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In November 2019, Virat Kohli had 27 Test hundreds and Joe Root had 16.
In July 2022, Virat Kohli has 27 Test hundreds and Joe Root has 28.
Ha ha ha. Wow
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In November 2019, Virat Kohli had 27 Test hundreds and Joe Root had 16.
In July 2022, Virat Kohli has 27 Test hundreds and Joe Root has 28.
In November 2019, Virat Kohli had 27 Test hundreds and Joe Root had 16.
In July 2022, Virat Kohli has 27 Test hundreds and Joe Root has 28.
Wow! Great stats these and also show where do the priorities of these 2 lie especially considering that Kohli is still undroppable despite this stat.In November 2019, Virat Kohli had 27 Test hundreds and Joe Root had 16.
In July 2022, Virat Kohli has 27 Test hundreds and Joe Root has 28.
Smith dominated Ashwin in 2017 - one of the great, great away series and got dismissed by Ashwin twice ,once for 111 and once on the worlds worst cricket pitch. Ashwin was also playing in 14/15 and he is slightly better now but not by a huge amount for me. Smith didn't really get out to Bumrah much in 2020/21 series so I'd say that his poorer performance is more his declining than getting figured out.
Anyway the main issue with Root is his poor performance in Australia - no match winning performances or even hundreds in 14 tests there. Also I'd say his series in India is a bit overrated and in no way comparable to the great ones of Smith, Cook, Hayden and others - he had a big double in the first test then no more 50+ for the rest of the series.
Another dominant series in India would clearly be fantastic but Hayden's mediocre 2004 isn't really held against him. On a simialr note I feel Smith has a long way to fall before being reasonably compared with the Roots/Pontings/Dravids of the world
Smith has started to decline and his results will be less good
The worlds best batsman and the best batsman that England has ever produced.
BUT BUT BUT [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] will tell us that Joe Root isn't fit to tie Kane Williamson's shoelaces.
If he has any shred of dignity and credibility, he'll admit that he got this one horribly wrong.
What a knock by Joe Root. One for the ages. Didn't just blunt an excellent Indian bowling attack but ran them ragged. They simply had no answers to his and Bairstow's onslaught.
The worlds best batsman and the best batsman that England has ever produced.
Pre WW1 Hobbs was a level above his peers no batsmen has been apart from Bradman. Most statistical analysis has Hobbs no 2 after Bradman - Hobbs is clearly better than Root, and I think a definite tier above everybody but:
Tendulkar
Sobers
Smith
Lara
Viv
Hutton
Bradman
In my opinion
After a masterful massive knock in the English record run chase, how are those untied shoelaces going?
I would put Gavaskar there too. Dominated the greatest bowling attack in cricket history for nearly 2 decades. I personally consider Gavaskar better than Tendulkar in tests
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How about this Ingerlund ATG XI?
Hobbs
Hutton (c)
Barrington
Hammond
Root
Ames (w)
Botham
Laker
Trueman
Statham
Willis
The young Botham was basically Anderson with the ball and a much better batter and catcher. On a spin wicket, drop Goose and bring in Underwood.
Barnes a lock in an England XI for me
Think that batting line up is really lacking compared to most all time XI's. Ames did poorly vs Australia, the only good opposition at the time, and Botham was a good number batsmen but compared to the 6-7-8 of the other nations Laker makes the team quite weak for me:
WI: Sobers, Dujon, Marshall
Aus: Miller, Gilchrist, Davidson/Warne
Ind: x, Dhoni, Dev. x can be a batsman if Mankad opens/Jadeja or something. Also Engineer can open
SA: Faulkner, Lindsay, Proctor, Pollock
Pak: Mohammad, Imran, Wasim (Bari at 9)
NZ: Cairns, Watling, Hadlee, Vettori
NZ and SA clearly all rounder heaven.
I'd say an England team of:
Hobbs
Hutton
Barrington
Root
Hammond
Compton
Knott
Botham
Barnes
Trueman
Laker
has sufficient bowling; Hammond was fairly decent and Botham was a proper bowler
I'd say an England team of:
Hobbs
Hutton
Barrington
Root
Hammond
Compton
Knott
Botham
Barnes
Trueman
Laker
has sufficient bowling; Hammond was fairly decent and Botham was a proper bowler
Quite harsh on Suttcliffe missing out, dude averaged 63.7 in Australia
Knott had four test hundreds, Botham fourteen so Botham should be #7.
Compo was arguably a HTB.
Barnes - fair enough.
Hammond was arguably as good a bowler as Sobers and Kallis, though quick bowlers of his era didn’t carry on for every long.
Yes that’s definitely fair with Knott, Botham. Compton could be replaced with May, I’m not too bothered with that
Takes a wicket!
Looks like a totally different players after being relieved from captaincy.
Got his 29th Test hundred today - no signs of slowing down and shows you how the burden of captaincy can affect players. If only Babar and PCB could see that...
Looks like a totally different players after being relieved from captaincy.
His captaincy did not hurt his batting form. He was a run machine in 2021. In fact his batting form suffered more under Stokes & McCullum because of their aggressive style.
In a sense the early wickets falling this time helped him, because he was back in the familiar “Old England position” of steadily getting himself in on a greentop after the top order had failed and then going on to accumulate his runs in signature fashion.
When it comes to playing swing/seam, it is hard to name 4-5 better batsman than Root in history. He has achieved technical perfection when it comes to playing lateral movement.
Yeah because Williamson doesn't get to play 5 tests against India at home right? Or maybe its because Williamson went on a 2 year run where he was only scoring half centuries, right? What was that, if not stat-padding?
The only joke here is you thinking Root is even capable of tying Williamson's shoelaces which he is not. Williamson is not only a more technically sound and more complete batter, but he is also a more complete cricketer. A tactically astute and sharp captain who always gets the best out of his side and and can step-up and play clutch knocks for his side in any format.
Any fool can look at a couple of stats and say that Williamson is a "minnow-basher", but if that fool bothered to look more closely, they would know that Williamson has only averaged under 50 once since 2014. I guess all those tests over an 8 year period were against minnows, right? He also averages 58 as captain.
I also find it funny that you are calling Williamson a minnow-basher, because I'm guessing you saw Root's numbers against Ireland and Bangladesh and decided that you would be safe calling him that. Since Root isn't even a minnow-basher.
He was a run machine in the last 15 months of his captaincy. In fact he has struggled more under Stokes and McCullum because of trying to play very aggressively and trying risky shots.
Smith and Root are in another category in terms of being test batters of their generation. Smith has started to show signs of decline meanwhile Root seems to be going from strength to strength the more he plays (a bit like Sangakkara)
Root's batting basics are good. Guys like him won't have prolonged slump captaincy or not.
Root is a proper Test batter. Textbook player.
Smith is funky. I think he got benefited because bowling quality worldwide declined when he was at peak.
Very rare for a batsman to average 50 almost everywhere except one country. 35 in Australia which in itself is not terrible. 48.19 in NZ which will get better. Would have been better but for his reverse sweeps. Definitely most versatile player of this generation. He had massive conversion issues. Even now conversion looks average. 29 centuries 56 fifties. He has time to reverse somewhat.
Very rare for a batsman to average 50 almost everywhere except one country. 35 in Australia which in itself is not terrible. 48.19 in NZ which will get better. Would have been better but for his reverse sweeps. Definitely most versatile player of this generation. He had massive conversion issues. Even now conversion looks average. 29 centuries 56 fifties. He has time to reverse somewhat.
I don't think so. He dominated India in 2017 in their home. Scored against a peak Steyn, Philander and Morkel in 2014. Smith has found a way to succeed everywhere all the time. It's just that his body has started to slow down in last couple of years while Root still looks fresh and hungry.
Smith's namesake Graeme didn't have a textbook technique either yet he scored runs all over the world that too as an opener.
Smith isn't a technique player - I think he relies on brilliant eyesight. He's 33 so possibly he has lost some of that.
Smith isn't a technique player - I think he relies on brilliant eyesight. He's 33 so possibly he has lost some of that.
Smith's technique can't be taught to youngsters but Root's technique is simply textbook.
Root can play even at the age of 40 and is likely to do well. Can't say about Smith (at the age of 40).
It is because Root is a proper batter while Smith relies on hand-eye coordination.
Yes but whatever he is, he has been enormously successful.
Joe still has the schoolboy look and exuberance while Smith, Kane and Kohli all three have visibly looked a little weary than they were 4-5 years back. Genetics probably have a role in that too.
Yes but whatever he is, he has been enormously successful.
Joe still has the schoolboy look and exuberance while Smith, Kane and Kohli all three have visibly looked a little weary than they were 4-5 years back. Genetics probably have a role in that too.
As much as i diss Kohli, you have to consider Kohli plays all 3 formats and IPl regularly. Root has no such distractions. He has been a Test/ODI player for England. Last year there were hardly any ODIs. So he is like to be fresh.
As much as i diss Kohli, you have to consider Kohli plays all 3 formats and IPl regularly. Root has no such distractions. He has been a Test/ODI player for England. Last year there were hardly any ODIs. So he is like to be fresh.
I think Joe has gone a new lease of life since losing the armband.
The games Root was involved in last year had 100 days of scheduled cricket compared to Kohli's 57 (counting a T20 as a 'day').
That's where workload management does wonders to a player's wellbeing and potentially helping them play for more years with sustained brilliance.
India and England play too much cricket.
What armband? Can you explain? I didn't get it lol.