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Abdul Razzaq speaking on TV

"Whenever a statement comes out from Mickey Arthur, it seems to be done with the agreement of the Board"

"Mickey Arthur should be careful about the type of statements he makes; players need a good word and motivation from him"

"Yes I am working on my fitness nowadays; I have spoken to the QG manager, Nadeem Omar and Moin Bhai and they all say that if I maintain my fitness in FC then definitely we will consider you"

"I feel that if I can play for 2 years in PSL, it will be great for my career"
 
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Woohoo that's big news! I hope he does play, would love to see him back in action. And it gives Quetta more matchwinners, not wholly reliant on international stars.
 
He's 38, Mohammad Shami is 27. Must say, a lot of cricketers look very old for their age.
 
Like "Emerging" quota, PSL needs a "Buzurg" quota as well - it should bring some of the PAK greats back in the game - Razzak, MoYo, YK, Waquar, Wasim, Ul Haq, Ijaz, Shoaib, Mahmood, Mushi, Saq ......

It's a great opportunity for Mickey to learn few tricks about motivation, man-management from Abdul Razzak............
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] you were spot on in your previous post about PSL age and seniors w to carry on till 50...Misbah is not retiringanting and now this,,,,,,lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzPakistani cricket par Allah Raham karray.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] you were spot on in your previous post about PSL age and seniors w to carry on till 50...Misbah is not retiringanting and now this,,,,,,lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzPakistani cricket par Allah Raham karray.

Easy money, you know.

people spending 2/3 hours on cricket here seems to be impressed with what A Razzak did 10-12 years back, forgetting that the guy will be 39 by next PSL, being a fast medium all-rounder and born as 5-7 years old ..... in a game that needs extreme reflex, quick burst of power and hand-eye coordination. On top of that, in his mid 20s, he was as good as Danish Kaneria in fielding ......

But, I won't be surprised if he indeed makes it for QG - I have mentioned many times, T20 owners are rich, but they have hardly any passion for the game; therefore it's easy to bluff them. What AR needs is couple of agents to sell his WSC MoS story in 1999-00 or the 2009 T20 WC to the people that Nadeem Omer trusts on cricket ........ and manage Moin/Sarfraz - he can easily play for couple of years and I can bet, he'll do much better than Misbah.
 
Man if this happens PSL will be like WWE you never know which retired and forgotten player will show up next.
 
Easy money, you know.

people spending 2/3 hours on cricket here seems to be impressed with what A Razzak did 10-12 years back, forgetting that the guy will be 39 by next PSL, being a fast medium all-rounder and born as 5-7 years old ..... in a game that needs extreme reflex, quick burst of power and hand-eye coordination. On top of that, in his mid 20s, he was as good as Danish Kaneria in fielding ......

But, I won't be surprised if he indeed makes it for QG - I have mentioned many times, T20 owners are rich, but they have hardly any passion for the game; therefore it's easy to bluff them. What AR needs is couple of agents to sell his WSC MoS story in 1999-00 or the 2009 T20 WC to the people that Nadeem Omer trusts on cricket ........ and manage Moin/Sarfraz - he can easily play for couple of years and I can bet, he'll do much better than Misbah.

Nadeem umar war torn apart on a private sports channel about his biased selection policy.I am so happy that QG this time did not make into the finals and ISU with the youngest squad won it with buzarg baba
on bench.Should be an eye opener for other franchises.
 
Sadly, Razak is dreaming and it is another desperate attempt by a ‘long past it’ senior trying to earn a buck. I don’t blame him for this.

However :

1. Watching Razzak play nowadays, he is clearly a guy who real age is past 40.

2. He was dropped by Hem Heath after one very poor season where he struggled desperately - and this was 2 years ago.

3. In morning he following season he played a lower level of club cricket and fared even worse.

He is no longer good enough to be a club level pro. Anything over this is a pipe dream. I wish him luck and hope he finds an alternative option to playing.
 
He actually had a great chance to play for Lahore Qalanders in PSL 1, but his ego got the better of him.

So after three PSL seasons he feels he can play in it now? Isn't that ridiculous?
 
Basically he seems to be saying that 2 years of earning good money would be good for him....
 
I would actually love to see Razzaq play in the PSL, no jokes, as a lower order hitter.
 
Easy money, you know.

people spending 2/3 hours on cricket here seems to be impressed with what A Razzak did 10-12 years back, forgetting that the guy will be 39 by next PSL, being a fast medium all-rounder and born as 5-7 years old ..... in a game that needs extreme reflex, quick burst of power and hand-eye coordination. On top of that, in his mid 20s, he was as good as Danish Kaneria in fielding ......

But, I won't be surprised if he indeed makes it for QG - I have mentioned many times, T20 owners are rich, but they have hardly any passion for the game; therefore it's easy to bluff them. What AR needs is couple of agents to sell his WSC MoS story in 1999-00 or the 2009 T20 WC to the people that Nadeem Omer trusts on cricket ........ and manage Moin/Sarfraz - he can easily play for couple of years and I can bet, he'll do much better than Misbah.

If Darren Sammy can play half the PSL limping around, making money a top category... why can't Razzaq?

Afridi gets praised for his big sixes, and he hasn't batted decently in one game. How much worse can Razzaq do. He is not the bowler he used to be but certainly his clean hitting can come in handy.
 
I would rather see Razzaq on a cricketing pitch than a 45 year old Misbah next year
 
I always thought Razzaq leaving a wrong'un against Imran Tahir to get clean bowled will be the last I ever saw of him as a player though... that was truly the end of the great Abdur Razzaq
 
If Darren Sammy can play half the PSL limping around, making money a top category... why can't Razzaq?

Afridi gets praised for his big sixes, and he hasn't batted decently in one game. How much worse can Razzaq do. He is not the bowler he used to be but certainly his clean hitting can come in handy.

I don't think Sammy was limping to make money - rather, he would have made same amount sitting in AC dressing room; you may check any such contracts, which covers injury in payment clause. It'll be a bit shallow even for you to disgrace the guy, who risked a major injury for the sake of his team - the guy showed us why a cricket Captain is a leader; while Abdul Razzak left PAK cricket to become ICL's bunny. Besides, Sammy is 35/36 now, and he was born as 0 days old - at "actual" 35, Razzak could have made money from World T20 XI ......

Afridi still is quite good T20 player - on sluggish wickets, his 4 overs are almost match winning considering the spin playing quality of modern era, besides he can hit - for short duration, but explosively. His leg spin will be effective even next year, if it's in UAE as Leggies mature with age and it's not a demanding job like pace bowling, rather it's a cunning job. And that catch ........

If you have noticed AR's career - his ODI SR is around 80, T20 around 117, which indicates, even at his peak, guy needed some time to start blasting. At this age, I am not sure from which batting slot he'll make money in a T20 game .... for bowling, I guess you probably also know ....
 
Wow these guys don't know when there time is up. Need to try and reduce the age of the teams in the PSL.
 
Razzaq for someone who was always very quiet during his playing days sure does like telling coaches what they should or shouldnt be doing Someone that loves to criticise no matter what in my opinion
 
Yes Mickey should take lessons on man management from one of the laziest and unfit players in recent memory.
 
I don't think Sammy was limping to make money - rather, he would have made same amount sitting in AC dressing room; you may check any such contracts, which covers injury in payment clause. It'll be a bit shallow even for you to disgrace the guy, who risked a major injury for the sake of his team - the guy showed us why a cricket Captain is a leader; while Abdul Razzak left PAK cricket to become ICL's bunny. Besides, Sammy is 35/36 now, and he was born as 0 days old - at "actual" 35, Razzak could have made money from World T20 XI ......

Afridi still is quite good T20 player - on sluggish wickets, his 4 overs are almost match winning considering the spin playing quality of modern era, besides he can hit - for short duration, but explosively. His leg spin will be effective even next year, if it's in UAE as Leggies mature with age and it's not a demanding job like pace bowling, rather it's a cunning job. And that catch ........

If you have noticed AR's career - his ODI SR is around 80, T20 around 117, which indicates, even at his peak, guy needed some time to start blasting. At this age, I am not sure from which batting slot he'll make money in a T20 game .... for bowling, I guess you probably also know ....

In t20s he barely played in his prime, always slotted after Afridi he hardly ever got a chance to make it big. In 2007 he never played, he was brought in late in 2009, but never credited for his bowling in the final . Afridi made sure he stole his limelight. He was well past it in 2012.

Tried to make a comeback in 2013 but was bamboozled by Tahir. That was the end of it. His issues with the board were another story altogether. Still believe he is a much better batsman than Afridi who has more hitting ability. Hits the ball cleaner, and is much better hitter of fast bowlers than Razzaq.
 
In t20s he barely played in his prime, always slotted after Afridi he hardly ever got a chance to make it big. In 2007 he never played, he was brought in late in 2009, but never credited for his bowling in the final . Afridi made sure he stole his limelight. He was well past it in 2012.

Tried to make a comeback in 2013 but was bamboozled by Tahir. That was the end of it. His issues with the board were another story altogether. Still believe he is a much better batsman than Afridi who has more hitting ability. Hits the ball cleaner, and is much better hitter of fast bowlers than Razzaq.

Bro, why clutching straw? This thread has nothing to do with Afridi, who is on his own right a T20 legend and a PAK superstar. He is still a hot cake in PSL because his name still sells - just check the crowd on the day Afridi’s team has a game in National T20 or PSL. I use the term “bankruptcy of PAK cricket” - it’s not Lala’s fault that Shahid Khan has replaced Imran Khan .... it’s not bankruptcy- it’s shut down.

But, as a player, Afridi is at least twice loyal to PAK cricket and it’s course than Razzak - he was offered INR 25 crore (?) for 2 seasons at ICL; Mashrafee 16 crore - by far highest from two countries, they didn’t accept. In 2007-8, for a PAK player even 5 crore INR/year was lucrative enough. But, here in this thread he shouldn’t have even mentioned for good or bad reasons, neither Sammy, who is one of the biggest ambassadors of PSL.

Coming to AR, the idea is just sickening that players of that age is trying to find a space in a youngman’s game through their contacts. Besides, guy already had a role in PSL - he could have asked for more authority, could have asked for sponsors for his coaching badge in UK, instead........ it’s shameful you know. And, it’s alarming - Misbah, MoHa, Malik, Sami, Afridi, Tanvir, ..... are already walking in that way, no need more names to join them.
 
In t20s he barely played in his prime, always slotted after Afridi he hardly ever got a chance to make it big. In 2007 he never played, he was brought in late in 2009, but never credited for his bowling in the final . Afridi made sure he stole his limelight. He was well past it in 2012.

Tried to make a comeback in 2013 but was bamboozled by Tahir. That was the end of it. His issues with the board were another story altogether. Still believe he is a much better batsman than Afridi who has more hitting ability. Hits the ball cleaner, and is much better hitter of fast bowlers than Razzaq.

Yes Afridi scored a match winning fifty in the World T20 Final and stole the limelight. I think he deservedly stole the limelight. He and Hafeez had a lot of issues with each other, and with Hafeez being the T20 captain, he was dumped in 2012-2013, but let's be honest, he was well past it and didn't score a run after that in domestics. His fielding has always been pathetic. His bowling had been on a progressive decline since 2004. Now 2-3 years after playing competitive cricket, I dont think he has the reflexes to even pick the variations of the bowlers let alone hitting them for a boundary. Afridi to his credit has kept himself busy playing cricket, has maintained relatively better fitness and hasn't fallen out with any of his team mate.
 
Bro, why clutching straw? This thread has nothing to do with Afridi, who is on his own right a T20 legend and a PAK superstar. He is still a hot cake in PSL because his name still sells - just check the crowd on the day Afridi’s team has a game in National T20 or PSL. I use the term “bankruptcy of PAK cricket” - it’s not Lala’s fault that Shahid Khan has replaced Imran Khan .... it’s not bankruptcy- it’s shut down.

But, as a player, Afridi is at least twice loyal to PAK cricket and it’s course than Razzak - he was offered INR 25 crore (?) for 2 seasons at ICL; Mashrafee 16 crore - by far highest from two countries, they didn’t accept. In 2007-8, for a PAK player even 5 crore INR/year was lucrative enough. But, here in this thread he shouldn’t have even mentioned for good or bad reasons, neither Sammy, who is one of the biggest ambassadors of PSL.

Coming to AR, the idea is just sickening that players of that age is trying to find a space in a youngman’s game through their contacts. Besides, guy already had a role in PSL - he could have asked for more authority, could have asked for sponsors for his coaching badge in UK, instead........ it’s shameful you know. And, it’s alarming - Misbah, MoHa, Malik, Sami, Afridi, Tanvir, ..... are already walking in that way, no need more names to join them.

Factually incorrect since Big Bash Leagues has alot of retired stars playing still... If I'm not wrong Brad Hogg played in the PSL and BBL until he was 40.

Same for the IPL where Ashish Nehra just retired last year..

Azhar Mahmood played county until he started coaching in Pakistan.

Why are you getting hurt if they are cashing in their experience.?
 
Yes Afridi scored a match winning fifty in the World T20 Final and stole the limelight. I think he deservedly stole the limelight. He and Hafeez had a lot of issues with each other, and with Hafeez being the T20 captain, he was dumped in 2012-2013, but let's be honest, he was well past it and didn't score a run after that in domestics. His fielding has always been pathetic. His bowling had been on a progressive decline since 2004. Now 2-3 years after playing competitive cricket, I dont think he has the reflexes to even pick the variations of the bowlers let alone hitting them for a boundary. Afridi to his credit has kept himself busy playing cricket, has maintained relatively better fitness and hasn't fallen out with any of his team mate.

I could be wrong, it can't be worse than Sammy hopping on one leg. He can always be benched but its no harm giving him a chance. Razzaq still has big fans around, and he is not the media presence that Afridi has, but he has a huge contingent of supporters who would like to see him play, he can always be benched if he doesn't perform.... Razzaq was a better allrounder than Afridi, who wasn't even an allrounder until 2007... which is 10 years of his career
 
I could be wrong, it can't be worse than Sammy hopping on one leg. He can always be benched but its no harm giving him a chance. Razzaq still has big fans around, and he is not the media presence that Afridi has, but he has a huge contingent of supporters who would like to see him play, he can always be benched if he doesn't perform.... Razzaq was a better allrounder than Afridi, who wasn't even an allrounder until 2007... which is 10 years of his career

Sammy isn't an allrounder anymore tbh. He barely ever bowls. Sammy is a good finisher for t20s and he's a fantastic leader, that's about it. Sammy has consistently been playing and his reflexes and power is still intact even if his leg isn't working fully. In addition to that, Sammy barely ever runs, he relies on boundaries. Razzaq wasnt the guy who used to start smashing from ball 1. He would take his time to get going, block quite a few before getting it on. I highly doubt at Razzaq's age, he would be able to add something to the team. Sammy atleast has the ability to charge up the boys. Abdul Razzaq has never been known to be a leader, in fact the only game he ever captained Pakistan in was a thrashing 12 years ago to this day. The 3rd ODI where Samuels hit his maiden century.
 
Sammy isn't an allrounder anymore tbh. He barely ever bowls. Sammy is a good finisher for t20s and he's a fantastic leader, that's about it. Sammy has consistently been playing and his reflexes and power is still intact even if his leg isn't working fully. In addition to that, Sammy barely ever runs, he relies on boundaries. Razzaq wasnt the guy who used to start smashing from ball 1. He would take his time to get going, block quite a few before getting it on. I highly doubt at Razzaq's age, he would be able to add something to the team. Sammy atleast has the ability to charge up the boys. Abdul Razzaq has never been known to be a leader, in fact the only game he ever captained Pakistan in was a thrashing 12 years ago to this day. The 3rd ODI where Samuels hit his maiden century.

No harm in giving him a chance and seeing what he's got. Specially for a team like Quetta, who's players usually abandon them in a knockout playoff
 
No harm in giving him a chance and seeing what he's got. Specially for a team like Quetta, who's players usually abandon them in a knockout playoff

Better to try and find a new seam bowling allrounder than just to pick a worn out has-been for the sake of nostalgia.
IU picked Husain Talat and Amad
PZ picked Umaid and Hammad
LQ picked Yamin and Bhatti
KK and MS relied on foreign players for allrounders
QG has Anwar Ali who is a good lower order batter but a below average bowler.

They need to find one from emerging category cause barring Akbar ur Rehman(who already played for QG in 2016) is already 35, there isn't any allrounder in the domestics apart from those already selected by PSL teams. I think rather than picking Azam Khan and keeping him on the bench, it is better if they conduct talent hunts and try and find some new prospect should try and hire someone like Fleming or Jayawardene who have good eye for identifying players with potential.
 
I had to read a few posts to believe what was written in original post.
I mean, really? Razzaq wants to play again?

Wow!
 
Factually incorrect since Big Bash Leagues has alot of retired stars playing still... If I'm not wrong Brad Hogg played in the PSL and BBL until he was 40.

Same for the IPL where Ashish Nehra just retired last year..

Azhar Mahmood played county until he started coaching in Pakistan.

Why are you getting hurt if they are cashing in their experience.?


Brad Hogg played last FC game 10 years back, since then he has become a T20 specialist and he is playing T20 continuously across globe. Nehra is just retired from all sorts of cricket and his last game was a T20I - means guy was picked by IND till his last day as player, so obviously your example doesn't correct facts.

What Razzak has played, at which level to justify a come back in 4th PSL after being inactive in first 3 at this age?

I am not hurt if he can cash from his experience - he had a fantastic opportunity for that, as a Coach and he can develop a career out of professional coaching. Instead, he is trying to return back as player leaving coaching role!!!!! Azhar's example would have been appropriate had he joined PSL leaving PAK coaching role (which I am fearing might become a trend in future...) - he played Counties and move into Coaching role - not sure what's your point bringing him here.
 
Brad Hogg played last FC game 10 years back, since then he has become a T20 specialist and he is playing T20 continuously across globe. Nehra is just retired from all sorts of cricket and his last game was a T20I - means guy was picked by IND till his last day as player, so obviously your example doesn't correct facts.

What Razzak has played, at which level to justify a come back in 4th PSL after being inactive in first 3 at this age?

I am not hurt if he can cash from his experience - he had a fantastic opportunity for that, as a Coach and he can develop a career out of professional coaching. Instead, he is trying to return back as player leaving coaching role!!!!! Azhar's example would have been appropriate had he joined PSL leaving PAK coaching role (which I am fearing might become a trend in future...) - he played Counties and move into Coaching role - not sure what's your point bringing him here.

Well Azhar played in the counties, so its not like players coaching can't make a gig as a player, which basically begs to ask me what are you trying to point out here. Is a 38 year old too old for you when a 45 year old is still playing? Granted he can prove he can play in the PSL. He played pretty in the MCL, which is an oldies league, but he did pretty well.
 
Better to try and find a new seam bowling allrounder than just to pick a worn out has-been for the sake of nostalgia.
IU picked Husain Talat and Amad
PZ picked Umaid and Hammad
LQ picked Yamin and Bhatti
KK and MS relied on foreign players for allrounders
QG has Anwar Ali who is a good lower order batter but a below average bowler.

They need to find one from emerging category cause barring Akbar ur Rehman(who already played for QG in 2016) is already 35, there isn't any allrounder in the domestics apart from those already selected by PSL teams. I think rather than picking Azam Khan and keeping him on the bench, it is better if they conduct talent hunts and try and find some new prospect should try and hire someone like Fleming or Jayawardene who have good eye for identifying players with potential.

Razzaq can do better than Anwar ALi as a lower order batsman. He is not old, he is not worst off than Afridi the batsman.
 
Well Azhar played in the counties, so its not like players coaching can't make a gig as a player, which basically begs to ask me what are you trying to point out here. Is a 38 year old too old for you when a 45 year old is still playing? Granted he can prove he can play in the PSL. He played pretty in the MCL, which is an oldies league, but he did pretty well.

If still don't get it then you won't get it ever - I can't make someone awaken, who is pretending to be slept. Sammy, Afridi, Hogg, Nehra back fired, so we are back to Azhar - it's called running in circles.

One for the last time, you can disagree with that. AR is finished as a cricketer - you are trolling yourself calling him 38 (39 actually, by next PSL). Last he played AFG T20 league where they put him at 8 and his only over went for 14 ..... He had retired from cricket, which was a condition for his NOC at Masters league. Then he joined PSL as coach. The point that you are pretending not to understand is that Mahmood played in County as latest as July 2016 (T20, FC in 2014), then he moved to coaching and still sticking to that - he hasn't even tried to make a GIG in cricket as player again. It's quite possible for players coaching to make a gig as a player simultaneously; but it's stupid to use that as an example where a retired player is wishing to come back as player from coaching career.

Your last line is pure nonsense, which I believe you also do realize, therefore I don't need to explain it. Few weeks back Wasim & Waquar played some T10s, though those were exhibition matches, but they did pretty well ....

I understand from where the issue started in my post, and it's forcing you to keep dragging it - among few others, I did mention Sarfraz's name. Truth is, that is one of the ace Razzak is holding for his latest khoaish - good terms with Sarfraz; impact of which, I don't think I need to explain with examples here in PP. Read from first to last of my response in each of your posts, whatever you brought, you got answer for that - next time, please bring someone else apart from the 5/6 players already mentioned.

Razzak can indeed play in PSL - if Asad can open in T20 regularly, and Anwar Ali can play all 11 games, while top 2 U25 players of Country caring drinks for whole PSL, then everything is possible in that QG team Captained by Sarfraz, coached by Moin and owned by Nadeem Omer (I don't know the guy, but do know the other 2). My point was, it'll be a bad precedence in PSL - obsolete oldies using their contacts to come back from retirement and earn a contract, depriving younger players. Obviously Razzak can't make it as emerging .............

Misbah is forcing his way for a Platinum contract - that wasn't enough, so we need Razzak to make a come back to prove the point - indeed a great topic to argue.
 
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If still don't get it then you won't get it ever - I can't make someone awaken, who is pretending to be slept. Sammy, Afridi, Hogg, Nehra back fired, so we are back to Azhar - it's called running in circles.

One for the last time, you can disagree with that. AR is finished as a cricketer - you are trolling yourself calling him 38 (39 actually, by next PSL). Last he played AFG T20 league where they put him at 8 and his only over went for 14 ..... He had retired from cricket, which was a condition for his NOC at Masters league. Then he joined PSL as coach. The point that you are pretending not to understand is that Mahmood played in County as latest as July 2016 (T20, FC in 2014), then he moved to coaching and still sticking to that - he hasn't even tried to make a GIG in cricket as player again. It's quite possible for players coaching to make a gig as a player simultaneously; but it's stupid to use that as an example where a retired player is wishing to come back as player from coaching career.

Your last line is pure nonsense, which I believe you also do realize, therefore I don't need to explain it. Few weeks back Wasim & Waquar played some T10s, though those were exhibition matches, but they did pretty well ....

I understand from where the issue started in my post, and it's forcing you to keep dragging it - among few others, I did mention Sarfraz's name. Truth is, that is one of the ace Razzak is holding for his latest khoaish - good terms with Sarfraz; impact of which, I don't think I need to explain with examples here in PP. Read from first to last of my response in each of your posts, whatever you brought, you got answer for that - next time, please bring someone else apart from the 5/6 players already mentioned.

Razzak can indeed play in PSL - if Asad can open in T20 regularly, and Anwar Ali can play all 11 games, while top 2 U25 players of Country caring drinks for whole PSL, then everything is possible in that QG team Captained by Sarfraz, coached by Moin and owned by Nadeem Omer (I don't know the guy, but do know the other 2). My point was, it'll be a bad precedence in PSL - obsolete oldies using their contacts to come back from retirement and earn a contract, depriving younger players. Obviously Razzak can't make it as emerging .............

Misbah is forcing his way for a Platinum contract - that wasn't enough, so we need Razzak to make a come back to prove the point - indeed a great topic to argue.

Well once again you fail to get my point, Hafeez, Misbah, Tanvir, Pietersen, Hodge, Hogg, Smith, Watson, Sangakarra, Akmal,

All playing in the wee years of their 30s (except misbah). These players have been playing in t20 leagues around the world. Now if you can't see the fact that these players are the only ones playing, what is harming you to see one more added. THese names are not going anywhere anytime soon. Razzaq is an ATG allrounder, and would be amazing in t20s as a player, had Afridi not taken his limelight as a player, and then as a captain. PCB have done him hard, and have largely ignored him. Before the berth of PSL, he could have served Pakistan cricket a good 2-3 till the 2011 world cup, we persisted with Malik (also a failure like Razzaq) but got rid of Razzaq because of he didn't get along with PCB board members. Now PSL is a league for Pakistanis, its got Pakistan written all over it. PCB owe it to Razzaq to give him a final opportunity in his career as a player, because he didnt get the credit he deserves as a player, despite being a more consistent performer than Afridi.

Yes Afridi, post 2009 world cups show no performance at all, he has largely been a failure in both ODIs and t20s, yet only played due to his reputation. A player like Razzaq may have sucked more than Afridi, but I fail to see any arguement in the fact that a hopping Darren Sammy, and a mistiming Afridi can be worse off than Abdur Razzaq... who can genuinely clear the fence as good, if not better than these players.

He is not an outsider, he is a Pakistani. A Pakistani player asking to play his league.... he is not talking about a foreign league but a local one. If it was BPL, or BBL we would be really talking about a dilution of the standard.

This is the PSL, the batting talent is already very shallow, in 3 tournaments we have seen a handful of performers get to the top because of the form they brought in. So much that Akmals, and Shehzads made it to the Pakistan team.

In the first PSL you got Sharjeel, second PSL you got a rejuvenated Kamran Akmal and Fakhar Zaman, in the 3rd PSL you received 2-3 names like talat, Salman or Asif Ali.

They haven't done anything outstanding, but still despite all that they did get selected. By outstanding I mean I didn't see any of them chase down a total of 200 singlehandedly, nor did they guide the team to an outstanding total. We just saw them getting their teams to decent totals which made them fighting totals nothing more.

Sanga, Watson, Malik, Kamran, Ronchi, Pollard, Pieterson are the still the top players of the PSL. They have done really well, I haven't seen any player from Pakistan in all 3 formats made an impact like Kamran has so regulary and so on a consistent basis.

So we are at a really long shot from saying, we are producing WORLD CLASS talent in the PSL. None of them have set the stage alight as batsmen. Most of the teams usually rely foreign players or Kamran akmal to take them home.

Now is this the standard that you are really worried about diluting? A standard that sees no team chase down 200. A tournament where teams can't chase down totals if they are numerous Pakistani players in them (i,e Lahore Qalandars). A tournament where Kamran Akmal is a beast of a player must have a really low standard.

A tournament where a player can captain the side hopping around for most of his games. Or a star player like Afridi, who is more than 40, has a belly out, makes big bucks, but can't even finish a game for his team,

Look around the PSL, it is a tournament of has-beens. It will not chase anytime soon, since we need these players to fill our International quota of players. none of the big guys are still partcipating in our league, so we will only see these names. Don't think an Abdur Razzaq will really dilute the standard when we really scraping the bottom in terms of the batting display we have seen there.
 
Razzaq can do better than Anwar ALi as a lower order batsman. He is not old, he is not worst off than Afridi the batsman.

Not really. Age and fitness and time interval since last playing competitive cricket matters a lot. Don't think he still has got it. His abysmal fitness levels would mean his movement and trigger movement would be too slow and misplaced now to get in the position to hit the ball properly.
 
Not really. Age and fitness and time interval since last playing competitive cricket matters a lot. Don't think he still has got it. His abysmal fitness levels would mean his movement and trigger movement would be too slow and misplaced now to get in the position to hit the ball properly.

People seem to think just because razzaq is 40 or so he can still perform at a decent level

They dont seem to get that age is not a factor as long as you have recent competitive form and fitness

Nostalgia is great but you have to be realistic Razzaq was finished as a player several years back

The likes of hogg, afridi, misbah have been playing competitive cricket over the last few years and hence can get away with being 40plus

What cricket has razzaq played in recent years? The guy is no shape and form to be thinking of coming back at his age Absurd tbh
 
People seem to think just because razzaq is 40 or so he can still perform at a decent level

They dont seem to get that age is not a factor as long as you have recent competitive form and fitness

Nostalgia is great but you have to be realistic Razzaq was finished as a player several years back

The likes of hogg, afridi, misbah have been playing competitive cricket over the last few years and hence can get away with being 40plus

What cricket has razzaq played in recent years? The guy is no shape and form to be thinking of coming back at his age Absurd tbh

That's what i have been saying. In addition to that, he is a seamer which makes his task all the more difficult as pacers need maximum fitness to be able to perform.
 
Not really. Age and fitness and time interval since last playing competitive cricket matters a lot. Don't think he still has got it. His abysmal fitness levels would mean his movement and trigger movement would be too slow and misplaced now to get in the position to hit the ball properly.

When have you seen his fitness? Can you be the judge of that? People have made comebacks, some have done it from retirement as well.

How is somebody like Razzaq diluting the level of our league, when infact we rely almost always on the has beens to get us through in the tournmaent. This league is not IPL or BBL, that we are producing world class talent. Talent is really low and mostly none of them are on the batting side. If you cannot grasp this simple concept then I cannot keep repeating this for you. A league where Kamran Akmal is a top scorer, is a league that is really scraping the bottom of the barrel... addition of Razzaq won't harm anyone.
 
That's what i have been saying. In addition to that, he is a seamer which makes his task all the more difficult as pacers need maximum fitness to be able to perform.

I never referred to his batting ability. He can still bat we have seen it. Kindly refer to the MCL tournament that took place. If he wants to play no one, not me, not you can stop him, required he proves his fitness.

For a detailed reply refer to my post above to MMHS
 
The root of the problem here is with Pakistan's seniority culture exemplified by the likes of Misbah who for some reason as a 44/45 year old thinks he'll be good enough to play next year - just like how he overstayed in intl cricket.

Now unfortunately there will be a queue of 38-45 year old players who will want to be knocking on the door. These guys have no shame whatsoever.

Misbah had the chance to end on a high after winning the PSL because I don't see him retiring soon even though he's way past it.
 
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I never referred to his batting ability. He can still bat we have seen it. Kindly refer to the MCL tournament that took place. If he wants to play no one, not me, not you can stop him, required he proves his fitness.

For a detailed reply refer to my post above to MMHS

The same MCL, where the likes of totally unfit Heath Streak, out of touch for over a decade Brian Lara and other has beens were playing. Plus that tournament was over 2 years ago.
 
‘Chris Gayle would have generated bigger response from crowd,’ says Abdul Razzaq

KARACHI: Even Najam Sethi, the PCB chairman, wouldn’t have envisaged how the now-concluding Twenty20 International series would unfold while announcing the details of West Indies’ brief trip to Pakistan in Dubai on March 10.

Naturally, the Karachiites were quite excited about international cricket making a return to their city for nine years of isolation and the news of National Stadium hosting the three fixtures was welcomed with open arms and ray of hope for the future as well.

Former Pakistan all-rounder Abdul Razzaq was vocal in stating that had Chris Gayle been playing here, the scenario would had been a huge contrast both in terms of competition and interest among the masses.

“There is no doubt in my mind that if Chris Gayle had come here there would have been tremendous following for this series. Instead of watching lopsided matches, the spectators, who would have jam-packed the stadium, got their money’s worth,” Razzaq said while talking to Dawn on the eve of Tuesday’s inconsequential third and final game.

Razzaq, who is PSL franchise Quetta Gladiators’ assistant coach, lauded the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB)’s efforts in restoring international cricket back in Karachi for the first time since 2009.

“I think the PCB deserves a lot of credit in ensuring international matches are played in Karachi this time. The message worldwide to go from here will encourage other countries to send over their teams to Pakistan. First Lahore and now Karachi have proved Pakistan is as safe as any other country to play cricket,” he commented.

“The Pakistan Super League final last week was a wonderful occasion for the cricket-starved people of Karachi. The West Indies series further cemented this city’s status as a regular venue from now onward. Personally, I had always enjoyed playing here and have some great memories. I’m sure they would be lot of international matches played in the future because I feel Karachi is a peaceful city nowadays.”

Meanwhile, the last game drew a sizeable crowd — unofficial figures quoted by a PCB official at 25,000 — despite being a dead-rubber match. The response of Karachiites in the face of hurdles created by stringent security measures has been quite brilliant.

On way to the stadium on all three days of this series, one saw spectators of different age groups making to the venue either through the provided shuttle service or taking a long walk from the Civic Centre/Expo Centre which are roughly one kilometre away.

“This is one aspect, both the PCB and local administration must address because the paying public deserves to be respected when they come to the matches. Tough [security] measures can be intimidating but things can improve if those in control [of the situation] show more leniency and are more friendly with the spectators,” an elderly fan said.

“I’m a retired professor but I had to accompany three of my grandchildren who are cricket-crazy. And this being the first such occasion after a long time, they insisted I should also come for the match. My request to the authorities is to provide more facilities for the fans when next time matches are held here.”

And despite Pakistan overwhelmingly dominating the visiting side, the series have generated tremendous interest, which augurs well for this city of 21 million with the National Stadium, for the time being, offering a roofless appearance under the night skies but has cricket flourished over the past three days just as West Indies decided to bat for the first time in the series after Jason Mohammed won his second toss.

While Pakistan awarded left-arm fast bowler Shaheen Shah Afridi his maiden cap and recalled Usman Khan Shinwari in place of Mohammad Amir and Hasan Ali, West Indies brought in Andre McCarthy, leaving seamer Kesrick Williams to induct the uncapped all-rounder from Jamaica.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1399384/c...erated-bigger-response-from-crowd-says-razzaq
 
shame he didn't get to play much t20. Thirty odd games, including world cup win. Format would have suited him in his prime!
 
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