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Away average is even worse47 is not a bad average.
Very much on point. I would even move Jadeja upto overall 30 on bowling (similiar to Kumble) if he'd played on true wickets of 2000s.
The 4 allrounders of 80s is also a great myth. Only Botham truly had the ability and output (for a time) to perform as a pure allrounder (i.e. top 6 batter output plus top 4 bowler output). Kapil had the skillset of being a top 6 batter but gave underwhelming output with bat in Tests.
Imran and Hadlee were ATG bowlers who could contribute with bat but no pretensions to being quality batter with Imran giving better output than Hadlee. Imran gets overrated a lot as a technician and batter because the batting lineup in late 80s for Pak was very poor after decline of Zaheer Abbas.
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What about Ishant Sharma or Stephen Fleming??
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Agreed. I know some Indians don't like Miandad because of the Dawood Ibrahim connection (Having seen the Wedding pics, pyar andha hota hai for sure! lol) but he was a great great batsman, no two ways about it. Ask Viv, Ian Botham, Boycott, Chappell brothers, Imran, Wasim Akram, and Gavaskar. You cannot score runs against every opposition. Two of Miandad's 6 double hundreds are outside Asia. 260 at The Oval in 1987 and 271 vs Hadlee and co. Miandad averages more than Gavaskar in England (46.61 vs 41.14) and New Zealand (77.33 vs 43.55). Both were great batsmen - period. A fifty in 1987 and 1992 WC SFs. A fifty in 1992 WC Final. Lara averaged 33 and 36.90 in India and New Zealand, respectively. Is he a lesser batsman for that? surely not
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Don't agree with this. Lyon gets a lot of overspin on the ball and gets it to dip significantly and a lot of bounce as a consequence.
The batsmen are always reaching for the ball.
He actually got more turn in England than even Swann.
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It should change now for Jadeja.
Bat Avg 34-35( deduction for not outs), bowl avg 29. Remember those England pitches were flat and even pacers suffered.
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Are you seriously comparing a top order batter to a lower middle order wk and allrounder?
I know you're a troll but atleast put some effort once in a while.
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In recent times Indians have tried very hard to downplay the legacy of Miandad. As many have already commented in this thread this is primarily due to political reasons. For some reasons Indians find it very difficult to separate Miandads extended family from his cricket career and partly because of the historic rivalry, which was most electric during his plays.
Miandad is a player that Ian Chappell mentioned is "champion if he's on your side, ******* if he's an opponent". This is particularly apt a description when it comes to the Indian feeling towards him, multiplied of course by the political elements I mentioned earlier. Much of this sentiment is modern, at the time despite the fierce rivalry Miandad enjoyed a bond of sorts with Gavaskar and other Indian players, the respect that they have for each other is clear, Gavaskars stories about and Miandad to this day offers his praise and adulation for Gavaskar when given the opportunity.
Now, of course, praise by Indians doesn’t make someone a great cricketer. The reason I am mentioning the historic praise is to highlight the modern twist towards propaganda that has been perpetuated by Indians. They didn’t have these feelings at the time, but now in their droves, they gather once again to rewrite history against a cricketing legend ( they have attempted similar with Wasim, Waqar and Imran).
The reasons for this are obvious. The famous book “hitting against the spin” talks about some of the anti-Miandad rhetoric mentioning that - ’There’s little doubt that much of the Miandad-narrative is tinged with bigotry’.
At the time it was mainy from SENA nations who ruled cricket due to their arrogance and the fact Miandad got under their skin. Now Indians have jumped on the bandwagon due to their bigotry and hatred against Pakistanis. Miandad got out LBW around 9% of the time at home vs 24 away. In isolation these statistics look damning but the book goes on to mention “ Yet he is the one to whom the story wasa ttached. Allan Border was out LBW 6 per cent of the time he batted inAustralia, but 22 per cent away from home; for Desmond Haynes, it was 7 per cent to 29 per cent; Ken Barrington, 7 per cent to 15 per cent. Of the leading Test run scorers between 1950 and 1990, the overwhelming majority had a lower LBW percentage at home.” And “There were only two exceptions. From1950 to 1990, the only countries where home players were given out LBW as often as visitors were New Zealand and England”.
We must also remember that it was Imran himself who took on this challenge and changed the course of cricket history, not some MCC member and not some Indian.
Miandad is without doubt an ATG. He was exceptional in both formats. It’s why Viv Richards says if he wanted a batsman to bat for his life it would be Miandad, and his performances will stand the test of time no matter how much Indians try their best to tear him down.
Miandad is a player that Ian Chappell mentioned is "champion if he's on your side, ******* if he's an opponent". This is particularly apt a description when it comes to the Indian feeling towards him, multiplied of course by the political elements I mentioned earlier. Much of this sentiment is modern, at the time despite the fierce rivalry Miandad enjoyed a bond of sorts with Gavaskar and other Indian players, the respect that they have for each other is clear, Gavaskars stories about and Miandad to this day offers his praise and adulation for Gavaskar when given the opportunity.
Now, of course, praise by Indians doesn’t make someone a great cricketer. The reason I am mentioning the historic praise is to highlight the modern twist towards propaganda that has been perpetuated by Indians. They didn’t have these feelings at the time, but now in their droves, they gather once again to rewrite history against a cricketing legend ( they have attempted similar with Wasim, Waqar and Imran).
The reasons for this are obvious. The famous book “hitting against the spin” talks about some of the anti-Miandad rhetoric mentioning that - ’There’s little doubt that much of the Miandad-narrative is tinged with bigotry’.
At the time it was mainy from SENA nations who ruled cricket due to their arrogance and the fact Miandad got under their skin. Now Indians have jumped on the bandwagon due to their bigotry and hatred against Pakistanis. Miandad got out LBW around 9% of the time at home vs 24 away. In isolation these statistics look damning but the book goes on to mention “ Yet he is the one to whom the story wasa ttached. Allan Border was out LBW 6 per cent of the time he batted inAustralia, but 22 per cent away from home; for Desmond Haynes, it was 7 per cent to 29 per cent; Ken Barrington, 7 per cent to 15 per cent. Of the leading Test run scorers between 1950 and 1990, the overwhelming majority had a lower LBW percentage at home.” And “There were only two exceptions. From1950 to 1990, the only countries where home players were given out LBW as often as visitors were New Zealand and England”.
We must also remember that it was Imran himself who took on this challenge and changed the course of cricket history, not some MCC member and not some Indian.
Miandad is without doubt an ATG. He was exceptional in both formats. It’s why Viv Richards says if he wanted a batsman to bat for his life it would be Miandad, and his performances will stand the test of time no matter how much Indians try their best to tear him down.
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The best example of this is undoubtedly Misbah. He did not deserve to average 40+ in both tests and ODIs.
In tests, his average is inflated by all those runs scored in the UAE.
In ODIs, he batted very selfishly. He would let the run rate go out of control. It would get to point where the batsman at the other end would be forced to hit out and end up getting out. All this would go on, whilst Misbah would quietly stat pad his way up to useless half centuries.
A question to ponder is: why did Misbah never score a single ODI hundred after 149 innings?
Unfortunately for Pakistan cricket, Misbah passed on these selfish traits to Babar and Rizwan, who showcased their inner-Misbah yesterday against West Indies.
Babar and Rizwan both scored a similar number of runs at a similar strike rate.
They scored 100 runs off 133 balls combined. That equates to a strike rate of 75. If they are struggling against West Indies in a bilateral contest, how can we expect them to deliver against the best first string bowling attacks? - that too in ICC tournaments
In tests, his average is inflated by all those runs scored in the UAE.
In ODIs, he batted very selfishly. He would let the run rate go out of control. It would get to point where the batsman at the other end would be forced to hit out and end up getting out. All this would go on, whilst Misbah would quietly stat pad his way up to useless half centuries.
A question to ponder is: why did Misbah never score a single ODI hundred after 149 innings?
Unfortunately for Pakistan cricket, Misbah passed on these selfish traits to Babar and Rizwan, who showcased their inner-Misbah yesterday against West Indies.
Babar and Rizwan both scored a similar number of runs at a similar strike rate.
They scored 100 runs off 133 balls combined. That equates to a strike rate of 75. If they are struggling against West Indies in a bilateral contest, how can we expect them to deliver against the best first string bowling attacks? - that too in ICC tournaments
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Sir Donald Bradman is no where near as good as his stats suggest?
You do realise era's are different correct? Bradman isnt a time traveller, he was born in the same era and was no 1 for that era?
Their is no point of bringing multiple era's and equating them as one due to factors outside of their control at that point in time.
Theirs a reason Viv Richards is considered no 1 or no 2 in odi depending on where you rank kohli deapite his numbers being lower then many others that came later on.
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46 is very good, but in context of this thread it's 10-11 points worse than his career average.
You can sure not do well against one or 2 teams, but if just one non-minnow team + minnows elevate your batting avg by 10-11 points then it makes the player one the best candidate to be singled out for this thread.
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100% - Misbah all day for me.
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He is not a bad test batsmen. People despise him for odi and t20 and hence constantly equate the 2.
Its similar to how people hate Amir for fixing and equate his ban to his cricket and ignore his achievements for 2009 and 2017.
Misbah isnt an ATG test batsmen but he is still very good. 46 is higher but he is comfortably a 40+ avg batter in all conditions excluding aus and sa.
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Ryan ten Doeschate (his average is inflated due to playing so many associates)
Adam Voges (he was good but not as good as his stats suggest; he didn't play enough games)
Thilan Samaraweera (inflated average due to playing a lot on flat tracks; a flat track bully)
Bumrah (suspicious bowling action; picks and chooses games; many of his wickets are tail-ender wickets).
Adam Voges (he was good but not as good as his stats suggest; he didn't play enough games)
Thilan Samaraweera (inflated average due to playing a lot on flat tracks; a flat track bully)
Bumrah (suspicious bowling action; picks and chooses games; many of his wickets are tail-ender wickets).
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Yup. Bumrah the broomstick sweeping up the tail.Ryan ten Doeschate (his average is inflated due to playing so many associates)
Adam Voges (he was good but not as good as his stats suggest; he didn't play enough games)
Thilan Samaraweera (inflated average due to playing a lot on flat tracks; a flat track bully)
Bumrah (suspicious bowling action; picks and chooses games; many of his wickets are tail-ender wickets).
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The cult will never understand the difference between a cricketer and a batsman.
The cult are hell bent on stats, which have served up nothing but humiliation. Teenda is some TEMU god only because of his stats, but is an abject failure given his loses and inability to score hard runs and match winning runs.
Which is precisely why during the End/India, on SKY, not a single non cult member mention Tendulkar - they all know he's the most overrated piece of kak in cricket only made famous by breaking on Indian radio.
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The people who saw Miandad play or played with him will never question his greatness.
People who view cricket through Cricinfo pages and have agendas to push will do just that.
To be fair to Misbah in ODIs, I do not think he was selfish, but only a limited batter. He did what he could do which was hold an end and nurdle away waiting for an offspinner to thump couple of sixes for at the end.
It was mistake of PCB to continue to play him in ODIs between 2011-15. He was doing fine in Tests and they should have let him lead there only. Pak would still have been a poor team and probably ended up with same or slightly worse results but maybe leadership might have spurred Haris Sohail or Fawad Alam to give slightly better output
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Harbhajan Singh.
The epitome of a home-track bully. Most of his wickets are in India. Outside of India he has dominated Zimbabwe, West Indies and New Zealand, when they were one of the weakest sides in world cricket.
Horrible record everywhere else including in Asia. Averages 40 in Bangladesh, 48 in Sri Lanka, ∞ in Pakistan.
Shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Indian spin greats like Chandrsekhar, Prasanna, Bedi, Kumble...
The epitome of a home-track bully. Most of his wickets are in India. Outside of India he has dominated Zimbabwe, West Indies and New Zealand, when they were one of the weakest sides in world cricket.
Horrible record everywhere else including in Asia. Averages 40 in Bangladesh, 48 in Sri Lanka, ∞ in Pakistan.
Shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Indian spin greats like Chandrsekhar, Prasanna, Bedi, Kumble...
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Angelo Mathews.
Wasn't good for atleast the last decade plus. But he still ended his career with an average of 44+
Wasn't good for atleast the last decade plus. But he still ended his career with an average of 44+
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His starts aren’t very good actually.
If anything he was a bit better than what his stats suggest compared to some other spinners.
Not an elite spinner but a very good one.
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I can't think of too many occasions where he delivered outside India
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Outside India, he was always generally waiting for the pitch to deteriorate on day five which is when he was more dangerous than some of our other so called great spinners. You have to take into account India back then was a different kind of a team which didn’t really put its spinners in the kind of dominant positions the modern Day Indian teams have been.
Not an elite spinner, but with the weight of the scoreboard behind him and an assisting pitch, Bhajju was the man to go to often.
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Gill and Jaswal won't get close to 31 centuries either.Are you seriously comparing a top order batter to a lower middle order wk and allrounder?
I know you're a troll but atleast put some effort once in a while.
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Yeah we'll see about that. At this moment that just looks more like a desperate wish than a prediction.
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Tendu. From memory, more often than not, failed in ICC KO ODI games, like the 2003 WC Final. Yes, the target was a stiff one (359), but he failed to give India a start.
Made the bulk of his ODI runs in meaningless bilaterals and Tri-series.
Made the bulk of his ODI runs in meaningless bilaterals and Tri-series.
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Teenda has failed so many times that if you ask Sachinistas to name their top 3 SRT innings then they will choke outside of desert storm and the odd WC innings.
Tendulkar is the biggest fraud in Cricket.
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Who’s numbers tell a different story? Tendulkar’s or Rizwan’s?
My man Zulfi here has been promoting Rizzu Symonds a lot but he recons Tendulkar is overrated
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comparing a top-order batsman to a wicket-keeper batsman. Do we have any better replacements right now? Don't even mention Haris 'Tulla'!@topspin @mominsaigol
Who’s numbers tell a different story? Tendulkar’s or Rizwan’s?
My man Zulfi here has been promoting Rizzu Symonds a lot but he recons Tendulkar is overrated
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Who’s numbers tell a different story? Tendulkar’s or Rizwan’s?
My man Zulfi here has been promoting Rizzu Symonds a lot but he recons Tendulkar is overrated
I'm no fan of those who hail from the land of call centres because of how toxic they've become in recent years but when it comes to cricket it's important to be impartial and not let our views of them cloud our judgement.
One can't say Tendulkar is overrated and then be going around blindly supporting Rizwan as if it's some sort of messiah, when we all know his stats are inflated after minnow bashing and bullying second/third string bowling attacks of other sides.
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This is the key point.
Indian fans should understand that we will always be impartial when it comes to cricket and it’s reality. And if they try anything stupid with Pakistan, they will be responded to accordingly.
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Imran Farhat was worse than his stats.
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Interested why Vaughan? He was a good player, might even be a case for putting him in the opposite camp as better than his stats suggest. Do you think he was that overrated?
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Sachin was a great batsman, but more often than not failed in crunch or pressure games. That was my point.@topspin @mominsaigol
Who’s numbers tell a different story? Tendulkar’s or Rizwan’s?
My man Zulfi here has been promoting Rizzu Symonds a lot but he recons Tendulkar is overrated
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Desperate? Gill is an overrated FTB and Jaswal has been found out already. @mominsaigol has already proved how overrated Jaswal is. Their ceiling is 20 centuries likely about 2/3rd the bat Babar is which sounds about right.
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Indian players usually choke in crunch games. They don't have the clutch gene in them or the fight. This is why blokes like Stokes, Travis Head, Rizwan, Rashid Khan etc are always praised and go beyond stats.
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Most overrated today in terms of exaggerated stats
Bhumrah
Klassen
Miller
Pure chokers
Bhumrah
Klassen
Miller
Pure chokers
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Am not sure with lbws though.Sc don't have bouncy tracks.In case of lbw candidates, even in sc we should see a fair bit of lbws when compared to rest. For AB, Haynes they are coming out from bouncy tracks to lower ones .so its reasonable to think that they have got more lbws outside.if u see even their technique is similar that is to handle bouncy stuff and both have ferocious cut.Miandad will be a second choice atg but not first tier.He is a street fighter and determined soul.nothing to doubt that .u can see mcgrath lbw shout to inzi / akram shout to dravid/ Imran to greg chappel.All were plumb and not given .Am expecting a reasonable amount of chances for every premier batsmen before 90s.
Bumrah in 90s and 80s would average 15 on those uncovered pitches
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NOT EVERY THREAD IS TO TALK ABOUT BUMRAH... MOVE ON
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Tendulkar is overrated, Rizwan is a joke.@topspin @mominsaigol
Who’s numbers tell a different story? Tendulkar’s or Rizwan’s?
My man Zulfi here has been promoting Rizzu Symonds a lot but he recons Tendulkar is overrated
These 2 are leagues apart. Tenda is still an ATG despite being overrated. Rizwan is a joke.
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add bumrah to the list
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Sachin barely played Pakistan in his prime, which is a pity for both countries.
In his prime Sachin played mostly 2 and 3 match series, which is why he couldn't reach 500, even though he was scoring over 1000, 1200 runs every season
Sachin barely played over a year before retiring after losing form, hej has one of the SHORTEST period of hanging on after losing form, players like Ponting hanged on much longer
Lobe to always expose the lies of jealous bitter people.
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This is the problem with such lists, there are always jealous people derailing every good discussion worth their agendas.
If you start bringing Sachin and bumrah into such, you know the discussion is gone.
Low IQ jealous people bring down the standards of the entire forum and every topic becomes them crying about players they are jealous of. There can never been decent discussion.
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While scoring 500 runs in a 3 match series is difficult it has been done before.
Steve Smith has scored more runs then Gill currently did in this 5 match series vs England.
Both cook and Smith have scored 500+ runs in less then 3 matches, so has Lara.
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Sachin in his prime has over 400 runs in a 2 match series, you think he could not have scored more runs with more matches?
How is taking some parts of a 5 match series same as playing only 2 or 3 match series? Sachin was slow starter but got into his grove as series progressed. Not all batsmen okay the same.
But in the end, it's all about opportunities, if you play way more test matches in general, you have more time to get into groove and excel
Sachin would visit a country once in 2-3 years, smith would play against same country in sale conditions every year. Guess who can adjust better?
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Is it possible that a weak bowling attack made him look inferior than he is? I would think with a good bowling unit like kohlis India or Cummins Aussies or smiths saffers or bavumas saffers he would have been able to average higher?
That’s why I am not 100% sure if Sachin was overrated.
I used to dislike him as I hate stat padders. Regardless he is below smith though for me. But just to play the devils advocate it would have been interesting to see him play with a strong bowling unit.
However not having one successful chase in a winning cause in sea even for under 200 scores is a very mediocre stat.
Even vs England don’t recall a match winning performance in a chase. I could be wrong. I don’t really like Sachin so. Yea
Everyone is forgetting this bloke
But dale steyn in odi and t20
Massively overrated.
In any pressure game he is the biggest choker i have ever seen by far
And ABd in LoI. Massive choker
In tests Steyn has done well but even then he averages 28 in seni conditions away from home overall.
That’s not great.
But dale steyn in odi and t20
Massively overrated.
In any pressure game he is the biggest choker i have ever seen by far
And ABd in LoI. Massive choker
In tests Steyn has done well but even then he averages 28 in seni conditions away from home overall.
That’s not great.
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FTB lmao..
Gill and Jaiswal both already have more away Test hundreds than Babar who has been playing since 2016. Only FTB is Bobzy za king who stat padded odi centuries against SL/WI on dead UAE wickets at 70 SR. Sit down...
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You are giving reasons for it regarding pitches and bounce..we don't know this, but the data is clear that he doesn't have the worst record and it was common amongst cricketers that they were given out LBW away from home. Also it's clear that it was Pakistan that fought for fairness in the game. So the narrative around Javed should change in this record.
On your second point second level is fine. No Pakistani will be annoyed at this. In fact many of that era have no issues praising Gavaskar as the great, no issues with Javed not making it into AtG XI either. There is only room for 5-6 batsmen in such lists and despite his greatness he doesn't belong in that company. I mainly share your opinion, although I do rate him high personally for his contributions to Pakistan cricket, Issue for me is when some completely reduce him to zero.
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In one thread when someone has different opinion you made a theory about their growth and the growth of Pakistan, now you have called people jealous and low IQ for not sharing your opinion. We are not obligated to do puja, light candles and do worship on these players to make you happy.
Bumrah will always be criticised for picking and choosing matches, all players go under the scanner who do this. We are not obliged to think of Sachin as any form of god like you do either.
There is no jealousy. Pakistanis of an older era will happily select Gavaskar as a tier 1 ATG despite him now becoming a BCCI stooge, and from the modern era we rate Kohli as an LOI ATG despite him pummeling us in every match.
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You guys need to stop using the jealousy excuse. It is getting extremely old.
Learn to stick to the topic on hand. Human beings do not have an obligation to agree with someone 24/7.
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I don't think any one's opinion who wants to troll alone matters much.If u see sanjay manjrekar's(a pathetic person tbh) autobiography, its all about imran khan .how imran gave his support, suggestions to his batting approach.Imran with lots of patience , responsibility, professionalism have even followed India's tour of nz in 90.He chastised sanjay for his failures after changing his batting approach which was so good in earlier pak tour.even if a troller wants to alter a narrative to zero percent credibility , it won't occur ever .u have treat as temporary comic relief. Ambrose even said until javed reaches his 50 nobody notices his scorecard till then.he was very good as rotation.
Technics 1210
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And Dravid.
That's as far as the list goes IMO.
You need to understand, these cult members are not there to discuss Cricket, no, they use Cricket as a vessel to push their anti Islamic/Pakistan agenda and as auch will be smoked to the pavillion.
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For a fun exercise, I asked ChatGPT. Very interesting list.
Shoaib Akhtar
Ajinkya Rahane
Andrew Flintoff
Shahid Afridi
Chris Gayle
KL Rahul
Mayank Pandey (not sure who he is? Manish Pandey / Mayank Agarwal?)
Babar Azam
Steve Harmison
Brian Lara
Graham Pollock
I’d disagree with Akhtar and Flintoff. Not too opposed to the other names though. Rahane was supposed to be the next Dravid because he is “technically correct”. Probably one of our worst batsmen to have played so many games. On the other hand it’s a shame that Afridi is more popular and considered a legend over several genuinely far better Pakistani players. Including Akhtar. Gayle is a T20 legend but overhypes himself.
Shoaib Akhtar
Ajinkya Rahane
Andrew Flintoff
Shahid Afridi
Chris Gayle
KL Rahul
Mayank Pandey (not sure who he is? Manish Pandey / Mayank Agarwal?)
Babar Azam
Steve Harmison
Brian Lara
Graham Pollock
I’d disagree with Akhtar and Flintoff. Not too opposed to the other names though. Rahane was supposed to be the next Dravid because he is “technically correct”. Probably one of our worst batsmen to have played so many games. On the other hand it’s a shame that Afridi is more popular and considered a legend over several genuinely far better Pakistani players. Including Akhtar. Gayle is a T20 legend but overhypes himself.
BreadPakoda
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Not necessarily overhyped but played far more and too long for his talent - Dinesh Karthik.
The guy averaged 25 in tests and 30 in ODIs with a 73 SR. Yet played 26 tests and almost a 100 ODIs.
Also played one of the worst ODI innings in the 2019 SF. How did he even get into the side as a pure batsman?
The guy averaged 25 in tests and 30 in ODIs with a 73 SR. Yet played 26 tests and almost a 100 ODIs.
Also played one of the worst ODI innings in the 2019 SF. How did he even get into the side as a pure batsman?
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People here fixate too much on ODI stats. Sorry but being a good ODI cricketer does not matter as much as being a good test cricketer. It's good if you can succeed in both, but legacies are built in test cricket.
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Weird list! I'm not sure id agree with any of it..many of those players should have achieved more and had big impact performance that are unmeasurable in stats.
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Yeah I'd tend to agree, especially for the prior era.
@kron rightly mentioned Steyns ODI career. Its poor, but his test cricket career is weighted so highly that his ODI stats just become a footnote.
This will probably change a lot going forward as ODI stats nobody really cares about but T20 stats are becoming more important.
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Steve Smith has good ODI stats but there are plenty of players with far superior numbers. That said, Smith is a multiple-time World Champion who played crucial knocks in those World Cup campaigns. So doesit really matter that he has an average of 43 in the end?
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You know the cult are clinging to hope when they have to resort to chat GPT.
Once again, the cult, seeking approval from others.
Once again, the cult, seeking approval from others.
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Think he wasn't really better than the likes of Atherton or Nasser. Always thought he went missing when the pressure was on especially outside England. Don't know how he ended up with a 40+ batting average. Even in the ashes 05, he was England's worst batter in the top 6 if my memory serves right. He had a beautiful cover drive and was a very good captain and tactician. Apart from that, he was given ODI captaincy without having anything to show for. Was a bit too injury prone for a batter. Was always getting injured somehow. Missed the Indian tour 06, missed half pakistan tour 05 and then full series in 2006. Managed to get back in england's 07 wc squad when Joyce and Loye had just led them to a CB series win.
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Yasir hameed, ashraful, imran nazir
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How is Pakistan a bad team? Especially in UAE where Pakistan was undefeated and was dominating with their spinners
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Ability wise, all were better than your King and Queen.
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Well you do like garbage players, so no surprise you are a fan of them.
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Yeah and you only rate losers.
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Captain Asif Ali...
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Joginder sharma has won more icc trophies than Akhtar
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