloves.

It wasn't as if it had been passed around the fielders.

If the ball is in the wicket-keepers hands, as a batter you should be alert and wary of what could happen.
 
Come on man. So wkt ll wait now after every ball to see if batter makes a mistake of thinking the ball is dead and stump them.
 
Sri Lankans play their cricket a little differently. I'd never expect such a thing from Pakistan.

Personally, always hated this "waiting game" trick by the wicket keepers. The ball was clearly dead by the time we went to whip the bails the second time. Pretty poor stuff from the keeper - cheap and unskillful way to get a wicket.
 
The laws are a bit wish washy these days.
A fielder or keeper can't fool the batsmen in to thinking that the ball is on its way to the stumps (or is not), yet the keeper can hold on to the ball and wait to see if the batsman moves his foot up slightly before taking the bails off.... even if it's absolutely apparent that the delivery would not have dismissed the batsman and in fact the batsman was actually marking out his guard for the next delivery.
 
What awful sportmanship from the Sri Lankans. As everyone is saying, enough time has passed from delivery to the 'stumping' attempt where Imam should concievably believe that the ball is dead.

Imam is not trying to gain any advantage or has made any error in his position.

The Sri Lankan team should be ashamed.
 
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Come on man. So wkt ll wait now after every ball to see if batter makes a mistake of thinking the ball is dead and stump them.
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Let's go one step further and fake throw the ball to fielders. Wait for the batsman to pat down the pitch and quickly chuck it back to the WK.

Awful, awful decision. [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] not sure where you're coming from here tbh.
 
According to the MCC Law 20.1.1.1: “The ball shall be considered to be dead when it is clear to the bowler’s end umpire that the fielding side and both batters at the wicket have ceased to regard it as in play.”

In this instance, Dickwella clearly considered the ball still to be live.

However, Law 20.1.2 also says that the ball is deemed dead once, “it is finally settled in the hands of the wicket-keeper or of the bowler.” With the decision of “whether the ball is finally settled or not is a matter for the umpire alone to decide (20.2).”

This is not the first time that Dickwella has been involved in such controversies, having previously been fined for attempting a late stumping of Zimbabwean batter Solomon Mire during an ODI in 2017.
 
DOn't understand people slagging off Imam here, ballw as dead. Poor sportsmanship and awful umpiring.
 
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Imam's foot lifted whilst bail coming off
 
Awful, awful decision. @Saj not sure where you're coming from here tbh.
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I'm going by the laws of cricket and not sympathy.
 
Saj said:
I'm going by the laws of cricket and not sympathy.
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I don’t think that dismissal was within the laws of cricket. The ball was dead - end of.

Taken to the extreme, you could have batsmen at the end of the over walk up to each other and be stumped.

That was a shameful way to get a wicket and I would say exactly the same thing if it was Mohammed Rizwan who had just done that to the Lankan opener.
 
MenInG said:
According to the MCC Law 20.1.1.1: “The ball shall be considered to be dead when it is clear to the bowler’s end umpire that the fielding side and both batters at the wicket have ceased to regard it as in play.”

In this instance, Dickwella clearly considered the ball still to be live.

However, Law 20.1.2 also says that the ball is deemed dead once, “it is finally settled in the hands of the wicket-keeper or of the bowler.” With the decision of “whether the ball is finally settled or not is a matter for the umpire alone to decide (20.2).”

This is not the first time that Dickwella has been involved in such controversies, having previously been fined for attempting a late stumping of Zimbabwean batter Solomon Mire during an ODI in 2017.
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I think this post here confirms it.
Imam did nothing wrong..
The wicketkeeper and the umpires messed it up.
 
MenInG said:
Its a judgement call for the umps.
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Yes and that is why I maintain that the umps messed up.
A batsmen taking guard tells you what their intention is.
The batsman's action was unambiguous, he thought the ball was dead and that is that.
 
I've seen Alec Stewart do this multiple times in his career. To me, its disgusting. You should not hold the ball for that long with the intention of stumping a batsman. Stumping has to be a spontaneous act. Not holding the ball for clearly 2-3 seconds waiting for the batsman to lift his feet. The rules need clarity and objectivity. Dead ball is a subjective element in the game and particularly with regards to WK. This shouldn't have been allowed.
 
I don't understand how this is not a dead ball. The ball was in the keepers hands, imam waited a second or two in his crease then went to go mark his crease. Imo this is a disgusting form of cricket and stuff like this should be fined.

Edit: Just saw that dickwella actually juggled the ball as well. If I am Imam, I could see that as him throwing the ball to someone, like keepers usually do. It just keeps getting worse.
 
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Didn't see the dismissal and assumed it was some lazy batting but watching it back now, that is appalling from the Lankans.

For all intents and purposes, that ball was dead. Even the bowler has turned around, he doesn't even see the "stumping". Imam holds the pose for a couple of seconds, while Dickwella has the ball, then goes to mark his crease and Dickwella takes the bails off??

I am stunned the umpires have decided to give that out.
 
I first thought that the ball was alive but then reading the rules it's clearly a dead ball.
 
Imam is such a mummy/daddy cricketer. The guy will find ways to get out in a careless fashion more often than not. Such a shame because he is still a good player but doesn’t seem street smart enough.
 
Decisions like this can happen in a match.. Abdullah Shaffique was clearly OUT LBW but the umpire ruled in his favour and now Pakistan may have won the match because of it.

It's no big deal, unless you got STEVE BUCKNORED....
 
Romali_rotti said:
Decisions like this can happen in a match.. Abdullah Shaffique was clearly OUT LBW but the umpire ruled in his favour and now Pakistan may have won the match because of it.

It's no big deal, unless you got STEVE BUCKNORED....
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In this day and age this argument is no longer applicable. When you have 3 reviews and either don't use one of them or blow them all away; than such a thing is down to your own incompetence.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Decisions like this can happen in a match.. Abdullah Shaffique was clearly OUT LBW but the umpire ruled in his favour and now Pakistan may have won the match because of it.

It's no big deal, unless you got STEVE BUCKNORED....
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How was Abdullah 'clearly out'....when DRS showed it as umpires call
 
Disgusting underhanded tactics by Dickwella. I don't blame Imam at all for this. He had grounded his bat and then moved. He didn't expect Dickwella to do something like this. And even then he was given out by the barest of margins.

Dickwella is without a doubt one of the most pathetic people in world cricket when it comes to unsportsman-like behavior. I remember back in 2017 during a test match in Kolkata where he was wasting time at the end of the day by tying his shoelaces and asking for a helmet. When Kohli and Shami came up to him and called him out, he deliberately started arguing with them to waste more time.

This guy should have been a pro-wrestler, not a cricketer. He could actually draw some money as a sniveling heel because people would pay to see him get an a**kicking.
 
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Ashmal said:
How was Abdullah 'clearly out'....when DRS showed it as umpires call
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It was hitting in line and almost middle of leg stump, it was out. The umpire can give it not out or out, but per the LBW rule it is out Abdullah was lucky it was ruled not out. Had the umpire ruled it out initially it wouldn't have been over turned to not out...
 
Romali_rotti said:
It was hitting in line and almost middle of leg stump, it was out. The umpire can give it not out or out, but per the LBW rule it is out Abdullah was lucky it was ruled not out. Had the umpire ruled it out initially it wouldn't have been over turned to not out...
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Yeah, that's not called 'clearly out'.
 
Marooned said:
Don't use the adjective 'clearly' then. Umpire's call isn't 'clearly' out, that's why it is umpire's call. No scope for opinions here.
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Well this is where you are wrong.

As a fan, I am entitled to make a hypothesis and come to my own conclusion that it was clearly out..
 
Romali_rotti said:
Well that's your opinion, I thought it was clearly out..
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It’s one of those that looked out but actually the ball didn’t turn so it was at best hitting leg stump.

Could have gone either way but regardless Sri Lanka didn’t lose because of that decision. They lost because their bowling was a bit weak and Pak played out of their skins on a day 4/5 wicket.
 
90MPH said:
It’s one of those that looked out but actually the ball didn’t turn so it was at best hitting leg stump.

Could have gone either way but regardless Sri Lanka didn’t lose because of that decision. They lost because their bowling was a bit weak and Pak played out of their skins on a day 4/5 wicket.
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I don't totally disagree with what you are saying. Shafique wicket would have won Sri Lanka the match but they dropped him twice also after the LBW appeal so no excuses. Pakistan was the better side and deserved the win.
 
Glad we got the win here. Huge slap in the face to Dickwella for his cheating antics. Horrible sportsmanship and Karma came back to bite Sri Lanka with the dropped catches.
 
Bowlers has turned back to walk back to his mark. Batsman has held the pose and then broken away. The keeper himself has juggled the ball from one hand to the other...how in the world is the ball still in play???

This was pathetic from Dickwella but equally pathetic by the umpires. Common sense should've prevailed.
 
Rana said:
Imam is such a mummy/daddy cricketer. The guy will find ways to get out in a careless fashion more often than not. Such a shame because he is still a good player but doesn’t seem street smart enough.
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Whatever the length of time is when the stumping takes place, if the ball is in the keeper's hands then you need to be alert and not move out of your crease or lift your feet.

We can say it was underhand etc but Imam should have been more alert of what was going on.
 
Snowflake said:
Bowlers has turned back to walk back to his mark. Batsman has held the pose and then broken away. The keeper himself has juggled the ball from one hand to the other...how in the world is the ball still in play???

This was pathetic from Dickwella but equally pathetic by the umpires. Common sense should've prevailed.
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He juggled it so the ball is stil in play.
 
A bit surprised we haven't heard from any players comment on this.

Clownish move from the wicket keeper.
 
Usman said:
Hang on a second, why is Imam being blamed for this dismissal? Anyone who watched it live and watched the replays will have seen what amounts to blatant cheating by the Lankans.

Imam let the ball go, and was then carrying on adjusting his stance whilst the ball was dead. It is completely unacceptable for the Lankans to firstly claim that wicket and then secondly, for the umpires to actually give it out.

If all wicker keepers did this, and if all umpires took such a narrow view of the rules, batsmen would be out stumped all the time.

The Lankans should be ashamed of the way in which they got that wicket.
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100% agree with this. when i watched this live, it looked like imam was preparing for the next ball and the ball he had just played was already done.
infact dickwella tried to stump but didnt, waited for imam to move his leg and then sneaked one in...

i dont know if thats appropriate
 
Saj said:
I was 6 years old when my sports coach said to me, when on the field always watch the ball, irrespective of who has it and when they have it.
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disagree with this.

Dickwella made an attempt to stump, noticed that imam was in - then waited for imam to lift his leg.

at this time, he's preparing for the next ball.

the current ball is now done.

he should not have been given out at all...
 
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