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Ben stokes think so but he is forgetting that Bazball was not succeed in Ashes .Does he actually realise he DIDN'T do it against Australia? The whole "we feel like we won" thing has gone a bit far. A 2-2 draw on home soil is a failure.then how is successful? Byscoring 145 runs in 1 session???
Does it really matter ??
At the end of the series the score line is 2-2 same as 2019 Ashes
So how it became successful?
 
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Depends on the pitches, if wickets are slow and flat then England will be able to play aggressive cricket. If as expected wickets are rank turners from ball one with then no England's methods won't work.
 
England need to improve their game against spin alot more. They threw away their most of their wickets to Murphy and Lyon this ashes.
 
I think it may or may not work, but it’s at least worth trying. Last couple series in India it has been England poking and prodding around as per their tradition, think they lost 3-1 and 4-0 on successive tours. Playing positive cricket and pushing the run rate might work better.
 
I think Bazball worked well, and it showcased really good cricket. I reckon England lost the first two tests because of selection issues, not because of their aggressive approach. In retrospect, Wood and Wokes should have played. England also got unlucky because of the weather in the fourth test.
Bazball worked against Pakistan, in Pakistan last year, so i reckon it will work against India as well. It will make for an exciting series for sure!
 
Nasser Hussain on this topic:

“The next challenge is India and everyone knows India in India is one of the sternest challenges in Test match cricket.”

“It’s Bazball against spin. Bazball against Ravi Ashwin, (Ravindra) Jadeja and Axar Patel and that is going to be fascinating,”



Zak Crawley:

“I don’t really know much about their grounds"

“Sometimes in India it seams and swings a bit - and they’ve got unbelievable seamers - so hopefully there are a couple of pitches there that are like that as well, that will suit us a bit more. But if it’s spinning, I feel like we play spin really well as well. We’ll just have to adapt, see what we get.”
 
Amjid Javed said:
Depends on the pitches, if wickets are slow and flat then England will be able to play aggressive cricket. If as expected wickets are rank turners from ball one with then no England's methods w
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Indian team can't make same mistake as Pakistan when comes to preparing for pitch . Pakistan gave them flat wickets which suits Bazball but India will definitely gave them rank Turner so slogging is not work on those pitch.
 
Devadwal said:
Indian team can't make same mistake as Pakistan when comes to preparing for pitch . Pakistan gave them flat wickets which suits Bazball but India will definitely gave them rank Turner so slogging is not work on those pitch.
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Of course India will, every team should play to their strengths and home Advantage. Trying to slog etc.. when ball is turning is a whole diff ball game, England have improved a bit vs spin so should make interesting viewing.
 
Indian rank turners will be the downfall for naz all.

Also for me if stokes picks his mates again first i can see it being a complete whitewash.

India will come hard so will be a fascinating series
 
It may or may not work, but I think that would be the best way to play against indian spinners on rank turners.
 
Lets see if Ben Duckett can employ his sweeps shots and paddles in India against Ashwin and Jadeja.
 
Bazball will definitely help them put up competitive scores on board. Especially if there are rank Turner's, fast hitting can help them make 180-225 even while being shot out which will keep them in game.

But they need two good spinners in harness to challenge Indian batting. Leach can be one of them but need an accurate and fast spinner (ideally offspinner) as second lead.

Remember that by 2024 it is likely that Jaiswal, Tilak Verma and Ishan will all be in playing XI so Leach will be taking tap.
 
Bazball can really work in India if England bat first. The first couple of sessions are fairly good for batting and Indian spinners don't respond well if they don't get early wickets.
 
I can't see this England team under Stokes and McCullum playing any other way, wherever the match is, whoever the opponent is.

For that, they deserve credit.

Personally I love watching the current England Test side.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bazball , where are you?

Come on now!
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Delhi was a docile pitch by Indian spin track standards. They were absolutely clueless even on that track against Afghan spinners.

I'm foreseeing blind slogging and a massive collapse of bazball during the 1st innings of the 1st test in India. This will be followed by reverting back to nervous old school approach which will as well fail, because English batsmen just cannot pick lengths early and use the feet well on spinning decks.
 
The Bazball doesn't seem to be working for England but Bavball seems to be working fine for South African. BTW, Bav stands for Bavuma :)
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
English era is over.

India and Australia will dominate all formats for the next decade.
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Nah, There was never a Eng era. They did not really dominate all formats, specially in test.

Having said that India/Aus may not even win that much when playing away in future. Things changes.
 
Buffet said:
Nah, There was never a Eng era. They did not really dominate all formats, specially in test.

Having said that India/Aus may not even win that much when playing away in future. Things changes.
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That's the luxury for the big three. You can be an average team but still have at least one genuine chance at silverware every decade due to playing home conditions.

India is on course to win this year, and that's 12 years since they previously won, which was again at home.
 
In the IPL most successful England batsman was Buttler. But he was an opener for his franchise. He would see off few balls and go bonkers. Probably he should have tried here instead of exposing himself against spinners and older ball. Stokes didn't have much of a success. Bairstow did well for one season. Currently he is not in form. Brook was a failure. Livingstone did okay as finisher. So other than Buttler nobody looked outstanding like Gayle, ABDV, Faf Duplessis. Faf would have been lethal in this world cup. Klassen, Miller, QDK, Markram have all done well in the recent IPL. They are very much used to these conditions.This was expected.
 
Brendon McCullum said at the Royal Challengers Bangalore Innovation Lab's Leaders Meet India:

"We have got a huge challenge against a very good Indian team in five Tests in India."

"I am excited about it because you want to test yourself against the best side and I genuinely believe that India is the best in their own condition. It is going to be a good challenge for us. If we have success then fabulous, if we don't, then I know we will go down in the style that we want to go down."

"We are playing the game, because we love cricket and we want to try and be as good at cricket as we possibly can. During the time that you are in the chair, you want to make sure you enjoy it and you shouldn't wait till the end of your career to do so. We are very lucky that we have had some immediate success but I don't think it is the ceiling for us."

"I think we have seen some guys who have unlocked their potential in the last 18 months or so and that's what the job is as a leader; to get the most out of the people that you're in charge of."

"The reason why I daydream about that moment is because it literally changed my life. I was just a cricketer for New Zealand, where no one really knew what you did where you're from, or what you're capable of. But that day provided the platform, the forum, and the opportunity to change my life."
 
India in Indi is very difficult to beat.

Even if England play conventional cricket they will likely lose. It's better to try Bazball and see how it goes.
 
Brendon McCullum's positive approach to facing India in the upcoming Tests is commendable.
 
England now actually win the series just like 2012 series win as most of Indian player are past their prime. Virat , Rohit Ashwin and jadeja all are above 35
 
Devadwal said:
England now actually win the series just like 2012 series win as most of Indian player are past their prime. Virat , Rohit Ashwin and jadeja all are above 35
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Only issue is neither eng team nor ind batters knows how to play spin.only our lower order knows to bat.Iyer may bat if it's a spin pitch but I don't think he will survive sa tour and will make way for Gaikwad. In that lost tour there was lot of dead wood ,now it's lot better and eng team does not have technique as they displayed in wc.
 
Seems like Bumrah is not afraid of Bazball, that England is famous for, and sees this as an oppertunity to grab easy wickets.

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Hope England Tests Last For 5 Days Unless...': India Great's Cheeky Statement​

Legendary India cricketer Farokh Engineer said that England should be afraid of Rohit Sharma and Co irrespective of whether they adopt the Bazball approach or not. During the BCCI Awards 2024, Engineer received the prestigious Lifetime Achievement Award and during his speech, he praised the current Indian team as the 'finest' he has ever seen. He praised Rohit as well the duo of Rahul Dravid and Ravi Shastri for their work as the team's head coach. The former wicket-keeper batter also said that he hopes the matches in the upcoming Test series between India and England will last for five days unless they end in the hosts' favour.

"It is an honour to get a standing ovation from the finest Indian team that has ever been. Collectively, Rohit and the boys have done exceptionally well. Ravi Shastri did a great job and Rahul (Dravid) has carried on the good work. You are just so strong in every department. I am sure every team will fear you all and should fear you all. Bazball or not. I don't know if Brendon (McCullum) is here or not," he said.

"I hope the matches last for five days unless it is in India's favour of course," Engineer added.

Farokh was well known for his craftmanship with the bat and agility behind the stumps. His skillset made him best suited for keeping to the legendary spin quartet of Bedi, Prasanna, Chandrasekhar and Venkataraghavan.

Farokh during his career played 46 Test matches for India and amassed 2611 runs which included two centuries and 16 half-centuries.

His most memorable moment as a batsman was against West Indies at Madras in 1966-67. He scored 94 before lunch on the first day against the iconic pacers Wes Hall, Charles Griffith, Gary Sobers and spinner Richard Gibbs.

Source : NDTV
 
Ashwin vs Stokes 11 dismissals.

In England
156 balls 49 runs 2 dismissals avge 24.5
In India
414 balls 165 runs 9 dismissals avge 18.3
 
Thanks to bazball for making test cricket interesting. I hope that they succeed because watching a test game being played in India on those rank tuners is unwatchable.
 
BazBall with Ollie Pope? It doesn't make sense. I don't understand keeping Ollie Pope in the squad and talking about BazBall.
 
Kroll said:
After the horrible ordeal they put that Bashir kid through, hope they get bazballed into submission.
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10-Fer coming up for him. Overrated Indian line up to be exposed once again. Only good for flat chapati tracks but brutally exposed if there’s a hint of swing, movement or spin.

All good though. BCCI and ICC marketing to save the day and make them look like world beaters when they are nothing more than egg beaters 🥚 🍳
 
On these turning wickets, I do not see Bazball happening. Indian bowlers are gonna get away because there will be snakes in the pitch.
 
The contrast:

WI 6/0 (5) CRR: 1.2

ENG 26/0 (5.2) CRR: 4.88
 
Tom Hartley's first over on his Debut in test cricket goes for 12 including 2 sixes. This is some start by India. Bazball?
 
On turning track (even if it is slowly) playing recklessly is a recipe for disaster. Only very few in history can play aggressive on surfaces that offers a bit of purchase. Brian Lara, Sehwag are a couple of exampls. One guy uses his feet exceptionally well. Other one uses his hand and head exceptionally well. These guys are gifted. Zak Crawley, Ben duckett are not gifted. They just punch above the weight in their set up on flat roads.Sure they can do the same on flat pitch in India. But when it is not flat they have to recalibrate their apporach.
 
BouncerGuy said:
On these turning wickets, I do not see Bazball happening. Indian bowlers are gonna get away because there will be snakes in the pitch.
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they only went hard at th new ball thats probably the best time to get runs, didnt see much reckless cricket too early in the series rest assured ENgland will make a mark
 
ayemgilani86 said:
they only went hard at th new ball thats probably the best time to get runs, didnt see much reckless cricket too early in the series rest assured ENgland will make a mark
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At least 15 play and misses when they were going hard at the new ball. It was pretty reckless although scoreline suggests they had a nice partnership at the top.
 
England should sweep more to counter the spinners. Gooch, Hayden and others who were successful in India played a variety of sweeps. We don't see this shot nowadays, maybe because it won't result in boundaries. The best way to tackle a spinner is to take singles. Spinners hate that.
 
greatest said:
England should sweep more to counter the spinners. Gooch, Hayden and others who were successful in India played a variety of sweeps. We don't see this shot nowadays, maybe because it won't result in boundaries. The best way to tackle a spinner is to take singles. Spinners hate that.
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It is a bit of an art, need to have good judgement about when to play the shot.

Can't really play it on tracks where there is bounce, Root got out here off a top edge, trying to sweep.
 
Stokes and McCullum needed this reality-check.

Bazball is nothing but a tactic to help England white ball players perform better in Test cricket.

It has nothing to do with “saving” Test cricket or making it more exciting. England’s problem is that they got preachy and tried to sell the narrative that this is how Test cricket should be played which is hilarious because they are now sweating to save a Test match in India by playing attritional cricket.
 
I think Bazball is a fancy word created by the English to credit them for their recent success especially at home and against a mediocre Pakistan side.

The fact is that good Test teams like Australia of 00's and West Indies of the late 70s and 80s used to bat this aggressive way. Remember West Indies winning against India in the last session at Antigua in 1983 playing at 7 an over and Greenidge scoring a 200 chasing over 300 runs in the last day at Lords. And we all know how Steve Waugh Australians used to bat.
 
Mamoon said:
@Forum363

Why are Stokes and McCullum scared to do Bazball in India?

All talk and no show.
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It’s been one and a half innings.

Plus the idea of bazball is be aggressive and put the opposition under pressure. Ofcourse that won’t work in every condition.

But one thing is for certain - England would already have lost the game inside 3 days if Root the serial looser was still captain. The guy couldn’t win anything.

Also you’re the one who attributes it all to Bazball. McCullum / bazball is overrated. He lost New Zealand the World Cup final and he did nothing in his other coaching stints.

The only reason he’s being made to look good now is because Stoke is an ATG captain and leader.
 
The last time England toured India, they had second innings scores of:

178, 164, 81, 135

So far in this second innings they’re at 316/6. The issue is that critics of Bazball completely forget how hopeless and terrible the England Test team had been before McCullum took over. The 2 years before McCullum took over, they had the 7th best W/L ratio in the world and since his take over they have the highest.

It’s way too early to judge how Bazball will fair in India, but it is true that they too often gave away their wicket in the first innings and could have done better in terms of the bowling selection. The old England team would be have been all out a long time ago and India would either have chased the target by now or finished it off in the first session tomorrow.
 
Mamoon said:
Stokes and McCullum needed this reality-check.

Bazball is nothing but a tactic to help England white ball players perform better in Test cricket.

It has nothing to do with “saving” Test cricket or making it more exciting. England’s problem is that they got preachy and tried to sell the narrative that this is how Test cricket should be played which is hilarious because they are now sweating to save a Test match in India by playing attritional cricket.
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English test cricket has improved since stokes took over and that is all that matters. I just loved how they bashed Indian pacers to chase 375 at 5.5/over last test of the series in England
 
Ahmed216 said:
English test cricket has improved since stokes took over and that is all that matters. I just loved how they bashed Indian pacers to chase 375 at 5.5/over last test of the series in England
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Not as much as I loved the pounding they gave Pakistan by Humiliating them 3-0 in their own homes.
Harry brook zindabad
 
Ahmed216 said:
English test cricket has improved since stokes took over and that is all that matters. I just loved how they bashed Indian pacers to chase 375 at 5.5/over last test of the series in England
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Stokes ridiculous declaration lost England the first Ashes Test.
 
Forum363 said:
It’s been one and a half innings.

Plus the idea of bazball is be aggressive and put the opposition under pressure. Ofcourse that won’t work in every condition.

But one thing is for certain - England would already have lost the game inside 3 days if Root the serial looser was still captain. The guy couldn’t win anything.

Also you’re the one who attributes it all to Bazball. McCullum / bazball is overrated. He lost New Zealand the World Cup final and he did nothing in his other coaching stints.

The only reason he’s being made to look good now is because Stoke is an ATG captain and leader.
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Root won England a Test in India in 2021. Let’s see if England can pick up a win this time around under the tutelage of the “ATG captain”.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Haha well that's not a surprise but doesn't change the fact that India were humiliated too.
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Losing a Test away from home and returning home with a 2-2 draw is definitely just as "humiliating" as getting clean swept 3-0 at home.
 
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Mamoon said:
Stokes ridiculous declaration lost England the first Ashes Test.
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And they’ve won more than one test that would have been drawn due to his declaration. What’s your point? High risk high reward.

Like I said, your argument would have some iota of merit if Stokes didn’t inherit a team under Root that had literally lost 10/15 games. And he immediately changed that to winning 10/15 games. None of your twisting the facts, calling it luck etc will change that.
 
Mamoon said:
Root won England a Test in India in 2021. Let’s see if England can pick up a win this time around under the tutelage of the “ATG captain”.
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Stokes has single handedly won England more matches than Root has across formats. What’s your point?
 
160KPH said:
The last time England toured India, they had second innings scores of:

178, 164, 81, 135

So far in this second innings they’re at 316/6. The issue is that critics of Bazball completely forget how hopeless and terrible the England Test team had been before McCullum took over. The 2 years before McCullum took over, they had the 7th best W/L ratio in the world and since his take over they have the highest.

It’s way too early to judge how Bazball will fair in India, but it is true that they too often gave away their wicket in the first innings and could have done better in terms of the bowling selection. The old England team would be have been all out a long time ago and India would either have chased the target by now or finished it off in the first session tomorrow.
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Thats it isn’t it. Baz and Ben aren’t perfect — because no system or approach is perfect, otherwise everyone would be using it — but it’s far better than what the previous regime was offering.

Most England fans who have followed the team for years/decades and support their team in person (when they can) aren't overthinking it — that is for the pundits and wider viewing public to do — we are really just pleased to see our Test team competing again and winning some games.

Much as we love Root the batsman and the gentleman, we had a miserable couple of years towards the end of Root’s captaincy, it was absolutely awful.
 
James said:
Thats it isn’t it. Baz and Ben aren’t perfect — because no system or approach is perfect, otherwise everyone would be using it — but it’s far better than what the previous regime was offering.

Most England fans who have followed the team for years/decades and support their team in person (when they can) aren't overthinking it — that is for the pundits and wider viewing public to do — we are really just pleased to see our Test team competing again and winning some games.

Much as we love Root the batsman and the gentleman, we had a miserable couple of years towards the end of Root’s captaincy, it was absolutely awful.
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That’s it. Root is a great batsman and a really nice guy.

But he was a curse on the team in terms of captaincy.
 
Saw an interesting stat earlier: “England are the first visiting team to reach 300 in the second innings in India since 2012” (this was also an England total)
 
Forum363 said:
Stokes has single handedly won England more matches than Root has across formats. What’s your point?
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You are shifting the goalposts here - we are talking about Stokes’ captaincy.

Surely, if a terrible captain could pick up a win in India with his outdated approach, the ATG captain with his revolutionary Bazball which is apparently the right way to play Test cricket should be winning at least two Test matches. No?

Speaking of winning matches, Stokes has never won England anything in India. Root is the highest scorer ever India.
 
Mamoon said:
You are shifting the goalposts here - we are talking about Stokes’ captaincy.

Surely, if a terrible captain could pick up a win in India with his outdated approach, the ATG captain with his revolutionary Bazball which is apparently the right way to play Test cricket should be winning at least two Test matches. No?

Speaking of winning matches, Stokes has never won England anything in India. Root is the highest scorer ever India.
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This thread is not about stokes captaincy. we have a thread on him.
 
India's run rate is down at 2.60 at the moment.

Bazball is not found here.
 
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