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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Ihsanullah - Another promising pacer from KPK

Erm ..on spin ..in July /August spin is actually quite handy in uk. Yes Lyon is good even Indian spinners last year were good. I think Abrar will be better than he is in Pakistan. Yasir shah was not bad. Salman and Nawaz can definitely hold a bat plus Noman and Sajid are far from ordinary.

Just a couple of good medium pacers plus an all rounder. I think there are options.

I think the pitches are a lot flatter these days and the Dukes ball hasn't been particularly helpful since the Bazball era(June 2022)


It's not been a happy hunting ground for spinners for some time.
 
Next ODI world cup is in South Africa and the T20 world cup is in NZ/Aus. (I can be wrong, this is from memory).

Our red ball team is cooked for England tests. Last test we played outside of Pak we had Mir Hamza and Abbas (they both found it hard to breach 130) and Khurram who cannot stay fit for 2 let alone 3 consecutive tests.

The white ball squad cannot have a functional attack outside of Asian conditions if it relies on spin. The mystery spinners won't both play at the same time because they do not even know which end of the bat to hold. This means that one of them will play along with Saim/Maaz/Shadab/Nawaz type fillers who are neither here nor there in terms of cricketing ability.

The white ball all rounder of choice is Fahim who is a nothing bowler and an even nothing batter. The backup is Abbas Afridi, Amir Jamal, Ahmed Daniyal, & Hussain Talat and they are all bang on mediocre in terms of bowling.

That leaves the spot for at max two out and out bowlers and one of them is Shaheen because he captains the ODI squad. The last place goes to one of the tried and tested failures in Rauf, Wasim, & Nasim. If you get someone like Ali Raza, Akif, or Ihsanullah then you are taking a risk as they all have considerable flaws & haven't really made a strong case to be selected. I say this as a fan of these three but they all aren't knocking at the door let even trying to put it down.

Pak Shaheens had a chance to play against England Lions and the skill gap in the bowling was immense & eye opening. English bowlers were faster, more consistent, & also able to sustain the pressure. An Akif for example would start the match with one good over and then become a spray gun in his second. Another guy Salman or something was just belted around with no respect & Daniyal etc. left no mark.

We have a systematic issue with our bowlers & not all blame can be thrown at PCB here. Abbas Afridi has visibly gotten heavier. You cannot look at Shaheen or Ali Raza and say they are premium athletes and get paid half a million dollars every year for playing cricket. Ali Raza played the PJL as a 14/15 year old and there is zero improvement in his frame. This frame cannot handle the stress of a season of international cricket.

Pakistan neither bat well against pace anymore and nor are they showing ability to bowl hostile pace for the up and coming challenges. The top 6 countries have 8-10 fast bowling options while we are struggling to put 3 in the team. NZ can supply their premium bowlers to both PSL and IPL and still have O Rourke, Tickner, & Nathan Ellis in their team facing BD. I can't even count how many 140+ bowlers are available to Australia, England, South Africa, & India. So many of these are not just spray guns but proper bowlers who also maintain their pace in test cricket.

Our bowling talent, & I'll go back to my original statement, is abysmal in comparison to rest of the world. Our white ball team is still mid table & can win against most teams barring India but if the current trajectory continues, we will be overtaken by mid level teams (BD, WI, Sri Lanka, & Zim)
Although I don’t disagree , your post is quite negative and has some gaps. There is a problem with bunching together formats.

I was not addressing white ball cricket simply because in a couple of weeks or so PSL will be finished. Then we have a test series in Bangladesh in may and and a test series in England in august. I’m simply referring to these two upcoming.

If Pak have an express pacer alongside a couple of medium pacers plus a couple of good spinners this is a handy squad to pick from. The question is who fits where. Given that we are discussing ihsanulla we should recognise his utility is alongside others not asa sole wicket taker in any format.

I will have to see the options in may tests but I do rate abbas, mohd Ali and Mir hamza. They just are not utilised properly. I do accept they barely touch 130. I do accept our boys are too fat, too thin , too injured, too inexperienced sometimes we even manage to have thin, fat, inexperienced and perennially injured yet playing in one bowler. SSA and Naseem for instance.

But let’s be positive we are not India or even New Zealand or Bangladesh.
 
Although I don’t disagree , your post is quite negative and has some gaps. There is a problem with bunching together formats.

I was not addressing white ball cricket simply because in a couple of weeks or so PSL will be finished. Then we have a test series in Bangladesh in may and and a test series in England in august. I’m simply referring to these two upcoming.

If Pak have an express pacer alongside a couple of medium pacers plus a couple of good spinners this is a handy squad to pick from. The question is who fits where. Given that we are discussing ihsanulla we should recognise his utility is alongside others not asa sole wicket taker in any format.

I will have to see the options in may tests but I do rate abbas, mohd Ali and Mir hamza. They just are not utilised properly. I do accept they barely touch 130. I do accept our boys are too fat, too thin , too injured, too inexperienced sometimes we even manage to have thin, fat, inexperienced and perennially injured yet playing in one bowler. SSA and Naseem for instance.

But let’s be positive we are not India or even New Zealand or Bangladesh.

There are no emotions in my post. It's not about being negative or positive. As a person I am an idealist and believe no matter what the situation is, there's nothing to worry as the only thing we control is effort. As long as we are putting in effort, nothing else matters.

My issue is that Pakistan is not putting in the necessary effort that is required. It's like the entire world is traveling at 100 kph and we are traveling at 80 kph. This is why we keep getting left behind and the distance continues to grow every year.

There is no test attack in the world that doesn't have proper fast bowlers except Pakistan.

There is a serious problem of balance in white ball cricket and we looked a mid-tier team in the recently concluded T20 world cup.

The ODI tournament we last participated was a Champions trophy and we were badly exposed.

The youngsters that we are producing start ok but disappear within a year after their first injury. Our bowlers in the past cleared that hurdle with sheer willpower and work ethic. Let's consider the case of our greats

Fazl: First true great but we don't really know much about him. His career ended in a whimper but when he was hot, he was hot.

Imran: Debuted as an inferior version of Fazl. Didn't have pace & had middling batting ability. Converted himself into a world beating fast bowler through an unparalleled work ethic. Had an injury at his cricketing peak but he endured it and came back stronger.

Wasim: Fought multiple injuries and even a debilitating health condition.

Waqar: Was fast and furious. Broke his back. Came back as a more than useful fast bowler who even continued to adapt till the end of his career.

Shoaib: Managed to play cricket with bad knees.

All of these evolved with the passage of time & managed to remain on top of their craft. The current generation isn't able to replicate it & that's the major issue.

Shaheen isn't a spring chicken. He's been playing age group cricket and already has accumulated almost a decade of playing experience. He has lost his pace and hasn't been able to learn the craft of bowling. He cannot set up batters, doesn't play domestic cricket, & is happy captaining Qalandars.

Akif has been my favorite for almost 4 years now. Look at his stats and see the lack of improvement. Been a fan of Ali Raza from the first ball that he bowled in PJL. He has a lot of potential but in terms of craft upgrade, there is none. He is also entering the phase of his career where a back injury is almost a normal occurrence so it is even more imperative for him to understand his growth. Ihsanullah is not even able to get a gig for Karachi. He was once a 150 kph fear factory.

A bowling attack is not built in a day. It requires years of meticulous nurturing and patience. When MRF academy was launched and Lillee started working with Indian fast bowlers, Pakistanis were debating the absence of meat in their diet that limited them from reaching high pace & making crass jokes. Now they almost have 4 or so bowlers who can touch 150 kph and even have pacers who can sustain their pace in test cricket.

We need to realize that winning is important in cricket. Our current trajectory has taken us to the island of irrelevance in test cricket. While we do okay against second tier teams in white ball cricket, the moment ICC tournaments come knocking, our team vanishes into thin air. Until and unless we start containing raw potential into excellence, our fortunes won't change.

Lastly, it's good that you have faith and belief in our bowling attack. My intention is not to make you feel bad about liking what we have. It's just that for me the story of potential to disaster has been repeated so many times that it is hard to not expect the same patterns and behaviors to repeat.
 
There are no emotions in my post. It's not about being negative or positive. As a person I am an idealist and believe no matter what the situation is, there's nothing to worry as the only thing we control is effort. As long as we are putting in effort, nothing else matters.

My issue is that Pakistan is not putting in the necessary effort that is required. It's like the entire world is traveling at 100 kph and we are traveling at 80 kph. This is why we keep getting left behind and the distance continues to grow every year.

There is no test attack in the world that doesn't have proper fast bowlers except Pakistan.

There is a serious problem of balance in white ball cricket and we looked a mid-tier team in the recently concluded T20 world cup.

The ODI tournament we last participated was a Champions trophy and we were badly exposed.

The youngsters that we are producing start ok but disappear within a year after their first injury. Our bowlers in the past cleared that hurdle with sheer willpower and work ethic. Let's consider the case of our greats

Fazl: First true great but we don't really know much about him. His career ended in a whimper but when he was hot, he was hot.

Imran: Debuted as an inferior version of Fazl. Didn't have pace & had middling batting ability. Converted himself into a world beating fast bowler through an unparalleled work ethic. Had an injury at his cricketing peak but he endured it and came back stronger.

Wasim: Fought multiple injuries and even a debilitating health condition.

Waqar: Was fast and furious. Broke his back. Came back as a more than useful fast bowler who even continued to adapt till the end of his career.

Shoaib: Managed to play cricket with bad knees.

All of these evolved with the passage of time & managed to remain on top of their craft. The current generation isn't able to replicate it & that's the major issue.

Shaheen isn't a spring chicken. He's been playing age group cricket and already has accumulated almost a decade of playing experience. He has lost his pace and hasn't been able to learn the craft of bowling. He cannot set up batters, doesn't play domestic cricket, & is happy captaining Qalandars.

Akif has been my favorite for almost 4 years now. Look at his stats and see the lack of improvement. Been a fan of Ali Raza from the first ball that he bowled in PJL. He has a lot of potential but in terms of craft upgrade, there is none. He is also entering the phase of his career where a back injury is almost a normal occurrence so it is even more imperative for him to understand his growth. Ihsanullah is not even able to get a gig for Karachi. He was once a 150 kph fear factory.

A bowling attack is not built in a day. It requires years of meticulous nurturing and patience. When MRF academy was launched and Lillee started working with Indian fast bowlers, Pakistanis were debating the absence of meat in their diet that limited them from reaching high pace & making crass jokes. Now they almost have 4 or so bowlers who can touch 150 kph and even have pacers who can sustain their pace in test cricket.

We need to realize that winning is important in cricket. Our current trajectory has taken us to the island of irrelevance in test cricket. While we do okay against second tier teams in white ball cricket, the moment ICC tournaments come knocking, our team vanishes into thin air. Until and unless we start containing raw potential into excellence, our fortunes won't change.

Lastly, it's good that you have faith and belief in our bowling attack. My intention is not to make you feel bad about liking what we have. It's just that for me the story of potential to disaster has been repeated so many times that it is hard to not expect the same patterns and behaviors to repeat.
I think I’m losing track of what this post is about. Thought it was about ihsanullah. Or his place in a squad.

Turns out this is just one of a multitude of posts about the demise of Pak cricket and fast bowling in particular. There is nothing to disagree with here.
General gist is. We had good bowlers 20-30 years ago who played despite injuries and shortcomings. Agree.

Now our current lot have fallen way behind international standards. Agree.

PCB can’t identify or develop fast bowlers (or any bowler or batsman) agree

The whole system is awful and almost amateur level from coaching to management to even broadcasting and general administration. Even the head of medical care is a charlatan. Ok agree.

Which bit in what you wrote were you expecting anybody to disagree?

Except perhaps we’ve been here many times before which is why we are Pak cricket fans. We have to be a little bit delusional. The cupboard is completely bare which is why we get excited when players come along and able to bowl above 150kph. They exist. That’s all.

What they do with that talent and can they translate it into results is all that matters even for a match or series.
 
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