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Certainly has a brilliant record in India, 50ish with the bat and 23.5 with the ball, a genuine all rounder in these conditions!
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He has had a poor 2023 with the bat. Needs to get back to his best although this Bazball clownery hasn’t helped him either.
His numbers have been better post Bazball than pre Bazball.He has had a poor 2023 with the bat. Needs to get back to his best although this Bazball clownery hasn’t helped him either.
Thinks like a batsman while bowling. And has this ability to land in good length areas.If he wasn’t such good batsmen, we would probably talk more about his spin bowling.
In these conditions he seems to always out perform England’s specialist spinners and also seems to break partnerships and get the important wickets.
His numbers look good on paper because he consistently gets starts but those numbers don’t capture how he has been throwing his wicket away by playing unnecessary risky shots because he feels obliged to keep up with this Bazball stuff.His numbers have been better post Bazball than pre Bazball.
His numbers look good on paper because he consistently gets starts but those numbers don’t capture how he has been throwing his wicket away by playing unnecessary risky shots because he feels obliged to keep up with this Bazball stuff.
He is in the prime of his career but he is being held back because he is being forced to play out of his comfort zone.
It is ridiculous to see your master batsmen, arguably your greatest Test batsman of all time, try and reverse lap Cummins off his first ball or looking to slog sweep spinners every time.
In his last 20+ Tests, he is averaging 49 at a SR of 75 with just 2 hundreds. These numbers don’t do justice to his peak and he has been clearly impacted by Bazball.
Without Bazball, that average and that century tally would have been significantly higher.
It is a myth that Bazball has been beneficial for him and he has done better in this period because he was in absolute stellar form from 2021 to 2022 after a couple of lean years.
He scored 8 hundreds in a 20 Tests stretch in 2021-22 when he was batting at a normal strike rate of 55.
He would have continued that run until now if Stokes and McCullum weren’t hell bent on making their best Test batsman play Test cricket like ODI cricket.
But what good use was Joe Root playing bigger innings if it was not resulting in wins?His numbers look good on paper because he consistently gets starts but those numbers don’t capture how he has been throwing his wicket away by playing unnecessary risky shots because he feels obliged to keep up with this Bazball stuff.
He is in the prime of his career but he is being held back because he is being forced to play out of his comfort zone.
It is ridiculous to see your master batsmen, arguably your greatest Test batsman of all time, try and reverse lap Cummins off his first ball or looking to slog sweep spinners every time.
In his last 20+ Tests, he is averaging 49 at a SR of 75 with just 2 hundreds. These numbers don’t do justice to his peak and he has been clearly impacted by Bazball.
Without Bazball, that average and that century tally would have been significantly higher.
It is a myth that Bazball has been beneficial for him and he has done better in this period because he was in absolute stellar form from 2021 to 2022 after a couple of lean years.
He scored 8 hundreds in a 20 Tests stretch in 2021-22 when he was batting at a normal strike rate of 55.
He would have continued that run until now if Stokes and McCullum weren’t hell bent on making their best Test batsman play Test cricket like ODI cricket.
Lyon has been poor against India both home and away.Surprisingly, Joe Root boasts a better bowling average than GOAT Nathan Lyon. I wonder about why England didn't fully capitalize on Joe Root's potential as a genuine all-rounder.
Bowling average in Tests in India
Joe Root - 23.50
Nathan Lyon - 27.36
Graeme Swann - 28.96
Monty Panesar- 38.25
Shane Warne - 43.12
Daniel Vettori - 44.77
Muttiah Muralitharan - 45.45
Rangana Herath - 54.33
It's time to drop him. His recent shot selections are horrendous.
Destroyed by Bazball.
Waiting for some people with zero cricket knowledge talk about how his numbers have “improved” post Bazball.
He tried that in the first two tests. But became a bunny of Bumrah. So he went the other way and got self-owned one more time.Root was spoken of in the same breath as Jack Hobbs, Len Hutton and Wally Hammond as potentially England‘s greatest batsmen (though one could argue his lack of performance in Australia, with no hundreds and an average in the high thirties discounts him from this illustrious company, as this is the arbiter that most English fans would apply to greatness).
That said, he is (? was) a generational talent — he should have played his own game at a SR of 55-60 and been the bedrock of the middle order.
What an extraordinary waste.
Root was spoken of in the same breath as Jack Hobbs, Len Hutton and Wally Hammond as potentially England‘s greatest batsmen (though one could argue his lack of performance in Australia, with no hundreds and an average in the high thirties discounts him from this illustrious company, as this is the arbiter that most English fans would apply to greatness).
That said, he is (? was) a generational talent — he should have played his own game at a SR of 55-60 and been the bedrock of the middle order.
What an extraordinary waste.
As an English batter there are a couple of career defying series if you want to be perceived as one of the greats — Aus and India away.Former England captain Nasser Hussain feels Joe Root's dismissal for the reverse ramp shot off Jasprit Bumrah on Day 3 of the third Test sums up the extremities of Bazball. Speaking on local English Sports Channel after play on Day 3:
"After the first two Tests against India, we said that Root might not be suited to Bazball," Hussain said. "But the stats say otherwise. He averages 51 under this regime and he averaged 49 before that. His dismissal sort of sums up where we are with Bazball. It will thrill and frustrate in equal measure."
"When he is playing those reverse-scoops to the first ball of the day of an Ashes Test, we all jump up and applaud. When he does it to Bumrah here and gets out, we all say 'what a disgrace'."
"One thing Joe will look at is the timing of that shot. Ashwin wasn't there, India are down a bowler; Jadeja is playing off the back of an injury; Bumrah is playing three Tests in a row and there is talk of him needing a rest. Bazball is about being attacking but it is also about soaking up pressure. Get Bumrah into his second or third spell, take it deep and then play the shot later in the day."
"Joe will assess his dismissal himself. That's what makes him a great player. He'll come back. He'll be absolutely fine."
As an English batter there are a couple of career defying series if you want to be perceived as one of the greats — Aus and India away.
Root:"Root is a generational talent and Williamson is an overrated home track bully"
Root avg in India and Australia: 42 and 35
Williamson avg in Australia and India: 42 and 33
Kane has not been good in most places.Root:
In India 42.58
In Australia 35.68
In South Africa 50.21
In New Zealand 52.53
In Sri Lanka 65.50
In West Indies 51.50
Williamson:
In India 33.53
In Australia 42.84
In South Africa 21.16
In England 30.53
In Sri Lanka 26.71
In West Indies 51.33
Number of Tests vs Bangladesh and Zimbabwe:
Root = 2 (Bangladesh) and 0 (Zimbabwe)
Williamson = 8 (Bangladesh) and 4 (Zimbabwe)
Unless someone is blind as a bat or knows nothing about cricket, it is obvious that Root is clearly a superior all-round batsman than Williamson.
Williamson has always been the weakest player in the Fab Four especially in Test cricket.
Isn’t it strange that a batsman as good as Root forgets how to bat when his ‘captain says play aggressively’? How terrible Stokes must be to completely scare Root into playing reverse sweeps. That’s your logic.Root:
In India 42.58
In Australia 35.68
In South Africa 50.21
In New Zealand 52.53
In Sri Lanka 65.50
In West Indies 51.50
Williamson:
In India 33.53
In Australia 42.84
In South Africa 21.16
In England 30.53
In Sri Lanka 26.71
In West Indies 51.33
Number of Tests vs Bangladesh and Zimbabwe:
Root = 2 (Bangladesh) and 0 (Zimbabwe)
Williamson = 8 (Bangladesh) and 4 (Zimbabwe)
Unless someone is blind as a bat or knows nothing about cricket, it is obvious that Root is clearly a superior all-round batsman than Williamson.
Williamson has always been the weakest player in the Fab Four especially in Test cricket.
I think they are in two minds whether to continue attacking with Bazball or play the proper way and frustrate the bowlers.I think this is more a self-inflicted pressure. Their whole theory is to keep the bowling under pressure all the time, induce error and capitalize on it. It works for them. It even worked for Root at the beginning. No way one can say Duckett/Crawley are better players than Root. But form is going good for them. Moment form deserts them they will also be in the shoes of Root. Whole reason this works because they are given the freedom to express themselves even with a few failures. Root tried conventional approach at the start of the series. Didn't work. So switched to bazball approach. Didn't work either. May be he is not in great nick or he is up against his nemesis Bumrah who has worked him over.
Gone down now. 42 or something in indiaCertainly has a brilliant record in India, 50ish with the bat and 23.5 with the ball, a genuine all rounder in these conditions!
Australia was lucky they dint face pant and bumrah on the last wtc finialLyon has been poor against India both home and away.
unfair on Crawley, Duckett and Pope who are all doing their best to contribute despite facing up to the new ball
"KW had two bad tests in South Africa 12 years ago and 2 bad tests in Sri Lanka 5 years ago. Also, because Root > Williamson we can ignore all the countries where KW has done well or Root has done poorly, so no UAE, Bangladesh or Pakistan."Root:
In India 42.58
In Australia 35.68
In South Africa 50.21
In New Zealand 52.53
In Sri Lanka 65.50
In West Indies 51.50
Williamson:
In India 33.53
In Australia 42.84
In South Africa 21.16
In England 30.53
In Sri Lanka 26.71
In West Indies 51.33
Number of Tests vs Bangladesh and Zimbabwe:
Root = 2 (Bangladesh) and 0 (Zimbabwe)
Williamson = 8 (Bangladesh) and 4 (Zimbabwe)
Unless someone is blind as a bat or knows nothing about cricket, it is obvious that Root is clearly a superior all-round batsman than Williamson.
Williamson has always been the weakest player in the Fab Four especially in Test cricket.
Gone down now. 42 or something in india
Bazball suits streaky and low technique players like Crawley, Duckett and Bairstow. Get runs quickly because there will always be a ball with their name on it. Whereas Root like he is here should just play classically and bat. He is a normal Test batsman and should just play his natural game, and remember what got him to where he is now.
Joe Root's strategic shift away from Bazball methods proved pivotal as he orchestrated England's resurgence with an impressive unbeaten century, guiding them to a resilient 302/7 at stumps on day 1 in the 4th Test against India. His steadfast innings stands at an unbeaten 106 from 226 deliveries.Joe Root achieved his 31st Test century against India during the 4th Test in Ranchi, making history as the first player in Test cricket to hit 10 centuries against India.
But don’t you think that a player of Root’s calibre arguablyin the top five English batsman of all time) should have been mentally tough enough to have played the way he felt best ?Must have taken a genius in England camp to figure out that an all-time great Test batsman should be allowed to play proper Test cricket. Who would have thought.