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Has Pakistan selected the right squad to win the ICC World Cup 2023?


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Yes, alot of cricket at stake when you're taking fakhar and shadab, you're basically shooting yourself in the foot, but go on.
Babar has done the right thing by backing players he believes will win him the World Cup, no left field selections. In the end, he will be responsible for their success and their failures.

Saim has no experience and you cannot throw him to the wolves in such a big tournament, his time will come.

Let's get behind the team, this is the best team we could have selected. People acting as if the replacements would have won us the World Cup, sorry we do not have anyone outstanding on the bench.
 
So ideally this should be our playing 11.

Fakhar/Abdullah ( Fakhar 1st few games)
Imam
Babar
Saud
Rizwan (Has to bat at 5)
Iftikhar
Shadab
Usama/Nawaz if Usama doesn't click
Hassan
Shaheen
Rauf
 
Babar has done the right thing by backing players he believes will win him the World Cup, no left field selections. In the end, he will be responsible for their success and their failures.

Saim has no experience and you cannot throw him to the wolves in such a big tournament, his time will come.

Let's get behind the team, this is the best team we could have selected. People acting as if the replacements would have won us the World Cup, sorry we do not have anyone outstanding on the bench.
Fakhar was completly new, and he came in and replaced your experienced boy Ahmed shezad and look what happened?

You don't back out of form or trash players in general.

Nawaz, Shadab, fakhar, agha and even chacha for that matter, might as well shoot both are kneecaps off right here and now.
 
Fakhar was completly new, and he came in and replaced your experienced boy Ahmed shezad and look what happened?

You don't back out of form or trash players in general.

Nawaz, Shadab, fakhar, agha and even chacha for that matter, might as well shoot both are kneecaps off right here and now.
Do you even follow cricket properly? Do you know how long Fakhar had toiled in domestic cricket before getting selected for Pakistan and replace Ahmed Shehzad? You sound very young to Pakistan cricket.

Saim is not the same case, he needs time. Fakhar made an impact immediately, Saim struggled massively against Fazal Farooqui of all people.
 
Huge pressure on Shaheen now with the new ball. He’s not going to get help from Hassan Ali. The opposition will be licking their lips, survive Shaheen’s spell and set up for a score over 350.
 
This squad is selected for the following simple reason:

-Bat first, score 280, pray for bowlers.
-Chasing? Hope bowlers restrict target to 250.

With these many accumulators, it will be tough to chase anything over 250-260 against the top 4 sides.

And when setting a total they will be happy with 270-290 as that’s the ceiling of this accumulators unit.

In short, reaching semis might be a possibility, but like always we won’t win anything and no cup is coming back home.

The top 4 sides Ind, Aus, Eng, SA/NZ are far too ruthless to let us win in the semis or final.
 
If anything, this is the change I would make in the squad.
Yeah this change was so obvious can’t believe they went with Nawaz whose the ultimate example of bits n pieces Abrar might have won us a crucial game vs one of the SENA sides due to novelty factor.
 
No power hitters

No pace depth

No quality spin

No middle order

Fragile captain

Unfortunately what's gonna happen is so predictable yet many will stay in a dreamland and expect us to win. Even if we can qualify for semis we'll drop a crucial catch and choke it.

Arey bhai look at the other teams batting power. We are about 20 years behind.
 
Historically in all the successful icc assignments of Pak history, these kinds of unexpected shocking maverick injections have always given them the extra edge & spoiled strategies of strong opposition teams.
You already mentioned 3, I would like to add another 3
92 : Mushtaq, I think he was as instrumental as Wasim & Inzi were in the triumph. He too much like Inzi was an unexpected inclusion.
99 : Razzak, basically a nobody before the world cup. Was probably Akram's biggest mastersroke at how he used him at no 3 instead of aging veterans like Izaz, Malik & as the fourth seam option instead of a struggling Waqar.
09 : Aamir ;World cricket wasn't simply prepared enough for a teenage 140+ sensation. He really rattled them & inturn it helped Gul to plunder wickets after wickets.
So keeping that in mind a last minute inclusion of Abrar or Ayub wouldn't have been a terrible idea. But the problem is Babar simply isn't as brave enough as Imran,Akram,Younus or Sarfaraz were. For him safety first has always been priority.

Great examples - and makes the case stronger.

I’m just shocked at some of the posters here saying “oh we can’t include rookies”. This is wrong on so many levels and I’ll try and address some here.

1. Have you guys not followed history? Check V and my examples. If you all had your way you would get Sohail Tanvir trundling through the 2009 WC instead of Aamir or Aamer Malik instead of Inzi in 1992 etc etc

2. It’s not as if the selected players have a mountain of experience either.

It’s fine to “back my team”. Back them, but be honest with yourselves. The first XI is a mix of 3 accumulators (with one woefully out of form) and then fake allrounders (who have NOT performed at all recently). Is that a formula to win a World Cup in 2023? Beyond the first XI when Fakhar is inevitably put out of his misery. You’ll replace him with a other accumulator and at some point you may bring Saud in. You then have 4 accumulators followed by fake allrounders!

The spin department you have a complete non performer in Shadab in ODIs and then have mediocre Nawaz. Pace bowling yes we are a bit limited. Why not take a risk with Amir? Instead we get mediocre Hassan Ali back.

Such a mediocre and boring selection.
 
Do you even follow cricket properly? Do you know how long Fakhar had toiled in domestic cricket before getting selected for Pakistan and replace Ahmed Shehzad? You sound very young to Pakistan cricket.

Saim is not the same case, he needs time. Fakhar made an impact immediately, Saim struggled massively against Fazal Farooqui of all people.
Doesn't matter how long he toiled, he was New to International cricket.

Saim has been dominating in cpl, that alone is enough for him to get a call up.
 
I just don't see how you can expect a blockbuster outcome from a lackluster average unit. The way I see it with this squad you are either going to get an average outing(15,19) or a complete disaster (03,07). I just don't see anything close to 92/99 or even 87/11 happening with this unit. As I already mentioned along with Sultan at post #123 you need some unexpected unknown commodity to expect that sort of performance. Just to unsettle opposition's strategy. Pak could've gone on that route but as it's obvious Babar doesn't want to take risk. He is content with safety & familiarity.
Pakistan only needs momentum, and if they can find it in big tournaments, then they are destined to win. This happened in 1992, 2009, and also in the 2017 Champions Trophy. Otherwise, there is no cricket pundit who will say that we had a great team in those tournaments. The only times we had a great star team were in the 1999 and 2003 World Cups
 
Shockingly poor spin attack. Should have taken a risk and picked abrar in final 15, rather then as reserve.

Nawaz is a mediocre bits and pieces player
It has to be Usman and Shadab in playing 11, Nawaz is only required if any of the frontline spinners fail.
 
No power hitters

No pace depth

No quality spin

No middle order

Fragile captain

Unfortunately what's gonna happen is so predictable yet many will stay in a dreamland and expect us to win. Even if we can qualify for semis we'll drop a crucial catch and choke it.

Arey bhai look at the other teams batting power. We are about 20 years behind.
Give solutions to each problem.
 
The people who are complaining here do not have any better suggestions to include in the squad.

All I am hearing is Imad and Amir should have been in the squad.

I saw Amir in cpl, pace is finished, can't bowl a single delivery without a grunt. He is clearly not fit.

Imad will be taken for cleaners in the world Cup where he offers no spin with his slow orthodox deliveries. He can't even be used at the start of the innings because 5 overs need to be bowled at the beginning unlike T-20s.

Pakistan selected the best squad from the pool that was available. You could have taken new/ not known players to the world Cup but that's taking a big risk because the pressure of a big tournament could get to them.

i like the inclusion of Saud Shakeel and he should have been given a run in Asia Cup as our team seriously lacks good players of spin which will be the key on Indian pitches. I hope he gets to play in the 11.
 
What is Salman Aghas role in this team? Some please explain it to me. He doesn’t ball regularly if he’s being played as an allrounder and doesn’t score runs as well. Isnt he suppose to be our spin version of Hardik Pandya? We could have easily played Imad in his place who is more versatile or even Azam Khan. I don’t get his selection at all.
 
Do we have frontline spinners?
Yes, Shadab has been playing for Pakistan since last 6 years now, so obviously this is your frontline spinner. Same goes with Usama Mir who debuted PSL almost 5-6 years ago and recently has been permanent member of white ball format. Shadab is out of form just at the wrong time, and also he has never performed against India which u can call a mental block for him. Even in CT'Final he was spanked by Pandya all around the park. But his performance has been brilliant against other teams and that's why he is still there with team.

Now you may show me the stats for last 1-2 years where he has been bit expensive, but before getting into that, show me how many ODIs have pakistan played since 2019 WC. It is important to accept that we just dont have enough matches under the belt to experiment new things. These players have been performing very well in T20 and that made them automatic selection for ODI format as well. But had we got some more ODIs for last 4 years, may be they could have failed much earlier than just few days before mega event which could have given PCB more time for some experimentation.
 
What is Salman Aghas role in this team? Some please explain it to me. He doesn’t ball regularly if he’s being played as an allrounder and doesn’t score runs as well. Isnt he suppose to be our spin version of Hardik Pandya? We could have easily played Imad in his place who is more versatile or even Azam Khan. I don’t get his selection at all.
You are right, he doesn't add any value at all. But replacing him with Imad or Azam is not something which should have been done. We could have picked any proper batter like Haris Sohail to strengthen our middle order.
 
You don't need a WC backup in 15, it is like wasting a spot when you can activate travelling reserves in case of an injury.

Rizwan has diarrhoea ahead of a game.

Mohammad Haris replaces him, end of the WC for Rizwan because of diarrhoea.
 
Why have we picked both Abdullah & Saud is beyond me.

Why we have only 4 pacers, two of whom are not even fully fit is beyond me.
I think Mohammad Haris looking so clueless in the Asia Cup cost him a spot.

They also watch these batsmen in the nets.

50 over cricket might be a stretch too far for Haris despite being a different type of player to the other two.
 
Huge pressure on Shaheen now with the new ball. He’s not going to get help from Hassan Ali. The opposition will be licking their lips, survive Shaheen’s spell and set up for a score over 350.
I can see that happening and that will indeed be the final nail in the coffin for Hassan Ali's career.

It will be a toss up between Hassan Ali and Mohd Wasim really to see who gets to play on the 11.
 
Great examples - and makes the case stronger.

I’m just shocked at some of the posters here saying “oh we can’t include rookies”. This is wrong on so many levels and I’ll try and address some here.

1. Have you guys not followed history? Check V and my examples. If you all had your way you would get Sohail Tanvir trundling through the 2009 WC instead of Aamir or Aamer Malik instead of Inzi in 1992 etc etc

2. It’s not as if the selected players have a mountain of experience either.

It’s fine to “back my team”. Back them, but be honest with yourselves. The first XI is a mix of 3 accumulators (with one woefully out of form) and then fake allrounders (who have NOT performed at all recently). Is that a formula to win a World Cup in 2023? Beyond the first XI when Fakhar is inevitably put out of his misery. You’ll replace him with a other accumulator and at some point you may bring Saud in. You then have 4 accumulators followed by fake allrounders!

The spin department you have a complete non performer in Shadab in ODIs and then have mediocre Nawaz. Pace bowling yes we are a bit limited. Why not take a risk with Amir? Instead we get mediocre Hassan Ali back.

Such a mediocre and boring selection.
It's interesting to note that this formula isn't something exclusively applied by Pak & succeeded. Eng have chosen a raw completely unknown Atkinson even before he played a single international. They could've easily chosen one of their many "trundler of the week" toiling in county or gone with safer options like Robinson /Mills/Jordan but they still took the risk, because they know what they are lacking & what this guy potentially can do. Not to forget the guy he has replaced was also a debutant rookie back in 19 who they had preferred over Willey, their main spearhead in white ball after Broad Anderson were phased out.
SA have chosen Coetzee, another rookie who can potentially shock any lesser opposition, specially subcontinent teams may find him hard to handle. Dhoni chose a untested Dhawan over legendary Shewag & Gambhir at ct 13, he betted on a teenager Rohit over many experienced domestic batters in 07 t20, Ganguly went with raw rookies Yuvraj & Zaheer in ct 00. Ponting had to fight almost the entire Australian cricket system in 03 wc to include Symonds whose career at the time was virtually over. He again took a massive risk by including Tait who had just made odi debut in 07 after Lee was out. Mendis won Sri an asia cup out of nowhere. So there are multiplie examples of such left field decisions working over the years. Ultimately it falls upon the philosophy of the captain, if he isn't flexible enough to dare such things well then outsiders can only suggest.
 
And let me add the squad selected wont win the World Cup.

The fans know it and Babar knows it.

But he believes its the best squad to give the team a chance to reach semis ( which may or may not be true).

The problem is there are a certain set of fans who believe that there are alternate 11 players in Pakistan who would have helped Pakistan lift the World Cup.

Lets get one thing clear.

There are no alternate set of 11 players who would win Pakistan the World Cup.

Let me repeat.

There is no combination of players in Pakistan at the moment who would change our teams fortunes who are not taking the flight.

There may be a couple of doubtful inclusions.


But to say inclusion of Saim and Haris, sacking of Rizwan and Shadab and Nawaz and giving 3 or 4 new players the pedestal would change our fate is peurile.

Houdini himself cant create it.

Yet fans think it otherwise.
 
Yeah we are not winning the WC with that batting and bowling line up. Naseem shah is a big loss.
 
there might be an injury or two during the worldcup rounds and we might see some new faces
 
And let me add the squad selected wont win the World Cup.

The fans know it and Babar knows it.

But he believes its the best squad to give the team a chance to reach semis ( which may or may not be true).

The problem is there are a certain set of fans who believe that there are alternate 11 players in Pakistan who would have helped Pakistan lift the World Cup.

Lets get one thing clear.

There are no alternate set of 11 players who would win Pakistan the World Cup.

Let me repeat.

There is no combination of players in Pakistan at the moment who would change our teams fortunes who are not taking the flight.

There may be a couple of doubtful inclusions.


But to say inclusion of Saim and Haris, sacking of Rizwan and Shadab and Nawaz and giving 3 or 4 new players the pedestal would change our fate is peurile.

Houdini himself cant create it.

Yet fans think it otherwise.
Yes their are. A raw saim ayub is 10x superior to current form fakhar given his cpl run.

Saud should be slotted in at no 4 but rizwan hogs that slot.

Tayyab should have been our 5. Why is tayyab out when he never got to play a single game?

Imad should have been in place of nawaz.

Shadab shouldn't be in the team, Usama mir and abrar shpuld be the frontline spinners for those tournament.

Don't change the entire squad but go with this line up

1) Saim ayub
2) Rizwan (Can do pretty well as an opener)
3) Babar
4) Saud shakeel
5) Tayyab
6) Chacha/Imad
7) Usama Mir
8) Abrar
9) Abass Afridi/Arshad iqbal/Aamer jamal
10) Rauf
11) Shaheen Shah afridi.

That's a killer lineup right their
 
And let me add the squad selected wont win the World Cup.

The fans know it and Babar knows it.

But he believes its the best squad to give the team a chance to reach semis ( which may or may not be true).

The problem is there are a certain set of fans who believe that there are alternate 11 players in Pakistan who would have helped Pakistan lift the World Cup.

Lets get one thing clear.

There are no alternate set of 11 players who would win Pakistan the World Cup.

Let me repeat.

There is no combination of players in Pakistan at the moment who would change our teams fortunes who are not taking the flight.

There may be a couple of doubtful inclusions.


But to say inclusion of Saim and Haris, sacking of Rizwan and Shadab and Nawaz and giving 3 or 4 new players the pedestal would change our fate is peurile.

Houdini himself cant create it.

Yet fans think it otherwise.
Great post.

This needs to be stickied somewhere near the top so fans can calm down a bit.

From the rona dhona you'd think Saim Ayub was the 2nd coming of Saeed Anwar and didn't just struggle against Afghanistan only a few months ago.
 
Pakistan only needs momentum, and if they can find it in big tournaments, then they are destined to win. This happened in 1992, 2009, and also in the 2017 Champions Trophy. Otherwise, there is no cricket pundit who will say that we had a great team in those tournaments. The only times we had a great star team were in the 1999 and 2003 World Cups
I have to completely disagree about that 2003 world cup unit. Did it have legendary names? Sure, full of them. But as I recall was there any realistic expectation from that team?No, because virtually everyone could see that the legends were all done & dusted. Form,age,fitness nothing was in favor of them. Ever since they caught that Australian team unguarded under a new nervous skipper in mid 2002, they had been receiving massive whooping right, left & center from everybody everywhere. Maybe they performed far worse than it was anticipated, but still they really didn't have strong legs to stand. Their only hope could have been the relatively younger but experienced players who were at their prime(Afridi, Akhter,Yousuf, Razzak) but those guys turned out to be even bigger mental midgets. The 96 unit was a star studded team as was the 00 ct unit. Both of these teams had high expectations & great momentum behind them. Other than Aus/SA they weren't expected to lose to any other team & yet the opposite happened. I didn't witness the 87 wc, but anyone who saw that team rates it very highly. So the reality is Pak in past many times had terrific teams going into major tournaments only to lose the momentum halfway & losing to much lesser sides than them.
 
Great post.

This needs to be stickied somewhere near the top so fans can calm down a bit.

From the rona dhona you'd think Saim Ayub was the 2nd coming of Saeed Anwar and didn't just struggle against Afghanistan only a few months ago.
He single handedly won you the 3rd t20 against afg? Otherwise we'd be getting humiliated for the 3rd defeat and a 3-0 white wash?

You're acting like shadab in that series was smashing Afghanistan 😂.
 
I agree that Saim and Abdullah are great. As I said in one of my previous posts, they are going to go down some of the best test batsmen in Pakistan's history.

Having said that, double centuries in Test cricket are not the benchmark for ODI selection - ESPECIALLY when we already have accumulators of a similar mould in the team (Babar, Imam and Rizwan). We need some firepower to complement these accumulators. Saim Ayub and Haris would have provided that better than anyone else in Pakistan right now.
I prefer test as a benchmark over T20 played played in the Caribbean or Rawalpindi.
Tell me why India are not picking Surya Kumar ahead of guys like KL and Shreyas Iyer
 
And let me add the squad selected wont win the World Cup.

The fans know it and Babar knows it.

But he believes its the best squad to give the team a chance to reach semis ( which may or may not be true).

The problem is there are a certain set of fans who believe that there are alternate 11 players in Pakistan who would have helped Pakistan lift the World Cup.

Lets get one thing clear.

There are no alternate set of 11 players who would win Pakistan the World Cup.

Let me repeat.

There is no combination of players in Pakistan at the moment who would change our teams fortunes who are not taking the flight.

There may be a couple of doubtful inclusions.


But to say inclusion of Saim and Haris, sacking of Rizwan and Shadab and Nawaz and giving 3 or 4 new players the pedestal would change our fate is peurile.

Houdini himself cant create it.

Yet fans think it otherwise.
I don’t think anyone is under any illusions that even if every player everyone wanted was in the team that we would win the World Cup.

However, you don’t just give up. You do still try and get the best you can get.

And this line of argument “we need a stable team and we can’t take any risks at this stage” is nonsense and it’s proved by history.
 
I have to completely disagree about that 2003 world cup unit. Did it have legendary names? Sure, full of them. But as I recall was there any realistic expectation from that team?No, because virtually everyone could see that the legends were all done & dusted. Form,age,fitness nothing was in favor of them. Ever since they caught that Australian team unguarded under a new nervous skipper in mid 2002, they had been receiving massive whooping right, left & center from everybody everywhere. Maybe they performed far worse than it was anticipated, but still they really didn't have strong legs to stand. Their only hope could have been the relatively younger but experienced players who were at their prime(Afridi, Akhter,Yousuf, Razzak) but those guys turned out to be even bigger mental midgets. The 96 unit was a star studded team as was the 00 ct unit. Both of these teams had high expectations & great momentum behind them. Other than Aus/SA they weren't expected to lose to any other team & yet the opposite happened. I didn't witness the 87 wc, but anyone who saw that team rates it very highly. So the reality is Pak in past many times had terrific teams going into major tournaments only to lose the momentum halfway & losing to much lesser sides than them.
For your info, same 2003 WC team just before WC had won ODI series in Aus against that legendary Aus team. I have not witnessed 96 WC so cant comment on that but surely 1999 team was not that strong but they performed extremely well because of great captaincy and management by wasim akram.
 
And let me add the squad selected wont win the World Cup.

The fans know it and Babar knows it.

But he believes its the best squad to give the team a chance to reach semis ( which may or may not be true).

The problem is there are a certain set of fans who believe that there are alternate 11 players in Pakistan who would have helped Pakistan lift the World Cup.

Lets get one thing clear.

There are no alternate set of 11 players who would win Pakistan the World Cup.

Let me repeat.

There is no combination of players in Pakistan at the moment who would change our teams fortunes who are not taking the flight.

There may be a couple of doubtful inclusions.


But to say inclusion of Saim and Haris, sacking of Rizwan and Shadab and Nawaz and giving 3 or 4 new players the pedestal would change our fate is peurile.

Houdini himself cant create it.

Yet fans think it otherwise.
I think that's the wrong way to look at it. Pakistan were never winning this Cup. Not with this lack of quality.

But you can always do better?

The Saud Shakeel selection was driven by Test returns.

His last ODI/List A was back in 2021 and he didn't impress even back then. Also has a mediocre record in T20 leagues.

No evidence that he is a white ball player.

Abdullah Shafique has played 8 List A games only.

If the spin-allrounders are useless, you can always select the extra pacer and go pace heavy and look to attack for wickets in middle overs etc.

If Pakistan have identified bowling strength as their main weapon, then play pace heavy attacks throughout and see where it goes.

What is the point of selecting mediocre spin allrounders who won't take wickets or score runs?

In which case you are definitely losing the Cup

With the extra pacer, you might surprise a team or two. Who knows?
 
The people over here that just want me to give in and be like support the team, their is no better alternative, Theik hai bhai.

Shadab and nawaz, I can't wait to see them do their magic.
 
Before the Asia cup, everyone was ranting about how great are team is blah blah. There has now been a total u-turn.
People need to relax.

The team we have isn't half as bad as people make it out to be. We have a couple weak links and some guys out of form, sure. But at the end of the day should we have made a couple changes, I can't see it making that big a difference to how we finish this world cup.

We have a good team

Top order - A bit slow, but reliable.
Lower order batting - A bit weak. Reliant on Chacha
Bowling - Naseem's injury is a huge blow, but Hasan Ali has been preforming well.
Middle over bowling - I am a bit concerned. Can't see us getting many wickets if we have Shadab, Ifti and possibly Nawaz are there.
Death end bowling - Shaheen seems to have gotten a bit better. Could have been strengthened by Zaman Khan. Hopefully Hasan Ali and Harris Rauf will step up.
 
Yes their are. A raw saim ayub is 10x superior to current form fakhar given his cpl run.

Saud should be slotted in at no 4 but rizwan hogs that slot.

Tayyab should have been our 5. Why is tayyab out when he never got to play a single game?

Imad should have been in place of nawaz.

Shadab shouldn't be in the team, Usama mir and abrar shpuld be the frontline spinners for those tournament.

Don't change the entire squad but go with this line up

1) Saim ayub
2) Rizwan (Can do pretty well as an opener)
3) Babar
4) Saud shakeel
5) Tayyab
6) Chacha/Imad
7) Usama Mir
8) Abrar
9) Abass Afridi/Arshad iqbal/Aamer jamal
10) Rauf
11) Shaheen Shah afridi.

That's a killer lineup right their
Killer line up?

Who is Tayyab? Who is Arshad Iqbal, Aamer Jamal ?
 
If a squad was to be selected based on people's comments then Babar, Shaheen, Shadab, Imam, and Fakhar would not have made it. Guys keep calm and support whatever we have right now. Arshad Iqbal is injured so he would not have been selected in any case. Hassan is a good choice considering faheem is also done and dusted now.
Arshad Iqbal is playing FC tournament.. Him being injured is just a lie
 
For your info, same 2003 WC team just before WC had won ODI series in Aus against that legendary Aus team. I have not witnessed 96 WC so cant comment on that but surely 1999 team was not that strong but they performed extremely well because of great captaincy and management by wasim akram.
Please read my post properly, I mentioned that series win clearly. Go back & read again. That was indeed the defending world champion Australian team, except it wasn't exactly invincible. Ponting had been installed at captaincy just few months earlier which didn't sit well with some of the other seniors(Warne in particular) who themselves were vying for the role. Old timers like Ian Chappell also weren't exactly in favor of Ponting because at that period he had somewhat of a "bad boy" image & they thought seniors wouldn't respect him properly. Most significantly it was a team that had decided to phase out Waugh brothers after Australia's unexpected shocking failure in the 02 tri series (SA won it,Nz were runnersup). If you or anybody has known/followed even just a tiny bit of Aus cricket in the 90's then you must understand how shocking that must have been. For almost 12 years those twins were the poster boys of Aus cricket & everybody thought for sure that they would be allowed take part in 03 wc to gracefully retire. Ponting was under tremendous pressure at that time which was evident on his own performance. I am taking nothing away from the Pak team btw because it was still an extraordinary achievement but the fact remains they faced a team who were going through a bit of identity crisis. You are wrong to claim that series happening just before wc, it didn't. It happened 9 months earlier. After then Pak went through somewhat similar losing streak that we saw in 18-19 before the wc. They were decimated in a tri series against SA & Sri. Then Aus destroyed them in another tri series, were knocked out from ct & finally before wc went to SA only be to beaten to pulp in a 5 match series.Their only series victory on that period arrived against Zimbabwe. Many here on PP like me were old enough to remember that period. So I can assure you that Pak team was destined for a disaster no matter what.
 
I think Mohammad Haris looking so clueless in the Asia Cup cost him a spot.

They also watch these batsmen in the nets.

50 over cricket might be a stretch too far for Haris despite being a different type of player to the other two.
Yeah M Haris is totally to blame here. He got a chance in one game. He was scheduled to open, then last minute pushed down to no.5. How dare he not perform.

Even when I bat in the nets, I look a million dollar.
 
Lost interest already with Barbar picking his go to boys Nawaz, Wasim Jnr, Abdullah & Hassan spray gun Ali

Only way i summarise in 92 Imran picked Inzi 22, Moin 20, Mushy 22 & Aqib 17 only to go on to win. He dropped Sikander, Salim Yusuf & a few others who were his close mates.

Just pray India don’t take us to the cleaners again i can’t afford another TV being smashed again.
 
Understandable Inzi was saying other older experienced players were never in the reckoning the decisions are made and Babar Inzi will have their way.

What’s Pakistan’s best chance of winning high scoring matches against the best teams?

Saim
Fakhar
Babar
Umar Akmal
Haris Sohail
Iftikhar
Haris
Abrar
Shaheen
Amir
Rauf

Having players like Haris and Akmal including the openers in form is the only chance Pakistan have of beating the best teams so you can make a better team from non selected players who in form give you a chance current squad will fall short in high scoring matches and Shadab has been out of form and for some reason not dropped.
 
What a lame squad. With this team it would be hard to expect better than a 6th place exit.


We are going to India with two spinners who don't even spin the ball and are sure starters because they are besties with the captain. Typical Pakistani side, dosti yaari over merit.
 
Do some research before posting your agenda backed comments. Ihsan, Arshad are injured and Dhani got smashed recently by college graduates of India, Abrar is already in reserve. Even Hasnain is injured otherwise he would have been first choice after Naseem just for the sake of proving rhetorical arguments, doesn't mean you come up with

Arshad Iqbal is playing FC tournament currently..so how is he not fit?
Only because Babar said it to excuse inclusion of Hasan Ali. Otherwise tgere was no reason to prefer notorious match loser over Arshad.
 
What a lame squad. With this team it would be hard to expect better than a 6th place exit.


We are going to India with two spinners who don't even spin the ball and are sure starters because they are besties with the captain. Typical Pakistani side, dosti yaari over merit.
What's your ideal squad then?
 
For your info, same 2003 WC team just before WC had won ODI series in Aus against that legendary Aus team. I have not witnessed 96 WC so cant comment on that but surely 1999 team was not that strong but they performed extremely well because of great captaincy and management by wasim akram.
FYI, after winning that ODI series vs Australia, they got smashed by Australia in a triangular series in Kenya, knocked out by SL and South Africa in a triangular in Morocco, knocked out in 1st round of CT 2002 by SL, smashed 4-1 by South Africa in South Africa.

And then lost a couple of matches to Saffer domestic sides in the warm ups I think.
 
Squad is good. The only people who are unhappy are the fan boys. Fanboys of Amir, Imad, Akmals, Haris Sohail, Sharjeel, Arshad Iqbal etc.

The batting is stable, bowling is also good.

Waseem Jr can bowl reverse swing, and pakistan main issue was middle overs bowling. Hassan Ali is there because Naseem, Ihsanullah, and Hasnain are injured. Now we cant have injured players in the squad. Hassan Ali, Zaman Khan and Shahnawaz were the only options left.

Zaman is still a new bowler that can bowl great at death but still cant bowl in the middle overs. So, i wouldn't have risked him in reserves but I understand why he will be a reserve as he could be needed if our death bowling flops. Arshad Iqbal has no experience, we dont need another Junaid Khan 2011 bowler where the bowler keeps a spot but doesnt play.

Hassan Ali has experience and can bowl with both new and old ball. Under the circumstances he was the best option. Shahnawaz Dhani could also had been considered aswell as he has domestic experience plus has played 3 full seasons of PSL. Bowls abit short in subcontinent that can trouble players.

Issue is spin bowling, i agree. That was an issue that Pakistan should had rectified during the start of the year. Now before the world cup you cant just take random risks.

First of all, you cant take 3 leg spinners in your squad. So Shadab, Usama Mir and ABrar in the squad would had not made any sense. Either of Shadab and Nawaz should had been in the squad. Had PCB given a chance to Zafar Gohar during the start of the year, than selecting Zafar Gohar would had made sense. But he ddint get a chance so we dont know if he can bowl well or not in ODIs, and its a big risk. WHat fans on pp want is Imad Wasim. Bhai Nawaz and Imad are same, both cant turn the ball.

Anyways, had PCB tried other spinners during the start of the year it would had helped. Usama Mir only got his chance in the team because SHadab was injured, or else we would had not have an option for another leggie. Again, a left arm spinner was needed for left handed batsman and if Zafar Gohar was not given a chance nor was Asghar given a chance than Nawaz was the safe option.

Its time to come out of your fanboyism and start supporting Pakistan and back these guys. The squad is good.
 
Lost interest already with Barbar picking his go to boys Nawaz, Wasim Jnr, Abdullah & Hassan spray gun Ali

Only way i summarise in 92 Imran picked Inzi 22, Moin 20, Mushy 22 & Aqib 17 only to go on to win. He dropped Sikander, Salim Yusuf & a few others who were his close mates.

Just pray India don’t take us to the cleaners again i can’t afford another TV being smashed again.
Wasim Jr is also beyond my understanding
 
Good selection but I don't like the team (if that makes sense)

Would have liked to see Imad Wasim in place of Mohammad Nawaz, provides more with bat and ball.

I don't get the hype around Abdullah Shafique or Mohammad Wasim, both very inexperienced in 50 over cricket and should have gone with more seasoned players for a big stage event.

Very weak on spinners, Zafar Gohar should have been in the team for a while now and this would have been his time to shine

Hassan Ali will get a few games, pick 1-70 off his 10 overs and injure his neck again doing his lame celebration
 
Yes their are. A raw saim ayub is 10x superior to current form fakhar given his cpl run.

Saud should be slotted in at no 4 but rizwan hogs that slot.

Tayyab should have been our 5. Why is tayyab out when he never got to play a single game?

Imad should have been in place of nawaz.

Shadab shouldn't be in the team, Usama mir and abrar shpuld be the frontline spinners for those tournament.

Don't change the entire squad but go with this line up

1) Saim ayub
2) Rizwan (Can do pretty well as an opener)
3) Babar
4) Saud shakeel
5) Tayyab
6) Chacha/Imad
7) Usama Mir
8) Abrar
9) Abass Afridi/Arshad iqbal/Aamer jamal
10) Rauf
11) Shaheen Shah afridi.

That's a killer lineup right their

You are delusional if you think these players will run rings around Australian, Indian and English batsmen.

They might perform slightly better than our current squad.

There is no evidence that batsmen out of the team are able to lift the team the trophy.
 
Guys shouldn't we let the team perform or not perform first before coming to a conclusion. Many people here are completely writing the team off without them having played their first match.

Same thing I noticed in the 2022 t20 wc when we nearly got out. First be sure that the team is out before hurdling abuses at them. We almost won that World Cup. Don't unnecessarily criticize so much that if the team wins, you won't be able to show your faces to anyone.
Maybe this habit comes from ex-players and the so called journalists in this country.

We have hardly played any ODI cricket in the last 4 years
- One ODI series against Australia in which they sent their B team
- One ODI series against England in which all their players got covid. So an England C team basically
- One ODI series against South Africa in which their main players were playing in the IPL
- Two ODI series against New Zealand in one of which all their main players were playing in the IPL

So it's no surprise that in our first match at this World Cup, we would be playing with majority players that played in the last group match against Bangladesh in 2019

People wanting Saim, Tayyab, Aamer Jamal, Arshad Iqbal need to realize that we haven't played enough ODI cricket to test them. You can't just pick a player and get him to debut in the World Cup.

Trust this management and captain, and hopefully they will do well.

***Haris Sohail should have been there instead of Saud Shakeel who I feel is only there because if he was not, there won't have been even a single player from a particular city. The other 14 have earned their place in the squad.

Hassan Ali looked a better bowler than even Naseem in the LPL, plus has an ICC PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT award. One of the two Pakistanis to have ever received that award.
 
Squad is good. The only people who are unhappy are the fan boys. Fanboys of Amir, Imad, Akmals, Haris Sohail, Sharjeel, Arshad Iqbal etc.

The batting is stable, bowling is also good.

Waseem Jr can bowl reverse swing, and pakistan main issue was middle overs bowling. Hassan Ali is there because Naseem, Ihsanullah, and Hasnain are injured. Now we cant have injured players in the squad. Hassan Ali, Zaman Khan and Shahnawaz were the only options left.

Zaman is still a new bowler that can bowl great at death but still cant bowl in the middle overs. So, i wouldn't have risked him in reserves but I understand why he will be a reserve as he could be needed if our death bowling flops. Arshad Iqbal has no experience, we dont need another Junaid Khan 2011 bowler where the bowler keeps a spot but doesnt play.

Hassan Ali has experience and can bowl with both new and old ball. Under the circumstances he was the best option. Shahnawaz Dhani could also had been considered aswell as he has domestic experience plus has played 3 full seasons of PSL. Bowls abit short in subcontinent that can trouble players.

Issue is spin bowling, i agree. That was an issue that Pakistan should had rectified during the start of the year. Now before the world cup you cant just take random risks.

First of all, you cant take 3 leg spinners in your squad. So Shadab, Usama Mir and ABrar in the squad would had not made any sense. Either of Shadab and Nawaz should had been in the squad. Had PCB given a chance to Zafar Gohar during the start of the year, than selecting Zafar Gohar would had made sense. But he ddint get a chance so we dont know if he can bowl well or not in ODIs, and its a big risk. WHat fans on pp want is Imad Wasim. Bhai Nawaz and Imad are same, both cant turn the ball.

Anyways, had PCB tried other spinners during the start of the year it would had helped. Usama Mir only got his chance in the team because SHadab was injured, or else we would had not have an option for another leggie. Again, a left arm spinner was needed for left handed batsman and if Zafar Gohar was not given a chance nor was Asghar given a chance than Nawaz was the safe option.

Its time to come out of your fanboyism and start supporting Pakistan and back these guys. The squad is good.
Memories of a goldfish - Imad was bashed left, right and centre when he was in the team. Now Imad is a match-winner lol.

Random names being thrown around - Zafar Gohar hasn’t played international cricket in so long, why is his name being thrown about?

Fans don’t have the guts to realize that barring 3-4 players, we do not have world class cricketers in our team anymore.
 
Considering Inzamam’s best World Cup was when he was a rookie—he has a surprising reliance on “seniors” when picking tournament teams.

-Zaman should be in directly instead of Hassan Ali. He’s a yorker-dealing death bowler and we don’t have a good death unit right now without Naseem.

-Abrar should be in instead of Usama Mir. Who is a decent spinner but not even better than Shadab on most days. Abrar is a different bowler altogether and could’ve been the surprise element.

- There is no middle order except for Iftikhar. Saud Shakeel hasn’t been given enough game time. Abdullah Shafique has played all of 8 List As without much performance. Yes, he’s technically gifted but ODIs need experience in innings building and pacing. You don’t need another top order batter anyway, if anyone gets injured just moved the entire order up by one. You have 4 openers in Imam, Fakhar, Babar and Rizwan.

- Salman Agha isn’t better than Imad Wasim if they were going with experience. Imad’s batting game has upped insanely and he’s a genuine bowler. Agha is neither. Don’t get his worth to the team when you already have Nawaz, Shadab, Ifti etc.

Overall, this is a team less than the sum of its parts. You have some brilliance at both ends but that’s it.
 
Memories of a goldfish - Imad was bashed left, right and centre when he was in the team. Now Imad is a match-winner lol.

Random names being thrown around - Zafar Gohar hasn’t played international cricket in so long, why is his name being thrown about?

Fans don’t have the guts to realize that barring 3-4 players, we do not have world class cricketers in our team anymore.
Imad was near the top of the ODI allrounders/bowlers list when he was kicked off the team. He has an ODI economy of 4.88 and a T20I economy of less than 6.50–so not sure who was bashing him anywhere.
 
You are delusional if you think these players will run rings around Australian, Indian and English batsmen.

They might perform slightly better than our current squad.

There is no evidence that batsmen out of the team are able to lift the team the trophy.
Who said anything about winning 😂😂. I am well aware other teams are not halwa lol.

My point is we can take a better squad that can give us chances to compete.

With shadab, Fakhar, nawaz, Agha, Hasan Ali, Waseem and Chacha we are shooting ourselves in the kneecaps and the hands lol.

All I care about is selecting a team that deserves to be selected. Like it or not fakhar is out of form. We need an aggressive left hand opener who is inform as a replacement, and we gave that in saim ayub who while raw has an insanely high ceiling and is in Red hot form as shown in cpl.

Saud is a vital no 4 bat, I'd advocate him to be our no 3 but babar ain't going anywhere, however rizwan occupies the no 4 spot unfortunately.

So on and so forth. I'm advocating our current squad of misfits to ve removed for inform players.

Baki who wins and loses depends on the game of cricket to be played.
 
Wasim jnr for what ? Fakhar is being treated as golden boy had it been other player who flopped in so many games he would have been booted out .
 
Admittedly, I'm a huge Babar fan, but more importantly, I also like to think I'm not an absolute moron.

This squad is a complete and abject failure. The simple reason Pakistan only has three world titles, instead of say, 8-9, is solely due to conservatism that seems embedded in our psyche (AKA, "lets not rock the boat before major tournaments"). I'm genuinely curious if someone can explain how Pakistan systematically manages to be the only country on Earth that meanders for years in between tournaments, wins useless bilaterals, to only then run into disarray weeks prior to a major tournament, and ultimately, pick the same squad responsible for said disarray.

Make no mistake, this is a team of Babar and his social media besties, and not the best Pakistan XI. For God's sake, Hassan Ali is the only substantive change? If Haris or Shaheen get hurt, we're looking at an attack comprised of both Hassan and Wasim Jr.: this is 180+ runs guaranteed to the opposition - these two will get butchered on those tracks. A batting order consisting of Imam, Fakhar, Agha, Shadab, while the likes Saim, Azam, Moh'd Haris are just withering away? And please don't bother with the usual "let's just back the boys," "we can't bring in new guys so close to the tournament," or "we can't just bring back Imad and Amir" - WHY NOT? They are literally performing all over the world, but no, let's back Salman Agha...WTH. The only thing more disappointing than Pakistan conservatism is Pakistan expecting miracles on a template of tried, tested failures. The most ironic part is that our "arch-rivals" India suffered on this exact same template for a decade, with a ODI squad routinely comprised of household names, instead of limited-overs matchwinners. It took Dhoni to come in and "rock the boat" by picking unknown players like Kohli, Dhawan, Bhuvi, etc.

Also, an honest question, what is the point of the Selection Committee? Instead of big sweeping changes after the Asia Cup debacle and a "thorough reviw," all we heard about was Hafeez quitting, Inzi being MIA because he wanted more money, and boardroom leaks. Net result: wait for it...THE SAME SQUAD.

I can't wait for (in order): (i) Pakistan to beat up on a few minnows, (ii) Pakistan fans believing "this is the year," (iii) Pakistan fans making delusional, unhinged comparisons to '92, (iv) only for Pakistan to bottle it in the knockouts, (v) followed by the Pakistan team posting "apology" photos on Instagram, saying we are a "family," and posting a selfie with Kohli.

And yes, when when the above blueprint unfolds exactly as it's laid out, please do come back, and upvote this comment even further.

Until then, here's to a few weeks of delusion! #SMDH.
 
Wasim jnr for what ? Fakhar is being treated as golden boy had it been other player who flopped in so many games he would have been booted out .
They would’ve picked Hasnain or Ihsanullah if possible. But they’re injured. Wasim Jnr is at best a back up option—that too because of his recent experience. Zaman should be ahead of him.
 
I have not seen much of Saud or Abdullah in ODIs but they seem to be entirely one-dimensional and timid batsmen. Don't get me wrong, both are classy and will go down as one of Pakistan's best ever Test batsmen ...but in the ODI side over Saim Ayub or even Mo Haris? What an absolute farce.
Abdullah one dimensional? Have you seen his batting in PSL, that guy knows all the zones and is a quality bat. See his innings against Sri Lanka.

Saud is a quality quality player, he knows how to hit fast in tests let alone ODIs. Both should be in the playing 11 from match 1.
 
Also Fakhar needs to deliver especially in 2 of the games vs England, India, SA and Australia. We've invested so much into him needs to deliver now.
 
Yeah M Haris is totally to blame here. He got a chance in one game. He was scheduled to open, then last minute pushed down to no.5. How dare he not perform.

Even when I bat in the nets, I look a million dollar.
Fair enough, we didn’t plan properly or give enough chances to fringe players.

That being said Haris didn’t make the most of his limited opportunity but Abdullah Shafique did.

It’s harsh but it is what it is.
 
I hope the ladoo bowler Hassan Ali doesn't play, if he does, hopefully that should be it, I will eat my words if he is shows any worthwhile performance against SENA and India, not against stats pedling teams.
 
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