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Again, that is still not secularWe also don't let people make cartoons on the prophet (pbuh) or burn the holy Quran.
So yes we are secular we punish insult to any religion.
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Again, that is still not secularWe also don't let people make cartoons on the prophet (pbuh) or burn the holy Quran.
So yes we are secular we punish insult to any religion.
European meaning of secularism: Keep state separate from church.Again, that is still not secular
Ganesh was not an example of plastic surgery, but it's a documented fact that a version of plastic surgery was mentioned by Susrut.Yes it is quite strange that Indian posters are so critical of Bangladesh alleged maulana influence while at the same time going gaga over a leader who thinks Ganesh was an example of Bharat leading the world in plastic surgery.
A handful of posters here, most of them living abroad, speaks for the whole of Pakistan? If the whole of Pakistan didn't care for blasphemy laws, people would not have been lynched and burnt alive on the streets of Pakistan on account of blasphemy.
True. And I suppose drunken yobs rioting in the streets are part of British culture. We all have our crosses/crescents/trishuls to bear. I wish you the best in tolerating yours.Lynching and burning are part of the subcontinent culture, if you doubt it, then you just have to look at your own country which is the birthplace of said culture.
True. And I suppose drunken yobs rioting in the streets are part of British culture. We all have our crosses/crescents/trishuls to bear. I wish you the best in tolerating yours.
What do you think it is about British culture that makes this such an annual phenomenon. I love a good night out myself, so do the Americans, French, Canadians, Ozzies....I could go on. Why are only the Brits so belligerent when you should be pleasantly sozzled and wanting to talk about your unique solution for world peace?No point in denying it. Football hooliganism wasn't referred to as the English disease without reason. The riots might not be football related, but they are born of the same tribalism and indeed fuelled by drinking alcohol in large amounts.
Not an expert on British people, but I think its probably because the British are raised to be so formal and uptight and prim and proper. when they do get a chance to let it all out, they really let it all out.What do you think it is about British culture that makes this such an annual phenomenon. I love a good night out myself, so do the Americans, French, Canadians, Ozzies....I could go on. Why are only the Brits so belligerent when you should be pleasantly sozzled and wanting to talk about your unique solution for world peace?
I don't know. We Indians are pretty repressed too and we're not out on the streets everytime we have a peg too many.Not an expert on British people, but I think its probably because the British are raised to be so formal and uptight and prim and proper. when they do get a chance to let it all out, they really let it all out.
It sounds plausible, but I would say most of those who indulge in drunken hooliganism are not raised formally or prim and proper. They are quite often chavs or lesser educated types, although the underlying urges are shared by upper classes as well, but their formal upbringing and intelligence allows them to be more discrete about it. Alcohol or drugs will obviously loosen any inhibitions people have, so you might get peaceful protests turning violent once those inhibitions are dulled.Not an expert on British people, but I think its probably because the British are raised to be so formal and uptight and prim and proper. when they do get a chance to let it all out, they really let it all out.
I don't know. We Indians are pretty repressed too and we're not out on the streets everytime we have a peg too many.
It takes a unique combination of alcoholism, repression, disdain for rules/laws and lack of fear for the cops to be as belligerent as the Brits are.
Most tourist destinations hate the Brits and Russians. Just ask the average small hotel owner in Goa or Bali.
You make it sound like lynching and burning was invented in India and then copied everywhere.Lynching and burning are part of the subcontinent culture, if you doubt it, then you just have to look at your own country which is the birthplace of said culture.
Have you visited UAE, Indonesia, etc?Each country has it's rules I guess. Why is pork banned in Islamic countries? Why can't you have a pork slaughterhouse next to a mosque in Ind? Why do you want to punish those who want to eat pork and drink alcohol in Islamic countries?
By the way, placing a slaughterhouse next to a religious site seems like a questionable choice, especially if one cares at all about the aesthetics of the city.Each country has it's rules I guess. Why is pork banned in Islamic countries? Why can't you have a pork slaughterhouse next to a mosque in Ind? Why do you want to punish those who want to eat pork and drink alcohol in Islamic countries?
Yes have visited uae.. you just mention a handful.of countries out of 100 plus Islamic countries. Indonesia is not a true secular country nor is uae by law. In uae it is tolerated and they make allowances. It's a tiny country that has more foreign labor population than locals. Out of 100 plus Islamic countries-- you have these lol!Have you visited UAE, Indonesia, etc?
LOL,Yes have visited uae.. you just mention a handful.of countries out of 100 plus Islamic countries. Indonesia is not a true secular country nor is uae by law. In uae it is tolerated and they make allowances. It's a tiny country that has more foreign labor population than locals. Out of 100 plus Islamic countries-- you have these lol!
All religious terrorists organizations are islamic- taliban isis isil hamas jaish let etc etc etc... coincidence- i think not.
Semantics.. not next to say nearby. Would they allow a.pork slaughterhouse close to a mosque in Islamic countries or anywhere else for that matter?By the way, placing a slaughterhouse next to a religious site seems like a questionable choice, especially if one cares at all about the aesthetics of the city.
Any fringe political leader can say stupid things.. is it the law?? The law is secular and equal for all. And people are then booked for hate speech and charged accordingly. Did you listen to what akhbaruddin owaisi said on hindu gods? I am fine- its hate speech and he's charged accordingly. Just imagine someone saying something similar on islamic gods. Just some cartoons in france and it becomes a worldwide frenzy... see the bigotry here.. my way or highway.. blasphemy if you insult islam but no complaints whem muslims make fun of other religions... and punishable by death blasphemy laws lol !LOL,
I can't fathom why Hindutva feels the need to compare itself to Muslim-majority countries that repress their own citizens simply because they belong to minority groups.
I mean, you all deflect criticism by pointing fingers at other countries, as if that somehow justifies the reprehensible, bigoted ideology of Hindutva.
This is I really hate .law should be equal to every Indians not based on religionYou didn't know that?? Like seriously. Go look up the Ind constitution and laws. If any- they have more Muslim appeasement laws - marriage law, wakf subsidies, no ucc... pot calling the kettle black..
My initial assessment was 100% right.The house of former Bangladeshi captain Mashrafe Bin Mortaza has been burned by extremists in Bangladesh.
And you think they will spare minorities ?
A vast majority of Hindu posters here bring preconceived notions of Pakistanis and Islam here.. and there is little you can do to reason with them. They all believe Pakistan and Muslims are out to get them and kill non Muslims on sight in Pakistan.My dude, you're barking up the wrong tree. Take your time and re-read my view slowly before coming back at me.
You asked for a Muslim country that serves pork and allows alcohol—Indonesia, the largest Muslim country, does. Yet when I provided this example, you dismissed it as just a handful of countries. Funny how the goalposts move, huh?
Of course, there are countries and people who would harm others over religious sentiments, and I condemn them all.
Calm down and take a moment to understand the discussion. You're trying to turn this into a competition over who can be more bigoted toward their minority in 2024.
I am not here to compete.
You guys should have a separate thread for this. Has digressed from the topic which is plight of BD hindus.what are Muslim appeasement laws in predominantly Muslim Indonesia? LOL
- The marriage law? lol, haha, I am sorry, I am not trying to disrespectful to you but c'mon.
See, you are displaying your ignorance now, stringing up talking point from Whatsapp universities groups.
Re-group yourself then come back and maybe we can continue.
I haven't. I am just replying to those who has digressed from the topic, which is usually happens when Indian goes "what about Pakistan"You guys should have a separate thread for this. Has digressed from the topic which is plight of BD hindus.
don't want to derail this thread as this is about Ban..I think they all (Indian Hindus) just want to have 4 wives each as well. the inability to do so and watching their Muslim countrymen do it is driving them insane. I don't blame them.
They always talk about this law as if its creating a huge national security issue or is somehow detrimental to the progress of India. I think it keeps the men busy and diverts their attention away from other negative stuff such as extremism and whatnot. Just get them married to a few women who complain a lot, want the toilet seat down after every use, expect their husbands to remember the grocery list by heart, don't mind buying them the latest smart phones, can peel piyaz tamatar in the kitchen, know when doodh dahi is running out so they can run and get it on their way back home, etc.
really, which man in his right mind would even consider turning bad and will feel tempted to go kill kaafirs after doing all of that?
C'mon Indians, think!
I always have a hard time understanding this grievance. Maybe you can help me understand. Which Islamic Sharia law are you claiming is full of bigotry? Can you elaborate? Mind you I am not defending anything yet but I am just curious to know.An fyi.. See this on Indonesia-
There are no goal posts that moved here. Including 1% and ignoring the vast majority 99% of islamic countries. No bigotry from my side.. on the contrary the sharia islamic laws are full of bigotry. How many Muslim countries are truly secular with no official state Islamic religion?? I see that in the USA as well. Muslims dont want to assimilate and want to impose. They assimilate the least
lighten up, man. you didn't catch the sarcasm or my feeble attempts at humor there, I guess.Misogynistic sexist talk but don't want to derail this thread as this is about Ban..
On topic - Ban is setting up to be another Islamic dictatorship - the gen zia ul haq way. And the minorities in Ban are ripe for abuse now. Lets keep the thread on topic.
Can discuss in a different thread as I dont want to derail this it being off topic from this.I always have a hard time understanding this grievance. Maybe you can help me understand. Which Islamic Sharia law are you claiming is full of bigotry? Can you elaborate? Mind you I am not defending anything yet but I am just curious to know.
I am a Muslim family man who is living in a majority non Muslim country. Me and other people of my faith have never tried to impose anything in this country to the best of my knowledge. Maybe you can provide some examples to back this allegation as well?
similar to how an eye for an eye was considered an improvementwe are quickly devolving into trolls though. I think the Asian subcontinental nations are fast on their way to replacing lynching and burning with online trolling and pointless arguing on forums as their number 1 vice.
I think that actually might be a step in the right direction. Just imagine someone saying "I heard you slaughtered a cow yesterday. let me get home and I will rip you to shreds on Facebook" or "Heard you hurled an insult at my Imam. I am going to kill you on PP tonight"
I can tell you if the trend continues to grow there are a few posters where who have a good shot at becoming PMs of their respective countries.
I don’t know what that meanssimilar to how an eye for an eye was considered an improvement
Eye for eye was supposed to a moral teaching which improved society according to old testament.I don’t know what that means
Even the so called Neutral media is now reporting that thousands of Bangladeshis(Mostly Hindus, some Muslims) are attempting to enter India through various routes including crossing the rivers.
I thought everything was hunky dory post Hasina's departure. Minorities were safe and it was only BJP folk's propoganda. What happene ?
Each and every life is precious and I hope the new caretaker govt must quickly get a grip. BDs have sacrificed 100s of lives to get rid of the thuggish old woman and must protect their people( all of them and their places of worship asap). Modi feels humiliated and wants revenge and BD must be aware of trouble makers
Yes, BD muslims are attacking BD hindus to further BJPs and Modi's agenda.Recent news is she isn’t leaving India. It’s only a matter of time before she is used as a pawn to create a narrative of hate, furthering Modi’s Hindutva agenda.
Yes, BD muslims are attacking BD hindus to further BJPs and Modi's agenda.
I admire their dedication to the cause of their civilization. One set does the acts on the streets, another set starts providing cover. By first denying and refusing, then downplaying it as sporadic, then terming it secular and not religiously motivated, then putting the blame on others, that BD hindus are facing punishment for what BJP has done. Blaming everyone except the direct perpetrators. In between adding platitudes like beauty contestants say that they stand for inner beauty and world peace.That's the cope out. Justification to kill Hindus.
That's the cope out. Justification to kill Hindus.
First, let’s not be disingenuous by lumping everyone here together with Hindutva supporters, who justify the genocide in Gaza simply because the victims are Muslims.
No one with a shred of moral decency can justify the deaths of innocents in sectarian or communal violence—unless, of course, they subscribe to Hindutva ideology, in which case they will eagerly provide a laundry list of justifications for genocide and ethnic cleansing.
India expedited her departure when others refused her refuge, fully aware that she was responsible for the deaths of numerous innocent civilian protesters.
The Indian government is not as naive as you pretend to be in advancing your bigoted Hindutva supremacy narrative, nor is anyone here who doesn't subscribe to that ideology. She was an asset of the Indian government, and if she is still alive, India will undoubtedly use her as such when the time is right.
Now continue with one line reply:
What Hindutva?
What bigot?
What genocide?
And whatever
lol.Last time I checked you ran away from that Gaza thread where your closet Jihadi intolerance got brutally exposed? Ditto when I asked you to show casualty figures attributed to Hindutva ideology?
Want another round of schooling? Let me Know and I will duly bump the threads
lol.
Closet Jihadi intolerance?
You want to go back to arguing that European Jews have every right to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing because their ancestors once lived on that land?
Or you are upset that Muslims of Indian shouldn’t practice Islam if they want to continue to live in India because their ancestors were once Hindu?
Or you want to make a point that Pakistani are confused and have no identity because they aren’t Hindus anymore?
Or you want to argue that India is minting more ‘Luxmi’ than its neighbor because it is a Hindutva rashtra?
If I had left out any other sorry excuse of Hindutva bigotry that you proudly display here then please accept my apology.
But, it’s okay. I’ll let you live in your delusional universe in peace as neither I have any interest to discuss any excuse why the genocide is okay nor probably most of the readers who aren’t Hindutva racist bigots.
Enjoy
Let me repeat this again ... You have ZERO/NADA/SHUNYA/SIFAR/NOTHING/ZILCH in the form of empirical evidence on these topics:
1. Genocide
2. Religious Intolerance
3. Bigotry
4. Peace (lol)
No it's false news ,Minorities are safer and secure than anywhere . It's fake news peddled by India and USAHindus, Facing Violence, Hold Massive Rally In Bangladesh, Muhammad Yunus Responds
Lakhs of Hindus took to the streets in Bangladesh on Saturday to protest against the ongoing attacks on the community after Sheikh Hasina resigned as prime minister and fled to India.
Bangladesh's capital Dhaka and Chittagong, the second-largest city in the country, witnessed lakhs of people attending the massive rallies.
Members of minority communities in violence-hit Bangladesh have faced more than 205 incidents of attacks across 52 districts since the fall of the Ms Hasina-led government on August 5.
Hundreds of Hindus are believed to have been injured in attacks on their homes and businesses.
Several Hindu temples have also been vandalised and at least two Hindu leaders affiliated with Ms Hasina's Awami League party have so far been killed in the violence.
Thousands of Bangladeshi Hindus have also been trying to flee to neighbouring India to escape the violence.
Demanding special tribunals to expedite trials of those who persecute the minorities, allocation of 10 per cent parliamentary seats for the minorities, and enactment of a minority protection law among others, the Hindu demonstrators' rally blocked traffic for over three hours at Shahbagh in the central part of Dhaka.
Thousands of Muslim protestors, including students, also joined them expressing solidarity for the cause of minorities.
In Chittagong, a huge gathering was held at the historic Cheragi Pahar Square.
According to some reports, over seven lakh people attended the rally.
Similar demonstrations were held in the US and the UK.
Bangladesh's Interim Leader On Attacks On Minorities
Bangladesh's interim leader Muhammad Yunus on Saturday condemned attacks on the minority communities in the violence-hit nation, terming them as "heinous".
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Mr Yunus, a Nobel laureate, also urged the students, who are at the forefront of the protests, to protect all Hindu, Christian, and Buddhist families from harm.
Post a comment"Are they not the people of this country? You have been able to save the country; can't you save some families?... You must say - no one can harm them. They are my brothers; we fought together, and we will stay together," the 84-year-old asserted, underscoring the need for national unity.
NDTV
It is not going to end well for BD hindus. The whole ecosystem tried to dismiss it as fake news, BD muslim journalists even wrote for Al Jazeera painting it as secular violence, everyone tried to hide or downplay it. But Hindus coming to streets in large numbers has exposed them all. But they have also angered the BD muslims who expected submission from them.Hindus, Facing Violence, Hold Massive Rally In Bangladesh, Muhammad Yunus Responds
Lakhs of Hindus took to the streets in Bangladesh on Saturday to protest against the ongoing attacks on the community after Sheikh Hasina resigned as prime minister and fled to India.
Bangladesh's capital Dhaka and Chittagong, the second-largest city in the country, witnessed lakhs of people attending the massive rallies.
Members of minority communities in violence-hit Bangladesh have faced more than 205 incidents of attacks across 52 districts since the fall of the Ms Hasina-led government on August 5.
Hundreds of Hindus are believed to have been injured in attacks on their homes and businesses.
Several Hindu temples have also been vandalised and at least two Hindu leaders affiliated with Ms Hasina's Awami League party have so far been killed in the violence.
Thousands of Bangladeshi Hindus have also been trying to flee to neighbouring India to escape the violence.
Demanding special tribunals to expedite trials of those who persecute the minorities, allocation of 10 per cent parliamentary seats for the minorities, and enactment of a minority protection law among others, the Hindu demonstrators' rally blocked traffic for over three hours at Shahbagh in the central part of Dhaka.
Thousands of Muslim protestors, including students, also joined them expressing solidarity for the cause of minorities.
In Chittagong, a huge gathering was held at the historic Cheragi Pahar Square.
According to some reports, over seven lakh people attended the rally.
Similar demonstrations were held in the US and the UK.
Bangladesh's Interim Leader On Attacks On Minorities
Bangladesh's interim leader Muhammad Yunus on Saturday condemned attacks on the minority communities in the violence-hit nation, terming them as "heinous".
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Mr Yunus, a Nobel laureate, also urged the students, who are at the forefront of the protests, to protect all Hindu, Christian, and Buddhist families from harm.
Post a comment"Are they not the people of this country? You have been able to save the country; can't you save some families?... You must say - no one can harm them. They are my brothers; we fought together, and we will stay together," the 84-year-old asserted, underscoring the need for national unity.
NDTV
It is not going to end well for BD hindus. The whole ecosystem tried to dismiss it as fake news, BD muslim journalists even wrote for Al Jazeera painting it as secular violence, everyone tried to hide or downplay it. But Hindus coming to streets in large numbers has exposed them all. But they have also angered the BD muslims who expected submission from them.
It is going to get only worse for BD hindus from now.
Then it will give the others more justification to kill the hindus. They are already looking for reasons to blame them.They must go on a war now for their survival sake. Give a knife to every one including women and children. If they’re gonna go down, better go down fighting. The blood of the ancient Sanatanis still runs in those veins.
Tell him that it is fake news and some isolated incidents, and that no one is perfect, and these things happen.
Then it will give the others more justification to kill the hindus. They are already looking for reasons to blame them.
The BD Hindus should just convert and save themselves. As a minority, they will be tolerated only if they are submissive, if they dare to speak up, even those who are supporting them will look the other way.
I will first expect the philosophy of the strong applied on hindus in India, before I would like to see how it works with the minority hindus in BD.That’s the philosophy of the weak.
The only way to fight the bully is to knock his teeth off and i bet you he will either come back with a gun or won’t return at all and most times it’s the later.
The Hindus are weak because they do not hit back as one.
I will first expect the philosophy of the strong applied on hindus in India, before I would like to see how it works with the minority hindus in BD.
When hindus in India are not able to save hindus, then I don't want to see BD hindus showing any bravado which will only spiral them towards extinction.
Ab bhi bolo that it’s all fake news peddled by Hindutvawadis on social media.
Just a suggestion.Warning:
Don't make personal remarks or target countries of each others below the belt
Yes go on but don't hurt sentimentsJust a suggestion.
I think you should allow it as long as people are not cursing or use abusive language.
It brings true nature and thinking of Posters rather than sugar coating their opinion. Its better to let the poison out rather than suppress it.
I am in this camp. For me a human life is more important than any religion. If i was in that position- I will just convert or say whatever they want if they spare my life. That is just me though. A human life is so precious- not worth dying for any silly things like religion or land etc etcThen it will give the others more justification to kill the hindus. They are already looking for reasons to blame them.
The BD Hindus should just convert and save themselves. As a minority, they will be tolerated only if they are submissive, if they dare to speak up, even those who are supporting them will look the other way.
Yes go on but don't hurt sentiments
We always say that’s cuz y’all don’t eat meat.That’s the philosophy of the weak.
The only way to fight the bully is to knock his teeth off and i bet you he will either come back with a gun or won’t return at all and most times it’s the later.
The Hindus are weak because they do not hit back as one.
The BD Hindus eat meat, but that is not saving them from attacks on the ground and mockeryWe always say that’s cuz y’all don’t eat meat.
No difference. People have to look after their own coreligionists.What's the difference between Indian Hindus being concerned about Hindus in Bangladesh, Pakistani and Indian Muslims worrying about their Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine, and Pakistanis being concerned about Indian Muslims?
It appears that you have completed the survey in all three countries and are now ready to share the results with us. Please go ahead.No difference. People have to look after their own coreligionists.
Only difference is, no Muslim from India wants to go to Pakistan or BD.
But Hindus from Pakistan and BD want to come to India.
Images and videos on social media tells you what is happening in Bangladesh. Hundreds and thousands of Bangladeshi Hindus are at the border trying to cross over into India. The BSF is turning them back.It appears that you have completed the survey in all three countries and are now ready to share the results with us. Please go ahead.
Now people will tell you that it was a doctored video and the attackers were actually trying to rescue Hindus from the fire.
The difference is that there are many to show concern and outrage over muslims, while there are very few, if any, for hindus.What's the difference between Indian Hindus being concerned about Hindus in Bangladesh, Pakistani and Indian Muslims worrying about their Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine, and Pakistanis being concerned about Indian Muslims?