Players you find hard to rate about regardless of their good performance

[Slog]

There are some players I find very hard to rate or get excited regardless of how well they perform for some reason.

Bumrah is one guy. With that wierd action and build it is hard to get excited about him or rate his performances that highly.

Over the years Pakistan has produced quite a few of these. Guys like Sohaib Maqsood, Bilawal Bhatti may have had initial success but I always though that they won't amount to much in long term

It's kinda unfair but for some reason regardless of good performances and notching up good stats you get the sense that most of their success is down to cheap runs and wickets and when the going gets tough and the time to be counted presents itself they are likely to go missing.

Any others come in your mind?

 

[ChachaCricket]

Hafeez, Shehzad. Never rated them, never will.

 

[street cricketer]

Rayudu.

 

[The_KING]

Shehzad, Anwar Ali

 

[Madplayer]

Dhawan.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Shehzad. Rarely gonna score when it really matters against a good attack.

 

[giri26]

Dhawan.

Dhawan is a strange case. He has hundreds in Australia, England, NZ but still when we think about him we are not confident.

 

[Madplayer]

Dhawan is a strange case. He has hundreds in Australia, England, NZ but still when we think about him we are not confident.

He is mentally strong. That saves him. Doesn't inspire any confidence while batting though. Especially in tests abroad. Even in asia cup he was a sitting duck and only played well during the final and that too after having some luck initially in the innings.

 

[Balthazar]

Entire Pakistan batting unit. I've never seen such talentless bunch as a Cricketing fan.

 

[Sandeep]

Rayudu, Rahane (in ODIs), Manoj Tiwary, all Indian bowlers except Ashwin.

 

[JaDed]

Rohit Sharma!

 

[LastManstanding]

Mohammad Amir

 

[abc_to_xyz]

Salman Butt
Shoaib Malik, you'll always have a fear of him being a sitting duck against quality pace/swing
Wahab Riaz, one or two sizzling overs are not going to make him great

 

[Ab Fan]

Faf du plessis. He already has two gem( ATG level) knocks in tests but apart from that he is simply a dud. Hardly any consistency whatsoever in the longer format.Also David Warner who has done brilliantly irrespective of his weaknesses in tests.

 

[Suleiman]

Sarfraz Ahmed.

 

[The_KING]

Wahab Riaz
Umar Akmal

 

[Sandeep]

Rohit Sharma must be high on the hit list after he committed blasphemy today

 

[Haroon786]

Good to see Bhatti in the OP - no idea why a club cricketer is allowed to play domestic cricket let alone international cricket.

Chandimal and Fawad Alam are others that spring up straight away.

 

[Suleiman]

Rohit Sharma must be high on the hit list after he committed blasphemy today

Haha this is true. Funny Indians are not as aggressive vs Sohail Khan after he said kohli ho ga apne Ghar ka Kohli.

 

[Messiah]

Wahab riaz
Umar akmal
ajank rahane
pandya
mustafizur rahman
martin guptill
shakib al hasan
aaron finch
dinesh chandimal
half of windies team
and more

 

[street cricketer]

Rohit Sharma must be high on the hit list after he committed blasphemy today

It's unfair to name Sharma, Dhawan, Rahane or Bumrah in this list. Because this is a list of players who you feel that they're technically deficient, only padding stats on weaker teams, and will be found out against the stronger ones. All those I've mentioned have atleast performed for a few games against quality opposition overseas. Their main problem is consistency.

Whereas Rayudu is one player who never looker like an Indian batsman from the moment I saw him bat. There was no conviction in his stroke play, no grace, always looked like he was hacking the ball away and looked an ugly batsman even if he was scoring tons. And he was promptly found out on a bouncing wicket against Australia in the triseries before the world cup. Looked totally out of depth and was exposed completely.

 

[#GreenRoars]

One and only Kohli

Bumrah and Ahmed Shehzad.

 

[Slog]

Entire Pakistan batting unit. I've never seen such talentless bunch as a Cricketing fan.

They don't qualify

They would have qualified if they had awesome stats

But they don't. Their stats make it clear how mediocre they are

 

[WC-Passion]

Malik,Sarfraz and Sharjeel.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Fawad Alam (always)

Misbah ul Haq when he is in his complete Thakka mode and blinks his eyes at 160 km/hr. That's his way of concentrating more. But an honest servant of green land.

In my primary school days Wajahatullah Wasti and Trapped Mohammad Wasim.


Sometimes Sarfraz Ahmed aswell. When he walks down the tract to 140+ kph bowlers or when he tried to play everything towards legside irrespective of whether it's 1 to 2 feet outside off. Irritation hoti hai dekh k.

But Sarfraz is a good contributor and needed by team.

 

[Tusker]

For [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

If would be all players playing today

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan - Sarfraz, Junaid, Fawad, Younis, Ajmal, Wahab

India - Jadeja

Australia - Warner, Hazlewood

South Africa - Amla, de Villiers, Steyn, Philander, Morkel, du Plessis, Miller, Duminy, Tahir........ in short, I love Rabada and de Kock. Find everyone else overrated.

England - Moeen Ali

New Zealand - Southee

Sri Lanka - Chandimal

West Indies - everyone except Darren Bravo

Bangladesh - N/A

Zimbabwe - N/A

 

[Barragan]

shafiq.

misbah in LOI.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan - Sarfraz, Junaid, Fawad, Younis, Ajmal, Wahab

India - Jadeja

Australia - Warner, Hazlewood

South Africa - Amla, de Villiers, Steyn, Philander, Morkel, du Plessis, Miller, Duminy, Tahir........ in short, I love Rabada and de Kock. Find everyone else overrated.

England - Moeen Ali

New Zealand - Southee

Sri Lanka - Chandimal

West Indies - everyone except Darren Bravo

Bangladesh - N/A

Zimbabwe - N/A

I meant Malinga of course.

 

[hussain.r97]

From Pakistan, Shehzad, Junaid, Imad, Anwar, Fawad, Sarfraz.

 

[Noora420]

Habibul bashar

 

[The intelligent Supporter]

Sharjeel

100 certified leg side hack

 

[KamranDestiny]

Pak : Shehzad. Kamran Akmal (post 2009). Wahab Riaz. Anwar Ali. Hafeez (the batsman).

India : guys like Dinda, P Kumar, Bhalaji, DK, Negi, ... no one from the current lot basically.

 

[Deewana]

Shakib ul Hasan
Ashish Nehra
Sohail Tanvir (Though he doesn't perform much)

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[Markhor]

Alastair Cook- very stodgy way of playing and feel he's been done over a few times against quality pace attacks.

Ian Bell though an elegant player scored a lot of soft runs. Paul Collingwood was another - superb fielder but didn't rate him wih bat or ball, yet ends up with an MBE.

Pakistani players I'd include Sharjeel and Malik at the top of the list.

 

[kingusama92]

Pakistan - Sarfraz, Junaid, Fawad, Younis, Ajmal, Wahab

India - Jadeja

Australia - Warner, Hazlewood

South Africa - Amla, de Villiers, Steyn, Philander, Morkel, du Plessis, Miller, Duminy, Tahir........ in short, I love Rabada and de Kock. Find everyone else overrated.

What's wrong with Dale Steyn? I know its a personal opinion, just curious.

He's performed everywhere except England (averages 31).

 

[carrom_ball]

Haha this is true. Funny Indians are not as aggressive vs Sohail Khan after he said kohli ho ga apne Ghar ka Kohli.

Because sohail khan is a nobody, why give him importance?

 

[Belawal2014]

Because sohail khan is a nobody, why give him importance?

I give him importance.

 

[Convict]

Chris Lynn

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

Fawad has to be the only answer.

 

[rhony]

Entire pakistani batting line up, Nehra, Pandya, Tamim, Sowmya, Mishfiqur, Sri Lankan team except for Malinga and Matthews. That's just from Asia

 

[carrom_ball]

Steve smith

 

[SunTzu]

Pak : Shehzad. Kamran Akmal (post 2009). Wahab Riaz. Anwar Ali. Hafeez (the batsman).

India : guys like Dinda, P Kumar, Bhalaji, DK, Negi, ... no one from the current lot basically.

Other than Negi none of them are considered currrent lot
And im am very sure Dinda never had a good performance

 

[Aman]

NZ - Nicolls, Craig, Southee, Munro and Latham (LOI's)
Aus - Smith, Faulkner, Maxwell and other BBL legends
SA - Miller and Duminy
Eng - Bell
India- Ishant Sharma
Bangladesh - Shakib
Pakistan - Shehzad, Afridi, Sarfraz, Riaz, Junaid and Umar Akmal

 

[Suleiman]

Pak : Shehzad. Kamran Akmal (post 2009). Wahab Riaz. Anwar Ali. Hafeez (the batsman).

India : guys like Dinda, P Kumar, Bhalaji, DK, Negi, ... no one from the current lot basically.

Dinda? P Kumar? Bro these guys have been extinct for as long as the dinosaurs and mammoths by now.

Another guy I forgot to mention is Younis. Pak fans call him a great, which he might be for them, but even with his hundred tally I still rate him below Yousuf, Inzi, Miandad, even Anwar (potential wise). Since 2013 this guy gets some soft hundreds and went missing in the other tests of the series. He's been saved by Pakistan playing their past few test series in UAE as it has beefed up his average to more than it should ever be, and the damage done to his average overseas in a few months won't rectify it too much. Anderson thoroughly exposed him with his reverse swing in UAE.

Another one is Moeen Ali. He takes wickets but I will never take him seriously as a bowler. If I ever faced him in real life, I'd back myself to get in a 2-3 sixes at least vs him.

Irfan as well for me. I think literally the only thing he has going for him is height. He doesn't have any other tools to be effective. If he was few inches shorter at 6'2 or even 6'4 he would never had played for so long since he doesn't have any other tools other than awkward height.

 

[street cricketer]

Dinda? P Kumar? Bro these guys have been extinct for as long as the dinosaurs and mammoths by now.

Another guy I forgot to mention is Younis. Pak fans call him a great, which he might be for them, but even with his hundred tally I still rate him below Yousuf, Inzi, Miandad, even Anwar (potential wise). Since 2013 this guy gets some soft hundreds and went missing in the other tests of the series. He's been saved by Pakistan playing their past few test series in UAE as it has beefed up his average to more than it should ever be, and the damage done to his average overseas in a few months won't rectify it too much. Anderson thoroughly exposed him with his reverse swing in UAE.

Another one is Moeen Ali. He takes wickets but I will never take him seriously as a bowler. If I ever faced him in real life, I'd back myself to get in a 2-3 sixes at least vs him.

Irfan as well for me. I think literally the only thing he has going for him is height. He doesn't have any other tools to be effective. If he was few inches shorter at 6'2 or even 6'4 he would never had played for so long since he doesn't have any other tools other than awkward height.

Irfan actually bowls very well. He may be sometimes on the shorter side, but more often than not, finds the good length area. His problems are his stamina and his shoddy fielding, which can become a liability for any top team. If you look at his bowling alone, he's a very good bowler.

 

[Suleiman]

Irfan actually bowls very well. He may be sometimes on the shorter side, but more often than not, finds the good length area. His problems are his stamina and his shoddy fielding, which can become a liability for any top team. If you look at his bowling alone, he's a very good bowler.

He was good initially in the aane do series, and peaked at that South African series where Pakistan nearly pulled the rug from beneath and could've walked away with a series win 3-2 if few things went their way.

Him and Junaid were looking like a good opening pair. But PCB as usual put extra pressure on Irfan with tests, a 30+ bowler with problems already being put into that situation....

And Junaid detriorated as a bowler 2014 onwards.

After that injury Irfan never got his pace back, save for Asia cup where even a mohalla pacer would be hitting 140s.

As you may have seen in NZ he was bowling late 120s to mid 130s max, and every 2 balls were followed up by short and wide garbage which NZ thrashed, esp Guptill.

Till he develops a good fuller ball or just a yorker to mix up with his awkward short balls, he's not gonna change, and he's too old to learn new tricks by now.

 

[timeflies]

Despite how incredibly he's been playing and his Bradman-esque average atm, I just find it really hard to rate Adam Voges. No idea why

 

[Anfield]

NZ Guptil, Bracewell, Wagner
Ind Jadeja, B Kumar, Ishant Sharma, (most of the bowlers in short)
SAF, Beharudin, Duminy.
Pak. Plenty..

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Apart from KP and Swann - the whole English team from 2010-13. Just find them massively overrated.

Australia - Khwaja.
India - Dhawan
Pakistan - Wahab/Asif
South Africa - Philander/Duminy/Alviro
SL - Chameera
NZ- entire Bowling attack
WI - the entire team

 

[street cricketer]

Apart from KP and Swann - the whole English team from 2010-13. Just find them massively overrated.

Australia - Khwaja.
India - Dhawan
Pakistan - Wahab/Asif
South Africa - Philander/Duminy/Alviro
SL - Chameera
NZ- entire Bowling attack
WI - the entire team

Even the west indian players don't rate their team mate:yshah1

 

[Abhilash93]

Ind - Rayudu, Binny, Axar

Pak - Wahab, Shehzad

Eng - Ballance, Bell, Moeen

SA - Duminy

Aus - Joe Burns, Lyon

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Faf du plessis. He already has two gem( ATG level) knocks in tests but apart from that he is simply a dud. Hardly any consistency whatsoever in the longer format.Also David Warner who has done brilliantly irrespective of his weaknesses in tests.

I have to agree with Warner, he's a complete mystery to me. One day he looks like ATG material, the next he looks like a complete hack that gets lucky a lot.

 

[Sami92]

Kamran Akmal (his keeping).

Anwar Ali

 

[dhump]

Wahab Riaz
Ahamad Shahzad
Mohammad Hafeez
Azhar Ali
Anwar Ali
Kamran Akmal
Shahid Afridi
Rahat Ali
Mohammad Irfan

To name a few.

 

[Mamoon]

What's wrong with Dale Steyn? I know its a personal opinion, just curious.

He's performed everywhere except England (averages 31).

It's all relative.

Steyn is a great bowler, but I find it difficult to rank him alongside some of the greatest bowlers in the game like Wasim, Marshall, Hadlee, Imran, Lillee, McGrath, Waqar etc. For me he is at Donald's level which is a bit below the aforementioned category.

For me, there is something missing from his bowling, a bit of magic. Perhaps it's his mediocre record in ODIs.

 

[Ankit007]

We have a lot in Indian team right now:

Pandya, nehra, Dhawan..

In Pakistan it is Shahzad, Sharjeel, Riaz, Afridi and many more.

All WI XI including Gayle. Never seen him perform well for his team in big matches.

 

[Shayan]

Shoaib Malik was the first name that came to mind. Whenever he scores runs I feel it's the exception rather than the rule. His technique just doesn't inspire confidence.

 

[Adil_94]

Jacques Kallis he is ATG for sure but he was so dull and boring. when people rate him as a better cricketer than IK or Botham I don't know. Kallis never had that magic in his game. Even an inferior cricketer like Flintoff had that where he could a turn a game on its head

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[Mamoon]

Pakistan - Sarfraz, Junaid, Fawad, Younis, Ajmal, Wahab, Imad, Irfan

India - Jadeja

Australia - Warner, Hazlewood

South Africa - Amla, de Villiers, Steyn, Philander, Morkel, du Plessis, Miller, Duminy, Tahir........ in short, I love Rabada and de Kock. Find everyone else overrated.

England - Moeen Ali

New Zealand - Southee

Sri Lanka - Malinga

West Indies - everyone except Darren Bravo

Bangladesh - N/A

Zimbabwe - N/A

Fixed.

 

[MRSN]

Sarfraz Ahmed.

Rahane

 

[MRSN]

Pakistan - Sarfraz, Junaid, Fawad, Younis, Ajmal, Wahab

India - Jadeja

Australia - Warner, Hazlewood

South Africa - Amla, de Villiers, Steyn, Philander, Morkel, du Plessis, Miller, Duminy, Tahir........ in short, I love Rabada and de Kock. Find everyone else overrated.

England - Moeen Ali

New Zealand - Southee

Sri Lanka - Chandimal

West Indies - everyone except Darren Bravo

Bangladesh - N/A

Zimbabwe - N/A

You rate Anwar?

 

[gazza619]

Lol. Good thread. You can put all the Pakistan WC squad in that list (excluding Amir of course [emoji6])


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[Bilal7]

Rohit Sharma. A beast on roads against mediocre bowlers but change that equation even a little and he'll look very mediocre. An absolute disgrace that someone like him has the highest individual ODI score after respected batsmen like Anwar, Sachin and even Sehwag had it.

 

[Mamoon]

You rate Anwar?

He doesn't have good performances at all.

 

[muzzy]

Hardest from the last 15 years I've been watching the game is Chanderpaul.

He's not the kind off batsman who pulls crowds and keeps you on the edge of your seat when you're watching the TV even when he's scoring heavily.

Aesthetics do come into our judgement whether it be consciously or sub-consciously...

 

[Moh@n]

Haha this is true. Funny Indians are not as aggressive vs Sohail Khan after he said kohli ho ga apne Ghar ka Kohli.

Kohli did give him an earful though when Sohail came out to bat

 

[IslamabadUnited]

Afridi

 

[KamranDestiny]

[/B]

Other than Negi none of them are considered currrent lot
And im am very sure Dinda never had a good performance

Dinda? P Kumar? Bro these guys have been extinct for as long as the dinosaurs and mammoths by now.

I meant to say there is no one from the current lot that i find hard to rate (as all of them are amazing cricketers). Thats why i only mentioned guys from the past (except Negi off course, even though i don't see him making to the playing XI often).

 

[Hawkeye]

Long list of pathetic players:

Malik (leader of mediocrity)

Shehzad
Anwar Ali
Bhatti
Wahab
Afridi
M. Nawaz
Imad Wasim
Junaid
Sohail Tanvir
Umar Gul
Fawad Alam
Asad Shafiq (Tests/ODIs)
Saad Nasim
Rizwan

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Dhawan, Jadeja, Ishant from our team

 

[AamirWarraich]

Pakistan - Sarfraz, Junaid, Fawad, Younis, Ajmal, Wahab

India - Jadeja

Australia - Warner, Hazlewood



South Africa - Amla, de Villiers, Steyn, Philander, Morkel, du Plessis, Miller, Duminy, Tahir........ in short, I love Rabada and de Kock. Find everyone else overrated.

England - Moeen Ali

New Zealand - Southee

Sri Lanka - Chandimal

West Indies - everyone except Darren Bravo

Bangladesh - N/A

Zimbabwe - N/A

I think you might be being a little bit harsh on Younis and especially Warner though I understand.
I personally can't rate Anderson and Broad. I understand why you wouldn't rate De Villiers and the rest, but how do you think Steyn is overrated? I agree he isn't "the greatest of all time" but I would still rate him highly.

 

[AamirWarraich]

It's all relative.

Steyn is a great bowler, but I find it difficult to rank him alongside some of the greatest bowlers in the game like Wasim, Marshall, Hadlee, Imran, Lillee, McGrath, Waqar etc. For me he is at Donald's level which is a bit below the aforementioned category.

For me, there is something missing from his bowling, a bit of magic. Perhaps it's his mediocre record in ODIs.

I agree but I think by the time Steyn retires, he will have to go down as better than Donald, but just short of the top 10 all time fast bowlers.

In no particular order mine would be
Marshall
Imran
Wasim
McGrath
Ambrose
Waqar
Hadlee
Lillee
Garner
Holding

 

[Mamoon]

I think you might be being a little bit harsh on Younis and especially Warner though I understand.
I personally can't rate Anderson and Broad. I understand why you wouldn't rate De Villiers and the rest, but how do you think Steyn is overrated? I agree he isn't "the greatest of all time" but I would still rate him highly.

I think Younis has really filled his boots on the lifeless UAE tracks in the last 5-6 years. In some ways, he was lucky to dodge the tour of England and Australia in 2010 because it helped him prolong his career.

He is no longer the batsman he was 10-12 years ago, his struggles against pace is apparent. In 2013 in South Africa, he failed in Johannesburg and Centurion and needed a slow Cape Town wicket to score runs.

He has been quite lucky that he hasn't toured Australia, England and NZ in a long time and has played most of his cricket in the UAE, SL etc.

Warner for me is the definition of a flat track bully. He has failed in England, NZ, India, WI and has one good knock in the UAE.

When there is pace and bounce in the wicket, such as Australia and SA, he is lethal. However, when there is lateral movement and spin, he lacks the temperament and skill to adapt and evolve.

That is why I rate Cook as comfortably the best Test opener of the last 5-6 years because although he struggles against genuine quicks, he has shown adaptability and has scored runs everywhere. He is the most prolific overseas run scorer in Asian conditions.

 

[Mamoon]

I agree but I think by the time Steyn retires, he will have to go down as better than Donald, but just short of the top 10 all time fast bowlers.

In no particular order mine would be
Marshall
Imran
Wasim
McGrath
Ambrose
Waqar
Hadlee
Lillee
Garner
Holding

Steyn had a great opportunity in the last World Cup to do something special for SA and get ranked alongside these bowlers, but as usual, he flattered to deceive.

When the going got tough, he got owned by McCullum and Elliot in the semifinal.

 

[carrom_ball]

I agree but I think by the time Steyn retires, he will have to go down as better than Donald, but just short of the top 10 all time fast bowlers.

In no particular order mine would be
Marshall
Imran
Wasim
McGrath
Ambrose
Waqar
Hadlee
Lillee
Garner
Holding

Steyn is easily a top 3 bowler in test cricket along with marshall and mcgrath, it is funny to see people underrate steyn so much, if you had a bowler like steyn today you would have rated him above marshall

 

[AamirWarraich]

Steyn is easily a top 3 bowler in test cricket along with marshall and mcgrath, it is funny to see people underrate steyn so much, if you had a bowler like steyn today you would have rated him above marshall

Steyn is very impressive, but the quality of batsmen in this era has to be taken into account, despite all the advantages they have. You could put Steyn in the top 10, but he's definitely not "easily a top 3 of all time" bowler.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Kumar Sangakkara.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

Every Indian bowler and Misbah Ul Haq.

 

[carrom_ball]

Steyn is very impressive, but the quality of batsmen in this era has to be taken into account, despite all the advantages they have. You could put Steyn in the top 10, but he's definitely not "easily a top 3 of all time" bowler.

lol the batsmen of this aren't rated because of flat pitches, the bowlers should not be rated because the quality of batsmen is down, so in short you are trying to imply that overall cricket has regressed and even cricketer today is inferior to past cricketers. All these are poor excuses, if the quality of batsmen is so down then how come styen is so far ahead of his peers? No bowler is close to him today, it is very disingenuous to say that steyn won't even make the top 10, steyn is easily a top 3 bowler in test and potential GOAT as a test bowler, he has performed everywhere in every condition, you can't find faults in him so you try to find fault in batsmen. If the greats of previous eras were playing today, they won't be averaging as low as steyn barring 2-3 bowlers like marshell mcgrath