[PICTURES/VIDEOS] James Anderson retires from Test cricket with 704 wickets to his name

[pratiktc]

Absolute legend and looking forward to seeing him next year back in England for as long as he can keep going.

 

[Mamoon]

He was pretty good in India earlier this year, but he looks out of place in Australia with England's overall performance adding to it. It was pretty inevitable. Think it's his last series.

There is absolutely no chance he will retire before surpassing Warne’s tally, which he will do so very easily unless he suffers a career-ending injury.

Considering his fitness and experience, he will remain a world class bowler in English/swinging conditions for a couple of more years at least.

Murali’s record is obviously a bridge too far.

 

[dravidthewall]

He should retire and give chance to youngesters. No point to hang in their for long time.He is not that much impact bowler now a days.

 

[Varun]

He (and England) need to get over the obsession that a pink-ball test will mean swinging around corners and batsmen struggling to get into double digits.

After Ahmedabad and Adelaide, they shouldn't fall for this mentality again.

 

[Gilly]

There is absolutely no chance he will retire before surpassing Warne’s tally, which he will do so very easily unless he suffers a career-ending injury.

Considering his fitness and experience, he will remain a world class bowler in English/swinging conditions for a couple of more years at least.

Murali’s record is obviously a bridge too far.

What bowler is not a world class bowler in English/swinging conditions.

 

[Mamoon]

What bowler is not a world class bowler in English/swinging conditions.

You don’t have to look beyond your own team. Starc averages 31 in England and 34 in South Africa. Clearly not good enough in English/swinging conditions.

 

[Mamoon]

He (and England) need to get over the obsession that a pink-ball test will mean swinging around corners and batsmen struggling to get into double digits.

After Ahmedabad and Adelaide, they shouldn't fall for this mentality again.

England’s best performance in the 2017-18 Ashes was in the D/N Test and Anderson took plenty of wickets. That obviously played a part.

 

[Robert]

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Considering his fitness and experience, he will remain a world class bowler in English/swinging conditions for a couple of more years at least.

Untrue - even against India, who do not play the moving ball well, he averaged 60 in the second innings this summer. He can’t bowl effectively for a whole match any more.

He should retire. Woakes is now a better bowler in England, and can bat too.

 

[Gilly]

You don’t have to look beyond your own team. Starc averages 31 in England and 34 in South Africa. Clearly not good enough in English/swinging conditions.

Nice cherry picking, what does Hazelwood, Cummins and a host of other fast bowlers average in England over the last 10 years, even some England bowlers outshine him.

 

[Mamoon]

Nice cherry picking, what does Hazelwood, Cummins and a host of other fast bowlers average in England over the last 10 years, even some England bowlers outshine him.

What “cherry-picking”? You asked me to name a bowler who is not world class in English/swinging conditions and I did. You clearly didn’t like the answer because you weren’t expecting it, so perhaps you should blame your question instead of blaming my so-called cherry-picking.

 

[Gilly]

What “cherry-picking”? You asked me to name a bowler who is not world class in English/swinging conditions and I did. You clearly didn’t like the answer because you weren’t expecting it, so perhaps you should blame your question instead of blaming my so-called cherry-picking.

You could look at the stats for fast bowlers in England, or you can avoid the obvious I don't care either way.

 

[Zaz]

Untrue - even against India, who do not play the moving ball well, he averaged 60 in the second innings this summer. He can’t bowl effectively for a whole match any more.

He should retire. Woakes is now a better bowler in England, and can bat too.

This, he clearly struggles to bowl at the same level throughout a test and cant play all the matches in a test series anymore

Theres no point in him being wheeled out Time to thank him for his services Like robert says hes blocking the development of other bowlers now

 

[Mamoon]

Untrue - even against India, who do not play the moving ball well, he averaged 60 in the second innings this summer. He can’t bowl effectively for a whole match any more.

He should retire. Woakes is now a better bowler in England, and can bat too.

Most matches are won/lost in the first two innings, so third and fourth innings performances are overrated. Be it batting or bowling. Players who turn up in the first innings are bigger match-winners and set up more wins.

Anderson set up England’s only win in that series when he ran through the Indian top-order at Leeds in the first innings.

Even during the second Test at Lord’s, Anderson took a 5-fer in the first innings to put England in a position where they could take a lead, and it certainly wasn’t his fault that the batsmen crumbled in the fourth innings.

You clearly don’t like Anderson, which is your bias against him has forced you to rate the like Hoggard and Caddick above him. It is ridiculous because no English cricketer, commentator, fan or a general follower would ever do that. That is pretty much blasphemous and a huge disservice to what Anderson has achieved for England in Test cricket.

600+ wickets and counting do not come free.

 

[Mamoon]

You could look at the stats for fast bowlers in England, or you can avoid the obvious I don't care either way.

I did look at the stats and I found that one of your premier fast bowlers and leaders of the attack finds it hard to do well in England, so perhaps you should appreciate the fact that wickets do not come free in England and you have to actually bowl well and get the ball in the right areas to get wickets.

 

[Gilly]

I did look at the stats and I found that one of your premier fast bowlers and leaders of the attack finds it hard to do well in England, so perhaps you should appreciate the fact that wickets do not come free in England and you have to actually bowl well and get the ball in the right areas to get wickets.

Thats nice, lets just ignore Hazelwood, McGrath, Harris, Cummins and M Marsh and if you add Khan, Abbas, Boult, Bumrah and Philander. I wont mention that Woakes and Robinson are both better than Anderson in England.

 

[Mamoon]

Thats nice, lets just ignore Hazelwood, McGrath, Harris, Cummins and M Marsh and if you add Khan, Abbas, Boult, Bumrah and Philander. I wont mention that Woakes and Robinson are both better than Anderson in England.

If you do not understand - or do not have the capacity to understand - that there is world of difference between doing well in England (or doing better than Anderson in comparison) over a handful Test matches compared to excelling in English conditions over 90+ Tests and performing against multiple generation of batsmen, then I don’t think we should be having this discussion. It would be better if you start watching cricket instead of just filtering stats without any context and understanding of the game.

Besides, no one would ever argue that McGrath wasn’t better than Anderson. The former is arguably the greatest of all time.

 

[Gilly]

If you do not understand - or do not have the capacity to understand - that there is world of difference between doing well in England (or doing better than Anderson in comparison) over a handful Test matches compared to excelling in English conditions over 90+ Tests and performing against multiple generation of batsmen, then I don’t think we should be having this discussion. It would be better if you start watching cricket instead of just filtering stats without any context and understanding of the game.

Besides, no one would ever argue that McGrath wasn’t better than Anderson. The former is arguably the greatest of all time.

You are right I dont have the capacity to understand how England is going to improve their bowling unit in England or abroad with Anderson in the team.

 

[Mamoon]

You are right I dont have the capacity to understand how England is going to improve their bowling unit in England or abroad with Anderson in the team.

Which has nothing to do with the original point of discussion (that you *******ized) that Anderson will not retire until he goes past Warne’s tally which he will managed to do so easily because he is still a top bowler in English conditions.

When you have done so much, you do deserve to play for stats at the end of your career. Warne, Muralitharan and Tendulkar all played for stats at the end of their careers.

Warne was chasing 700, Muralitharan was chasing 800 and Tendulkar was chasing 100 100s.

There is nothing wrong with Anderson playing for 700 wickets. If it hampers England from preparing a replacement, that is not his problem. He has earned the right to decide when to retire and the way he is still bowling in England, there is no reason for ECB to give him the marching orders.

Besides, Archer has or rather had the tools to do well in places like Australia and he looked like a spearhead but it remains to be seen if he can recover from his prolonged injuries.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Unless he gets that average below 25, he wont be an ATG. He has been great since mid 2010 and I considered this but at the end of the day, overall career average matters. If Walsh is not an ATG, neither is Anderson.

Having said that, theres no reason for him to retire since he still makes that spot on merit. England's pace stocks are overrated.

 

[Mamoon]

Unless he gets that average below 25, he wont be an ATG. He has been great since mid 2010 and I considered this but at the end of the day, overall career average matters. If Walsh is not an ATG, neither is Anderson.

Having said that, theres no reason for him to retire since he still makes that spot on merit. England's pace stocks are overrated.

So a bowler with 400 wickets at 24 is an ATG but a bowler with 700 wickets at 26 is not.

Incredible.

 

[Robert]

Most matches are won/lost in the first two innings, so third and fourth innings performances are overrated. Be it batting or bowling. Players who turn up in the first innings are bigger match-winners and set up more wins.

Anderson set up England’s only win in that series when he ran through the Indian top-order at Leeds in the first innings.

Even during the second Test at Lord’s, Anderson took a 5-fer in the first innings to put England in a position where they could take a lead, and it certainly wasn’t his fault that the batsmen crumbled in the fourth innings.

You clearly don’t like Anderson, which is your bias against him has forced you to rate the like Hoggard and Caddick above him. It is ridiculous because no English cricketer, commentator, fan or a general follower would ever do that. That is pretty much blasphemous and a huge disservice to what Anderson has achieved for England in Test cricket.

600+ wickets and counting do not come free.

It’s a two-innings game.

I don’t dislike him, I feel he is overrated by some here.

Every career has an end. Anderson has gone on a season too long already. The greats such as Lillee, Hadlee, Marshall got out on top, they didn’t carry on until they were passengers for half of every match. But a kind of blindness to reality means that Anderson keeps getting picked, instead of Mahmood who would do better on Australian wickets.

 

[Robert]

You are right I dont have the capacity to understand how England is going to improve their bowling unit in England or abroad with Anderson in the team.

I don’t either. I would pension Broad off too.

 

[Mamoon]

It’s a two-innings game.

I don’t dislike him, I feel he is overrated by some here.

Every career has an end. Anderson has gone on a season too long already. The greats such as Lillee, Hadlee, Marshall got out on top, they didn’t carry on until they were passengers for half of every match. But a kind of blindness to reality means that Anderson keeps getting picked, instead of Mahmood who would do better on Australian wickets.

If you bow out of the game on top, you are as selfish as someone who dragged his career for personal milestones.

If you are on top of your game, you should be out there playing for your country and winning matches instead of retiring so that you can protect your stats and legacy and have an inferior replacement play instead.

It is a two-innings game, but the weightage is not equal. A batting unit that can score 400+ in the first innings or a bowling unit that can dismiss the opposition for below 200 is highly unlikely to lose the match from that point.

On the contrary, you could pull off something remarkable in the third and fourth innings but that won’t be sufficient most of the time if the damage done in the first two innings was too much to overcome.

The first innings of both sides sets up a Test match. It puts a team in the driving seat after day 3 and more often than not, the team that is on top after day 3 is the one that is on top after day 5.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

So a bowler with 400 wickets at 24 is an ATG but a bowler with 700 wickets at 26 is not.

Incredible.

Who are you talking about. 400 wichets at 24 ?

 

[Zaz]

Longevity is a great thing but can easy turn into players playing well past their prime

He shouldve retired by last year with covid n everything This year has been a bridge too far for Mr Longevity

The management must make a call to move on from both anderson ans broad

 

[James]

Longevity is a great thing but can easy turn into players playing well past their prime

He shouldve retired by last year with covid n everything This year has been a bridge too far for Mr Longevity

The management must make a call to move on from both anderson ans broad

I think there is a reasonable chance of there being a clearout in January/February ahead of the Test leg of the West Indies tour — a 3 match series that starts in March. Anderson will be at a huge risk of getting moved on at this point and potentially Broad will also.

 

[KP From India]

Whom do you consider bigger matchwinner, Anderson or Kumble?

 

[mastimasti]

There is longevity and then there is hanging on past your sell by date. Jimmy is at that stage, which pains me to see it because he has been a great servant to English cricket but his many injuries, playing the odd match, missing others, playing in the most favourably home conditions etc, all while keeping younger bowlers out and not even winning matches (only 4 won in the last 2 years when he has played) hardly makes him indispensable.

Jimmy is now the past and must move on.

A test bowling line up of Archer, Woakes, Mahmood with Wood/Pope/Curran should be the present and future.

 

[Mamoon]

Who are you talking about. 400 wichets at 24 ?

I was giving a generic example, because you mentioned average of 25 as a cut-off point for ATG status.

Assuming an average of 24, what would be the minimum threshold for number of wickets when it comes to ATG status?

 

[Saj]

Since turning 35, James Anderson has taken 158 Test wickets at 21.38.

 

[AutoCrat]

What a player. Leading the attack at this age and for so long. One of greatest England has ever produced.

 

[Robert]

What a player. Leading the attack at this age and for so long. One of greatest England has ever produced.

He won’t be able to come back in the second innings, if there is nothing one….

 

[jnaveen1980]

Only fast bowlers to have bowled 6000 plus overs in Test cricket. He crossed that milestone in the last Test. Second best Broad 5100 overs.

 

[AutoCrat]

He won’t be able to come back in the second innings, if there is nothing one….

Such a shame that his effort today is made worthless by sub-standard batting. He brought England back into the game but not to be.

 

[The_KING]

Like the top bowler that he is, Jimmy led England’s fightback with his brilliant bowling yesterday. Too bad the incompetent batsmen let him down once again. I feel bad for him.

 

[pratiktc]

Jimmy Anderson is a genius and a gift for fans. That he is still expected to be his team's spearhead in his 40th year is simply unheard of for a pacer. Hope we can still enjoy his magic for 1-2 more seasons

 

[James]

639 Test wickets at the moment… 700 looking a long way away now, but 650 might be possible.

 

[Savak]

I think he should call it a day. He is only preventing England from developing alternatives.

 

[Chrish]

What a champion! Definitely a legend of the game..

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#55356;&#57332;&#56128;&#56423;&#56128;&#56418;&#56128;&#56421;&#56128;&#56430;&#56128;&#56423;&#56128;&#56447; James Anderson is now the second most-capped player in Test history, moving to 169 matches.<br><br>Only Sachin Tendulkar (200 matches) is ahead of the Englishman.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AUSvENG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AUSvENG</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WTC23?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WTC23</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ashes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ashes</a> <a href="https://t.co/e8bD0TNzjz">pic.twitter.com/e8bD0TNzjz</a></p>— ICC (@ICC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ICC/status/1478735621581680641?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[uppercut]

In the previous test at MCG he attempted a very difficult one handed diving catch off Path Cummins and he was airborne parallel to the ground and was pretty miffed that he couldn't hang on to it. Incredible commitment to his team. Respect !!

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Anderson bowls Joe Root <br><br>Big celebs from Jimmy for that wicket!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LVCountyChamp?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LVCountyChamp</a> <a href="https://t.co/y4FnvUAJ3u">pic.twitter.com/y4FnvUAJ3u</a></p>— LV= Insurance County Championship (@CountyChamp) <a href="https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/1525824938988515330?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No one celebrated Sachin's longevity? At least it should be done now after looking at Virat Kohli's performances these days.

 

[James]

<b>The Guardian

Jimmy Anderson admits he doubted Test future and considered retirement after West Indies snub</b>

• England’s leading wicket-taker was left out of Caribbean tour
• Injuries to fast bowlers could lead to dramatic recall against New Zealand

There was a moment during the winter when Jimmy Anderson considered his commitment to Test cricket.

It did not last long but, as England’s leading wicket-taker watched from afar while Joe Root’s team succumbed to a 1-0 series defeat in the West Indies, he wondered if his 19-year career had reached its end.

“I definitely questioned it,” he says. “But I think the longer time went on, the more I just, you know … I was still with the [Lancashire] lads doing pre-season training. I was still doing the gym work and wasn’t bored of it. I wanted to be there doing it. Irrelevant of what was going to happen in the summer I wanted to start the season with Lancashire.

“The [Test squad] has not been picked yet. So we’re just waiting to see what happens with that. If I get a Test call-up then brilliant, but at the minute I’m really enjoying playing cricket.

“I talked it through with my family as well and they saw it as I did, that I’ve got more to give to the game. Whether it’s for Lancashire or for England, I’ve still got the ability to take wickets and I want to keep doing that.”

Any residual doubts – along with Root’s stumps – were shattered on Sunday after Anderson delivered a reminder that he is still capable of dismissing the world’s best batters.

It was a wonderful ball, pitched on a good length around a fourth stump line before angling in with a hint of reverse swing.

Two splattered poles served as a testament to Anderson’s enduring potency.

“Obviously, the player matters because he was their best player,” Anderson says, resisting the temptation to insert greater meaning in bowling the captain who left him out of his final touring squad.

“We’ve not fallen out or anything. I spoke to him before he announced that he was stepping down. There’s still a huge amount of respect between the two of us, so there’s no animosity.”

Anderson, though, has indulged in watching the replay back several times.

And why not? It’s been hard work for bowlers in the County Championship this season.

Against dull balls and on flat pitches, sides have registered 20 scores above 500, up from 12 in the entire campaign last year.

Not that Anderson is complaining.

He welcomes the challenge and believes tough graft will serve England well as the team – currently bottom of the ICC Test Championship table – starts a new era under the stewardship of Brendon McCullum.

“It’s really exciting,” Anderson says of the New Zealander’s appointment as Test coach, unconcerned with his lack of experience coaching a red-ball team.

“He always wants the aggressive option. He certainly did when he played and when he captained. I’m sure he’ll bring that from his coaching point of view as well. With him and Ben [Stokes, England’s new captain], we’re never going to take a backward step.

“[Stokes] is a natural leader and the lads all look up to him in the dressing room. He’s the hardest trainer in the group and sets the example of how to be an international cricketer. He’ll be great.”

Stokes and Rob Key, the new director of cricket, have spoken glowingly of Anderson and his perennial partner Stuart Broad, who was also omitted from the tour to the Caribbean.

With a long list of injured fast bowlers – including his Lancashire teammate Saqib Mahmood, as well as Mark Wood, Jofra Archer and Olly Stone – Anderson looks strongly set for a much anticipated recall for the first Test against New Zealand next month.

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2...he-doubted-test-future-after-west-indies-snub

 

[The_KING]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Anderson bowls Joe Root &#55357;&#56384;<br><br>Big celebs from Jimmy for that wicket!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LVCountyChamp?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LVCountyChamp</a> <a href="https://t.co/y4FnvUAJ3u">pic.twitter.com/y4FnvUAJ3u</a></p>— LV= Insurance County Championship (@CountyChamp) <a href="https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/1525824938988515330?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Perfect revenge & a beauty by Jimmy. Root deserves it for dropping him.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">36 balls <br>5 maidens <br>4 Runs <br>2 Wickets ☝<br><br>Every ball from Jimmy's opening spell <a href="https://t.co/BNcyQSgZ2t">pic.twitter.com/BNcyQSgZ2t</a></p>— England Cricket (@englandcricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/englandcricket/status/1532340723797749760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[Colorblind Genius]

No one celebrated Sachin's longevity? At least it should be done now after looking at Virat Kohli's performances these days.

Sachin had both venues covered.

Longevity
High Performance graph line

Many great players usually could do only one of the two.

 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JIMMMY! &#55357;&#56845;<br><br>Scorecard/Clips: <a href="https://t.co/w7vTpJwrLP">https://t.co/w7vTpJwrLP</a><br><br>&#55356;&#57332;&#56128;&#56423;&#56128;&#56418;&#56128;&#56421;&#56128;&#56430;&#56128;&#56423;&#56128;&#56447; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvNZ</a> &#55356;&#56819;&#55356;&#56831; <a href="https://t.co/BLyPNdqwRp">pic.twitter.com/BLyPNdqwRp</a></p>— England Cricket (@englandcricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/englandcricket/status/1532678356117823494?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

39 years young and still going strong, whottaplayah...!

 

[James]

He’s just wonderful.

Continues to ripen like a vintage cellar wine.

 

[MenInG]

New head coach Brendon McCullum helped inspire England's first-Test victory over New Zealand with his positivity, says James Anderson.

England faced defeat when New Zealand closed day two with a 227-run lead.

"We could have been 'oh they've got a big partnership going, two guys nearing a hundred' and you could feel down about it," said Anderson.

"But when the coach sends you home by saying he's excited, you go to bed in a completely different mindset."

Anderson, speaking to the BBC's Tailenders podcast, says McCullum pointed to the quality of England's bowling attack on the second evening of the game, when New Zealand were 236-4 in their second innings.

He reminded the bowlers they had a new ball due in one over's time and suggested England could take New Zealand's last six second-innings wickets for "less than 50" - thus limiting any run-chase to less than 300.

That positive mindset also helped England on day one, when they squandered a promising position by falling to 116-7 after earlier bowling out the tourists for 132 at Lord's.

"That first day when we lost wickets, in years gone by we'd be too down about that and got worried and stressed," says Anderson, 39.

"But the message from the coach and captain was that we'd bowled brilliantly, fielded brilliantly, started great with the bat but in Test cricket you do have ups and downs.

"There are times where the opposition does fight back so let's just park it and come back tomorrow and try as best we can.

"There's been a good vibe. I have enjoyed the positivity."

BBC

 

[James]

Brendon is already having an impact on all of these guys, not just Jimmy. It’s visible.

 

[Robert]

Brendon is already having an impact on all of these guys, not just Jimmy. It’s visible.

Instead of the Silverwood suppression field

 

[MenInG]

The machine!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">⏺⏺⏺⏺⏺⏺⏺⏺⏺⏺☝<br><br>Match Centre: <a href="https://t.co/GJPwJC59J7">https://t.co/GJPwJC59J7</a><br><br> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvNZ</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/jimmy9?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jimmy9</a> <a href="https://t.co/NMKbdw6Jvz">pic.twitter.com/NMKbdw6Jvz</a></p>— England Cricket (@englandcricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/englandcricket/status/1535642534696783873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 11, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[James]

3 for 62 off a very economical 27 overs is a decent effort in these conditions tbh.

 

[DRsohail]

3 for 62 off a very economical 27 overs is a decent effort in these conditions tbh.

Do you think he can get 700 test wickets?

 

[Robert]

He’s just wonderful.

Continues to ripen like a vintage cellar wine.

Nah mate he’s corked. Average 65, s/r 176 in the second innings over the last 12 months. He can’t do it over the whole match any more.

 

[Zaz]

Nah mate he’s corked. Average 65, s/r 176 in the second innings over the last 12 months. He can’t do it over the whole match any more.

This His body and fitness arent upto it anymore, the stats show he cant replicate the same intensity or penetration in his bowling in the 2nd innings

Hes also v good at keeping it tight now but hes not gonna run through a lineup anymore home and in particularly away from home like the ashes showed He needs to be moved on

 

[James]

Do you think he can get 700 test wickets?

Needs 51 more, so I am unsure.

675 yes; 700 maybe.

 

[James]

Nah mate he’s corked. Average 65, s/r 176 in the second innings over the last 12 months. He can’t do it over the whole match any more.

This His body and fitness arent upto it anymore, the stats show he cant replicate the same intensity or penetration in his bowling in the 2nd innings

Hes also v good at keeping it tight now but hes not gonna run through a lineup anymore home and in particularly away from home like the ashes showed He needs to be moved on

With so many seam bowling injuries at the moment we don’t really have a choice but to select Jimmy.

Plus the ICC are quite progressive nowadays — perhaps they could bring in a “geriatric substitution policy” where in the 2nd innings, players of age 40 and above such as Anderson can be benched for a rest?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Not what he used to be till 3-4 years ago.
He doesn't take many 5 fers now especially in the second innings. Even in the first innings, he has become more of a 3 or max 4 wickets (on a good day) taker now.

He used to rip through the lineups with 5 fers frequently. I think the dip in sustained average speed of his spell is causing it. He can still amp it up to 140ks on occasion.

I think Broad when on song can still take plethora of wickets ie game changing spells.

 

[Ab Fan]

He was better than Broad in this game and over last 2 years as well as over last 5 years.

The only time Broad was better was around South Africa 2016 tour when Anderson looked a shadow of himself.

 

[Firebat]

With his wicket of Latham this morning, Anderson reached 650 (!) Test wickets.

 

[QalandarFan]

Not what he used to be till 3-4 years ago.
He doesn't take many 5 fers now especially in the second innings. Even in the first innings, he has become more of a 3 or max 4 wickets (on a good day) taker now.

He used to rip through the lineups with 5 fers frequently. I think the dip in sustained average speed of his spell is causing it. He can still amp it up to 140ks on occasion.

I think Broad when on song can still take plethora of wickets ie game changing spells.

James Anderson 5fers since 2020 - 4

Stuart Broad 5fers since 2020 - 2

 

[QalandarFan]

All this talk about Anderson only being good in England these days - last I checked he averaged 15 in India last year, 7 in Sri Lanka (all be it in just 1 match), and 23 in Australia

I would die for a Pakistani pacer to average 23 in Australia for us because last time two times we've toured Australia these are the averages of some of our notable pacers:

Shaheen Shah Afridi - 37
Wahab Riaz - 36
Mohammad Amir - 62
Rahat Ali - 57
Naseem Shah - 68
Mohammad Abbas - Didn't even take a wicket 0/100

Anderson is still amazing, just because he's 40 and you think he should retire because of his age is pure blasphemy.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

James Anderson 5fers since 2020 - 4

Stuart Broad 5fers since 2020 - 2

Interesting stats. Jimmy has played 26 tests compared to Broad's 19 but still he has done better than Broad. Jimmy does much much better than Broad in Asia though. Broad hasn't really done much in Asia as per my knowledge.

 

[Firebat]

A 32nd Test 5-fer for Anderson.

39 years of age, once again the only English bowler who showed up.

 

[James]

Brilliant effort from him again. What on earth are we doing to go when he finally retires lol

 

[TheSultan]

I shudder to think what will happen to England’s bowling when Jimmy retires.

It’s their own fault too. Broad is missing in action most of the time and once in a while he produces the goods. He’s been given too long a rope over the years. No other bowlers have been allowed to gain any experience.

I remember Bob Willis retired when Michael Holding of all people took him to the cleaners in 1984 3rd or 4th test.

It’s time for Broad to do the same after his beating from an even worse tailender in Bumrah

 

[Saj]

Most times 5 wickets in a Test innings:

Murali 67
Shane Warne 37
Richard Hadlee 36
Anil Kumble 35
Rangana Herath 34
James Anderson 32

 

[TheSultan]

Most times 5 wickets in a Test innings:

Murali 67
Shane Warne 37
Richard Hadlee 36
Anil Kumble 35
Rangana Herath 34
James Anderson 32

That is an insane stat from Murali. Everyone likes to put an asterisk on his career, but for me GOAT spinner

 

[happydavy]

That is an insane stat from Murali. Everyone likes to put an asterisk on his career, but for me GOAT spinner

On stats no one can compete with Murali, but that asterisk is quite reasonable IMO.

 

[happydavy]

Jimmy is an absolute great.

 

[Ab Fan]

Anderson is true great of the game while Broad is just a bridesmaid.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Remember that even till 2016-17 people would even question whether he deserved a legend status which was always ridiculous.

Glad such nonsense talk is largely over now

 

[Cricfan4eva]

James Anderson is to bowling what Sachin Tendulkar is to batting. Genius and a standout just for their sheer longevity.

 

[therealAB]

That is an insane stat from Murali. Everyone likes to put an asterisk on his career, but for me GOAT spinner

Murali was clearly brilliant, but he was only allowed that figure due to comfortable home conditions and poor bowling support. Not making a case for Warne being better btw - very happy to call Murali the greatest

 

[therealAB]

All this talk about Anderson only being good in England these days - last I checked he averaged 15 in India last year, 7 in Sri Lanka (all be it in just 1 match), and 23 in Australia

I would die for a Pakistani pacer to average 23 in Australia for us because last time two times we've toured Australia these are the averages of some of our notable pacers:

Shaheen Shah Afridi - 37
Wahab Riaz - 36
Mohammad Amir - 62
Rahat Ali - 57
Naseem Shah - 68
Mohammad Abbas - Didn't even take a wicket 0/100

Anderson is still amazing, just because he's 40 and you think he should retire because of his age is pure blasphemy.

Just keep in mind with Jimmy that in these 3 away series he has taken 22 wickets in 7 games (16 in 6 removing minnows SL) - a fairly average wpm. He takes wickets with the new ball then he keeps it dry with the old ball. Still a valuable bowler, but not at a true ATG level

 

[MP2011]

I'd pick Donald ahead of Jimmy in my XI. Sad for him, many of his best years in cricket were lost due to apartheid.

Like Jimmy, Donald had such a great
and fluent bowling action.

 

[therealAB]

I'd pick Donald ahead of Jimmy in my XI. Sad for him, many of his best years in cricket were lost due to apartheid.

Like Jimmy, Donald had such a great
and fluent bowling action.

Yep Donald definitely part of the etc

I'd say the list of ATG fast bowlers is:

Ambrose
Roberts
Holding
Marshall
Walsh

Wasim
Waqar
Imran

Lillee
DK
Davidson
Lindwall

Trueman

Hadlee

Donald
Pollock
Steyn
Proctor

Bumrah, Rabada and Cummins to likely join this list