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I can’t say I am surprised at this.Stats are always misleading. The problem for Pakistan were not the openers
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I can’t say I am surprised at this.Stats are always misleading. The problem for Pakistan were not the openers
Brother you're not understanding. It takes years to build a team.TBH, I will simply use Farhan and Fakhar up top now. Babar at 3. drop rizwan
but this not going to happen. So what can I say.
Stats are misleading if you take things put of context.Stats are always misleading. The problem for Pakistan were not the openers. The problem was playing a toothless spinner in Shadab, a disinterested leading bowler in Shaheen, an unimaginative captain in Babar and poisonous team management/cricket board.
When it comes to strikers of the ball, Saim Ayub & Azam Khan have already proved how brainless they are. I was actually supporting Sharjeel Khan a few days ago but when I closely saw his game and skill against half decent quality bowlers I withdrew my support.
I would rather play Saud Shakeel as a T20 opener and find some quality bowlers who can defend targets of 170-180. Pakistan is simply not cut to make 220-250 in 20 overs. The sooner we realise that, the better.
Stats are misleading if you take things out of context, so in case people rat, Here's the context.I can’t say I am surprised at this.
Says who?The good thing is now majority in consensus
It also causes detrimental harm in the long runThis quick fix solution doesn't work.
I disagree. For pakistan quick fixed have worked in the past, but pakistan fumbled them big.It also causes detrimental harm in the long run
Tbh I don’t think Sarfaraz was supposed to be a quick fix. He was destined to become Pakistan’s leader at some point, just like Saad Baig will eventually become Pakistan’s leader one day.I disagree. For pakistan quick fixed have worked in the past, but pakistan fumbled them big.
For example Fakhar Zaman and Sarfraz in 2017 and 2015 were quick fixes to save the humiliation, and both ended up becoming gems and later became permanent stays.
It's just quick fix doesn't always work and usually fails more often then not, which is why India played it smart by nit having abh and Jaiswal and Gill play in the world cup, as when these 3 cane, before they could properly adjust they collapsed like a house of cards against Zimbabwe and clearly weren't ready to face stronger teams, hence their talent must be nutured.
Rizwan wasn't a quick fix, he didn't pop out of nowhere. He made his debut in 2015 before babar even, but always failed even though despite sarfi being VC in t20 in 2016, Afridi tried his hardest to make rizzu work.
Rizwan is basically asad shafiq 2.0 with misbah shoving him at key positions over others and it never worked out. Rizwan at t20 opening has never worked in tournaments and will never work.
@Kianig89 @IMMY69 @gazza619 @RidiculousMan @BouncerGuy
Can you explain why this has been the issue with Pakistan cricket since Covid restrictions ended?
Says who?
Besides Ayub,Well that question should be asked to players such as Ayub, Fakhar, Azam, Imad and IFti as well as to Rizbar...
The majority became die hard Pakistan cricket fans during Covid. Pakistan cricket was an illusion to them before 2019Well unless the majority are as insane as the minority
Besides Ayub,
Did these 4 (Fakhar, Azam, Imad and Ifti) have assigned powerplay duties? What are you on about? The question is about Pakistan’s PP sr, the question needs to be posed to their openers, they get the lion share of the powerplay. How can you question guys who are not really lined up for that role?!
Fakhar bats at 4 for Pakistan. If the number 4 has to bat in the powerplay, how do you expect him to play? Like an opener (free of mind with no wickets having fallen)?Fakhar and that ex UAE batters' dismissal against the USA, what has the PP got to do with their dismissal?
furthermore, they carried on the same vein against India too.
Besides Ayub,
Did these 4 (Fakhar, Azam, Imad and Ifti) have assigned powerplay duties? What are you on about? The question is about Pakistan’s PP sr, the question needs to be posed to their openers, they get the lion share of the powerplay. How can you question guys who are not really lined up for that role?!
I see, so Usman coming in with first couple of overs and trying to launch it for six when there is a player placed exactly in the position is because we were one down?Fakhar bats at 4 for Pakistan. If the number 4 has to bat in the powerplay, how do you expect him to play? Like an opener (free of mind with no wickets having fallen)?
Do you understand the meaning of 3 wickets falling the the powerplay stat? Do you know what that results in mostly? Is Fakhar, our number 4 supposed to play as if his wicket falling now wouldn’t impact the game?
You pick what’s right for the jobWhat is the logic of selecting a 30+ year old in T20 cricket? How does that progress the performances of the team?
Bearing in mind the next T20 World Cup is in a couple of years, not in a month or even a couple of months time
Any player that has played first class cricket or under 19's that is between the age of 19 to 25You pick what’s right for the job
What’s your logic in picking unknowns to compete at the mega event for you?
You have ideas apparently. What’s your XI for the 2026 World Cup? Let’s hear them now. Be clear in your mind.
Sounds great, but do you have a team in mind to make this happen? Even I can say I want the team to play like this and that, I need to back it up with an XI that I expect to execute my plans.Any player that has played first class cricket or under 19's that is between the age of 19 to 25
start with that catagory and then look for individuals that fit within that catagory...
Won't happen but that's the way forward.
If Sharjeel is the solution from your side, then I will rest my case, your honor.
What will Sharjeel offer, a random boundary followed by a customary catch to deep backward point, not to mention his sloppy fielding, we need to look ahead
Sounds great, but do you have a team in mind to make this happen? Even I can say I want the team to play like this and that, I need to back it up with an XI that I expect to execute my plans.
Mate, they maybe have but let's apply some context here. These two did well in a legends competition where most of the bowlers wouldn't get into a first class team let alone a good club first team.I would bet with my life that had Kamran and Sharjeel opened against the USA, they’d have done a better job in the PP and I will go out on a limb to say that they’d have done better against India. Now am not suggesting Kami should come back, I don’t think folk have suggested every player that has done well in the WCL tournie but Sharjeel is still a live dog, one who’s critics have depicted a strange amnesia towards Pakistan premier List A domestic competition and are banding him in the same bracket as retired talent very ignorantly
Mate, they maybe have but let's apply some context here. These two did well in a legends competition where most of the bowlers wouldn't get into a first class team let alone a good club first team.
Comparing Sharjeel with Chahcha already killed the discussion. Cheers
Regarding the campions cricket competition, I'm useless, but even I managed to hit one of the biggest sixes I have ever hit when I once played on a ground with a 45/50 meter boundary...
Reason being is that you play with freedom, knowing that a decent mis hit is likely to go for a six or a four...
When you play with that freedom then chances are you're gonna hit a few sweetly
I'm just highlighting my own experience...You can’t really use that example.
Some players just pass the eye test and have supporting evidence, it’s not just this WCL tournie but top flight domestic cricket.
Ok so champions trophy is slightly different to T20's where the next World Cup is still a couple of years away.I hadn’t followed Sharjeel for some time and was about to be grasped by the misguided agenda against aggressive batsman, but then I found out that actually, he is not past it yet and has been performing in domestic cricket , and this was well before the WCL, but how he is also been the best player in the WCL yeah sure against lower attacks although more experienced and similar to USA/Ireland/Zimbabwe, reinforces my opinion that he should be in the conversation to open in the champions trophy, you are acting like you shake a tree in Pak and out falls 19 year old David Warner’s, the sad truth is you would happily take an older batsman with sound technique but zero modern batting know how, many of our fans seem to be poisoned with this including some family members who I have to disown sadly for the movement
I'm just highlighting my own experience...
It clearly plays a party otherwise guys like Rydu, Bell, even Tanvir Ahmed and Amin would have played a lot more for their countries in T20's, tab it as a top order hitter
Ok so champions trophy is slightly different to T20's where the next World Cup is still a couple of years away.
Sharjeel does look unfit and slow in the field, this will impact him more in the longer format BUT a case for 50 over cricket can be made but then we're comparing him to existing players that play in different positions and the average vs strike rate argument changes a little
You should have seen me bat thenl
Going off your experiences I am recalling my own now and while we would naturally score the runs, I think with proper slogging technique and a bottom hand we ought to do better, classical batting to loft doesn’t maximise the returns
Babar/Rizwan should not be in the discussion especially as openersWe will see what the situation is then, but I think if they give him a consistent run and long rope, he would then force his selection in other forms to whether they like it or not. I watched him in the field live and I actually thought he did a great job yesterday, others were not even trying.
As for the T20 argument today, would I take him over Babar and Rizwan, after how they have destroyed the Pakistan team and humiliated the nation despite such a long run, why wouldn’t I? they still don’t know what the purpose of being an opener is in T20’s and quit when under the pump
But that's a lot of hard work, investment, pain etc.... nope PCB like everything else in the country prefers quick fix solutions. It doesn't necessarily need to resolve the issue, but simply needs to create an illusion that it's a possible solution. When it fails, jump to the next quick fix.Anyone who has witnessed England’s rise in LOI’s and also played club cricket in England understand the change needed in Pakistan, it needs to start right from the bottom my lo a club has more 360 players then the international Pak WC T20 team, it wont fix the wider issues right away but we can start by changing the culture in the national team by maximising the PP and not premeditating the sort of totals we want to achieve, England use to do this and lost to teams like Bangladesh
Let Sharjeel and Fakhar be the long term fix for T20s, let them stay for a bit. You will see if this creates a culture of the next breed of youngsters coming through wanting to bat fearlessly up front.But that's a lot of hard work, investment, pain etc.... nope PCB like everything else in the country prefers quick fix solutions. It doesn't necessarily need to resolve the issue, but simply needs to create an illusion that it's a possible solution. When it fails, jump to the next quick fix.
Long term planning and lasting solutions needs intelligence and discipline, both are severely lacking everywhere.
No, need to support youngsters like Huraira nowBring back Sharjeel? Debatable. What do you guys think?
Huraira is a test player? You want Huraira in t20 and odi?No, need to support youngsters like Huraira now
Huraira can be replacement for Sharjeel in ODIs and Test. Sharjeel was also playing Test cricket for Pakistan. in T20is we already have Fakhar Zaman in replacement of Sharjeel. And in case of Huraira, after playing 10 Tests he can imply his skills in T20is tooHuraira is a test player? You want Huraira in t20 and odi?
Sharjeel's replacement in odi and t20 should be shabzada farhan? Or any new upcoming batter that feels he can play as an opener according to modern standards? (Pakistan tried saim ayub but welp, that failed miserably)
Huraira's performance in odi and t20 have been nothing special, in fact in t20 it's been atrociousHuraira can be replacement for Sharjeel in ODIs and Test. Sharjeel was also playing Test cricket for Pakistan. in T20is we already have Fakhar Zaman in replacement of Sharjeel. And in case of Huraira, after playing 10 Tests he can imply his skills in T20is too
It’s the mindset broHuraira's performance in odi and t20 have been nothing special, in fact in t20 it's been atrocious
What was Sharjeel's performance in Legends league semi and final?It’s the mindset bro
Until we don’t get out of this “I would prefer Haseebullah, Hurraira, Shafique over Sharjeel” mindset…these guys will continue to go back to square 1 after every other game.
The right kind of player for the role. That’s what you need.
I don’t know, what was Hurraira’s T20 performance anywhere?What was Sharjeel's performance in Legends league semi and final?
But we are talking about Sharjeel here, Huraira is the future chapterI don’t know, what was Hurraira’s T20 performance anywhere?
Let’s see it happen first.But we are talking about Sharjeel here, Huraira is the future chapter
the only two bowlers who had any sort of international quality still left in them were Steyn and Tahir. The beautiful mindset Sharjeel struggled to even defend properly against them.What was Sharjeel's performance in Legends league semi and final?
You said "let's see it happen first" in reply to a youngster being selected ahead of Sharjeel.,,Let’s see it happen first.
-T20 performances
-Powerplay blitz
-40 ball tons
-lacing pacers (especially express pacers)
I will be the first one to tell you Huraira or any new chapter is the opener you need.
So he gets the nod ahead of Sharjeel because he is young but incompetent for the role?You said "let's see it happen first" in reply to a youngster being selected ahead of Sharjeel.,,
Mate come on...
Bro I don't mind people advocating for new blood, I agree.But we are talking about Sharjeel here, Huraira is the future chapter
What should they do now? Replace him with Azaan Awais? Or Abdul Rohan Bangalzai? Or Bismillah khan? Or Abdullah Shafique? Or Imam ul Haq?@Rana How much more hype does Sharjeel Khan need? He fell for a golden duck (0 off 1 ball) playing for Durban Wolves, bowled by Aftab Alam against Harare Bolts in the Zim Afro T10 2024
How about score 5x50s at 110 sr to get into the national side?Get fit and get his PSL spot back and perform and then we can consider him.
I m fine with his current fitness if he can score runs because I dont see any other fully fit players in the Pakistan team.... so why put him under this scrutiny when fitness is no longer a selection criterion for Pakistan?Get fit and get his PSL spot back and perform and then we can consider him.
The guy is 35 years old. He was unfit before the fixing, he’s even worse now and can’t pass the fitness test. The others may be bad but are much better bar Azam. Who got exposed due to fitness.I m fine with his current fitness if he can score runs because I dont see any other fully fit players in the Pakistan team.... so why put him under this scrutiny when fitness is no longer a selection criterion for Pakistan?
Yes age is definitely a concern now and I’m also not in favor of calling him back to the team. But as I said scrutinizing him only for his fitness isn’t fair because u know our fitness standars.The guy is 35 years old. He was unfit before the fixing, he’s even worse now and can’t pass the fitness test. The others may be bad but are much better bar Azam. Who got exposed due to fitness.
The players that perform at an old age are guys who take fitness seriously. He is 35 now.
He also hasn’t performed at the highest level in domestic. Failing PSL multiple times in a row and now dropped entirely. Failing in foreign leagues on top. It’s a shame he didn’t get to play this cup, we would have had a better picture as most of our national players are actually playing.
There’s just not much point bringing back a 35 year old, unfit fixer. I don’t know how many years you get even if he somehow performs. He had the opportunity to do well in PSL and earn the recall before but he didn’t do it. That is the main reason this guy is out of favour. We were ready to accept a fixer back. But he was expected to perform instantly given his age internationally and he didn’t. He didn’t even bother to fix his fitness, which if he was really desperate he should have been working on when banned for fixing.
All in all it’s time to move on from this guy. I hope he gets picked next PSL and deserves to, so he can really push for a place though.
But have little sympathy for a guy who fixed and doesn’t bother with fitness. I still can’t believe the man fixed after he saw what happened to the trio.
Sharjeel’s was worse. Amir was younger. Sharjeel already had warning multiple times after the trio. He must have sat through seminars against the dangers of fixing. He did it when they had access to PSL so was making good money on top of internationals. The trio didn’t have PSL.Yes age is definitely a concern now and I’m also not in favor of calling him back to the team. But as I said scrutinizing him only for his fitness isn’t fair because u know our fitness standars.
He has passed his prime but players like Sharjeel should have been given more chances as they play with their heart and without fear.
and for fixing bhai Amir also made a comeback and played cricket on his terms so why not Sharjeel who has also served the punishment.
On your title it says forced to defend?Misbah forced to defend Sharjeel selection, insists fitness not compromised
The left-handed opener has been picked for the T20I leg of the South Africa and Zimbabwe tourswww.espncricinfo.com
Dodge the bullet now, Misbah ul Haq is considered a punching bag for advocating Rizwan etc but here he shamelessly defended a crook and compromised on his principles and selected a convict.
@Rana, time for some retrospection
Have you even read what is written inside , Misbah compromised on sharjeel fitness and selected him, when asked tough questions Misbah had no choice and was forced to defendOn your title it says forced to defend?
If he's being forced while rizwan on the other hand is a genuine advocation then I don't even know what you're arguing?
On your title it says forced to defend?
If he's being forced while rizwan on the other hand is a genuine advocation then I don't even know what you're arguing?
Khena kya cha rahei ho?Why don't you want to see good quality batsmen / bowlers in the Pakistani team?
The rest of the world has produced Tendulkar/Ponting/Lara/Warne/McGrath/Sangakkara, you yourself have produced Imran/Wasim/Inzamam etc. - so why do you want no-name convict Sharjeel Khan so bad?
Misbah compromised on sharjeel fitness and selected himHave you even read what is written inside , Misbah compromised on sharjeel fitness and selected him, when asked tough questions Misbah had no choice and was forced to defend
Khena kya cha rahei ho?
Which batsmen from Pakistan do you see becoming Tendulkar, Pointing, Lara, Sanga?
Rizwan?
Firstly, don't say you yourself. I haven't produced anyone lol.To start with, "not Sharjeel". But you seem to want him bad - why?
Secondly answer what you claimed. From Pakistan which batsmen will become tenda, pointing, lara etc?