Pin-drop silence when the opposition does well - and we as fans are supposed to accept that as "that's how it is in India"?

[MenInG]

This from Cummins pre-game presser for the ICC World Cup 2023 final

[Reporter:]

You said you know what it takes and you've played in a lot of big games before, big tests, big ODI’s, big T20s, but 100,000 people wanting you to fail is probably something new. How do you deal with that and how does the team deal with that?

[Pat Cummins:]

I think you've got to embrace it. The crowd's obviously going to be very one-sided but it's also in sport there's nothing more satisfying than hearing a big crowd go silent and that's the aim for us tomorrow. Yeah, you've just got to embrace every part of it, every part of a final even you know in the lead-up there's going to be noise and more people and interest and you just can't get overwhelmed. You got to be up for it, you got to love it and just know whatever happens it's fine but you just want to finish the day with no regrets.


[Reporter:]

Of all the teams, are Australia most equipped mentally to be immune to a partisan crowd of this size?

[Pat Cummins:]

I mean, potentially. We play over here in India a lot so the noise is not something new - yeah, I think on this scale it's probably bigger than we would have experienced before but it's not something totally foreign to what we've had before. Everyone deals with it slightly differently you see Davey [Warner] probably dancing and winning the crowd over other guys just staying in their own bubble – yeah it should be good.

==

Whereas Cummins is being nice and trying to turn this into a challenge for his team but how is it that all cricket fans around the world accept this is as 'one of those things' or the 'beauty' of playing in India.

I am especially interested in the opinions of Indian fans who feel that this is OK.

Are kids going to matches told to behave like this because surely as a cricket fan, you want to applaud a good shot or a good catch by instinct?

 

[viking2559]

This from Cummins pre-game presser for the ICC World Cup 2023 final

[Reporter:]

You said you know what it takes and you've played in a lot of big games before, big tests, big ODI’s, big T20s, but 100,000 people wanting you to fail is probably something new. How do you deal with that and how does the team deal with that?

[Pat Cummins:]

I think you've got to embrace it. The crowd's obviously going to be very one-sided but it's also in sport there's nothing more satisfying than hearing a big crowd go silent and that's the aim for us tomorrow. Yeah, you've just got to embrace every part of it, every part of a final even you know in the lead-up there's going to be noise and more people and interest and you just can't get overwhelmed. You got to be up for it, you got to love it and just know whatever happens it's fine but you just want to finish the day with no regrets.

==

Whereas Cummins is being nice and trying to turn this into a challenge for his team but how is it that all cricket fans around the world accept this is as 'one of those things' or the 'beauty' of playing in India.

I am especially interested in the opinions of Indian fans who feel that this is OK.

Are kids going to matches told to behave like this because surely as a cricket fan, you want to applaud a good shot or a good catch by instinct?

I love it when Indian fans zip their mouths completely.

They do a lot of things when they are winning but once when opposition starts winning they remain silent like there's not even a single person watching match. I love it when it happens.
Australia to silence indians once again.

Let's go Australia...

 

[BouncerGuy]

Pat Cummins and his team are mentally prepared to face a huge and biased crowd of Indian fans in the World Cup final.

​

 

[JattMaula]

Tell us how to watch and react to cricket. @MenInG

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

As long as I have been watching cricket since childhood in the 90s, it's always been like this.
Not sure why ?
No we are not told to be quiet lol it's just a natural reactionm
But is this different in Pakistan?
I remember once Afridi got out to Flintoff and scores of men in salwar Kameez started leaving in a jiffy.

 

[MenInG]

Tell us how to watch and react to cricket. @MenInG

Thank God for a sensible question!

When I go and watch a match where Pakistan are playing, I cheer like mad for my team. But then Virat Kohli or Kane Williamson plays this stupendous shot and I will instinctively clap.

It will require a lot of self-control to hold my hands apart!

 

[MenInG]

As long as I have been watching cricket since childhood in the 90s, it's always been like this.
Not sure why ?
No we are not told to be quiet lol it's just a natural reactionm
But is this different in Pakistan?
I remember once Afridi got out to Flintoff and scores of men in salwar Kameez started leaving in a jiffy.

That's fine

Happens in all sports, fans leaving when their side not doing well.

Pakistan no different but I wouldnt do that because after spending all the money/energy to watch a game, I leave early?

 

[Devadwal]

So now people or cricketers tells how should be spectators celibrate?
Yes Indian crowd more patriotic but can't criticized them. This is what it is .

 

[Mesozoic]

There was pin drop silence in the Dubai stadium when Shaheen was getting murdered by Mathew Wade. Same in Dhaka when MSD hit the winning runs in the 2016 Asia Cup Final..

Good on Cummins to admit that it's part of the game and take it as a challenge...Only grade A losers will complain about crowd not cheering for them lol.

 

[MenInG]

Standard reactions coming through.

Regardless.

I am as patriotic/jingoistic as anyone else in this world.

Cricket is a sport I enjoy and I love watching good performers, as do all of you which is why you are here with us.

I am just curious as to why 130k people will act in unison to stay quiet - there must be a few Indian supporters who say 'wow what a shot'

 

[LegendAli]

Whole stadium was clapping for Mitchell in the Semi Final which was hosted in India when he scored a century that too in a match against.... INDIA!

This was a point in the game where New Zealand were still in it, where was the silence then?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Extreme jubilation & extreme despair are sides of the same coin. Bharatiya fans have made a poor and unknown sport like cricket a Multi billion dollar business with that attitude of their. If they were to behave to Englishmen cricket would never become the money making machine it is today. Can’t have it all.

 

[shokz1408]

That’s been one of the downsides to the Indian matches that pin drop silence. If for example the game is played in England where there is support for both teams it’s a much better atmosphere.

 

[pillionrider]

I actually think this sometimes works against the Indian team.

In the semi vs NZ, when Kane and Mitchell were going, the crowd were not only silent, they also started to look depressed. Images of their sullen faces or head-in-hands were being constantly shown and I remember thinking - man, this is actually going to be downing for Indian players who invariably keep looking at the giant screen. I also imagined a fantasy situation, as you do, where I'm part of the team and call everyone together asking them to not look at the screen


This also reminded me of the effect a crowd can have. In 2011, during the tied game vs England, while Strauss was going, the crowd had gone quiet and then one section started to liven up and this spread. Immediately after, Zaheer came in for a spell and buoyed by the crowd, snapped a couple of wickets if I recall right.

Is this common across the subcontinent? I think so. Thing is, Indian fans will turn up everywhere, so if India is doing well in an away (Asian) game, the Indian fans'll be making noise and it therefore becomes difficult to judge whether the home crowd was being partisan. I'm not sure who is worse. India or Bangladesh. But I think Sri Lanka and Pakistan might be better than us.

We haven't been to Pakistan in decades, but I remember from my childhood, Lara slaughtering Kaneria once and the crowd began to enjoy it and cheer him. India also got some fair applause when Ganguly's team toured there I remember.

 

[BaaliSoda]

I am especially interested in the opinions of Indian fans who feel that this is OK.

Are kids going to matches told to behave like this because surely as a cricket fan, you want to applaud a good shot or a good catch by instinct?

I can’t speak for all of us (Indians), so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

I, personally, don’t feel it is Ok (but OMMV).

In most other team sports (football, in particular), it is a common sight to see such extreme partisanship among crowd but cricket for so long being considered gentleman’s game had a different viewers/fans. But i believe this must have changed post 1983 WC victory of ours.

My theory (which may very well be wrong) behind this is, the more the coverage we had of our games (thanks to booming satellite TV era of 90s) along with changing nature of on field antics of players (from across the world), and rise of political nationalism all may have led to such hyper partisan fans.

 

[WengerOut]

Sometimes i think India shouldnt have hosted this WC. We could have been spared the umpteen "cries"

 

[prisha]

If I am in a stadium to watch a match, my support is only for my team. No etiquette for fans how to behave. It is complete hypocrisy to point out that Indian fans did not jump with joy when Babar hit a 50 or shaheen took a fifer Against India. I have seen in neutral matches Indians do support which ever person they like irrespective of team. But not against India. This does happen in all sports.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Cricket isn’t as big of a deal as it is made out to be. In the 1980s/1990s while Bharat was not an economic giant, but Pakistan also wasn’t that much in trouble back then. Together Bharat & Pakistan both kept the game alive.

If these two nations took the game lightly as they do with Hockey, cricket remains an irrelevant game. Ashes being the only major event.

There is a Badminton, Hockey, Tanke tennis World Cup as well nobody cares about them.

Woke media likes to talk about Bharatiyas ruining the game, what did you do with it for 100 years when you were on top, how many countries did you add to cricket. Bharat has helped every emerging cricket nation , you can ask them and they will tell you. Never seemed credit for it because real power likes to stay in the shadows.

 

[Thanos]

Our true feelings are visible in our reactions.

Opposition should enjoy when they silence the crowd and we expect a hurrah when Indian team does well.

Not everything needs to be followed by looking at other nations. As simple as that.

 

[MenInG]

Our true feelings are visible in our reactions.

Opposition should enjoy when they silence the crowd and we expect a hurrah when Indian team does well.

Not everything needs to be followed by looking at other nations. As simple as that.

Fine

My question to you is this, are you like that when you are watching India play in a stadium?

 

[RyanRyan10]

Sometimes i think India shouldnt have hosted this WC. We could have been spared the umpteen "cries"

I want India to host more events and this is the main reason.

 

[Bhaijaan]

All is well until someone comes here and goes on and on about how he is a South Indian and everything is so much better about them than the rest of the villager Bharatiyas.

 

[globetrotter]

There was a pin drop silence in Karachi stadium when Rajesh Chauhan hit six to win the match

 

[emranabbas]

Sometimes i think India shouldnt have hosted this WC. We could have been spared the umpteen "cries"

I think you are just a very sensitive lot these sort of things happen everywhere in every sport especially in football in uk, but you guys take every little thing to heart but blame everyone else for crying.

 

[MenInG]

Sometimes i think India shouldnt have hosted this WC. We could have been spared the umpteen "cries"

Are you not able to understand the topic of this thread?

 

[Thanos]

Fine

My question to you is this, are you like that when you are watching India play in a stadium?

Depends on situation.
If I witness good cricket something like cover drive, shot like Kohli-Rauf six or Bavuma-Warner run out etc. I really appreciate it irrespective of the teams. Even if it's against India.

However against India, I think my first reaction would be a silence followed by appreciation to the opposition player.

 

[MenInG]

There was a pin drop silence in Karachi stadium when Rajesh Chauhan hit six to win the match

yes good example.

Now multiply that by 4 hours. #Ahmedabad

 

[Devadwal]

There was a pin drop silence in Karachi stadium when Rajesh Chauhan hit six to win the match

Nah Pakistan crowd were Enjoyed when India tour Pakistan in 2004 . That was my best memory as we won both the test and ODI series first time in Pakistan . They were clapping even when Indian batsman scored runs .

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Except England, I feel majority of the crowd behaves in a same manner. Aus and NZ may also exception, but in Asia majority of people behave in a same way.

 

[JattMaula]

Thank God for a sensible question!

When I go and watch a match where Pakistan are playing, I cheer like mad for my team. But then Virat Kohli or Kane Williamson plays this stupendous shot and I will instinctively clap.

It will require a lot of self-control to hold my hands apart!

You have a big heart miggy bhai. Us Indians have smaller weak ones.

Thank you for teaching us the currect way to appreciate cricket.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Cricket is the biggest sport in the country. And there are emotions attached with seeing your team do well. Won't compare it with the West who obviously aren't as crazy for the sport as us but watch them behave in other sports. I'd like to see someone expecting an Everton supporter to clap when they concede at home?

The crowd being partizan shouldn't be surprising when the emotions and stakes are that high, but as someone alluded to when the chaos subsides you see them applauding the opposition as well. It's par for the course

 

[globetrotter]

Nah Pakistan crowd were Enjoyed when India tour Pakistan in 2004 . That was my best memory as we won both the test and ODI series first time in Pakistan . They were clapping even when Indian batsman scored runs .

If u find highlights of that match… pls watch

 

[MenInG]

Lets keep that line of discussion off this

This is purely a cricket fan type discussion.

 

[MenInG]

You have a big heart miggy bhai. Us Indians have smaller weak ones.

Thank you for teaching us the currect way to appreciate cricket.

Bro I see the underlying sentiment and won't comment on that.

I just feel that we are encouraging behaviour of some Indian crowds as if it some romantic side of cricket.

My view.

 

[kron]

That's fine

Happens in all sports, fans leaving when their side not doing well.

Pakistan no different but I wouldnt do that because after spending all the money/energy to watch a game, I leave early?

When I see hostile bowling, unreal pace like fire from express guys, explosive batting, power hitting like klassen style, I would definitely find it hard to restrain myself from applauding even if it comes at the cost of my tesm losing.

However everyone is different.

 

[kron]

There was pin drop silence in the Dubai stadium when Shaheen was getting murdered by Mathew Wade. Same in Dhaka when MSD hit the winning runs in the 2016 Asia Cup Final..

Good on Cummins to admit that it's part of the game and take it as a challenge...Only grade A losers will complain about crowd not cheering for them lol.

That's part of the game. Nothing wrong with home crowd supporting their team. In football you see boos quite often for opposition teams. Lots of jeering etc.

Each to their own. Everyone is different.

 

[WengerOut]

Are you not able to understand the topic of this thread?

Actually no.. You have specifically mentioned "India" in the title and then goes on to say "it is everywhere the same" when being countered. So yeah, what exactly is the India specific issue here?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Actually no.. You have specifically mentioned "India" in the title and then goes on to say "it is everywhere the same" when being countered. So yeah, what exactly is the India specific issue here?

It is not about the hosting of India It is about the crowd's reactions to the opposition team's performance.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Are you not able to understand the topic of this thread?

Did you not watch the Wankhede crowd applaud Daryl Mitchell on his century? Or are we going to pretend that didn't happen?

 

[MenInG]

Actually no.. You have specifically mentioned "India" in the title and then goes on to say "it is everywhere the same" when being countered. So yeah, what exactly is the India specific issue here?

Then best to ask before throwing random replies.

Thread is obviously about India crowds and their peculiar behaviour which people from other nations find strange as that does not happen at the scale it happens in India.

 

[MenInG]

Did you not watch the Wankhede crowd applaud Daryl Mitchell on his century? Or are we going to pretend that didn't happen?

I will pretend that I didn't read this simplistic comment.

Applauding someone when he is scoring runs against you vs when he is out or scores a 100 etc are too different things.

Also you are free to correct me and say that this odd behaviour only happens at certain venues in India.

 

[WengerOut]

Then best to ask before throwing random replies.

Thread is obviously about India crowds and their peculiar behaviour which people from other nations find strange as that does not happen at the scale it happens in India.

Obviously more supporters means scale will be high. Pak wont be far behind in that case. Or you think since India is "first" only they should be mocked?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I will pretend that I didn't read this simplistic comment.

Applauding someone when he is scoring runs against you vs when he is out or scores a 100 etc are too different things.

Also you are free to correct me and say that this odd behaviour only happens at certain venues in India.

So you want the home crowd to applaud everything that the visiting side does?

And you also posited that this silence is "peculiar" only to India.

The onus is on you to back that up and show that this doesn't happen anywhere else.

Otherwise that's a very simplistic , juvenile position to hold.

 

[RexRex]

I am just curious as to why 130k people will act in unison to stay quiet - there must be a few Indian supporters who say 'wow what a shot'

It is unique to India though ?

My theory is .. the only reason there isn't deathly silence in places like Aus and Eng is because of their big diaspora populations from Ind, Pak, WI etc.. who come to watch the cricket and cheer for Eng's oppostion. Without them, the situation would be the same as India.

 

[MenInG]

So you want the home crowd to applaud everything that the visiting side does?

And you also posited that this silence is "peculiar" only to India.

The onus is on you to back that up and show that this doesn't happen anywhere else.

Otherwise that's a very simplistic , juvenile position to hold.

Usual exaggerations.

I never said applaud each shot.

And watch your tone with me.

 

[MenInG]

Obviously more supporters means scale will be high. Pak wont be far behind in that case. Or you think since India is "first" only they should be mocked?

Pointing out a problem is not mocking.

Seems the India Negative button has been pressed.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Usual exaggerations.

I never said applaud each shot.

And watch your tone with me.

Here. Not a single applause for a single shot by Neesham or Chapman . Only applause was when Chapman reached his ton.

This in a country which had barely seen international cricket.

Clearly not peculiar to India as you're claiming.

 

[MenInG]

Here. Not a single applause for a single shot by Neesham or Chapman . Only applause was when Chapman reached his ton.

This in a country which had barely seen international cricket.

Clearly not peculiar to India as you're claiming.

Good example.

And you are asking me to somehow justify it as if it's a good thing?

Let me tell you, if I was there I would be appreciating good shots.

 

[AAli98]

Indian fans have matured a lot gone are the days when they use to burn seats & throw bottles at the opposition when India were starting to lose a match. We should be thankful.

 

[Mesozoic]

Good example.

And you are asking me to somehow justify it as if it's a good thing?

Let me tell you, if I was there I would be appreciating good shots.

Noone's asking you to justify anything.


Just pointing it out that it's not as "peculiar" as you claimed.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Indian fans have matured a lot gone are the days when they use to burn seats & throw bottles at the opposition when India were starting to lose a match. We should be thankful.

There are some who appreciate small changes after all.

 

[shokz1408]

It’s fair to say I have never witnessed this kind of silence with a full house than I see in India when they play against any other team. Doesn’t happen anywhere else in the world, or atleast from when I started watching cricket in 2000. Literally pin drop silence. I know when I watch cricket, supporting my team, but always do appreciate good shots played by any team.

 

[kumjsr]

Indians are emotional about cricket. They don't like it when they see team losing.

Same isn't true in countries like England or Australia where it's just a sports and sunday afternoon entertainment.

 

[RahulBose]

It is really about different "ways of life"

Look, various communities behave in different ways. Some do X and some do Y. X cannot tell Y how to behave and vice-versa.

Such a western thought process of applying their moralistic ideas on everyone, especially on eastern countries. Do we expect the west to follow our way of life?

No right!

So they should stop lecturing us on how to behave.

India and Indians are well behaved enough to understand where is the line and as long we do not cross it, the west should shut it and do not impose their way of life on us.

 

[RahulBose]

It’s fair to say I have never witnessed this kind of silence with a full house than I see in India when they play against any other team. Doesn’t happen anywhere else in the world, or atleast from when I started watching cricket in 2000. Literally pin drop silence. I know when I watch cricket, supporting my team, but always do appreciate good shots played by any team.

good for you, can you just accept that India does it differently?

 

[kumjsr]

Indian fans have matured a lot gone are the days when they use to burn seats & throw bottles at the opposition when India were starting to lose a match. We should be thankful.

That's because cricket is slowly losing emotional touch from Indian society and becoming more prime time entertainment especially with advent of IPL.

It's going in that direction, but it is still far from it.

Maybe in a decade or so, once emotion factor is gone, we might see similar crowd reaction as what is expected in OP.

 

[vprasanna83]

Thank God for a sensible question!

When I go and watch a match where Pakistan are playing, I cheer like mad for my team. But then Virat Kohli or Kane Williamson plays this stupendous shot and I will instinctively clap.

It will require a lot of self-control to hold my hands apart!

That’s just you . And there are sensible cricket fans like you in every country .

But by and large people are not that large hearted . And I don’t think that has got to do with any particular country

 

[MenInG]

good for you, can you just accept that India does it differently?

Can we have your opinion on this behaviour, so we know where you stand?

 

[RahulBose]

You will not get crowd support if you are playing against India in India. Simple as that. We will, however, appreciate a brave and valiant effort by anyone, even against India.

 

[Thanos]

Indian fans have matured a lot gone are the days when they use to burn seats & throw bottles at the opposition when India were starting to lose a match. We should be thankful.

We hope situation in Pakistan too improves where teams can play without presidential security.

 

[MenInG]

We hope situation in Pakistan too improves where teams can play without presidential security.

And this is your great comeback?

Like I said above

India Button pressed.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Good example.

And you are asking me to somehow justify it as if it's a good thing?

Let me tell you, if I was there I would be appreciating good shots.

Noone's asking you to justify anything.


Just pointing it out that it's not as "peculiar" as you claimed.

This. Except Lanka, you can see this in all of South Asia.

 

[MenInG]

This from Cummins pre-game presser for the ICC World Cup 2023 final

[Reporter:]

You said you know what it takes and you've played in a lot of big games before, big tests, big ODI’s, big T20s, but 100,000 people wanting you to fail is probably something new. How do you deal with that and how does the team deal with that?

[Pat Cummins:]

I think you've got to embrace it. The crowd's obviously going to be very one-sided but it's also in sport there's nothing more satisfying than hearing a big crowd go silent and that's the aim for us tomorrow. Yeah, you've just got to embrace every part of it, every part of a final even you know in the lead-up there's going to be noise and more people and interest and you just can't get overwhelmed. You got to be up for it, you got to love it and just know whatever happens it's fine but you just want to finish the day with no regrets.


[Reporter:]

Of all the teams, are Australia most equipped mentally to be immune to a partisan crowd of this size?

[Pat Cummins:]

I mean, potentially. We play over here in India a lot so the noise is not something new - yeah, I think on this scale it's probably bigger than we would have experienced before but it's not something totally foreign to what we've had before. Everyone deals with it slightly differently you see Davey [Warner] probably dancing and winning the crowd over other guys just staying in their own bubble – yeah it should be good.

==

Whereas Cummins is being nice and trying to turn this into a challenge for his team but how is it that all cricket fans around the world accept this is as 'one of those things' or the 'beauty' of playing in India.

I am especially interested in the opinions of Indian fans who feel that this is OK.

Are kids going to matches told to behave like this because surely as a cricket fan, you want to applaud a good shot or a good catch by instinct?

Just to reiterate.

This India crowd phenomenon is noticed by all.

Boult also mentioned it, as is Cummins now.

Question being asked is if you think this is a good thing, if so why, if not why not?

We have some insecurities around which I urge you to put to the side.

And Once again, thread is about India.

What happened in the 35th over in Pakistan vs <choose one> is irrelevant to what happens in India.

 

[JattMaula]

Just to reiterate.

This India crowd phenomenon is noticed by all.

Boult also mentioned it, as is Cummins now.

Question being asked is if you think this is a good thing, if so why, if not why not?

We have some insecurities around which I urge you to put to the side.

And Once again, thread is about India.

What happened in the 35th over in Pakistan vs <choose one> is irrelevant to what happens in India.

We don't police other peoples reaction . We don't teach people to behave in certain way.

So crowd reaction is a natural phenomenon. It isn't good or bad because it's not my place to judge paying audiences legal behaviour.

I'm sure "real" cricket fans like yourself have a checklist of hard rules a cricket crowd must follow to be considered normal. I'm sure we don't fit the defination of a "sporting crowd". .

Give us your opinion to miggy bhai. Is it bad? If yes, how bad is it? What should we do to meet the standard set by Cummins and Boult?

 

[OMB]

In a nutshell, it’s not right.
Good play should be applauded, no matter which side you are on.
Silence is natural but then do clap once you have digested the bad news.
It’s just a game of cricket after all

 

[Thanos]

And this is your great comeback?

Like I said above

India Button pressed.

The poster I replied to was thankful for improvement in Indian situation, I hoped for Pakistan as true cricket fan.

 

[Mesozoic]

This. Except Lanka, you can see this in all of South Asia.

Not even Lanka lol.

Remember the 2012 WT20 final against West Indies? Tony Greig was in the commentary that day and he repeatedly pointed out the silence when Lanka was collapsing in their chase.

 

[Mesozoic]

Boult also mentioned it, as is Cummins now.

If Boult and Cummins were playing an ICC tournament in Pakistan, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka infront of a 30k packed home crowd, they'd say the same thing. This is not just an India thing no matter how desperate you try to make it to be.

 

[nish_mate]

Can't speak for the masses and never attended a match in India, but personally would applaud opposition on a landmark, wicket etc. with exception of one team (not Pakistan)

IMHO centuries, half centuries etc from opponents should be applauded spontaneously to acknowledge the feat even if its hurting your team

Same for 5fers, ridiculous monster sixes or incredible fielding.

Not just India but anywhere.


Having said that India and all other hosting nations should make it a hostile environment like Gabba, Edgbaston etc. when opponents are playing

Intimidate the opponents without invoking religion or ethnicity or abuse, make them feel uncomfortable and fidgety.

 

[RexRex]

Indians are emotional about cricket. They don't like it when they see team losing.

Same isn't true in countries like England or Australia where it's just a sports and sunday afternoon entertainment.

There's truth to this. For India, cricket is about intense nationalism and pride.

 

[kumjsr]

Just to reiterate.

This India crowd phenomenon is noticed by all.

Boult also mentioned it, as is Cummins now.

Question being asked is if you think this is a good thing, if so why, if not why not?

We have some insecurities around which I urge you to put to the side.

And Once again, thread is about India.

What happened in the 35th over in Pakistan vs <choose one> is irrelevant to what happens in India.

Why does anyone need to put good or bad label to everything? What purpose does such labelling serve? From where are we getting this requirement of labelling things and making emotions and behavior.

I might be much younger than you, but one of the learning that I have is that avoid treating life as binary. Unless it's really needed, we shouldn't try to mark everything 0 or 1.

I have seen this type of situation in India where people try to classify things into 2 categories all the time - good v bad, success v failures etc and I have noticed that such type of classification really dents confidence of people and hamper their growth.

For ex - students are classified success or failures, smart or dumb and they become underconfident. Once they overcome that label and work hard, they are able to improve. Similarly parents also classify behavior of their kids as good or bad instead of taking middle ground and it affects their growth.

Unless it's really needed, we shouldn't be trying to say this is completely unacceptable, that is good, it is bad especially if it comes naturally and doesn't harm anyone.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Indian fans dont clap or appreciate when the opposition team is playing well and this has been our history since decades. While other fans may instinctively clap at a good shot played by Kohli or Kane we are instinctively disappointed that our team is not playing well. You dont need to have standard fan behaviour all over. You dont see NZ fans or English fans being noisy like sub-continent fans. To each their own.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Can't speak for the masses and never attended a match in India, but personally would applaud opposition on a landmark, wicket etc. with exception of one team (not Pakistan)

IMHO centuries, half centuries etc from opponents should be applauded spontaneously to acknowledge the feat even if its hurting your team

Same for 5fers, ridiculous monster sixes or incredible fielding.

Not just India but anywhere.


Having said that India and all other hosting nations should make it a hostile environment like Gabba, Edgbaston etc. when opponents are playing

Intimidate the opponents without invoking religion or ethnicity or abuse, make them feel uncomfortable and fidgety.

Well, Mitchell too was applauded after he completed his 100 in the SF. The question here is was Mitchell applauded every time he hit a towering 6 including the 105m one.

 

[nish_mate]

Well, Mitchell too was applauded after he completed his 100 in the SF. The question here is was Mitchell applauded every time he hit a towering 6 including the 105m one.

As I said can't speak for the masses or others, but I would applaud monster sixes or brilliant but of cricketing, even if it hurts my team.

But on the other hand, make it a hair raising intimidating environment for the opponents without invoking bigotry,religion, ethnicity etc etc

Athletico Madrid comes to mind or Galtasaray , absolute cauldron

 

[MenInG]

As I said can't speak for the masses or others, but I would applaud monster sixes or brilliant but of cricketing, even if it hurts my team.

But on the other hand, make it a hair raising intimidating environment for the opponents without invoking bigotry,religion, ethnicity etc etc

Athletico Madrid comes to mind or Galtasaray , absolute cauldron

I feel there should be home advantage but not in this way. Seems very odd to me.

 

[MenInG]

Indian fans dont clap or appreciate when the opposition team is playing well and this has been our history since decades. While other fans may instinctively clap at a good shot played by Kohli or Kane we are instinctively disappointed that our team is not playing well. You dont need to have standard fan behaviour all over. You dont see NZ fans or English fans being noisy like sub-continent fans. To each their own.

I am asking as fan and citizen of the world to challenge status quo.

 

[nish_mate]

I feel there should be home advantage but not in this way. Seems very odd to me.

Why not Miggy Saab, you are playing WC, crowd should be your 12th player.

OK maybe for tourneys and tests only, not meaningless bilateral LOI series.

As long as its respectful in terms of religion, nationality, ethnicity, no bigotry
Then aggression and psyching the oppo is fine.

Hypothetically if India was playing Pakistan in Pakistan and crowd goes chanting Miandad sixes, CT17, Aaqib Javed hat trick, Anwar 194 etc, it's perfectly acceptable and would indeed encourage it.

Hospitality should be off the field and outside the game, when it's match time, no yard given and make it hell for oppos.

Gabba and Edgbaston as I said

 

[OMB]

Let’s see if I get a chance to applaud Warner and Travis head if (when) they cart our bowlers to the stands tomorrow
Will try following advice of all Non aussies

 

[kumjsr]

I feel there should be home advantage but not in this way. Seems very odd to me.

I am asking as fan and citizen of the world to challenge status quo.

While it's understandable that why it seems odd to you and some others as they won't behave in same way.

But something being odd and not same as my preference doesn't mean I call it unacceptable and start challenging it. It would be make me intolerant towards diversity that we see among people all over the world.

As long as it is not harming others, we should embrace different types of reaction and behavior people show as per their emotion.

Other way one of my friend was complaining about people dance like crazy whenever camera turned towards them. As per him it's not good behavior, but I disagree with such type of assessment. While I don't start jumping up and down, start waving posters when camera turns towards my stand, I don't despise those who do.

 

[FearlessRoar]

There is pin drop silence only when Pakistan does well on the soil of India. For Afghanistan and other teams, they cheer up. I will never understand this biasness from Gujarat's crowd.

Please note I'm only talking about Gujarat's crowd.