[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Was Saud Shakeel given out incorrectly?

[Mamoon]

Not the first time a benefit of the doubt decision has gone against Pakistan at a crucial time. I hope Ramiz has the cajones to take this up with the ICC

I hope he also brings up the Axar Patel run out in the World Cup. There was no conclusive evidence that the bails were dislodged by the ball rather than Rizwan’s gloves but the umpired ruled in Pakistan’s favor.

If Pakistan was on the receiving end of that decision, we wouldn’t hear the end of it & we would be given lectures on how benefit of doubt goes to the batsman.

Pakistani fans will never fail to play the victim card & cry foul. It is ingrained, embedded in their mindset.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Firstly it wasn’t out, even a blind man could see this, and to suggest we’d of lost regardless is completely nonsense!

No it isn't. It's been proven over the past 23 years we are chokers.

 

[PakPremi]

Poor decision and in my opinion it costed Pakistan Test match toward the end, as Saud was playing comfortably and Agha despite his limitaion was cabable of good support.
However, the two shots that Nawaz and Saud played were foolish and handed the match to England after such hard work and sensible batting by the duo.

 

[dildilpak]

See this in slo mo

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He cleanly caught it, but pretty sure he grounded it later.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Hope now people dont talk about ECB=ICC like BCCI=ICC. These things happen in cricket. Sometimes the rub of the green goes our way and sometimes it doesn't.

 

[shamaan]

Looks 50-50
Soft signal is to blame here

Soft signal is only thier if technology fails.

 

[shamaan]

Was out

Not enough evidence to overturn

On field umpiring shouldn't be In consideration the rule has changed.

 

[Monsee]

I hope he also brings up the Axar Patel run out in the World Cup. There was no conclusive evidence that the bails were dislodged by the ball rather than Rizwan’s gloves but the umpired ruled in Pakistan’s favor.

If Pakistan was on the receiving end of that decision, we wouldn’t hear the end of it & we would be given lectures on how benefit of doubt goes to the batsman.

Pakistani fans will never fail to play the victim card & cry foul. It is ingrained, embedded in their mindset.

Maybe that Kapil run out from 1979 WC and that Srikanth decision where IK recalled him should be investigated as well...while at it, let's check all decisions Pakistan ever got in their favor, even when the batsman was actually out (because Pakistan players clearly use telepathy to make the umpire give the out decisions)...why, because a sad little troll has to somehow make it about himself on a certain site.

Get a life!

 

[Monsee]

Firstly it wasn’t out, even a blind man could see this, and to suggest we’d of lost regardless is completely nonsense!

Only trolls and Indian fans are saying it...especially a sad little wanna be troll who always have to find a way to try and start an argument so he can be the main attention. What a simpleton.

 

[Executioner]

My true beef is the concept of soft-signal.

1) If it is truly conclusive then giving a soft-signal is irrelevant
2) If it is inconclusive to the third umpire how do you expect the on-field umpire to have a good idea of what is going on.

Scrap this concept. Period. And yes this was not out and would have definitely be given not out if there was nothing shambolic like soft-signal. Not interested in the debate of why third umpire didn't give it not out.

 

[James]

He cleanly caught it, but pretty sure he grounded it later.

Yes this was my view as well.

“Live”, it looked good.

Saud was about to walk off, until the on field umpires expressed some doubt.

Then on the replays, it seems that the ball does indeed cleanly shoot into Pope’s glove, but touches the ground afterwards while Pope is falling over.

I don’t blame Pope for this, there’s no way he could have known for sure whether the ball inside his chunky glove rolled onto the grass so briefly during his crash into the turf & the England team were all loudly appealing together.

This was Joel Wilson’s mistake. As TV umpire he had the technology at his fingertips and should have given that one not out.

 

[James]

One thing I don’t get is why there is even a soft signal when the replays are so good now.

If there is an uncertain catch, just make the square sign on the field and go straight up to the video. That should be a part of the TV umpire’s job.

If it’s out, it’s out; if there is too much doubt, not out and carry on. Simple.

 

[dildilpak]

One thing I don’t get is why there is even a soft signal when the replays are so good now.

If there is an uncertain catch, just make the square sign on the field and go straight up to the video. That should be a part of the TV umpire’s job.

If it’s out, it’s out; if there is too much doubt, not out and carry on. Simple.

They had no soft signal concept in IPL last couple of editions? Pretty sure nobody missed it either. Wonder why ICC is so slow in adopting welcome changes in rules.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joel Wilson does do so much crap for years now and still doing more crap &#55358;&#56621; …. At lease he’s consistent well done &#55357;&#56397;&#55356;&#57342;</p>— Tino95 (@tinobest) <a href="https://twitter.com/tinobest/status/1602289741621350400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

Shakeel was strangled down the leg-side, with Ollie Pope taking a low catch off Mark Wood. Wood looked unsure at first as to whether the ball carried, but Pope was convinced, and Aleem Dar sent the decision upstairs with the soft signal ‘out’.

After a lengthy review, TV umpire Joel Wilson ruled that Dar should stay with his on-field decision, and Shakeel was sent on his way.

There was plenty of debate over the decision, with some feeling Wilson should have overturned Dar’s call. Pakistan captain Babar Azam was one of those of the opinion that there had been an error. “The Shakeel dismissal cost us,” he said. “It looked to us as if the ball had touched the ground. As a professional, you have to respect the umpire’s decision, but we felt the ball had been grounded.”

Others suggested that the soft signal rule had changed, and that this should have an impact on the outcome. The suggestions were that the soft signal now only applied if there is an error in technology, with the TV umpire coming to what they believe is the correct decision no matter what the on-field official has signalled.

However, it is unclear where these suggestions come from. There are no news reports of any recent changes to the ‘soft signal’ protocol, and the ICC’s Playing Conditions, last updated in November 2022, still state that the TV umpire must find conclusive evidence to overturn the on-field call. Clause 2.2.2 of Appendix D of the ICC’s World Test Championship playing conditions deals with the soft signal protocol for umpire reviews. It states: “If the third umpire advises that the replay evidence is inconclusive, the on-field decision communicated at the start of the consultation process shall stand.”

The soft signal rule is a much-debated wrinkle in the Decision Review System. In July, Ben Stokes called for the rule to be done away with, while the MCC have put forward that a third soft signal – ‘unsighted’ or similar – should be used for outfield catches when the on-field umpire has little evidence to go on.

The Indian Premier League has done away with the soft signal, but there is nothing to suggest the ICC has done likewise.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Only trolls and Indian fans are saying it...especially a sad little wanna be troll who always have to find a way to try and start an argument so he can be the main attention. What a simpleton.

Dude - there are several indian fans including on PP on this thread who have said its 'not out'.. Get off the they are out to get us gravy train. Several of us appreciate the game more than bring our biases into it.
I said it at the time, i say it again -there was enough doubt to overturn the decision and should have been not out.
Dar is an incompetent umpire and needs to be shelved, so does joel wilson.
bin the soft signal nonsense once and for all and whilst at it remove the word 'mankaded' and replace it with bowler's back up or back up run out or some other fancy jargon buzz word.

 

[MenInG]

Azhar Ali dismissal today looked correct and really have no issues with it



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[James]

Joel Wilson is hopeless to be honest, as TV umpire he took out Saud on an “out” soft signal when it was clearly not out on the video, and then as field umpire he gave the obviously clean Azhar catch as not out with his soft signal.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes. Out <a href="https://t.co/vGNwCNX6Gt">https://t.co/vGNwCNX6Gt</a></p>— Stuart Broad (@StuartBroad8) <a href="https://twitter.com/StuartBroad8/status/1604019680590585856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2022</a></blockquote>
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