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In November 2019, Virat Kohli had 27 Test hundreds and Joe Root had 16.

In July 2022, Virat Kohli has 27 Test hundreds and Joe Root has 28.
Wow! Great stats these and also show where do the priorities of these 2 lie especially considering that Kohli is still undroppable despite this stat.
 
BUT BUT BUT [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] will tell us that Joe Root isn't fit to tie Kane Williamson's shoelaces. :))

If he has any shred of dignity and credibility, he'll admit that he got this one horribly wrong.
 
Smith dominated Ashwin in 2017 - one of the great, great away series and got dismissed by Ashwin twice ,once for 111 and once on the worlds worst cricket pitch. Ashwin was also playing in 14/15 and he is slightly better now but not by a huge amount for me. Smith didn't really get out to Bumrah much in 2020/21 series so I'd say that his poorer performance is more his declining than getting figured out.

Anyway the main issue with Root is his poor performance in Australia - no match winning performances or even hundreds in 14 tests there. Also I'd say his series in India is a bit overrated and in no way comparable to the great ones of Smith, Cook, Hayden and others - he had a big double in the first test then no more 50+ for the rest of the series.

Another dominant series in India would clearly be fantastic but Hayden's mediocre 2004 isn't really held against him. On a simialr note I feel Smith has a long way to fall before being reasonably compared with the Roots/Pontings/Dravids of the world

Smith has started to decline and his results will be less good

Ashwin had some fitness issues in that 2017 series which is why he bowled pretty poorly and failed in that series. He struggled against everyone there. Jadeja was brilliant in that series.
 
Joe Root's summer:

8 Test innings
569 runs @ 113.80
SR: 73.51
3 hundreds
 
The worlds best batsman and the best batsman that England has ever produced.

Prewar monster scorers Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Hammond, Hutton and Compton might disagree…..

Among postwar batters there is Ken Barrington who averaged 58.

I’d say 66 is the best in the last fifty years though, edging Pietersen.
 
England openers Alex Lees and Zak Crawley made a strong start to the team's record run chase of 378 against India, but the loss of three wickets for just two runs saw Root and Jonny Bairstow come together with the score at 109-3.

After steadily negotiating the early stages of their innings, the Yorkshire duo put the Indian bowlers to the sword, keeping the run-rate at almost five runs an over as they sealed what eventually became a supremely comfortable victory.

Root's performance, which saw him bring up his 28th Test century, continued a remarkable run of form that has seen him reach three figures 11 times since the start of 2021.

"I feel like I'm playing some nice cricket," said Root, who was named player of the series after adding to the three centuries he struck in the first four matches of the contest last summer

"I'm really enjoying my batting. When you're enjoying it, it makes things a lot easier. You turn up to practice and you're excited, and you get out to the middle and you're up for the contest.

"I feel in a really good place and I just need to keep working hard at making sure I maintain that. I think one thing that's worked really well for me is just being at peace with one mode of dismissal every now and then and accepting that it's a game of failure, batting, and you're not going to get it right every time.

"But you get in, you get going, you've got to really make it count and hopefully I can keep pushing that on."

SKY
 
What a knock by Joe Root. One for the ages. Didn't just blunt an excellent Indian bowling attack but ran them ragged. They simply had no answers to his and Bairstow's onslaught.
 
BUT BUT BUT [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] will tell us that Joe Root isn't fit to tie Kane Williamson's shoelaces. :))

If he has any shred of dignity and credibility, he'll admit that he got this one horribly wrong.

You should be the last one to lecture others about dignity and credibility when its patently obvious that you have neither.
 
From latest ICC rankings release:

Joe Root continues to hail supreme at the top of the rankings and an unbeaten century (142*) in England's record chase at Edgbaston sees him attain his highest rating points (923).

It also puts the former England captain in the elite list of top 20 highest-rated batters in ICC Rankings history.
 
What a knock by Joe Root. One for the ages. Didn't just blunt an excellent Indian bowling attack but ran them ragged. They simply had no answers to his and Bairstow's onslaught.

After a masterful massive knock in the English record run chase, how are those untied shoelaces going?
 
The worlds best batsman and the best batsman that England has ever produced.

Pre WW1 Hobbs was a level above his peers no batsmen has been apart from Bradman. Most statistical analysis has Hobbs no 2 after Bradman - Hobbs is clearly better than Root, and I think a definite tier above everybody but:
Tendulkar
Sobers
Smith
Lara
Viv
Hutton
Bradman

In my opinion
 
Pre WW1 Hobbs was a level above his peers no batsmen has been apart from Bradman. Most statistical analysis has Hobbs no 2 after Bradman - Hobbs is clearly better than Root, and I think a definite tier above everybody but:
Tendulkar
Sobers
Smith
Lara
Viv
Hutton
Bradman

In my opinion

I would put Gavaskar there too. Dominated the greatest bowling attack in cricket history for nearly 2 decades. I personally consider Gavaskar better than Tendulkar in tests
 
After a masterful massive knock in the English record run chase, how are those untied shoelaces going?

:)))

How about this Ingerlund ATG XI?

Hobbs
Hutton (c)
Barrington
Hammond
Root
Ames (w)
Botham
Laker
Trueman
Statham
Willis

The young Botham was basically Anderson with the ball and a much better batter and catcher. On a spin wicket, drop Goose and bring in Underwood.
 
I would put Gavaskar there too. Dominated the greatest bowling attack in cricket history for nearly 2 decades. I personally consider Gavaskar better than Tendulkar in tests

Definitely didn’t dominate them. If you take out the series pre WI dominance + poor attack due to WSC his stats are okay good but not any better than Chappell and some others. Also averaged <40 away for basically the latter half of his career, and had a number of bad series against peak fast bowlers such as Lillee and Hadlee.

Still the 3rd best opener of all time and a great, great player but struggle to but him conclusively ahead of Chappell, Headley and maybe a few others.

Don’t feel that he had as complete a record vs the top bowlers of his time as Sachin

Also as the opener thing will be brought up, the subcontinent isn’t really that bad for openers - this is more a point in favour for openers in other countries; clearly pace bowlers who succeeded in Indian conditions should be marked up
 
:)))

How about this Ingerlund ATG XI?

Hobbs
Hutton (c)
Barrington
Hammond
Root
Ames (w)
Botham
Laker
Trueman
Statham
Willis

The young Botham was basically Anderson with the ball and a much better batter and catcher. On a spin wicket, drop Goose and bring in Underwood.

Barnes a lock in an England XI for me

Think that batting line up is really lacking compared to most all time XI's. Ames did poorly vs Australia, the only good opposition at the time, and Botham was a good number batsmen but compared to the 6-7-8 of the other nations Laker makes the team quite weak for me:

WI: Sobers, Dujon, Marshall
Aus: Miller, Gilchrist, Davidson/Warne
Ind: x, Dhoni, Dev. x can be a batsman if Mankad opens/Jadeja or something. Also Engineer can open
SA: Faulkner, Lindsay, Proctor, Pollock
Pak: Mohammad, Imran, Wasim (Bari at 9)
NZ: Cairns, Watling, Hadlee, Vettori

NZ and SA clearly all rounder heaven.

I'd say an England team of:

Hobbs
Hutton
Barrington
Root
Hammond
Compton
Knott
Botham
Barnes
Trueman
Laker

has sufficient bowling; Hammond was fairly decent and Botham was a proper bowler
 
Barnes a lock in an England XI for me

Think that batting line up is really lacking compared to most all time XI's. Ames did poorly vs Australia, the only good opposition at the time, and Botham was a good number batsmen but compared to the 6-7-8 of the other nations Laker makes the team quite weak for me:

WI: Sobers, Dujon, Marshall
Aus: Miller, Gilchrist, Davidson/Warne
Ind: x, Dhoni, Dev. x can be a batsman if Mankad opens/Jadeja or something. Also Engineer can open
SA: Faulkner, Lindsay, Proctor, Pollock
Pak: Mohammad, Imran, Wasim (Bari at 9)
NZ: Cairns, Watling, Hadlee, Vettori

NZ and SA clearly all rounder heaven.

I'd say an England team of:

Hobbs
Hutton
Barrington
Root
Hammond
Compton
Knott
Botham
Barnes
Trueman
Laker

has sufficient bowling; Hammond was fairly decent and Botham was a proper bowler

Quite harsh on Suttcliffe missing out, dude averaged 63.7 in Australia
 
I'd say an England team of:

Hobbs
Hutton
Barrington
Root
Hammond
Compton
Knott
Botham
Barnes
Trueman
Laker

has sufficient bowling; Hammond was fairly decent and Botham was a proper bowler

Knott had four test hundreds, Botham fourteen so Botham should be #7.

Compo was arguably a HTB.

Barnes - fair enough.

Hammond was arguably as good a bowler as Sobers and Kallis, though quick bowlers of his era didn’t carry on for every long.
 
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Quite harsh on Suttcliffe missing out, dude averaged 63.7 in Australia

Where does he bat - Barrington averages something obscene at 3 and you don’t want the order to get too sour with Sutcliffe, Barrington and post war Hutton all being quite defensive
 
Knott had four test hundreds, Botham fourteen so Botham should be #7.

Compo was arguably a HTB.

Barnes - fair enough.

Hammond was arguably as good a bowler as Sobers and Kallis, though quick bowlers of his era didn’t carry on for every long.

Yes that’s definitely fair with Knott, Botham. Compton could be replaced with May, I’m not too bothered with that
 
Yes that’s definitely fair with Knott, Botham. Compton could be replaced with May, I’m not too bothered with that

PBH May was arguably the greatest pressure-player England ever had.
 
He’s building a white ball innings in an England shirt this summer for the first time. 43 off 45 unbeaten so far. Let’s see how he does…
 
86 (77), really good effort from him tonight in a difficult situation- no support from the middle order unfortunately.
 
Mike Atherton in his latest article in The Times

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Yet another 50 for Joe Root in Test cricket.

What a player.
 
Batting left handed for a couple of balls to give himself more of a challenge. Lol
 
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Talking to the presser at day end, Collingwood revealed the tactic behind Root's approach.

“Well he does, sometimes (on practicing left-handed batting in the nets). I think he bats better left-handed than I did right handed. He has obviously got some skill if you can go out and bat left-handed in a Test match. We just try and find ways to go against convention and put the opposition under pressure. If leg-spinners go into the rough and to counter that he can bat left-handed then go for it,” he said.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...tactic-vs-pakistan-watch-101670157328207.html
 
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Played another significant role in an England Test win here. He suits being rank-and-file so much more than being the captain.
 
Joe was superb against New Zealand and India earlier this year, but he is having a quiet couple of series since then. Doing his best but looks to have lost a bit of form and fluency.
 
Joe Root after Faheem Ashraf wicket:

50 Test wickets
10,629 Test runs
 
Joe Root says his second-innings half-century in England's first-Test defeat of New Zealand has given him a "kick up the backside".

The former captain has gone seven Tests without making a hundred, his longest spell without a ton in two years.

He looked fluent in his 57 made from 62 balls in Mount Maunganui, as England won by 267 runs.

"I've not performed for a little while, so I had the bit between my teeth in the second innings," said Root.

"It's given me a little sharpener, a kick up the backside, that this is how I need to play my cricket, how I can be consistently useful in this group."

From the beginning of 2021 to the middle of last summer, Root was in form unmatched by any other batter on the planet, scoring 11 hundreds in 24 Tests and averaging 61.

His batting form remained strong despite the unravelling of his captaincy, with England winning only one of his last 17 Tests in charge.

Root was replaced by Ben Stokes in May last year and his form initially remained strong, with three hundreds in four Tests after giving up the captaincy.

But as England have gone from strength to strength under Stokes - the win at the Bay Oval was their 10th in 11 matches - Root's form has regressed.

The 32-year-old believes it will "take some time" for him to fully adjust to England's ultra-aggressive style under Stokes.

"There was the initial relief of coming out of the captaincy and now I'm just trying to find out what my role is within this team," said Root.

"I've maybe got a bit caught up in it, but I'm not too far away from what's given me success. I didn't feel I tried to force it in the second innings and when I'm playing well that's one of my strengths: I can score freely and I can rotate the strike.

"I felt like I found a really good tempo in how I wanted to bat. "

Under the leadership of Stokes and Brendon McCullum, England's swashbuckling batting has seen Root regularly reverse-scoop pace bowlers.

In the first innings at Mount Maunganui he executed the stroke against left-armer Neil Wagner and picked up a boundary. When he attempted the stroke again, he was caught at slip to be dismissed for 14.

But the Yorkshire player says that setback will not stop him from attempting the shot again in Test cricket.

"You take calculated risks," said Root. "I've got where I've got to by trusting my gut. It just didn't quite work out.

"It's not going to stop me playing it. It's now part of my Test game and I'll continue to utilise it when it's the right time."

England will look to win the series in the second and final Test in Wellington, which begins on Friday (22:00 GMT Thursday).

The tourists are aiming for a seventh successive Test win, a feat not achieved by England since Michael Vaughan's team won eight in a row in 2004.

New Zealand have recalled pace bowler Matt Henry, who missed the first Test because of the birth of his first child. Fellow seamer Jacob Duffy and leg-spinner Ish Sodhi have been released from the Black Caps' squad.

BBC
 
Got his 29th Test hundred today - no signs of slowing down and shows you how the burden of captaincy can effect players. If only Babar and PCB could see that...
 
Looks like a totally different players after being relieved from captaincy.
 
Looks like a totally different players after being relieved from captaincy.

He was a run machine in the last 15 months of his captaincy. In fact he has struggled more under Stokes and McCullum because of trying to play very aggressively and trying risky shots.
 
Got his 29th Test hundred today - no signs of slowing down and shows you how the burden of captaincy can affect players. If only Babar and PCB could see that...

His captaincy did not hurt his batting form. He was a run machine in 2021. In fact his batting form suffered more under Stokes & McCullum because of their aggressive style.
 
Looks like a totally different players after being relieved from captaincy.

He often piled runs on as skipper. Average 46 with 14 test hundreds. I don’t see any correlation to be honest.
 
His captaincy did not hurt his batting form. He was a run machine in 2021. In fact his batting form suffered more under Stokes & McCullum because of their aggressive style.

He averages 57 under Stokes with four centuries in 12 matches.
 
Truly delighted for him.
An exceptional player, gorgeous technique and an overall decent guy — couldn’t have happened to a nicer man.

Apart from a little blip when he was trying to play like Barstow and Brook, he really has been wonderfully consistent.

Moreover, he has been wholeheartedly supportive of the new philosophy in the team, given his full support to the new regime, even though it was a clear departure with his reign.
Class act.
 
root has really left rest of fab 4 into dust over last few years , an ATG batmsen without a shadow of a doubt.
 
Another sterling Test knock. Just needed to go back and play his normal way. In a sense the early wickets falling this time helped him, because he was back in the familiar “Old England position” of steadily getting himself in on a greentop after the top order had failed and then going on to accumulate his runs in signature fashion.
 
He has a solid backfoot technique which enabled him to sustain his form far long time. HE also adapts himself better bit like Smith. His peak has not ended yet. He is still going strong.
 
In a sense the early wickets falling this time helped him, because he was back in the familiar “Old England position” of steadily getting himself in on a greentop after the top order had failed and then going on to accumulate his runs in signature fashion.

Interesting point!
 
When it comes to playing swing/seam, it is hard to name 4-5 better batsman than Root in history. He has achieved technical perfection when it comes to playing lateral movement.
 
When it comes to playing swing/seam, it is hard to name 4-5 better batsman than Root in history. He has achieved technical perfection when it comes to playing lateral movement.

I completely agree. I've never seen a better batsman when it comes to getting through the initial phase of "getting your eye in" and this is evident by his conversion rate from 0 to 50.

If he had a better conversion rate of 50 to 100 he would have an average on par (if not better) than Steve Smith.
 
Yeah because Williamson doesn't get to play 5 tests against India at home right? Or maybe its because Williamson went on a 2 year run where he was only scoring half centuries, right? What was that, if not stat-padding?

The only joke here is you thinking Root is even capable of tying Williamson's shoelaces which he is not. Williamson is not only a more technically sound and more complete batter, but he is also a more complete cricketer. A tactically astute and sharp captain who always gets the best out of his side and and can step-up and play clutch knocks for his side in any format.

Any fool can look at a couple of stats and say that Williamson is a "minnow-basher", but if that fool bothered to look more closely, they would know that Williamson has only averaged under 50 once since 2014. I guess all those tests over an 8 year period were against minnows, right? He also averages 58 as captain.

I also find it funny that you are calling Williamson a minnow-basher, because I'm guessing you saw Root's numbers against Ireland and Bangladesh and decided that you would be safe calling him that. Since Root isn't even a minnow-basher.

Is this guy still around?
 
Today’s innings takes Rooooooooooot back over 50 average. What a guy!
 
A proper Test innings from Joe Root.

He is near 11,000 Test runs now. I think he can surpass Cook.
 
He was a run machine in the last 15 months of his captaincy. In fact he has struggled more under Stokes and McCullum because of trying to play very aggressively and trying risky shots.

Don't think Stokes and McCullum have pressed him to play more aggressively. Ben Foakes has been playing his natural (defensive) game under them and doesn't look like he's being told to change it. Root is a 10k+ player, they are sane enough to not tell him to change his style. If Root is trying to be adventurous, he is probably doing it on his own.
 
Smith and Root are in another category in terms of being test batters of their generation. Smith has started to show signs of decline meanwhile Root seems to be going from strength to strength the more he plays (a bit like Sangakkara)
 
Very rare for a batsman to average 50 almost everywhere except one country. 35 in Australia which in itself is not terrible. 48.19 in NZ which will get better. Would have been better but for his reverse sweeps. Definitely most versatile player of this generation. He had massive conversion issues. Even now conversion looks average. 29 centuries 56 fifties. He has time to reverse somewhat.
 
Smith and Root are in another category in terms of being test batters of their generation. Smith has started to show signs of decline meanwhile Root seems to be going from strength to strength the more he plays (a bit like Sangakkara)

Root is a proper Test batter. Textbook player.

Smith is funky. I think he got benefited because bowling quality worldwide declined when he was at peak.
 
Root is a proper Test batter. Textbook player.

Smith is funky. I think he got benefited because bowling quality worldwide declined when he was at peak.

I don't think so. He dominated India in 2017 in their home. Scored against a peak Steyn, Philander and Morkel in 2014. Smith has found a way to succeed everywhere all the time. It's just that his body has started to slow down in last couple of years while Root still looks fresh and hungry.
Smith's namesake Graeme didn't have a textbook technique either yet he scored runs all over the world that too as an opener.
 
Very rare for a batsman to average 50 almost everywhere except one country. 35 in Australia which in itself is not terrible. 48.19 in NZ which will get better. Would have been better but for his reverse sweeps. Definitely most versatile player of this generation. He had massive conversion issues. Even now conversion looks average. 29 centuries 56 fifties. He has time to reverse somewhat.

56 fifties to me is more of a characteristic of a highly consistent batter.
 
Very rare for a batsman to average 50 almost everywhere except one country. 35 in Australia which in itself is not terrible. 48.19 in NZ which will get better. Would have been better but for his reverse sweeps. Definitely most versatile player of this generation. He had massive conversion issues. Even now conversion looks average. 29 centuries 56 fifties. He has time to reverse somewhat.

Root averages 49.50 in NZ. 48.19 is his strike rate
 
I don't think so. He dominated India in 2017 in their home. Scored against a peak Steyn, Philander and Morkel in 2014. Smith has found a way to succeed everywhere all the time. It's just that his body has started to slow down in last couple of years while Root still looks fresh and hungry.
Smith's namesake Graeme didn't have a textbook technique either yet he scored runs all over the world that too as an opener.

Smith isn't a technique player - I think he relies on brilliant eyesight. He's 33 so possibly he has lost some of that.
 
England's best post war batsman.

England's best XI :-

Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
Root
KP
Botham
Knott(wkt)
Trueman
Willis
Laker
Anderson
 
Smith isn't a technique player - I think he relies on brilliant eyesight. He's 33 so possibly he has lost some of that.

You become mature as you get older. Your shot selection is very likely to improve as you get older and that will compensate for any loss of reflex. Besides 33 is too early to lose your reflex.
 
Smith's technique can't be taught to youngsters but Root's technique is simply textbook.

Root can play even at the age of 40 and is likely to do well. Can't say about Smith (at the age of 40).

It is because Root is a proper batter while Smith relies on hand-eye coordination.
 
Smith isn't a technique player - I think he relies on brilliant eyesight. He's 33 so possibly he has lost some of that.

Yes but whatever he is, he has been enormously successful.

Joe still has the schoolboy look and exuberance while Smith, Kane and Kohli all three have visibly looked a little weary than they were 4-5 years back. Genetics probably have a role in that too.
 
Smith's technique can't be taught to youngsters but Root's technique is simply textbook.

Root can play even at the age of 40 and is likely to do well. Can't say about Smith (at the age of 40).

It is because Root is a proper batter while Smith relies on hand-eye coordination.

Even with a textbook technique, father time catches up with everyone. Bell had a technique straight from a textbook yet he declined around 32. Amla suffered a drop as well with age meanwhile Younis (altered his technique against pacers after 2011) and Chanderpaul kept playing till 40 while maintaining a 50+ avg throughout.

I guess whatever works for anyone.
 
Yes but whatever he is, he has been enormously successful.

Joe still has the schoolboy look and exuberance while Smith, Kane and Kohli all three have visibly looked a little weary than they were 4-5 years back. Genetics probably have a role in that too.

I think Joe has gone a new lease of life since losing the armband.
 
Yes but whatever he is, he has been enormously successful.

Joe still has the schoolboy look and exuberance while Smith, Kane and Kohli all three have visibly looked a little weary than they were 4-5 years back. Genetics probably have a role in that too.

As much as i diss Kohli, you have to consider Kohli plays all 3 formats and IPl regularly. Root has no such distractions. He has been a Test/ODI player for England. Last year there were hardly any ODIs. So he is like to be fresh.
 
As much as i diss Kohli, you have to consider Kohli plays all 3 formats and IPl regularly. Root has no such distractions. He has been a Test/ODI player for England. Last year there were hardly any ODIs. So he is like to be fresh.

The games Root was involved in last year had 100 days of scheduled cricket compared to Kohli's 57 (counting a T20 as a 'day').
 
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As much as i diss Kohli, you have to consider Kohli plays all 3 formats and IPl regularly. Root has no such distractions. He has been a Test/ODI player for England. Last year there were hardly any ODIs. So he is like to be fresh.

That's where workload management does wonders to a player's wellbeing and potentially helping them play for more years with sustained brilliance.

India and England play too much cricket.
 
The games Root was involved in last year had 100 days of scheduled cricket compared to Kohli's 57 (counting a T20 as a 'day').

For one thing you don't stay on the ground all 5 days. Second i am talking about distraction. Not workload. Root just has to focus on his Test game. Nothing else. Bit like Labu who is also good in Tests.
 
That's where workload management does wonders to a player's wellbeing and potentially helping them play for more years with sustained brilliance.

India and England play too much cricket.

India right before every important match or series they play this crap IPL and drain their energy in it.
 
Root is back to form it seems. Shame teammates couldn't step up

Average in NZ - 52.53

In India - 50.10

In South Africa - 50.12

In Sri Lanka - 65.50

In UAE - 57.40

in West Indies - 51.50

in England - 53.56

Only Australia left for Root now
 
Just another Tendulkar. Didn't took his team home.

Not a match winner in true sense like say, a Inzamam or Miandad or Anwar.
 
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