[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Pakistani woman held over alleged blasphemy after mob attack for dress in Lahore

[YousafTheBeast]

Pakistani’s in general are cowards, no different to the Indian mobs. Just now we’re seeing a mob gathered somewhere in Punjab because a woman was apparently wearing a dress with Islamic verses on it.

Your country has been taken from you by the US backed military, but you’re more concerned about what a woman wears? What a joke.

 

[Kianig89]

Pakistani’s in general are cowards, no different to the Indian mobs. Just now we’re seeing a mob gathered somewhere in Punjab because a woman was apparently wearing a dress with Islamic verses on it.

Your country has been taken from you by the US backed military, but you’re more concerned about what a woman wears? What a joke.

Kudos to that lady ASP for protecting that lady from those vultures

 

[Cricket Warrior]

A woman in Lahore's Ichra area was taken into custody after a mob claimed that her digitally printed outfit allegedly had Quranic verses, deeming it blasphemous. The incident was reported by Pakistani media on Sunday however the police intervened and took her into custody.

Do you think this behavior was appropriate towards the lady?

 

[sweep_shot]

She shouldn't have been harassed like this.

If she has committed any offense, let authority handle it. Mob violence is not right.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Pakistanis are the most passionate Muslims in the World, always ready to kill or get killed to defend the honour of Islam.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

She shouldn't have been harassed like this.

If she has committed any offense, let authority handle it. Mob violence is not right.

True!

Here in Pakistan people get overly excited about such things even though i m sure many of them may not have offered their prayers for the day. Yet in these activities they participate as if they are the sole guardians of the religion.

 

[shortbread]

Doubt if most of them can even read what's written.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

She shouldn't have been harassed like this.

If she has committed any offense, let authority handle it. Mob violence is not right.

Has she committed any offence ?

 

[Suleiman]

Complete idiots.

These clowns are no different than the Khawarij during the times of the sahaba who killed actual companions of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH by being overly zealous and lacking severely in knowledge about Islam and accusing everyone of being blasphemous. It’s the same nonsense we see today. This is not a new phenomenon.

You don’t just go up to people and act like this.

Unfortunately, every other jahil in that country thinks he’s a thekedar about Islamic law even though they do all sorts of things behind closed doors.

The cure to this is education in worldly affairs as well as religious.

Instead of making women feel safe they keep them in constant fight or flight mode. Shame on you. Clueless about the faith that you claim to follow.

 

[Suleiman]

Doubt if most of them can even read what's written.

Exactly.

Most of these low lives have no life and are just looking for trouble.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Poor and unfortunate incident.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistanis are the most passionate Muslims in the World, always ready to kill or get killed to defend the honour of Islam.

Mob violence is a cultural leftover from the Indian subcontinent, it often carries a religious flavour even if the religion itself has a penal code to be followed. This is hindu culture (not hindu religion).

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pakistanis are the most passionate Muslims in the World, always ready to kill or get killed to defend the honour of Islam.

Always ready to do as you say but never ready to follow the teachings!

 

[Major]

The outfit that the women was wearing had arabic written on it. People started to attack her and claimed that quranic verses were written and the women had committed blasphemy

The clothing shop keepers intervened and said its just a arabic calligraphy and its a design. They gave the women protection in the shop until the police reached.

Turned out, the arabic words were just harmless words like beautiful.

The women did not commit any crime, yet was forced to apologise today and mention that she was a sunni muslim.

The female ASP came at the right time to help this women out

I am very disgusted about this event and is the result of the political and army landscape that they have created by all parties using religion and making the society a mess

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Mob violence is a cultural leftover from the Indian subcontinent, it often carries a religious flavour even if the religion itself has a penal code to be followed. This is hindu culture (not hindu religion).

What does islamic extremism have to do with hindu culture eh, trying to deflect the blame on to India again huh.

The extremist saudi funded maulvis who urge thier millions of jaahil fanatics to go and attack innocent hindus and sikhs.

Never knew that islamic blasphemy laws were hindu culture but whatever helps you cope

 

[Major]

Mob violence is a cultural leftover from the Indian subcontinent, it often carries a religious flavour even if the religion itself has a penal code to be followed. This is hindu culture (not hindu religion).

Stop blaming other religions or cultures plz.

This is our own problem, stop spreading your hindu/indian hate in every thread and than hijacking the whole discussion.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What does islamic extremism have to do with hindu culture eh, trying to deflect the blame on to India again huh.

The extremist saudi funded maulvis who urge thier millions of jaahil fanatics to go and attack innocent hindus and sikhs.

Never knew that islamic blasphemy laws were hindu culture but whatever helps you cope

It is part of hindutva ideology that hinduism is not a religion but a culture unique to the region. Mob violence over rule of law is also part of the culture, we see it across the whole of the subcontinent, I don't know how you can fail to acknowledge it.

Islam has Shariah which is the penal code, for good or bad. Mob violence is not allowed in Islam.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Stop blaming other religions or cultures plz.

This is our own problem, stop spreading your hindu/indian hate in every thread and than hijacking the whole discussion.

See above reply. Are these Pakistanis following Shariah law or local mob culture which is endemic throughout the region? A simple yes or no answer please.

 

[Asad T]

Anyone who can read the quran would know that the words on her dress were not from the quran lollll
the mobsters should be arrested

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Anyone who can read the quran would know that the words on her dress were not from the quran lollll
the mobsters should be arrested

Absolutely. These are crazed hoodlums who have no respect for law and order.

 

[ex-q-zit]

It is part of hindutva ideology that hinduism is not a religion but a culture unique to the region. Mob violence over rule of law is also part of the culture, we see it across the whole of the subcontinent, I don't know how you can fail to acknowledge it.

Islam has Shariah which is the penal code, for good or bad. Mob violence is not allowed in Islam.

Completely agree with you. Most sensible post which desreves POTW. I am sure the below mentioned mob in Nigeria too had hindu culture influence. There is no way it would have happened otherwise.

Outrage After Nigerian Accused of Blasphemy is Stoned to Death

Death sparks outrage sparking outrage from activists, worries about growing threats to religious freedom

www.voanews.com

 

[FearlessRoar]

Timely action by police saved a teenage girl wearing a dress with Arabic calligraphy printed on it from attack by a charged mob, alleging she committed blasphemy, in the crowded Ichra Bazaar here on Sunday.

The situation turned ugly after someone alleged that the girl`s dress was bearing Quranic verses.

However, some shopkeepers defended the girl and sheltered her in a shop, telling the mob it was just an Arabic calligraphy print.

As per eyewitnesses, most of the charged people in the mob were either customers, visitors or passersby and the garment traders who rescued the girl were aware of the clothing with Arabic calligraphy print avaiable in the market.

A video clip taking rounds on social media shows the girl hid-ing in a shop shivering with fear of being attacked by the mob on blasphemy charge, an allegation that resulted in public lynching in many incidents in the past across the country.

The footage showed the girl denying the allegations of insulting religion, saying she has done nothing intentionally as the clothing with Arabic calligraphy was commonly wore in Gulf states, including Saudi Arabia.

Theshopkeepersalsoendorsed her views saying the industry has encouraged clothes carrying Islamic/Arabic calligraphy and the alphabets and words on her shirt had nothing to do with the holy verses.

The witnesses says that though after the traders` explanation, the mob got divided into groups having different views, still some charged zealots kept on insisting on `blasphemy` charge.

On this, the witnesses say, oneof the traders called the police to avert any untoward incident resulting in harm to the girl.

Meanwhile, some police officials reached the spot and sensingthatithasbeenturnedinto a sensitive issue, reported it to their high-ups who ordered them to act quickly and rescue the girl to avoid any untoward incident.

A police team engaged the crowed and some officials took the girl into protective custody and shifted her to the police station amid heightened security measures.

Senior police officers also reached the police station and inquired abouttheincident.

They examined the dress and then briefed the charged crowed that the girl has not violated or disrespected the religion.

Another social media footage shows Gulber Circle ASP Shehr Bano addressing the mob and trying to convince them that no blas-phemous act had been committed by the girl.

`During my service, I have handled three such incidents, and you should have trust in us [police], she could be heard telling the mob. She then covered up the girl and personally escorted her out of the crowd, the clip shows.

The police officers explained that the meaning of one of a word `Halwa` written in Arabic calligraphy on the dress the girl was wearing was not a holy word.

During an hour or so custody of the terrified girl, ASP Gulberg circle briefed the media persons that the alphabets on the shirt the teenage girl was wearing have nothing to do with Quranic verses.

The girl in her statement strongly rejected the allegations of committing blasphemy, saying she could not even think of disrespecting Islam as she was from a religious family.

Dawn

Feb 26, 2024 | Girl in Arabic print shirt saved from mob by police

epaper.dawn.com

 

[FearlessRoar]

This society certainly needs education and calmness.

 

[sweep_shot]

They examined the dress and then briefed the charged crowed that the girl has not violated or disrespected the religion.

As expected, there was nothing wrong with the dress.

Those who harassed the lady should be arrested.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Completely agree with you. Most sensible post which desreves POTW. I am sure the below mentioned mob in Nigeria too had hindu culture influence. There is no way it would have happened otherwise.

Outrage After Nigerian Accused of Blasphemy is Stoned to Death

Death sparks outrage sparking outrage from activists, worries about growing threats to religious freedom

www.voanews.com

This does show that mob violence is a third world phenomenon where lack of education and respect for procedure of law are rampant. But we literally have a hindu temple which was raised on a site where a historic mosque was demolished by rampaging mobs in India. The govt has OFFICIALLY rubber stamped this outcome. A govt which rose to power on the promise of hindutva. Is there any other part of the world where mob violence is officially sanctioned and rewarded by the state?

 

[Hitman]

This does show that mob violence is a third world phenomenon where lack of education and respect for procedure of law are rampant. But we literally have a hindu temple which was raised on a site where a historic mosque was demolished by rampaging mobs in India. The govt has OFFICIALLY rubber stamped this outcome. A govt which rose to power on the promise of hindutva. Is there any other part of the world where mob violence is officially sanctioned and rewarded by the state?

Could it be that the problem lies with a certain section or category of people?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Timely action by police saved a teenage girl wearing a dress with Arabic calligraphy printed on it from attack by a charged mob, alleging she committed blasphemy, in the crowded Ichra Bazaar here on Sunday.

The situation turned ugly after someone alleged that the girl`s dress was bearing Quranic verses.

However, some shopkeepers defended the girl and sheltered her in a shop, telling the mob it was just an Arabic calligraphy print.

As per eyewitnesses, most of the charged people in the mob were either customers, visitors or passersby and the garment traders who rescued the girl were aware of the clothing with Arabic calligraphy print avaiable in the market.

A video clip taking rounds on social media shows the girl hid-ing in a shop shivering with fear of being attacked by the mob on blasphemy charge, an allegation that resulted in public lynching in many incidents in the past across the country.

The footage showed the girl denying the allegations of insulting religion, saying she has done nothing intentionally as the clothing with Arabic calligraphy was commonly wore in Gulf states, including Saudi Arabia.

Theshopkeepersalsoendorsed her views saying the industry has encouraged clothes carrying Islamic/Arabic calligraphy and the alphabets and words on her shirt had nothing to do with the holy verses.

The witnesses says that though after the traders` explanation, the mob got divided into groups having different views, still some charged zealots kept on insisting on `blasphemy` charge.

On this, the witnesses say, oneof the traders called the police to avert any untoward incident resulting in harm to the girl.

Meanwhile, some police officials reached the spot and sensingthatithasbeenturnedinto a sensitive issue, reported it to their high-ups who ordered them to act quickly and rescue the girl to avoid any untoward incident.

A police team engaged the crowed and some officials took the girl into protective custody and shifted her to the police station amid heightened security measures.

Senior police officers also reached the police station and inquired abouttheincident.

They examined the dress and then briefed the charged crowed that the girl has not violated or disrespected the religion.

Another social media footage shows Gulber Circle ASP Shehr Bano addressing the mob and trying to convince them that no blas-phemous act had been committed by the girl.

`During my service, I have handled three such incidents, and you should have trust in us [police], she could be heard telling the mob. She then covered up the girl and personally escorted her out of the crowd, the clip shows.

The police officers explained that the meaning of one of a word `Halwa` written in Arabic calligraphy on the dress the girl was wearing was not a holy word.

During an hour or so custody of the terrified girl, ASP Gulberg circle briefed the media persons that the alphabets on the shirt the teenage girl was wearing have nothing to do with Quranic verses.

The girl in her statement strongly rejected the allegations of committing blasphemy, saying she could not even think of disrespecting Islam as she was from a religious family.

Dawn

Feb 26, 2024 | Girl in Arabic print shirt saved from mob by police

epaper.dawn.com

Good to see that both traders nearby and the police confronted the jahil mob instead of standing by silently and letting the animals run the zoo as we have seen on other occasions in the subcontinent.

Respect.
The.
LAW.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Could it be that the problem lies with a certain section or category of people?

No, we also get Muslims indulging in similar behaviour, it seems to be the indiginous culture to run riot and demolish places of worship. Muslims also cling to caste bias in Pakistan, so it shows that the prevailing culture runs deep in the veins over and above religious sensibilities.

 

[CricketCartoons]

No, we also get Muslims indulging in similar behaviour, it seems to be the indiginous culture to run riot and demolish places of worship. Muslims also cling to caste bias in Pakistan, so it shows that the prevailing culture runs deep in the veins over and above religious sensibilities.

Indians learnt this culture from muslim invaders. One of the good things they learnt from them.

 

[ex-q-zit]

This does show that mob violence is a third world phenomenon where lack of education and respect for procedure of law are rampant. But we literally have a hindu temple which was raised on a site where a historic mosque was demolished by rampaging mobs in India. The govt has OFFICIALLY rubber stamped this outcome. A govt which rose to power on the promise of hindutva. Is there any other part of the world where mob violence is officially sanctioned and rewarded by the state?

Dont shift goal posts. First you blamed it on hindu culture and when given example outside sub continent you shift the blame to third world phenomenon. Can you stop bringing India/Hindu Culture in this and address teh elephant in the room with a clear consious. If you cannot its fine good luck to you.

 

[Varun]

No, we also get Muslims indulging in similar behaviour, it seems to be the indiginous culture to run riot and demolish places of worship. Muslims also cling to caste bias in Pakistan, so it shows that the prevailing culture runs deep in the veins over and above religious sensibilities.

Don't pelt mud on all your fellow Muslims either. Always ask yourself - "would the OG Muslims - the Saudi Arabians - do such a thing?" 90% of the time, the answer is a firm NO. So there is no need for Pakistanis to pretend to be more loyal than the king.

If only you can use even half this jazba in things that matter - such as getting Imran Khan out of prison and back to his children in the UK, say, then you can channel it in the right direction.

 

[gazza619]

Disgusting men and they will all rot in hell big time.

 

[Champ_Pal]

This is like Christians in India getting upset over something written in Latin or Greek.

 

[gani999]

The outfit that the women was wearing had arabic written on it. People started to attack her and claimed that quranic verses were written and the women had committed blasphemy

The clothing shop keepers intervened and said its just a arabic calligraphy and its a design. They gave the women protection in the shop until the police reached.

Turned out, the arabic words were just harmless words like beautiful.

The women did not commit any crime, yet was forced to apologise today and mention that she was a sunni muslim.

The female ASP came at the right time to help this women out

I am very disgusted about this event and is the result of the political and army landscape that they have created by all parties using religion and making the society a mess

What you say is true but let me play devil's advocate here.

The lady is a local Pakistani. She should have known that Arabic script is likely to be misinterpreted as verses from the Quran, given that most commoners in Pakistan cannot read Arabic but a lot of them associate it with Islam and the Quran. She really should have been on her guard and not worn that dress in public.
Besides did the lady herself know what was written in Arabic on her dress? It is not really a great idea to wear something which has stuff written on it in a language one cannot read.

I'm all for women wearing what they please, but one has to watch out for what could possibly go wrong. It is not possible to change the society one lives in.

 

[Stewie]

What you say is true but let me play devil's advocate here.

The lady is a local Pakistani. She should have known that Arabic script is likely to be misinterpreted as verses from the Quran, given that most commoners in Pakistan cannot read Arabic but a lot of them associate it with Islam and the Quran. She really should have been on her guard and not worn that dress in public.
Besides did the lady herself know what was written in Arabic on her dress? It is not really a great idea to wear something which has stuff written on it in a language one cannot read.

I'm all for women wearing what they please, but one has to watch out for what could possibly go wrong. It is not possible to change the society one lives in.

Obviously, you have not been to Pakistan. The perception created by India is stuff like this is common place in Pakistan. The truth is contrary to this perception. Most Pakistanis tend to be liberal and mind their own business. And have enough common sense to not take every written piece of written arabic as religious script.

My best guess is that in this case, it was a combination of bad time and place. Some religious zealot, like the ones sitting with her in one of the videos circulated around happned to be there and was in need of public and political exposure and decided to take advantage of this opportunity to gain 15 minutes of fame. Unless you have the bad elements to cause such incitement, Pakistanis have too many other things to be worrying about right now than this ridiculous stuff.

 

[Mamoon]

One of the many examples of why Pakistan is the worst nation on earth by far.

 

[Major]

What you say is true but let me play devil's advocate here.

The lady is a local Pakistani. She should have known that Arabic script is likely to be misinterpreted as verses from the Quran, given that most commoners in Pakistan cannot read Arabic but a lot of them associate it with Islam and the Quran. She really should have been on her guard and not worn that dress in public.
Besides did the lady herself know what was written in Arabic on her dress? It is not really a great idea to wear something which has stuff written on it in a language one cannot read.

I'm all for women wearing what they please, but one has to watch out for what could possibly go wrong. It is not possible to change the society one lives in.

Pakistani men once got offended that Pepsi had a QR code that looked like as if Muhammad was written in arabic.

are you gonna lecture us now that QR code should not be used?

Arabic is a language. The issue is not with the women its with the men.

This problem would not have existed in KPK, Sindh or Baluchistan. Such issues mostly exists in Punjab because of TLP

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Dont shift goal posts. First you blamed it on hindu culture and when given example outside sub continent you shift the blame to third world phenomenon. Can you stop bringing India/Hindu Culture in this and address teh elephant in the room with a clear consious. If you cannot its fine good luck to you.

The culture of the subcontinent is to riot on religious issues, I actually was very careful not to offend hindu religious sentimentality by pinning this on hindu culture, the culture of the subcontinent. By acknowledging that third world countries have a penchant for such behaviour I just showed you that I am open minded enough to acknowledge it is not limited to the subcontinent.

Indians want to take credit for good things in their culture like tandoori chicken and naan bread, they also need to take responsibility for the bad. The leader of their country got to the seat of power on the back of riots and mob led demolition of places of worship. This is just a fact, we shouldn't condone police not implementing the law, whether it is India or Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don't pelt mud on all your fellow Muslims either. Always ask yourself - "would the OG Muslims - the Saudi Arabians - do such a thing?" 90% of the time, the answer is a firm NO. So there is no need for Pakistanis to pretend to be more loyal than the king.

If only you can use even half this jazba in things that matter - such as getting Imran Khan out of prison and back to his children in the UK, say, then you can channel it in the right direction.

Mobs would never dare to riot in Saudi Arabia because taking the law into your own hands is not looked on kindly over there. It's not a country I would want to live in, but you have to reluctantly accept they take law and order seriously.

 

[Mamoon]

The culture of the subcontinent is to riot on religious issues, I actually was very careful not to offend hindu religious sentimentality by pinning this on hindu culture, the culture of the subcontinent. By acknowledging that third world countries have a penchant for such behaviour I just showed you that I am open minded enough to acknowledge it is not limited to the subcontinent.

Indians want to take credit for good things in their culture like tandoori chicken and naan bread, they also need to take responsibility for the bad. The leader of their country got to the seat of power on the back of riots and mob led demolition of places of worship. This is just a fact, we shouldn't condone police not implementing the law, whether it is India or Pakistan.

While I respect the fact that Modi lives in your head rent-free, the fact is that Pakistan has been an extremist, intolerant nation when Modi was in his diapers. It is just that in the last 10 years, India is slowly catching up to Pakistan in terms of extremism and intolerance, but bear in mind that in spite of slowly catching up, they are still a million miles away because is in a league of its own when it comes to extremism, intolerance and violence.

By far the worst nation on earth by some distance. The world would have been a much better and happier place without its existence.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

they also need to take responsibility for the bad. The leader of their country got to the seat of power on the back of riots and mob led demolition of places of worship. This is just a fact, we shouldn't condone police not implementing the law, whether it is India or Pakistan.

True, I remember how Pakistan was a bastion of tolerance and religious freedom before evil modi came along

Never forget dear old Zia, the guy really loved secularism

 

[Statpadder Inc]

The sindhi hindus who got chased out of Pakistan by Islamc extremist back in when Modi was an infant was actually the fault of Hindutva

Wah re Wah

Not that Pakistan is a religiously extremist 3rd world country

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Clothing brand's response -

We use arabic words and letters in different fonts everywhere since its our language!

 

[sweep_shot]

Not that Pakistan is a religiously extremist 3rd world country

Is modern day India not a religiously extremist 3rd world country also?

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Is modern day India not a religiously extremist 3rd world country also?

It is, but a 100 times better than Pakistan

 

[Champ_Pal]

The question should be, if they can't read Arabic, how are they reading Quran and praying 5 times everyday?

 

[Asad T]

Guys let's keep it on topic, if you want to talk about india-pak politics, etc you can take it in the other relevant threads

 

[Mamoon]

The question should be, if they can't read Arabic, how are they reading Quran and praying 5 times everyday?

99% of Pakistani (that includes myself) can read Arabic but we can’t understand what we are reading. Similarly, we have memorized a few verses - or in some cases, the entire Quran - but we don’t know what they mean unless we read it’s English or Urdu translation.

Yes I know, we are a very funny nation.

 

[sweep_shot]

The question should be, if they can't read Arabic, how are they reading Quran and praying 5 times everyday?

For salah, A Muslim does not have to understand everything for salah to be valid. He just has to recite those correctly. If he understands those, that's better obviously.

I can read Arabic and Quran (which is in Arabic) but I don't understand Arabic. I need translation to understand.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

99% of Pakistani (that includes myself) can read Arabic but we can’t understand what we are reading. Similarly, we have memorized a few verses - or in some cases, the entire Quran - but we don’t know what they mean unless we read it’s English or Urdu translation.

Yes I know, we are a very funny nation.

Well that goes for 80%+ of the Muslim world.

Yet riots aren't common for these types of things.

The issue isn't to do with a lack of understanding of Arabic. It is an issue that is unique to Pakistan.

 

[Champ_Pal]

For salah, a Muslim does not have to understand everything for salah to be valid. He just has to recite those correctly. If he understands those, that's better obviously.

I can read Arabic and Quran (which is in Arabic) but I don't understand Arabic. I need translation to understand.

If a Muslim is able to read Arabic, then he would know if something written on a paper or cloth is from Quran or not. In this case, it is clear that none of her attackers could read Arabic.

 

[Kroll]

I understand it was the Tehreek-e-Labaik Pakistan who instigated this. Its these loonies that need to be eradicated from the society.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Well holy book of Sikhs is written in a unique blend of Farsi and Sanskrit, very little modern day spoken Hindi or Punjabi.

Bhagwat Geeta is also written in Sanskrit.

Problem is not Pakistani's understanding Arabic, Problem is Muslims insist on reading Quran only in Arabic.

 

[JaDed]

Well that goes for 80%+ of the Muslim world.

Yet riots aren't common for these types of things.

The issue isn't to do with a lack of understanding of Arabic. It is an issue that is unique to Pakistan.

Majority Muslims nations aren’t as ethnically diverse as Pakistan or as populated.

Even if they come close to diversity they have higher per capita income.
only modern Tolerant Muslim societies that come to mind are Malaysia and Indonesia and both are again not that diverse ethnically.

 

[Major]

@Cpt. Rishwat

Before blaming mob mentality on Hindus or Indians, one should take a walk through Pakistan's history and than conclude whether a religious mob in Pakistan is due to Hindus sitting in India or Pakistanis themselves.

Forming a mob is not something that is part of genetics, so lets defeat the Indian connotation that you are trying to link.

The reason for this mob is our history, in which Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Zia ul haq, Imran Khan and the Army have played a role.

When Bhutto decided to appease mullahs by defining who was a muslim and who was not in the constitution, he ended up making a grave mistake that even trying to rectify it could get one killed. Later Zia ul haq would than add an Anti Ahmadiyya ordinance which prohibited Ahmadis from preaching or professing their beliefs. The fact that defining a muslim was bad enough, Zia made it a crime for Ahmadi's to even have a belief.

Bhutto did it because he was trying to appease a group mullahs that were ready to over throw the govt of Bhutto. This group was largely backed by the establishment at the time that looked for a way to make a dent on Bhutto's popularity.

While Zia did it as he beliefed that only Sunni version of islam could exist only. Infact, for him, being a Shia was a crime.

By now, (if anyone is reading), you must be thinking what the Ahamdiyya issue has to do with this, but truth is, mob lynching in the name of Islam in Pakistan is more related to the Ahmadiyya issue rather than Hindus of India.

Now along the way in our history, we saw blasphemy take place worldwide, with Pakistanis muslims getting offended, doing a protest in Pakistan while blasphemy would take place in a country like Denmark. If the blasphemer was to die, his death would be celebrated in our society.

That came one of the biggest cases of Paksitan, the case where Salman Taseer decided to call out the blasphemy law as a black law and defended a poor girl who was charged under that law. Salman Taseer would end up getting killed by his own security personal named Mumtaz Qadri. Qadri would than be celebrated as a celebrity as people thought he achieved a big feat by taking the law in his own hands.

Qadri was a celebrity in Adyalla Jail aswell, and was a source of inspiration for many people in Pakistan. The jailers also treated him favourably as alot of people thought he committed a good dead.

When Qadri was hanged, and his funeral was attended by millions of people from all over Pakistan, that was a day that sent down chills about where Pakistan was headed towards. It meant alot of people supported the narrative of taking the laws in there own hands.

This is exactly what would take place as more cases would come forward where alleged blasphemers would be killed as people thought taking the laws in your hand in this case was really important and that prophet/allahs/quran honor should be defended by mere humans.

Than came the 2018 election build up. The army was desperate to bring PMLN down and bring Imran in power. So this is when they created a small group called TLP. TLP's motto or ideology is to defend the fact that Prophet Muhammad was the last prophet and no other prophet came after him. Anyone who doubts that, utters a bad word against him should be killed on the spot.

This unknown party would be formed in Punjab, but its support would only grow through the actions of our army and imran's govt.

When Ahsan Iqbal decided to remove the condition of believing in the finality of the prophethood as a requirement in Pakistan, the army saw a chance to destabilize the PMLN govt. TLP got aggrevated by this action of the Govt and decided to have a national wide protest where they would march up to the main entry point of Islamabad and block off the entrance to the city for everyone. This action may cost millions of rupees to the economy, but they did not care.

Now such actions can be controlled from happening, if the govt tells the army to intervene and remove such a blockade. However, the army stood by and allowed TLP to take Islamabad as its hostage. THis continued for weeks and schools and businesses were being shutdown in Islamabad due to this. The Govt asked army to intervene, instead the army made the infamous statement that "how can we beat our brothers?".

The PMLN govt fell into the pressure and had to reverse the amendments they made. When the Pakistani public saw this TLP group being succesfully in getting there demands fulfilled, the support grew. People celebrated it as if the honor of the prophet had been defended. The army gave out money to the protestors, videos of this is available on the internet.

This action empowered TLP more. While PMLN was destabilized and it made them look bad infront of the public and lost more support.

Than came the PTI govt. Imran would made an economic council where Atif Mian, a ahmadi, was added. This again would result in a protest all over Pakistan by the TLP who were once against blocking the entry point of Islamabad. Imran was quick in removing Atif Mian from the post, and behold TLP was seen as the champions of Islam in the eyes of the nation. This empowered the TLP even further which increased its numbers

Than from 2018 onwards, the mob against blasphemers and ahamadiyya sect grew with each month a crime being reported. We even saw a Sri Lankan factory worker getting killed aswell.

The TLP had by now become a famous group that advocates for such action and today TLP's posters are posted all around Punjab, where they have also come in third position in many major areas of Punjab during the election.

Today, this mob exists due to TLP who have been empowered with the actions of our govt and establishment. Each time the results went in there favor they have been empowered and there supporters see them as a group of people that can take things in there own hand and get things done. Our govt and establishment in the hopes of destabilizing the govt of the opposition have ended up only destabilizing the country either through appeasement or through using religion as a tool.

So instead of blaming the hindus or India, its always nice looking back at your own history and knowing from where it all started and where we are standing today

 

[rickroll]

@Cpt. Rishwat

Before blaming mob mentality on Hindus or Indians, one should take a walk through Pakistan's history and than conclude whether a religious mob in Pakistan is due to Hindus sitting in India or Pakistanis themselves.

Forming a mob is not something that is part of genetics, so lets defeat the Indian connotation that you are trying to link.

The reason for this mob is our history, in which Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Zia ul haq, Imran Khan and the Army have played a role.

When Bhutto decided to appease mullahs by defining who was a muslim and who was not in the constitution, he ended up making a grave mistake that even trying to rectify it could get one killed. Later Zia ul haq would than add an Anti Ahmadiyya ordinance which prohibited Ahmadis from preaching or professing their beliefs. The fact that defining a muslim was bad enough, Zia made it a crime for Ahmadi's to even have a belief.

Bhutto did it because he was trying to appease a group mullahs that were ready to over throw the govt of Bhutto. This group was largely backed by the establishment at the time that looked for a way to make a dent on Bhutto's popularity.

While Zia did it as he beliefed that only Sunni version of islam could exist only. Infact, for him, being a Shia was a crime.

By now, (if anyone is reading), you must be thinking what the Ahamdiyya issue has to do with this, but truth is, mob lynching in the name of Islam in Pakistan is more related to the Ahmadiyya issue rather than Hindus of India.

Now along the way in our history, we saw blasphemy take place worldwide, with Pakistanis muslims getting offended, doing a protest in Pakistan while blasphemy would take place in a country like Denmark. If the blasphemer was to die, his death would be celebrated in our society.

That came one of the biggest cases of Paksitan, the case where Salman Taseer decided to call out the blasphemy law as a black law and defended a poor girl who was charged under that law. Salman Taseer would end up getting killed by his own security personal named Mumtaz Qadri. Qadri would than be celebrated as a celebrity as people thought he achieved a big feat by taking the law in his own hands.

Qadri was a celebrity in Adyalla Jail aswell, and was a source of inspiration for many people in Pakistan. The jailers also treated him favourably as alot of people thought he committed a good dead.

When Qadri was hanged, and his funeral was attended by millions of people from all over Pakistan, that was a day that sent down chills about where Pakistan was headed towards. It meant alot of people supported the narrative of taking the laws in there own hands.

This is exactly what would take place as more cases would come forward where alleged blasphemers would be killed as people thought taking the laws in your hand in this case was really important and that prophet/allahs/quran honor should be defended by mere humans.

Than came the 2018 election build up. The army was desperate to bring PMLN down and bring Imran in power. So this is when they created a small group called TLP. TLP's motto or ideology is to defend the fact that Prophet Muhammad was the last prophet and no other prophet came after him. Anyone who doubts that, utters a bad word against him should be killed on the spot.

This unknown party would be formed in Punjab, but its support would only grow through the actions of our army and imran's govt.

When Ahsan Iqbal decided to remove the condition of believing in the finality of the prophethood as a requirement in Pakistan, the army saw a chance to destabilize the PMLN govt. TLP got aggrevated by this action of the Govt and decided to have a national wide protest where they would march up to the main entry point of Islamabad and block off the entrance to the city for everyone. This action may cost millions of rupees to the economy, but they did not care.

Now such actions can be controlled from happening, if the govt tells the army to intervene and remove such a blockade. However, the army stood by and allowed TLP to take Islamabad as its hostage. THis continued for weeks and schools and businesses were being shutdown in Islamabad due to this. The Govt asked army to intervene, instead the army made the infamous statement that "how can we beat our brothers?".

The PMLN govt fell into the pressure and had to reverse the amendments they made. When the Pakistani public saw this TLP group being succesfully in getting there demands fulfilled, the support grew. People celebrated it as if the honor of the prophet had been defended. The army gave out money to the protestors, videos of this is available on the internet.

This action empowered TLP more. While PMLN was destabilized and it made them look bad infront of the public and lost more support.

Than came the PTI govt. Imran would made an economic council where Atif Mian, a ahmadi, was added. This again would result in a protest all over Pakistan by the TLP who were once against blocking the entry point of Islamabad. Imran was quick in removing Atif Mian from the post, and behold TLP was seen as the champions of Islam in the eyes of the nation. This empowered the TLP even further which increased its numbers

Than from 2018 onwards, the mob against blasphemers and ahamadiyya sect grew with each month a crime being reported. We even saw a Sri Lankan factory worker getting killed aswell.

The TLP had by now become a famous group that advocates for such action and today TLP's posters are posted all around Punjab, where they have also come in third position in many major areas of Punjab during the election.

Today, this mob exists due to TLP who have been empowered with the actions of our govt and establishment. Each time the results went in there favor they have been empowered and there supporters see them as a group of people that can take things in there own hand and get things done. Our govt and establishment in the hopes of destabilizing the govt of the opposition have ended up only destabilizing the country either through appeasement or through using religion as a tool.

So instead of blaming the hindus or India, its always nice looking back at your own history and knowing from where it all started and where we are standing today

Good post.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

@Cpt. Rishwat

Before blaming mob mentality on Hindus or Indians, one should take a walk through Pakistan's history and than conclude whether a religious mob in Pakistan is due to Hindus sitting in India or Pakistanis themselves.

Forming a mob is not something that is part of genetics, so lets defeat the Indian connotation that you are trying to link.

The reason for this mob is our history, in which Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Zia ul haq, Imran Khan and the Army have played a role.

When Bhutto decided to appease mullahs by defining who was a muslim and who was not in the constitution, he ended up making a grave mistake that even trying to rectify it could get one killed. Later Zia ul haq would than add an Anti Ahmadiyya ordinance which prohibited Ahmadis from preaching or professing their beliefs. The fact that defining a muslim was bad enough, Zia made it a crime for Ahmadi's to even have a belief.

Bhutto did it because he was trying to appease a group mullahs that were ready to over throw the govt of Bhutto. This group was largely backed by the establishment at the time that looked for a way to make a dent on Bhutto's popularity.

While Zia did it as he beliefed that only Sunni version of islam could exist only. Infact, for him, being a Shia was a crime.

By now, (if anyone is reading), you must be thinking what the Ahamdiyya issue has to do with this, but truth is, mob lynching in the name of Islam in Pakistan is more related to the Ahmadiyya issue rather than Hindus of India.

Now along the way in our history, we saw blasphemy take place worldwide, with Pakistanis muslims getting offended, doing a protest in Pakistan while blasphemy would take place in a country like Denmark. If the blasphemer was to die, his death would be celebrated in our society.

That came one of the biggest cases of Paksitan, the case where Salman Taseer decided to call out the blasphemy law as a black law and defended a poor girl who was charged under that law. Salman Taseer would end up getting killed by his own security personal named Mumtaz Qadri. Qadri would than be celebrated as a celebrity as people thought he achieved a big feat by taking the law in his own hands.

Qadri was a celebrity in Adyalla Jail aswell, and was a source of inspiration for many people in Pakistan. The jailers also treated him favourably as alot of people thought he committed a good dead.

When Qadri was hanged, and his funeral was attended by millions of people from all over Pakistan, that was a day that sent down chills about where Pakistan was headed towards. It meant alot of people supported the narrative of taking the laws in there own hands.

This is exactly what would take place as more cases would come forward where alleged blasphemers would be killed as people thought taking the laws in your hand in this case was really important and that prophet/allahs/quran honor should be defended by mere humans.

Than came the 2018 election build up. The army was desperate to bring PMLN down and bring Imran in power. So this is when they created a small group called TLP. TLP's motto or ideology is to defend the fact that Prophet Muhammad was the last prophet and no other prophet came after him. Anyone who doubts that, utters a bad word against him should be killed on the spot.

This unknown party would be formed in Punjab, but its support would only grow through the actions of our army and imran's govt.

When Ahsan Iqbal decided to remove the condition of believing in the finality of the prophethood as a requirement in Pakistan, the army saw a chance to destabilize the PMLN govt. TLP got aggrevated by this action of the Govt and decided to have a national wide protest where they would march up to the main entry point of Islamabad and block off the entrance to the city for everyone. This action may cost millions of rupees to the economy, but they did not care.

Now such actions can be controlled from happening, if the govt tells the army to intervene and remove such a blockade. However, the army stood by and allowed TLP to take Islamabad as its hostage. THis continued for weeks and schools and businesses were being shutdown in Islamabad due to this. The Govt asked army to intervene, instead the army made the infamous statement that "how can we beat our brothers?".

The PMLN govt fell into the pressure and had to reverse the amendments they made. When the Pakistani public saw this TLP group being succesfully in getting there demands fulfilled, the support grew. People celebrated it as if the honor of the prophet had been defended. The army gave out money to the protestors, videos of this is available on the internet.

This action empowered TLP more. While PMLN was destabilized and it made them look bad infront of the public and lost more support.

Than came the PTI govt. Imran would made an economic council where Atif Mian, a ahmadi, was added. This again would result in a protest all over Pakistan by the TLP who were once against blocking the entry point of Islamabad. Imran was quick in removing Atif Mian from the post, and behold TLP was seen as the champions of Islam in the eyes of the nation. This empowered the TLP even further which increased its numbers

Than from 2018 onwards, the mob against blasphemers and ahamadiyya sect grew with each month a crime being reported. We even saw a Sri Lankan factory worker getting killed aswell.

The TLP had by now become a famous group that advocates for such action and today TLP's posters are posted all around Punjab, where they have also come in third position in many major areas of Punjab during the election.

Today, this mob exists due to TLP who have been empowered with the actions of our govt and establishment. Each time the results went in there favor they have been empowered and there supporters see them as a group of people that can take things in there own hand and get things done. Our govt and establishment in the hopes of destabilizing the govt of the opposition have ended up only destabilizing the country either through appeasement or through using religion as a tool.

So instead of blaming the hindus or India, its always nice looking back at your own history and knowing from where it all started and where we are standing today

This may all be true, but if we ignore the fact that mob riots probably happen more in India across the border, and are carried out by hindu majority, then we are putting our heads in the sand. Look at who the leader is of that country and how he ascended to leadership after mob riots instigated in his own home state.

No one has suggested it is genetic by the way, but we have to look at the prevailing culture of the subcontinent. What is it? Is it Chinese? Is it Arabic? Or was it Indian long before Pakistan was even a twinkle in Jinnah's eye?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I understand it was the Tehreek-e-Labaik Pakistan who instigated this. Its these loonies that need to be eradicated from the society.

Indeed. There should be no place for mob law in a country which calls itself Islamic. Implement the Sharia on these frauds and make an example as would happen in genuine Islamic countries, otherwise declare a secular constitution and make the leader PM like across the border.

 

[rickroll]

This may all be true, but if we ignore the fact that mob riots probably happen more in India across the border, and are carried out by hindu majority, then we are putting our heads in the sand. Look at who the leader is of that country and how he ascended to leadership after mob riots instigated in his own home state.

No one has suggested it is genetic by the way, but we have to look at the prevailing culture of the subcontinent. What is it? Is it Chinese? Is it Arabic? Or was it Indian long before Pakistan was even a twinkle in Jinnah's eye?

I'm sorry but how is what is happening in India relevant to this thread? Let's look at our land first especially in the context of this thread. I feel this level of whataboutism is irrelevant to this thread and distracting from discussing the actual ground realities and issues on our land.

I for one really do not care what the Indians do to their country. Let them run theirs with sadhus and gurus and religious zealots. What I care more about is how Pakistan is being run, how these incidents affect Pakistani society, and how we can work to fix these. I wish the discussion in this thread is more along those lines instead of another pointless "what about India" item. I mean, that could be relevant if this issue was somehow caused by Indians but even that is not the case.

I wish we could discuss about issues plaguing our society instead of dragging Indians unnecessarily for just point scoring. Who cares about the Indians? Let them drag their country down, let's please discuss about saving our land and people here.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

My point is that she won't even know what is written in Arabic on the clothes, so when you are not sure why wear it and take the risk of going into the market?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I'm sorry but how is what is happening in India relevant to this thread? Let's look at our land first especially in the context of this thread. I feel this level of whataboutism is irrelevant to this thread and distracting from discussing the actual ground realities and issues on our land.

I for one really do not care what the Indians do to their country. Let them run theirs with sadhus and gurus and religious zealots. What I care more about is how Pakistan is being run, how these incidents affect Pakistani society, and how we can work to fix these. I wish the discussion in this thread is more along those lines instead of another pointless "what about India" item. I mean, that could be relevant if this issue was somehow caused by Indians but even that is not the case.

I wish we could discuss about issues plaguing our society instead of dragging Indians unnecessarily for just point scoring. Who cares about the Indians? Let them drag their country down, let's please discuss about saving our land and people here.

By all means suggest how to fix the issues. No one is forcing you to think about India, but for those of us who look at general trends of lawlessness and mob law across the continent, it needs to be understood so we can ask pertinent questions why it is so. If only so Pakistan doesn't make the same mistakes and can forge it's own identity.

 

[rickroll]

By all means suggest how to fix the issues. No one is forcing you to think about India, but for those of us who look at general trends of lawlessness and mob law across the continent, it needs to be understood so we can ask pertinent questions why it is so. If only so Pakistan doesn't make the same mistakes and can forge it's own identity.

India is irrelevant to this thread. That is my point. If you want to stick to point scoring and vent out about India then please find relevant threads.

Your point about India here is a weak extrapolation and it seems to be disguised so, either to distract from the core issues facing Pakistan or for you to vent out yet another India jab. Either way, the focus of this thread should be more along the lines of the issue facing Pakistan and not some other outside country.

 

[Major]

My point is that she won't even know what is written in Arabic on the clothes, so when you are not sure why wear it and take the risk of going into the market?

If she did not wear anything offensive how is it her fault?

Faf Du Plesis and Michael Clarke have tattoos in arabic, does that mean they should not be allowed entry in Pakistan because our men are crazy enough to attack them?

The fault is not on the women. You are assuming she didnt know, what if she did know?

Even after knowing, what difference has it made? There are still people attacking the brand in kuwait for having such a dress even though the meaning of the word is now in public

 

[rickroll]

My point is that she won't even know what is written in Arabic on the clothes, so when you are not sure why wear it and take the risk of going into the market?

This is true, but isn't this also victim blaming? All the accusers, did they bother to check the meaning of the Arabic words before threatening her? Shouldn't the onus of knowing the meaning of the Arabic words be on these fake religious followers as opposed to the common people?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

If she did not wear anything offensive how is it her fault?

Faf Du Plesis and Michael Clarke have tattoos in arabic, does that mean they should not be allowed entry in Pakistan because our men are crazy enough to attack them?

The fault is not on the women. You are assuming she didnt know, what if she did know?

Even after knowing, what difference has it made? There are still people attacking the brand in kuwait for having such a dress even though the meaning of the word is now in public

Bro i am not saying she was wrong, i m just trying to say when u know these sort of things get sensitive here in Pakistan so its better to avoid wearing such clothes and visit any market.

 

[JaDed]

This may all be true, but if we ignore the fact that mob riots probably happen more in India across the border, and are carried out by hindu majority, then we are putting our heads in the sand. Look at who the leader is of that country and how he ascended to leadership after mob riots instigated in his own home state.

No one has suggested it is genetic by the way, but we have to look at the prevailing culture of the subcontinent. What is it? Is it Chinese? Is it Arabic? Or was it Indian long before Pakistan was even a twinkle in Jinnah's eye?

Naw we just have better internet than Pakistan, now that your internet is improving your mob violence is coming to picture.

 

[Major]

Bro i am not saying she was wrong, i m just trying to say when u know these sort of things get sensitive here in Pakistan so its better to avoid wearing such clothes and visit any market.

Nope.
You cannot predict what will offend these people.

Like i said earlier, pepsi had a QR code that resembled Muhammad, and it led to a guy going crazy over it and demanding to spill the drink. Now if i go and buy pepsi, you cant blame me for some crazy on looker who might attack me.


You cant tiptoe on egg shells. The govt needs to take strict action on this matter instead of giving awards to some poor sole who tries to save the life and we give awards to feel good about ourselves

 

[UP]

Thank you Zia-ul-Haq.

 

[topspin]

@Cpt. Rishwat

Before blaming mob mentality on Hindus or Indians, one should take a walk through Pakistan's history and than conclude whether a religious mob in Pakistan is due to Hindus sitting in India or Pakistanis themselves.

Forming a mob is not something that is part of genetics, so lets defeat the Indian connotation that you are trying to link.

The reason for this mob is our history, in which Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Zia ul haq, Imran Khan and the Army have played a role.

When Bhutto decided to appease mullahs by defining who was a muslim and who was not in the constitution, he ended up making a grave mistake that even trying to rectify it could get one killed. Later Zia ul haq would than add an Anti Ahmadiyya ordinance which prohibited Ahmadis from preaching or professing their beliefs. The fact that defining a muslim was bad enough, Zia made it a crime for Ahmadi's to even have a belief.

Bhutto did it because he was trying to appease a group mullahs that were ready to over throw the govt of Bhutto. This group was largely backed by the establishment at the time that looked for a way to make a dent on Bhutto's popularity.

While Zia did it as he beliefed that only Sunni version of islam could exist only. Infact, for him, being a Shia was a crime.

By now, (if anyone is reading), you must be thinking what the Ahamdiyya issue has to do with this, but truth is, mob lynching in the name of Islam in Pakistan is more related to the Ahmadiyya issue rather than Hindus of India.

Now along the way in our history, we saw blasphemy take place worldwide, with Pakistanis muslims getting offended, doing a protest in Pakistan while blasphemy would take place in a country like Denmark. If the blasphemer was to die, his death would be celebrated in our society.

That came one of the biggest cases of Paksitan, the case where Salman Taseer decided to call out the blasphemy law as a black law and defended a poor girl who was charged under that law. Salman Taseer would end up getting killed by his own security personal named Mumtaz Qadri. Qadri would than be celebrated as a celebrity as people thought he achieved a big feat by taking the law in his own hands.

Qadri was a celebrity in Adyalla Jail aswell, and was a source of inspiration for many people in Pakistan. The jailers also treated him favourably as alot of people thought he committed a good dead.

When Qadri was hanged, and his funeral was attended by millions of people from all over Pakistan, that was a day that sent down chills about where Pakistan was headed towards. It meant alot of people supported the narrative of taking the laws in there own hands.

This is exactly what would take place as more cases would come forward where alleged blasphemers would be killed as people thought taking the laws in your hand in this case was really important and that prophet/allahs/quran honor should be defended by mere humans.

Than came the 2018 election build up. The army was desperate to bring PMLN down and bring Imran in power. So this is when they created a small group called TLP. TLP's motto or ideology is to defend the fact that Prophet Muhammad was the last prophet and no other prophet came after him. Anyone who doubts that, utters a bad word against him should be killed on the spot.

This unknown party would be formed in Punjab, but its support would only grow through the actions of our army and imran's govt.

When Ahsan Iqbal decided to remove the condition of believing in the finality of the prophethood as a requirement in Pakistan, the army saw a chance to destabilize the PMLN govt. TLP got aggrevated by this action of the Govt and decided to have a national wide protest where they would march up to the main entry point of Islamabad and block off the entrance to the city for everyone. This action may cost millions of rupees to the economy, but they did not care.

Now such actions can be controlled from happening, if the govt tells the army to intervene and remove such a blockade. However, the army stood by and allowed TLP to take Islamabad as its hostage. THis continued for weeks and schools and businesses were being shutdown in Islamabad due to this. The Govt asked army to intervene, instead the army made the infamous statement that "how can we beat our brothers?".

The PMLN govt fell into the pressure and had to reverse the amendments they made. When the Pakistani public saw this TLP group being succesfully in getting there demands fulfilled, the support grew. People celebrated it as if the honor of the prophet had been defended. The army gave out money to the protestors, videos of this is available on the internet.

This action empowered TLP more. While PMLN was destabilized and it made them look bad infront of the public and lost more support.

Than came the PTI govt. Imran would made an economic council where Atif Mian, a ahmadi, was added. This again would result in a protest all over Pakistan by the TLP who were once against blocking the entry point of Islamabad. Imran was quick in removing Atif Mian from the post, and behold TLP was seen as the champions of Islam in the eyes of the nation. This empowered the TLP even further which increased its numbers

Than from 2018 onwards, the mob against blasphemers and ahamadiyya sect grew with each month a crime being reported. We even saw a Sri Lankan factory worker getting killed aswell.

The TLP had by now become a famous group that advocates for such action and today TLP's posters are posted all around Punjab, where they have also come in third position in many major areas of Punjab during the election.

Today, this mob exists due to TLP who have been empowered with the actions of our govt and establishment. Each time the results went in there favor they have been empowered and there supporters see them as a group of people that can take things in there own hand and get things done. Our govt and establishment in the hopes of destabilizing the govt of the opposition have ended up only destabilizing the country either through appeasement or through using religion as a tool.

So instead of blaming the hindus or India, its always nice looking back at your own history and knowing from where it all started and where we are standing today

This was a great read. Thanks for this bro.

 

[topspin]

@Cpt. Rishwat

Stop bringing India into this when this has nothing to do with them. If this was the 1950's, you may have a point but tt's been almost 80 years since the partition.

We need to unite against the Khawarij, like the TLP (and their accomplices), who want to use religion as a tool to get into power in Pakistan.

 

[topspin]

Complete idiots.

These clowns are no different than the Khawarij during the times of the sahaba who killed actual companions of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH by being overly zealous and lacking severely in knowledge about Islam and accusing everyone of being blasphemous. It’s the same nonsense we see today. This is not a new phenomenon.

You don’t just go up to people and act like this.

Unfortunately, every other jahil in that country thinks he’s a thekedar about Islamic law even though they do all sorts of things behind closed doors.

The cure to this is education in worldly affairs as well as religious.

Instead of making women feel safe they keep them in constant fight or flight mode. Shame on you. Clueless about the faith that you claim to follow.

Spot on. The word Khawarij is exactly what comes to mind when I hear about the TLP.

In Pakistan, it's so easy to use your religiosity to win over people. This could all be avoided if Pakistanis were educated and more importantly understood the Quran and their Deen as a whole.

 

[topspin]

What worries me about Pakistan from an Islamic perspective is there's so much Bid'ah going on, so it does make me wonder where all the misguidance in the land comes from?

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Only in Pakistan people get riled up over such things.

People haven't got anything to do and just stick their noses into who's doing what who's wearing what and start acting as if they're the first Muslims to have come on earth.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Cpt. Rishwat has a point.

We Indians line up when it comes to taking credit on Yoga. Modern day Indians are most unfit nation on earth. More Westerners practice Yoga than Indians unless it's for a photo OP like Modi. Yoga is probably older than Hinduism itself.

Indians line up when it comes to appreciation of modern day Indian cuisine on a global level. What westerners refer to as Indian food is basically North Indian and Punjabi food on both sides of the border.

Same goes for music, attire, culture, you name it and Indians will downplay the contribution and role of Pakistan.

Indians should also own up to the fact that practice of Sati was part of Hindu culture if not Hindu religion. Indians always correct foreigners that Caste System is not part of Hinduism, so term Hindu culture should aptly apply to mob culture as well. Pakistan is a new nation and still going through getting rid of old Hindu culture rituals and traditions.

 

[BouncerGuy]

What worries me about Pakistan from an Islamic perspective is there's so much Bid'ah going on, so it does make me wonder where all the misguidance in the land comes from?

This is the responsibility of Islamic scholars to guide people about such stuff but they are busy making things difficult for a person. They care more about firqas rather than actual problems. No wonder why people are so violent.

 

[pillionrider]

Smart move by the female ASP to put herself on the line there confusing the rabid clowns there with her gender which bought her enough time to whisk the girl away.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Cpt. Rishwat has a point.

We Indians line up when it comes to taking credit on Yoga. Modern day Indians are most unfit nation on earth. More Westerners practice Yoga than Indians unless it's for a photo OP like Modi. Yoga is probably older than Hinduism itself.

Indians line up when it comes to appreciation of modern day Indian cuisine on a global level. What westerners refer to as Indian food is basically North Indian and Punjabi food on both sides of the border.

Same goes for music, attire, culture, you name it and Indians will downplay the contribution and role of Pakistan.

Indians should also own up to the fact that practice of Sati was part of Hindu culture if not Hindu religion. Indians always correct foreigners that Caste System is not part of Hinduism, so term Hindu culture should aptly apply to mob culture as well. Pakistan is a new nation and still going through getting rid of old Hindu culture rituals and traditions.

Since you call Pakistan a new nation, how can it be credited with contribution to anything which existed before 1947? You cannot pick or choose that for food and music treat Pakistan as an old nation, and for less desirable things treat it as a new nation?

And you do not need to use the Indian code word for Hindus. Just writing Hindus is fine. It doesn't make you bigoted.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Naw we just have better internet than Pakistan, now that your internet is improving your mob violence is coming to picture.

Mob violence shouldn't be endorsed and rewarded, that is the pertinent point is it not? Pakistan likes to portray itself as an Islamic nation therefore the people there should at least understand basic legal structures in an islamic country.

As for your country, you have your own laws and if mob violence is seen as advantageous, not something we can judge on, it is what it is.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India is irrelevant to this thread. That is my point. If you want to stick to point scoring and vent out about India then please find relevant threads.

Your point about India here is a weak extrapolation and it seems to be disguised so, either to distract from the core issues facing Pakistan or for you to vent out yet another India jab. Either way, the focus of this thread should be more along the lines of the issue facing Pakistan and not some other outside country.

If you are going to quote me again and again about India I will end up responding. Let me be the one to make a clean break here and suggest we stick to solutions for Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What worries me about Pakistan from an Islamic perspective is there's so much Bid'ah going on, so it does make me wonder where all the misguidance in the land comes from?

Interesting. Where do you think it has come from?