Players you find hard to rate about regardless of their good performance

[AamirWarraich]

I think Younis has really filled his boots on the lifeless UAE tracks in the last 5-6 years. In some ways, he was lucky to dodge the tour of England and Australia in 2010 because it helped him prolong his career.

He is no longer the batsman he was 10-12 years ago, his struggles against pace is apparent. In 2013 in South Africa, he failed in Johannesburg and Centurion and needed a slow Cape Town wicket to score runs.

He has been quite lucky that he hasn't toured Australia, England and NZ in a long time and has played most of his cricket in the UAE, SL etc.

Warner for me is the definition of a flat track bully. He has failed in England, NZ, India, WI and has one good knock in the UAE.

When there is pace and bounce in the wicket, such as Australia and SA, he is lethal. However, when there is lateral movement and spin, he lacks the temperament and skill to adapt and evolve.

That is why I rate Cook as comfortably the best Test opener of the last 5-6 years because although he struggles against genuine quicks, he has shown adaptability and has scored runs everywhere. He is the most prolific overseas run scorer in Asian conditions.

Younis definitely has feasted on spinners in the UAE. But let's say he averages 45+ in both the series in England and Australia, and has a couple of match winning hundreds (let's imagine) ,then would you put Younis in the Pakistan All Time XI? (In place of Zaheer/Salim Malik)

 

[Indian_Supporter]

I may be in a minority but never rated Sangakkara for all his records.

 

[Slog]

I may be in a minority but never rated Sangakkara for all his records.

That rating probably has more to do with Indian insecurity regarding Sachin

 

[ads101]

Bell. Even though he's not a remarkable player, I still think his average of 43 flatters him. Seems to always score runs when the pressure is off, and often when the rest of the team are doing well/scoring centuries anyway. A bit of pressure and he tanks. Such a shame because think he's a massive talent, with a bit of mental fortitude feel like he could average 50 easy. For example is technique and movement against spin is sound, but put him against any good spinner and he fails, just can't handle their mind game. And the fact that he always seems to be down the order as the younger/newer guys come in and perform better e.g. Trott, Root, Ballance etc. He's a senior player and yet the newer guys are showing more fortitude at dealing with international pressure. Even rate guys like Hafeez over him.

Riaz doesn't have a fantastic record, but don't rate him really highly like some do. Just too inconsistent and lack of control. I'd rather have someone consistent, keeping it tight than someone who's more hot and cold in LOI.

 

[Mamoon]

Younis definitely has feasted on spinners in the UAE. But let's say he averages 45+ in both the series in England and Australia, and has a couple of match winning hundreds (let's imagine) ,then would you put Younis in the Pakistan All Time XI? (In place of Zaheer/Salim Malik)

Definitely, but I don't think he has the game for it anymore.

 

[AamirWarraich]

Definitely, but I don't think he has the game for it anymore.

Just curious, what would your All time XI be for Pakistan, I think Cricinfo got it spot on.

Saeed Anwar
Hanif
Miandad
Zaheer
Inzamam
Imran Khan
Rashid Latif
Wasim
Waqar
Abdul Qadir
Fazal Mahmood

Rashid Latif was really unlucky not to have played more. I think likes of Asif Iqbal, Mushtaq Mohammad and Majid Khan are unlucky to miss out. Salim Malik's match fixing ruined his reputation. Shoaib Akhtar should've taken 250-300 Test wickets, Mohammad Asif should've had at least that amount too, but the fact that both ended up underperforming while Fazal played a vital role in all our early successes means he deserves the spot.

 

[Mamoon]

Just curious, what would your All time XI be for Pakistan, I think Cricinfo got it spot on.

Saeed Anwar
Hanif
Miandad
Zaheer
Inzamam
Imran Khan
Rashid Latif
Wasim
Waqar
Abdul Qadir
Fazal Mahmood

Rashid Latif was really unlucky not to have played more. I think likes of Asif Iqbal, Mushtaq Mohammad and Majid Khan are unlucky to miss out. Salim Malik's match fixing ruined his reputation. Shoaib Akhtar should've taken 250-300 Test wickets, Mohammad Asif should've had at least that amount too, but the fact that both ended up underperforming while Fazal played a vital role in all our early successes means he deserves the spot.

I agree with this team, it is perfect.

Wasim Bari vs Latif is a tough call, and those who watched Bari play will be in a better position to comment on it, but I haven't see a better pure wicket-keeper than Latif in my lifetime.

The only other wicket-keeper who has looked flawless behind the stumps like Latif is Prasanna Jayawardene during his peak years.

Saleem Malik was a genius. One of the most crafty and inventive batsman produced by Pakistan. A shame that his legacy has been ruined.

As far as pure batsmanship is concerned, Miandad, Inzi, Saeed, MoYo, Hanif, Zaheer, Maik, Asif Iqbal (best runner in Pakistan history along with Miandad), Mushtaq and Majid all rank ahead of Younis in my opinion, but the latter has great willpower and guts. He really has punched above his weight in his career.

 

[Haroon786]

It's all relative.

Steyn is a great bowler, but I find it difficult to rank him alongside some of the greatest bowlers in the game like Wasim, Marshall, Hadlee, Imran, Lillee, McGrath, Waqar etc. For me he is at Donald's level which is a bit below the aforementioned category.

For me, there is something missing from his bowling, a bit of magic. Perhaps it's his mediocre record in ODIs.

Donald is very much in the same bracket as the former cluster of ATGs.

 

[Haroon786]

Just curious, what would your All time XI be for Pakistan, I think Cricinfo got it spot on.

Saeed Anwar
Hanif
Miandad
Zaheer
Inzamam
Imran Khan
Rashid Latif
Wasim
Waqar
Abdul Qadir
Fazal Mahmood

Rashid Latif was really unlucky not to have played more. I think likes of Asif Iqbal, Mushtaq Mohammad and Majid Khan are unlucky to miss out. Salim Malik's match fixing ruined his reputation. Shoaib Akhtar should've taken 250-300 Test wickets, Mohammad Asif should've had at least that amount too, but the fact that both ended up underperforming while Fazal played a vital role in all our early successes means he deserves the spot.

That tail from Latin onwards would get blown away by a good quick. Depending on where Pakistan would be playing, if it's not a spinning wicket then I would swap Abdul Qadir for Asia Iqbal or Mushtaq Muhammad (IIRC) both spinning all rounders and both could man the fort if the batting collapsed.

 

[Majid Khan]

Hafeez - he could go and score a triple hundred against Zimbabwe at Bullawayo, but I'm still sceptical about his ability to bat against quality bowling (pace or spin) or in different types of conditions, or in pressure situations.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Brendon McCullum.

 

[AamirWarraich]

I agree with this team, it is perfect.

Wasim Bari vs Latif is a tough call, and those who watched Bari play will be in a better position to comment on it, but I haven't see a better pure wicket-keeper than Latif in my lifetime.

The only other wicket-keeper who has looked flawless behind the stumps like Latif is Prasanna Jayawardene during his peak years.

Saleem Malik was a genius. One of the most crafty and inventive batsman produced by Pakistan. A shame that his legacy has been ruined.

As far as pure batsmanship is concerned, Miandad, Inzi, Saeed, MoYo, Hanif, Zaheer, Maik, Asif Iqbal (best runner in Pakistan history along with Miandad), Mushtaq and Majid all rank ahead of Younis in my opinion, but the latter has great willpower and guts. He really has punched above his weight in his career.

Yeah Younis really has. He's a very limited player but the opposite of MoYo, his 4th innings record is excellent. If only MoYo focused more on his game, didn't get made captain.. He should've played for 4-5 more years.

 

[sjahmed23]

Malik, Afridi, Irfan, Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad.

 

[Slog]

There are some players I find very hard to rate or get excited regardless of how well they perform for some reason.

Bumrah is one guy. With that wierd action and build it is hard to get excited about him or rate his performances that highly.

Over the years Pakistan has produced quite a few of these. Guys like Sohaib Maqsood, Bilawal Bhatti may have had initial success but I always though that they won't amount to much in long term

It's kinda unfair but for some reason regardless of good performances and notching up good stats you get the sense that most of their success is down to cheap runs and wickets and when the going gets tough and the time to be counted presents itself they are likely to go missing.

Any others come in your mind?

Bumrah proved me right today

Have to trust your gut feeling in these things

 

[Hasan123]

Moen Ali Jason Roy Kieron pollard lasith malinga Glenn maxwell dhwan Chris Jordan

 

[Adil_94]

Chris Jordan and Moeen Ali the bowlers.

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[Mamoon]

Jadeja.

 

[KamranDestiny]

Hardik Pandya

 

[Kashmirilion]

Every Pak LOI batsman. jadeja,


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[Last Monetarist]

Aaron Finch, Alex Hales, Shikhar Dhawan, Martin Guptill, Sahibzada Mohammad Shahid Khan, Umar Akmal, JP Duminy et al, have all fallen in that category from time to time in the recent past.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Called it before, Pandya and Bumrah.

 

[Slog]

Seems like Imran Khan II is in the list for many PPers

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Azhar Mehmood - never really rated him
Anil Kumble - thought he was overrated
Ian Harvery
Tom Moody - what was his role in the 1999 team? Useless

 

[Tusker]

Rohit Sharma must be high on the hit list after he committed blasphemy today

Tendulkar should win this hands down on PP ... baring some exceptions its quite funny to watch posters try to downplay his achievements for various reasons ...

 

[The_Odd_One]

Never liked Shafiq. Even when he scored runs, he looked so timid.

 

[Hasan123]

David Warner (tests)
Martin guptill
Moen Ali (as a bowler)
Chris Jordan
Farhaan Beherdieen

 

[Azzurri]

Azhar Ali
Asad Shafiq
Yasir Shah
A Rahane
U Jadav
U Khawaja
JP Duminy
FAF
Boult
A Hales
S Broad
M Vijay