PM Imran Khan lays the blame on India for killing of Shia and Sunni scholars in Pakistan

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Condemnable targeted killing of Maulana Adil of Jamia Farooqia in Karachi this evening. My govt has known & I have repeatedly stated this on TV, since last 3 months India's attempts to target kill Aalims from Sunni & Shia sects to create sectarian conflict across the country. <a href="https://t.co/HbhJ0o16zB">pic.twitter.com/HbhJ0o16zB</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1314994990347628545?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Maulana Dr Adil Khan, a religious scholar and head of Karachi's Jamia Farooqia seminary, was shot dead along with his driver in a suspected targeted attack in the city on Saturday, officials said.

Maulana Adil was the son of late prominent scholar Maulana Saleemullah Khan, who founded the Jamia Farooqia, located in Shah Faisal Colony.

According to a police statement, as the Vigo car carrying Dr Adil stopped near a shopping centre in Shah Faisal Colony to purchase sweets, armed pillion riders opened indiscriminate fire on the car and fled.

Dr Adil was shifted to the Liaquat National Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival, according to hospital spokesperson Anjum Rizvi.

His driver, Maqsood Ahmed, was also declared dead on arrival at the Jinnah Postgraduate Medical Centre (JPMC), said Dr Seemin Jamali, the hospital's executive director.

An aide of Maulana Adil, Umair, who had left the vehicle to purchase sweets from a nearby shop, remained unhurt in the incident.

The seminary head's body was later brought to the JPMC to fulfil legal formalities.

Maulana Adil, a scholar from the Sunni Deobandi sect, completed a PhD in religious studies and had taught in Malaysia before returning to Karachi a few years ago after the death of his father Maulana Saleemullah, who had remained a student at the Darul Uloom Deoband in India.

Sindh Chief Minister Murad Ali Shah took notice of and condemned the incident, saying some miscreants wanted to "sabotage the peace in the city".

Separately, Sindh Inspector General of Police Mushtaq Ahmed Mahar sought a detailed report from the Korangi senior superintendent of police.

Counter-Terrorism Department Deputy Inspector General Omar Shahid Hamid said police were focusing on two possible motives behind the incident.

He said in addition to the obvious sectarian aspect of the gun attack, they were ascertaining as to whether a third party wanted to create sectarian conflict. He pointed out that "certain incidents" that recently took place had triggered fears about sectarianism in the city.

According to DIG Hamid, Dr Adil was prominent figure in the Deobandi school of thought who also remained a close aide of Mufti Taqi Usmani. He was coming from the Darul Uloom Korangi when he was targeted.

PM Imran, others condemn attack
Prime Minister Imran Khan in a tweet termed as "condemnable" Maulana Adil's "targeted killing", saying for the last three months, his government had been aware of "India's attempts to target kill [scholars] from Sunni and Shia sects to create sectarian conflict across the country".

"We have prevented a number of such attempts preemptively in [the] last few months. Our intelligence organisations and law enforcement agencies will nab culprits of this murder also," the premier said.

He called upon the ulema belonging to all sects to "ensure people do not fall prey to this nefarious Indian design to destabilise Pakistan".

Other politicians and citizens also took to social media to condemn the fatal attack on the scholar.

In a tweet, Sindh Education Minister Saeed Ghani said he was "deeply saddened" to hear of the passing of Maulana Adil. He added that the attack on the scholar was a "conspiracy to disturb the situation in Sindh, especially Karachi".

Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) chief Sirajul Haq also took to Twitter to express sorrow at Dr Adil's death, saying he had been attacked by "the enemies of Pakistan".

He demanded of the authorities to arrest the culprits and give exemplary punishment to them.

PML-N leader Ahsan Iqbal expressed shock at Dr Adil's death, saying Pakistan and the Muslim world had been deprived of a highly respectable scholarly personality.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1584316/jamia-farooqia-head-maulana-adil-driver-shot-dead-in-karachi
 
Before Indians go bats*** crazy

This is exactly the kind of statements Indian PMs been making for decades

Don't do IK this IK that when he is just repeating the tactics used by Indian PMs
 
Before Indians go bats*** crazy

This is exactly the kind of statements Indian PMs been making for decades

Don't do IK this IK that when he is just repeating the tactics used by Indian PMs

even if it is a tactic, it is a good one. Rather hate india than shias and sunnis hating each other.
 
Before Indians go bats*** crazy

This is exactly the kind of statements Indian PMs been making for decades

Don't do IK this IK that when he is just repeating the tactics used by Indian PMs


The entire Indian politics is based on the premise of Pakistan and Muslims.

Just think about it for one second, had there been no Pakistan, and no Muslims in India, would BJP survive even for a month?

Reminds me of this,

 
Before Indians go bats*** crazy

This is exactly the kind of statements Indian PMs been making for decades

Don't do IK this IK that when he is just repeating the tactics used by Indian PMs

Were pakistanis not caught in 26/11 attacks?

Are LeT, JeM their leaders, banned by UNSC not in pakistan?

Doesn't pakistan officially support a secessionist terrorist movement in India?
 
Were pakistanis not caught in 26/11 attacks?

Are LeT, JeM their leaders, banned by UNSC not in pakistan?

Doesn't pakistan officially support a secessionist terrorist movement in India?

All of those are questionable "facts" which could bear closer examination, but more importantly, this is not really relevant to IK's accusations. You should address those rather than run down the nearest rabbit hole in search of a tastier carrot.
 
Were pakistanis not caught in 26/11 attacks?

Are LeT, JeM their leaders, banned by UNSC not in pakistan?

Doesn't pakistan officially support a secessionist terrorist movement in India?

funny how I said "Before Indians go bats*** crazy" and you did exactly the sort of thing I had in mind

I am not even going to respond to the "allegations" not worth my time
 
Were pakistanis not caught in 26/11 attacks?

Are LeT, JeM their leaders, banned by UNSC not in pakistan?

Doesn't pakistan officially support a secessionist terrorist movement in India?

How did 11 terrorists from Pakistan sneak into India by boats across the Arabian sea evading the indian coast guards that have regularly detained Pakistani fishermen for accidentally trespassing even half a mile into Indian seas? Makes no sense to me or anyone that actually thinks about it.

I'm more inclined to believe the theory that Kasab was kidnapped in Nepal by Indian intel, everyone knows India's intel has a lot of influence in Nepal and has worked with their governments in the past and there have been cases of Pakistanis disappearing in Nepal (usually kidnapped by Indian intel). So chances are Kasab was abducted from Nepal, tortured and brainwashed and then forced to become a terrorist for India's false flag operation.
 
Typical statement from IK. Why do Aurangzaib Farooqi, Ludhiainvi and other anti-Shia militants hang out with police and military officials?

Instead of blaming others for your shortcomings and deficiencies, please accept the realities and fix your problems.
 
Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa strongly condemned Maulana Adil Khan's assassination, terming it "an attempt to foment unrest by Pakistan's enemies".

In a tweet on Sunday, the DG ISPR said that expressed grief over the killing and had directed all-out support to civil administration to bring the criminals to justice.

Read more: Prominent religious scholar Maulana Adil Khan shot dead in Karachi

"Expressing grief on assassination of renowned religious scholar Maulana Adil in Karachi, #COAS strongly condemned the incident and termed it an attempt to foment unrest by Pakistan’s enemies. COAS directed all out support to civil administration to bring the criminals to justice," he tweeted.

The prominent religious scholar, along with his driver, was shot dead on Saturday in Karachi's Shah Faisal area, with Prime Minister Imran Khan chalking it up as "an attempt by India to create sectarian conflict across the country".

Adil Khan was the son of late Saleemullah Khan, the former president of Wifaq-ul-Madaris Al-Arabia and is the principal of Jamia Farooqi.

According to police, the scholar was sitting in a Toyota Vigo, with the vehicle parked outside Shama shopping centre when suspects on motorcycles came up to him and shot him.

Police said that a third person, Umair, was also accompanying Maulana Adil and survived the incident. He had gone inside the shopping centre to buy mithai (sweet meats).

Sources in Liaquat National Hospital, where he was taken to, said that the scholar had already passed away when he arrived. According to the hospital's spokesperson, Maulana Adil suffered two bullet wounds.

Jinnah Postgraduate Medical Centre Executive Director Dr Seemi Jamali said that the body of Muhammad Maqsood, the driver of the deceased scholar, was brought to the facility's emergency ward.
 
I see people pointing fingers in all directions.

Nobody is looking at the root cause of such extremist ideologies:
It comes from a certain nation that used to be known as Najd :)
 
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“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.” Politicians like Khan and Modi have more in common than they’d like to admit.
 
Typical statement from IK. Why do Aurangzaib Farooqi, Ludhiainvi and other anti-Shia militants hang out with police and military officials?

Instead of blaming others for your shortcomings and deficiencies, please accept the realities and fix your problems.
Agree with this post. Very poor statement from Imran.
 
Before Indians go bats*** crazy

This is exactly the kind of statements Indian PMs been making for decades

Don't do IK this IK that when he is just repeating the tactics used by Indian PMs

But our security agencies have been warning about this for months. This is just fact.
 
Imran is overestimating our capabilities massively.
 
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.” Politicians like Khan and Modi have more in common than they’d like to admit.

When the Muslim Killer Modi was letting his goons "vent off" anger in Gujarat...

Imran Khan was building cancer hospitals.


Never forget. Hypocrisy is disgusting.
 
Protests against the murder of religious scholar Maulana Dr Adil Khan were held in several areas of Karachi on Friday.

The call for protests was issued by the Karachi Ulema Committee (KUC) yesterday. The committee also called for a 'wheel-jam' strike across the city, assuring that the demonstrations would be peaceful.

Several shops in different areas remained closed on Friday morning and public transport was scarce, as KUC had urged traders and transporters to close their businesses. A heavy contingent of police and Rangers officials was deployed in different areas of the city.

The protests were held at:

Nagan Chowrangi

Lasbella Chowk

Banaras Chowk

Dawood Chowrangi

Qayyumabad

Lee Market

Shops and markets were reopened after Friday prayers. All Karachi Tajir Ittehad Chairperson Atiq Mir said it was a "peaceful strike" as the body had not received any reports of forceful closure of businesses. He added that traders "could not afford such strikes" as they had already suffered immense losses due to Covid-19 related restrictions.

Leader of the banned Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat, Maulana Aurangzeb Farooqi along with KUC’s acting head, Maulana Iqbalullah, Maulana Hazrat Wali, Qari Allah Dad, Mufti Hamadullah Madani, Maulana Rab Nawaz Hanafi, Maulana Mohammed Tayab among others expressed gratitude to traders and transporters who "closed their business to protest against lack of arrest of the killers of the cleric".

The KUC members regretted the perceived lack of action from the government and demanded that law enforcement agencies pick up the pace of investigation of the case.

Farooqui, while speaking at a press conference on Thursday said that a peaceful protest was KUC's right. He warned that if the killers were not arrested, they would be compelled to exercise other options.

Flanked by other KUC members, including Qari Allah Dad, Maulana Hamad Madani, Maulana Taj Hanafi, and Maulana Rab Nawaz Hanafi, he said that the assassination of Dr Adil and lack of arrest of the killers had put a question mark over performance of the government.

Assassination
Dr Adil, who was the head of the Karachi's Jamia Farooqia seminary and a notable scholar of the Sunni Deobandi sect, was murdered by unidentified assailants on October 10.

According to a police statement, pillion riders opened indiscriminate fire on Maulana Adil's car as it stopped near a shopping centre in Shah Faisal Colony to purchase sweets.

Maulana Adil’s aide Umair, who had left the vehicle to purchase sweets from the shop, remained unhurt.

Dr Adil and his driver, Maqsood Ahmed, were both declared dead after being shifted to the hospital.

Investigators have launched a probe to ascertain the identity and exact motive for the killing.

Counter-terrorism Department (CTD) incharge Raja Umer Khattab had earlier told the media that three people were involved in the attack. Two of the culprits, Khattab said, got off the bike near the spot where Dr Adil's car was parked, while the third suspect rode to the other side of the road.

The killers used 9mm pistols, he said, adding that the casings of spent shells had been sent to a forensic lab.

A day after the murder, Karachi police chief Additional Inspector General Ghulam Nabi Memon told Dawn: “We are looking into this case from different angles and it is too early to comment.”

Meanwhile, CTD Deputy IG Omar Shahid Hamid said all possible aspects of the incident were being investigated and nothing can be ruled out at this stage.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1585384/protests-against-maulana-adils-killing-held-in-karachi
 
The premier stated that the incumbent Indian government was the "most extreme" government in 73 years and hated Muslims and Pakistan. He said that laws enacted by the Indian government — the Citizenship Amendment Act and the National Register of Citizens — were targeted at Indian Muslims, adding that no government had done to Kashmir what this "extremist, racist, totalitarian" government had done.

He emphasised that this was why Pakistan needed a strong army. "There is no week when our soldiers do not sacrifice their lives. From our merged districts to Balochistan and sometimes even in Karachi, planned terrorism is being carried out. Who is standing in front of them? Our army and security forces.

"We know that Narendra Modi's government is trying to [create chaos] not only through terrorism but through Shia-Sunni conflict. They planned to spread chaos by killing Shia and Sunni scholars. I pay tribute to our army who destroyed these plans

https://www.dawn.com/news/1588027/o...es-my-selection-was-absolutely-right-pm-imran
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I want to reassure the Hazara families who lost their loved ones in a brutal terrorist attack in Machh that I am cogniscant of their suffering & their demands. We are taking steps to prevent such attacks in the future & know our neighbour is instigating this sectarian terrorism.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1346759535684427776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I want to reassure the Hazara families who lost their loved ones in a brutal terrorist attack in Machh that I am cogniscant of their suffering & their demands. We are taking steps to prevent such attacks in the future & know our neighbour is instigating this sectarian terrorism.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1346759535684427776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I will post a video tomorrow of IK where he tells the journalist that Pakistani military nurtured sectarian killers as a policy. Now that he is the PM, he blames whatever happens in Pakistan on India.
 
I will post a video tomorrow of IK where he tells the journalist that Pakistani military nurtured sectarian killers as a policy. Now that he is the PM, he blames whatever happens in Pakistan on India.

Waiting for the video still. If not then you are just spreading ** in every thread due to your hate off IK.
 
I will post a video tomorrow of IK where he tells the journalist that Pakistani military nurtured sectarian killers as a policy. Now that he is the PM, he blames whatever happens in Pakistan on India.

There is countless evidence today of Indian espionage, sabotage and structured propaganda against Pakistan.
 
Waiting for the video still. If not then you are just spreading ** in every thread due to your hate off IK.

He is probably part of the Indian cyber army. They act like sleeper cells and pretend to be from Pakistan for a given period of time till they gain acceptance among Pakistanis. And then they begin spewing venom against Pakistan and muslims. This is part of a bigger and quite large scale perception war which includes mind mapping and psyops to create defeatist mindsets and demoralize people. You know what its biggest defence is? It is how ridiculous it sounds to most people.
 
Waiting for the video still. If not then you are just spreading ** in every thread due to your hate off IK.

He is probably part of the Indian cyber army. They act like sleeper cells and pretend to be from Pakistan for a given period of time till they gain acceptance among Pakistanis. And then they begin spewing venom against Pakistan and muslims. This is part of a bigger and quite large scale perception war which includes mind mapping and psyops to create defeatist mindsets and demoralize people. You know what its biggest defence is? It is how ridiculous it sounds to most people.

https://www.deccanherald.com/intern...n-blames-pak-army-for-balochistan-759053.html


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Having admitted what PakistanArmy did in Bangladesh & is doing in Balochistan,FATA,<a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> thinks of our Army also dealing with terrorism same way <br>Someone educate him,There’s no genocide,no Airforce,Artillery used anywhere here.<br>Magnitude of Pak proxy war notwithstanding <a href="https://t.co/l1f06ZjaTG">https://t.co/l1f06ZjaTG</a></p>— Imtiyaz Hussain (@hussain_imtiyaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/hussain_imtiyaz/status/1169157166307119104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not sure if he is directly blaming the army though but my guess is he is talking about this video
 
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He is probably part of the Indian cyber army. They act like sleeper cells and pretend to be from Pakistan for a given period of time till they gain acceptance among Pakistanis. And then they begin spewing venom against Pakistan and muslims. This is part of a bigger and quite large scale perception war which includes mind mapping and psyops to create defeatist mindsets and demoralize people. You know what its biggest defence is? It is how ridiculous it sounds to most people.

Also would tie in with common sense analysis which would suggest that stoking sectarian conflict in Pakistan would be far more in line with Indian policy than Pakistan's. The two biggest "Pakistani" defenders of India on PP also post according to these rules of engagement.
 
LeJ. ISIS. Jundullah. All these kill Shias.

I will post a video tomorrow of IK where he tells the journalist that Pakistani military nurtured sectarian killers as a policy. Now that he is the PM, he blames whatever happens in Pakistan on India.

Typical statement from IK. Why do Aurangzaib Farooqi, Ludhiainvi and other anti-Shia militants hang out with police and military officials?

Instead of blaming others for your shortcomings and deficiencies, please accept the realities and fix your problems.


For goodness sake, you are becoming a joke here. Keep one context. First you say it is IK, now you flip the switch and are like ISIS and stuff. ISIS is not even considered Muslims by so many people and ullemas, and now all of sudden from IK, you came down to ISIS.

STOP SPREADING NONSENSE & FAKE NEWS. Back up your garbage with a proof or just shut up.
 
Karachi, Pakistan – Miles from the hustle and bustle of the metropolis of Pakistan’s largest city, Karachi, lies the Wadi-e-Hussain graveyard with its hundreds of graves. Each is a window into a life that ended all too abruptly.

Protected from the city by large iron gates and tall walls, there is an uneasy calm within its walls where many of the city’s Shia Muslims have been laid to rest.

Pakistan is home to 220 million people, almost all of whom are Muslim. It is also home to one of the largest Shia populations in the world, as an estimated 20 percent of Muslims there are Shia.

At Wadi-e-Hussain red flags are planted by the graves of observant Shia Muslims who have died in targeted killings, gun or bomb attacks.

Since 2001, more than 2,600 Shia Muslims have been killed in violent attacks in the South Asian country, according to the South Asia Terrorism Portal research organisation. This year has seen an uptick in targeted killings against Shia accused of blasphemy.

In September, tens of thousands attended a demonstration in Karachi organised by the Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ), a Sunni hardline group that is banned under Pakistani law for its ties to the armed Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) group, which has carried out many of the largest bombings and attacks on the community since 1996.

At Wadi-e-Hussain, people paying their respects come and go, as the caretaker customarily sprinkles water on the graves.

“Some bring flowers, some light candles on every Thursday, sometimes a brother or a mother comes with the book of prayer, spends time on the grave,” says the caretaker Laal Mohammad.

As the scent of rose petals and incense wafts across the graves this history of violence is writ large across the tombstones. A group of five graves marks a family killed in the Abbas town blast of 2013. A mother’s grave sits by her four-year-old’s son’s, killed in the same blast; the inscription says the woman dropped dead when she saw her young child’s lifeless body.

There are more than 300 graves belonging to the those dubbed as “martyrs” in Wadi-e-Hussain. These are their stories.

‘My brother did not come back’
A woman sits near a grave, reading verses from a prayer book, crying as she does so.

Tehseen Abidi’s younger brother was also killed in the 2013 bombing in Abbas Town, a popular majority-Shia Muslim neighbourhood in Karachi. Kashif Abbas Abidi was at the site of the blast when it went off. Police never found his body.

For 40-year-old Tehseen, Kashif was her whole world. Sitting by his grave, she tells the story of the day she lost her brother in the attack, a sequence of bomb blasts which killed at least 45 people.

“He died in the first blast, he was present at the site of the blast, he promised me that he would come to see me in the evening, my brother did not come back” she says.
Abidi owned a general store in the neighbourhood and was at work when the bombs went off.

“It was March 3 and a Sunday,” said Tehseen. She only got a few sentences in before she broke down in tears, remembering her “little one”.

The government offered financial compensation to the families whose relatives had died that day and in other attacks. But the relatives say the money is of little comfort.

“The government gave 1.5 million rupees [about $14,300] to his wife, but our loss is so big that nothing can compensate for this loss,” said Tehseen.

“Even if our whole life we cry it’s not enough. Maybe if we all die crying in this anguish, maybe only then it will be compensated.”

‘Something died inside me that day’
On June 6, 1963 while preparing for a local ceremony, Ishtiaq Hussain and his fellow mourners heard the news of an attack on the procession in Thehri town, 14 kilometres (8.6 miles) out of Khairpur city in Sindh province. Hussain, now aged 80, is still haunted by his memories of that day.

It was a few days after Ashura, the 10th day of Muharram, the first month in the Islamic calendar. Ashura marks the anniversary of the Karbala mass killing and is commemorated by Shia Muslims in sombre rituals and processions.

“We were around 200 people who ran to save the congregation of Thehri that day,” he says. “We didn’t know that the news was a trap, and there were thousands of [attackers] waiting for us with axes and swords in their hands, to chop us all into pieces.”

Hussain made it out alive but he has no idea how.

“I was among the survivors, but I can’t recall how I survived. There were around 10 people who attacked me with the axes, they injured me badly, my neck and shoulder were bleeding, they kicked me in my stomach to the point that I started spitting blood,” he says.

“I still survived, but something died inside me that day.”

The attack at Thehri was one of the first significant sectarian attacks since Pakistan gained independence from the British in 1947.

More than 118 people were killed on that day. They were to be the first of thousands killed for being Shia.

Silencing the outcry
In August 2020, in the month of Muharram, a fresh wave of sectarian tension rippled across Karachi and the rest of the country. Shia scholars were accused of blasphemy after they gave sermons critical of Islam’s early caliphs. Thousands rallied in Karachi under the banner of the ASWJ, calling Pakistan’s Shia leaders infidels.

After the protests ended, many Pakistanis denounced the ASWJ supporters’ hate speech and said the government had not taken the demonstrators to task.

Journalist Bilal Farooqi was one of the few who spoke out publicly.

A Sunni, Farooqi was arrested in October 2020 on charges of having spread “religious hatred” and “anti-state sentiment”. He had tweeted criticisms of the ASWJ march and questioned the authorities over their allowing an organisation that had been designated as “terrorist” to organise the march.

“Most of my posts, on the basis of which [a police case] was filed against me, were about the ASWJ’s involvement in anti-Shia activities,” said Farooqi. Later released from police custody, he is still facing the same court charges.

He has called on Sunni Muslim activists to speak up against police inaction towards groups involved in Shia Muslim attacks.

Running parallel with the ASWJ’s continuing anti-Shia campaign has been the rise of a new far-right religious group in Pakistan, the Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP), which has made the so-called issue of blasphemy a rallying point.

Since 2017, the TLP and its leading scholars have seen a sharp rise in support for the issue and have pressured the government to penalise those accused of blasphemy.

The movement and its leader Khadim Hussain Rizvi were behind days of protests in 2018 over one of Pakistan’s most high-profile blasphemy cases. It involved the acquittal of a Christian woman, Asia Bibi on blasphemy charges. The TLP also blocked the main highway leading to the capital Islamabad for weeks in 2017 over a change in an electoral oath. It was deemed by them as blasphemous because it eased some restrictions on members of the Ahmadi sect, an offshoot of Sunni Islam that believes in a subordinate prophet and has been declared non-Muslim under Pakistani law.

Farooqi says the TLP has also recently hit out at Shia Muslims for what they say is blasphemy against some of Prophet Muhammad’s companions.

Regional politics, local violence
Following the Islamic revolution in 1979 in Shia-majority Iran, which shares a border with Pakistan, there was an influx of Iranian and Shia Muslim influence into Pakistan, says Hasan Zafar Naqvi, a popular Pakistani Shia leader.

The real problem, he argues, emerged after the United States and Saudi Arabia – which is Sunni-majority and has long viewed Iran as its regional rival – began to look at Iran’s perceived influence in Pakistan as a threat to the region.

Pakistan’s ruler at the time, General Zia ul-Haq, had seized power in a military coup in 1977 and was in the process of establishing a more theocratic state. During Haq’s time in power until 1988, the role of religion in government affairs grew. It also became the basis for US-backed armed action by the ‘mujahideen’ in neighbouring Afghanistan.

Backed by Saudi Arabia, Sunni hardline groups began to counter the perceived threat of Shia in the region. To that purpose, a group called Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP, later to become the ASWJ) was formed in 1985 in central Pakistan.

Founded by Haq Nawaz Jhangvi, the party was against the mainly Shia Muslim landlords of the area and sought to exploit sectarian differences. It called for Shia Muslims to be declared non-Muslim under Pakistani law and organised frequent protests to highlight the issue. The rise of the SSP, and its allied LeJ in the 1990s, saw a sharp rise in incidents of violence against Shia Muslims across the country in the decades to follow, says Naqvi, the scholar.

Repeated attacks
In 2009, Syed Liaquat Hussain Zaidi, an influential Shia activist and leader in Karachi was gunned down by LeJ.

Zaidi’s murderer was arrested two years later and confessed to police that he was working for the LeJ and had been given a hit-list of influential Shia Muslims in the city to kill, according to Zaidi’s family.

Zaidi was actively involved in charity and welfare work and was the president of Pasban-e-Aza, a Shia welfare organisation, said his sister Rehana Zaidi.

On a winter morning in November, Zaidi took his young son to school but never returned, says Rehana.

Two motorcyclists shot him three times in the head as he stopped at a traffic signal in the city. His niece first reached the scene and found her uncle in a pool of blood, the car surrounded by onlookers. No one attempted to help him, she says.

A year after the murder, Zaidi’s killers returned – this time shooting Zaidi’s nephew, Rameez Hussain, mere blocks away from the family home.

Miraculously, the nephew survived. The murderer, in his confession, told police he had fled the scene having assumed Hussain had been killed. “God saved him,” says Rehana.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/1/6/wadi-e-hussain-a-graveyard-for-pakistani-shia
 
For goodness sake, you are becoming a joke here. Keep one context. First you say it is IK, now you flip the switch and are like ISIS and stuff. ISIS is not even considered Muslims by so many people and ullemas, and now all of sudden from IK, you came down to ISIS.

STOP SPREADING NONSENSE & FAKE NEWS. Back up your garbage with a proof or just shut up.

Read my posts again.
 
Pathetic statement. Doing exactly what our neighbors do
 
https://www.deccanherald.com/intern...n-blames-pak-army-for-balochistan-759053.html


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Having admitted what PakistanArmy did in Bangladesh & is doing in Balochistan,FATA,<a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> thinks of our Army also dealing with terrorism same way <br>Someone educate him,There’s no genocide,no Airforce,Artillery used anywhere here.<br>Magnitude of Pak proxy war notwithstanding <a href="https://t.co/l1f06ZjaTG">https://t.co/l1f06ZjaTG</a></p>— Imtiyaz Hussain (@hussain_imtiyaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/hussain_imtiyaz/status/1169157166307119104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not sure if he is directly blaming the army though but my guess is he is talking about this video
Imagine the kind of popularity he would have got if he ordered an enquiry about extra judicial killings and human rights violations committed by pakistani army, his stance regarding the human rights violence happening in kashmir would have received much wider acceptance even from section of Indians and it would have been hard for indian government to find excuses to reject his proposals to solve kashmir issue.
 
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Like some posters on this forum, Imran also used to be a naive Pakistani who considered military as source of all evil and India was perceived as peaceful dove who never interferes in Pakistan. Now after becoming PM, IK visits ISI headquarters almost every month and the evidence he saw there must have changed his mind. As a result, we see him regularly calling out India for its mischief which is a refreshing change from the sell out leaders of the past. Still IK is wrong in believing that only after Modi did India started indulging in subversive activities inside Pakistan, infact, they have been at it since long.

Some Pakistanis/expats still naively think that IK is cleverly biding his time and not taking on the military. The fact is there is no reason to take on the military. IK, in a recent interview, was asked a similar question to which his reply was, "tell me a single thing which was in PTI's election manifesto and is not being implemented upon due to resistance from military ?" the anchor had no answer.
I see IK's relationship with the military only strengthening with time.

Having said this, I think only tweeting against India and exposing them on different forums is bare minimum and not the solution in itself. Yes we should look to improve our internal security, pacify grievances, remove tribal Balochs and Pakhtuns from stranglehold of sardars etc but even if we somehow manage to do all that, complete peace will never be established. That is because India has nothing to lose for whatever they do in Pakistan. As long as there are no repercussions for them, we will keep on witnessing such incidents in our country no matter how much we fence our borders and tighten our internal security.

In a few years time, IK and the military leadership will realize that all this shor sharaba at international forums can only achieve so much and the real solution lies in making India pay for their acts in Pakistan by sending our own kulbhushans into India:haider.
 
Like some posters on this forum, Imran also used to be a naive Pakistani who considered military as source of all evil and India was perceived as peaceful dove who never interferes in Pakistan. Now after becoming PM, IK visits ISI headquarters almost every month and the evidence he saw there must have changed his mind. As a result, we see him regularly calling out India for its mischief which is a refreshing change from the sell out leaders of the past. Still IK is wrong in believing that only after Modi did India started indulging in subversive activities inside Pakistan, infact, they have been at it since long.

Some Pakistanis/expats still naively think that IK is cleverly biding his time and not taking on the military. The fact is there is no reason to take on the military. IK, in a recent interview, was asked a similar question to which his reply was, "tell me a single thing which was in PTI's election manifesto and is not being implemented upon due to resistance from military ?" the anchor had no answer.
I see IK's relationship with the military only strengthening with time.

Having said this, I think only tweeting against India and exposing them on different forums is bare minimum and not the solution in itself. Yes we should look to improve our internal security, pacify grievances, remove tribal Balochs and Pakhtuns from stranglehold of sardars etc but even if we somehow manage to do all that, complete peace will never be established. That is because India has nothing to lose for whatever they do in Pakistan. As long as there are no repercussions for them, we will keep on witnessing such incidents in our country no matter how much we fence our borders and tighten our internal security.

In a few years time, IK and the military leadership will realize that all this shor sharaba at international forums can only achieve so much and the real solution lies in making India pay for their acts in Pakistan by sending our own kulbhushans into India:haider.

Will Imran Khan share all this evidence with the world and the UN regarding India’s involvement in terror in Pakistan so that all of us can spit on India’s face?

If Pakistan has such strong evidence, why does nobody take out Kashmir narrative seriously? Why do we face humiliation Wherever we go?
 
Will Imran Khan share all this evidence with the world and the UN regarding India’s involvement in terror in Pakistan so that all of us can spit on India’s face?

If Pakistan has such strong evidence, why does nobody take out Kashmir narrative seriously? Why do we face humiliation Wherever we go?

The issue being is that evidence in Pakistan does not actually mean evidence that we all know it as around the world. It is easy to accuse anyone and everyone left right and centre but to provide hardcore evidence against someone is not as easy as it may sound.

This is why in Pakistan everyday someone is accusing somebody of something as it just so easy to do so without having to prove it.
 
Will Imran Khan share all this evidence with the world and the UN regarding India’s involvement in terror in Pakistan so that all of us can spit on India’s face?

If Pakistan has such strong evidence, why does nobody take out Kashmir narrative seriously? Why do we face humiliation Wherever we go?

You mean like a catching Yadav in Balochistan
 
Will Imran Khan share all this evidence with the world and the UN regarding India’s involvement in terror in Pakistan so that all of us can spit on India’s face?

If Pakistan has such strong evidence, why does nobody take out Kashmir narrative seriously? Why do we face humiliation Wherever we go?

Pakistan have shared some evidence. Whether the 'world' believes it or not depends on multiple factors. It is naive to consider 'world' approval as benchmark for authenticity of evidence.

While evidence sharing is good for perception building against India, we should ensure that India faces real consequences for their activities in Pakistan. Only then will countries take us seriously as you desperately want them to. That is how the world works.
 
Pakistan have shared some evidence. Whether the 'world' believes it or not depends on multiple factors. It is naive to consider 'world' approval as benchmark for authenticity of evidence.

While evidence sharing is good for perception building against India, we should ensure that India faces real consequences for their activities in Pakistan. Only then will countries take us seriously as you desperately want them to. That is how the world works.

Your post does not answer my main pressing questions.

No. That is certainly not how the world works. The world works on evidence and not tweets blabbing. Pakistan has ZERO evidence! Hence, the worldwide humiliation.
 
Your post does not answer my main pressing questions.

No. That is certainly not how the world works. The world works on evidence and not tweets blabbing. Pakistan has ZERO evidence! Hence, the worldwide humiliation.

Re read my post. I have answered your 'pressing' questions.
Perhaps, you have already formulated answers to your questions in your mind and want me to repeat them.

If you genuinely believe that diplomatic ties and geopolitics is solely based upon 'evidence' then we have nothing more to discuss.
 
Re read my post. I have answered your 'pressing' questions.
Perhaps, you have already formulated answers to your questions in your mind and want me to repeat them.

If you genuinely believe that diplomatic ties and geopolitics is solely based upon 'evidence' then we have nothing more to discuss.

What are you saying?That is one of the worst posts I have seen on PP. Everything is based on evidence. If I accuse you of something, I need to have evidence.

Is it hard to understand?
 
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What are you saying?That is one of the worst posts I have seen on PP. Everything is based on evidence. If I accuse you of something, I need to have evidence.

Is it hard to understand?

I'll have to stoop to your level now.
Kulbhushan yadav, what was he doing in Balochistan ?
 
In the video, PM Imm tells a gathering of Hazaras after an attack that if he comes to power, he would NEVER blame terror attacks against their community on foreign forces.

This actually just shows how sincere he was. In 2012 he was a green wannabe politician on the outside looking in. Now he's in the hot seat, he's getting information first hand from the intelligence services about exactly who's hand is behind the terror attacks. The Indian border raid must have opened his eyes as to just what depths the enemy will sink to destabilise Pakistan.
 
Will Imran Khan share all this evidence with the world and the UN regarding India’s involvement in terror in Pakistan so that all of us can spit on India’s face?

If Pakistan has such strong evidence, why does nobody take out Kashmir narrative seriously? Why do we face humiliation Wherever we go?

Independent journalists do take the Kashmir narrative seriously. Depends what you mean by the world. If "the world" decides China is as big a threat as the USSR once was, you may well see the day that jihadi terror groups once again become lauded resistance forces against the evil communist empire.
 
Also would tie in with common sense analysis which would suggest that stoking sectarian conflict in Pakistan would be far more in line with Indian policy than Pakistan's. The two biggest "Pakistani" defenders of India on PP also post according to these rules of engagement.

PK gets no benefit at all from 2 of its major groups at each others throat. This is part of long term plan by India to destabilise PK and its hardly a secret. The guy that is most vocal keeps avoiding Yadav, i wonder why?
 
PK gets no benefit at all from 2 of its major groups at each others throat. This is part of long term plan by India to destabilise PK and its hardly a secret. The guy that is most vocal keeps avoiding Yadav, i wonder why?

Bro this guy thinks Shias are having a genocide against them despite only 0.03 of Shias being killed out of their population. Despite Shias having massive power throughout our history, even now ruling a province

Yet on Kashmir where thousands have been killed, 10 times more than Shias, where even now the intl community condemns it, I mean Kashmir where Muslims are butchered even has more of a case of a genocide but why is this ***** silent there?

Are blacks in the US also facing a genocide as they are also killed due to their race. Why is the troll silent there?
I am absolutely sick of these two faced hypocrites.
 
Bro this guy thinks Shias are having a genocide against them despite only 0.03 of Shias being killed out of their population. Despite Shias having massive power throughout our history, even now ruling a province

Yet on Kashmir where thousands have been killed, 10 times more than Shias, where even now the intl community condemns it, I mean Kashmir where Muslims are butchered even has more of a case of a genocide but why is this ***** silent there?

Are blacks in the US also facing a genocide as they are also killed due to their race. Why is the troll silent there?
I am absolutely sick of these two faced hypocrites.

I called him out on Yadav. This is the Srivastava group at their worst
 
I know it is hurting to see your blue-eyed boy Immy saying that the establishment backs anti-Shia militants. Well, once upon a time, Immy was honest. I know supporters of Immy have gone into hiding.
 
Will Imran Khan share all this evidence with the world and the UN regarding India’s involvement in terror in Pakistan so that all of us can spit on India’s face?

If Pakistan has such strong evidence, why does nobody take out Kashmir narrative seriously? Why do we face humiliation Wherever we go?

I shall try to answer your two questions here:

1) so why doesnt IK share teh evidence with the "world"?
Firstly we must establish who the "world" is. If you are saying the UN then it has been shared with the key members of the security council, meaning Russia,China,France,the UK and the US. plus all of the non permanent members. It has also been shared with our key allies in Saudi, Turkey and China. I wouldnt be surprised if Iran has also been given evidence.

If by world you mean us, the keyboard warriors, then I suggest you listen to the press conference and go through the information. Many journalists within pakistan have done so and if you go on the public interwebs you can find plenty of analysis.

2) so if we have such strong evidence why isnt anyone takin us seriously on our security needs and kashmir?

well lets look at who isnt taking us seriously. The three permanent members of the security council being france,US and UK. Russia these days tends to abstain, while China supports us. Now why dont the western three support our narrative?

well if they were to support our Kashmir narrative that would mean upsetting a massive economic market for them. They would also potentially lose their bulwark against the Asian century.

Now you may have noticed I didnt say the bulwark against China. And there is a reason for that. The "west" needs India to ensure they have a foothold in the future power game that will materialise over the eurasian trade routes that are being re-established. You see for two hundred years the west have managed to ensure they monopolise world trade and have helped shut down the traditional routes used by Asia. With the rise of China and south east asia , these routes are reopening and they are a direct threat to the power of the "west". Hence as is their consistent policy over the years they need a "station" for disruption. That "station" in asia is India. hence why any move by Pakistan on Kashmir will be blocked by these three as it harms their "station", or their pivot.

Courting India allows all three to maintain a presence in one of the key strategic areas of the world and near the key trade routes. Their aim is to ensure the Indian market remains open for them, india never fully leverages its trade routes with its neighbours and the overhang of MAD remains live. Hence why you will notice them playing both sides. They will help us as well as helping India. For example France supplies offensive weapons to India in the form of fighter jets and missiles, but embargoes these for us. However they help maintain and supply our defensive weapons that help neutralise India's offensive capabilities. e.g. the Falcon EW system and other avionics for other defensive measures.

The US does the same.

So to summarise, Pakistan is in state that is sitting on a fault line of trade routes and economic "veins" that can cause major upheavals, therefore the situation is always as we see it.
 
I shall try to answer your two questions here:

1) so why doesnt IK share teh evidence with the "world"?
Firstly we must establish who the "world" is. If you are saying the UN then it has been shared with the key members of the security council, meaning Russia,China,France,the UK and the US. plus all of the non permanent members. It has also been shared with our key allies in Saudi, Turkey and China. I wouldnt be surprised if Iran has also been given evidence.

If by world you mean us, the keyboard warriors, then I suggest you listen to the press conference and go through the information. Many journalists within pakistan have done so and if you go on the public interwebs you can find plenty of analysis.

2) so if we have such strong evidence why isnt anyone takin us seriously on our security needs and kashmir?

well lets look at who isnt taking us seriously. The three permanent members of the security council being france,US and UK. Russia these days tends to abstain, while China supports us. Now why dont the western three support our narrative?

well if they were to support our Kashmir narrative that would mean upsetting a massive economic market for them. They would also potentially lose their bulwark against the Asian century.

Now you may have noticed I didnt say the bulwark against China. And there is a reason for that. The "west" needs India to ensure they have a foothold in the future power game that will materialise over the eurasian trade routes that are being re-established. You see for two hundred years the west have managed to ensure they monopolise world trade and have helped shut down the traditional routes used by Asia. With the rise of China and south east asia , these routes are reopening and they are a direct threat to the power of the "west". Hence as is their consistent policy over the years they need a "station" for disruption. That "station" in asia is India. hence why any move by Pakistan on Kashmir will be blocked by these three as it harms their "station", or their pivot.

Courting India allows all three to maintain a presence in one of the key strategic areas of the world and near the key trade routes. Their aim is to ensure the Indian market remains open for them, india never fully leverages its trade routes with its neighbours and the overhang of MAD remains live. Hence why you will notice them playing both sides. They will help us as well as helping India. For example France supplies offensive weapons to India in the form of fighter jets and missiles, but embargoes these for us. However they help maintain and supply our defensive weapons that help neutralise India's offensive capabilities. e.g. the Falcon EW system and other avionics for other defensive measures.

The US does the same.

So to summarise, Pakistan is in state that is sitting on a fault line of trade routes and economic "veins" that can cause major upheavals, therefore the situation is always as we see it.

First, there is no compelling evidence. If there was, Pakistan would not waste a second and expose India’s ugly face. After all, India is our number one enemy. Every year, we spend billions of dollar in order to match India’s military hardware. We spend all our efforts to one-up India. And no, Pakistan has not shared any true evidence and even if did, it was a joke.

Just think about it. Our military spends billions to the media to brainwash us into believing that India is the biggest and only threat to Pakistan. If there was evidence of India’s involvement in terror in Pakistan, our military would air such evidence on TV 24/7.

Second, you confirmed my point that nobody takes Pakistan’s Kashmir narrative seriously.
 
First, there is no compelling evidence. If there was, Pakistan would not waste a second and expose India’s ugly face. After all, India is our number one enemy. Every year, we spend billions of dollar in order to match India’s military hardware. We spend all our efforts to one-up India. And no, Pakistan has not shared any true evidence and even if did, it was a joke.

Just think about it. Our military spends billions to the media to brainwash us into believing that India is the biggest and only threat to Pakistan. If there was evidence of India’s involvement in terror in Pakistan, our military would air such evidence on TV 24/7.

Second, you confirmed my point that nobody takes Pakistan’s Kashmir narrative seriously.

Sorry but there is compelling evidence hence why you dont hear "do more". i'm not sure whats not compelling about the evidence they shared? They have shared even more details with the aforementioned nations. The evidence has money trails, video recording, audio recordings. Names of key contacts who have subsequently been killed or their plans foiled. If this evidence wasnt compelling we wouldnt have managed to foil so many attacks.

Im sorry but India is our biggest enemy. Their own statements, their behaviour and their agenda has been so completely exposed only a blind person would think otherwise. this is a nation that has vowed to kill our people openly in public. They have killed our children openly and brazenly using proxies who we have killed or captured and then traced. They have attacked us for no reason as recently as two years ago using a very flimsly excuse. i dont know what more evidence you need.

I think after I have presented my case to you in a very civilised manner, your subsequent brainless, jahil response just elads me to believe it doesnt matter what anyone says to you. You have decided your position no matter what. Evidence be damned.

For you India is our lovely friend and "the boys" are the enemy. So what does that make you?

Finally with regards to the Kashmir issue, its not about taking us seriously, they take us very seriously when we talk about Kashmir hence there hasnt been a major war since 99. They just dont want the status quo to change too drastically. I cant guarantee you if India tries another misadventure you will see how seriously the world takes it. Our response will ensure this. Are you aware that Modi was ready to launch a missile attack on Pakistan? are you aware that the US made sure the Indians did no such stupid thing? and the Russians? The powers take the confrontation very seriously but the ideal situation for them is the current situation..

Now go and do some research and reading or are you afraid that you may have to change your single minded opinion?
 
Sorry but there is compelling evidence hence why you dont hear "do more". i'm not sure whats not compelling about the evidence they shared? They have shared even more details with the aforementioned nations. The evidence has money trails, video recording, audio recordings. Names of key contacts who have subsequently been killed or their plans foiled. If this evidence wasnt compelling we wouldnt have managed to foil so many attacks.

Im sorry but India is our biggest enemy. Their own statements, their behaviour and their agenda has been so completely exposed only a blind person would think otherwise. this is a nation that has vowed to kill our people openly in public. They have killed our children openly and brazenly using proxies who we have killed or captured and then traced. They have attacked us for no reason as recently as two years ago using a very flimsly excuse. i dont know what more evidence you need.

I think after I have presented my case to you in a very civilised manner, your subsequent brainless, jahil response just elads me to believe it doesnt matter what anyone says to you. You have decided your position no matter what. Evidence be damned.

For you India is our lovely friend and "the boys" are the enemy. So what does that make you?

Finally with regards to the Kashmir issue, its not about taking us seriously, they take us very seriously when we talk about Kashmir hence there hasnt been a major war since 99. They just dont want the status quo to change too drastically. I cant guarantee you if India tries another misadventure you will see how seriously the world takes it. Our response will ensure this. Are you aware that Modi was ready to launch a missile attack on Pakistan? are you aware that the US made sure the Indians did no such stupid thing? and the Russians? The powers take the confrontation very seriously but the ideal situation for them is the current situation..

Now go and do some research and reading or are you afraid that you may have to change your single minded opinion?

Don't worry he will come up with more nonsensical one liners or pointless strawman **.
 
Sorry but there is compelling evidence hence why you dont hear "do more". i'm not sure whats not compelling about the evidence they shared? They have shared even more details with the aforementioned nations. The evidence has money trails, video recording, audio recordings. Names of key contacts who have subsequently been killed or their plans foiled. If this evidence wasnt compelling we wouldnt have managed to foil so many attacks.

Im sorry but India is our biggest enemy. Their own statements, their behaviour and their agenda has been so completely exposed only a blind person would think otherwise. this is a nation that has vowed to kill our people openly in public. They have killed our children openly and brazenly using proxies who we have killed or captured and then traced. They have attacked us for no reason as recently as two years ago using a very flimsly excuse. i dont know what more evidence you need.

I think after I have presented my case to you in a very civilised manner, your subsequent brainless, jahil response just elads me to believe it doesnt matter what anyone says to you. You have decided your position no matter what. Evidence be damned.

For you India is our lovely friend and "the boys" are the enemy. So what does that make you?

Finally with regards to the Kashmir issue, its not about taking us seriously, they take us very seriously when we talk about Kashmir hence there hasnt been a major war since 99. They just dont want the status quo to change too drastically. I cant guarantee you if India tries another misadventure you will see how seriously the world takes it. Our response will ensure this. Are you aware that Modi was ready to launch a missile attack on Pakistan? are you aware that the US made sure the Indians did no such stupid thing? and the Russians? The powers take the confrontation very seriously but the ideal situation for them is the current situation..

Now go and do some research and reading or are you afraid that you may have to change your single minded opinion?

You are just wasting your time with him like I did. In response to whole paragraphs, he usually comes up with rants and emotional rhetoric.

Bewal Express got it right. Single line response is all they deserve if any.
 
You are just wasting your time with him like I did. In response to whole paragraphs, he usually comes up with rants and emotional rhetoric.

Bewal Express got it right. Single line response is all they deserve if any.

I noticed..i think i will follow that policy from now on..a detailed response seems to heavy for the poor guy..
 
I noticed..i think i will follow that policy from now on..a detailed response seems to heavy for the poor guy..

It's a waste of time trying to convince paid Indian shills who are probably earning 15R/S for every anti-Pak post they put up ( and I'm not referring to any one particular person before anyone starts complaining about personal remarks). But on the other hand the detail of your post is well appreciated by neutral observers outside of the subcontinent so don't think it's not appreciated. Sterling work sir!
 
In the video, PM Imm tells a gathering of Hazaras after an attack that if he comes to power, he would NEVER blame terror attacks against their community on foreign forces.

I don’t see anything wrong in the statement. “Bahir se ayein ya andar se ayein, hum kharre hokey dhekaye Gein hazara community ke Sath”.
Where did he blame army? Are we still seeing the same video ?

PMIK stance is the same still, he stands with hazara, only difference now is we have Daeesh, which is a fairly new problem in Pakistan (and Afghanistan).
 
First, there is no compelling evidence. If there was, Pakistan would not waste a second and expose India’s ugly face. After all, India is our number one enemy. Every year, we spend billions of dollar in order to match India’s military hardware. We spend all our efforts to one-up India. And no, Pakistan has not shared any true evidence and even if did, it was a joke.

Just think about it. Our military spends billions to the media to brainwash us into believing that India is the biggest and only threat to Pakistan. If there was evidence of India’s involvement in terror in Pakistan, our military would air such evidence on TV 24/7.

Second, you confirmed my point that nobody takes Pakistan’s Kashmir narrative seriously.
No compelling evidence ? Well check with UN, the dossier was sent to them by Pakistan. Also check EU disinfo lab. I will take their word over paid RSS supporter like you.
 
I don’t see anything wrong in the statement. “Bahir se ayein ya andar se ayein, hum kharre hokey dhekaye Gein hazara community ke Sath”.
Where did he blame army? Are we still seeing the same video ?

PMIK stance is the same still, he stands with hazara, only difference now is we have Daeesh, which is a fairly new problem in Pakistan (and Afghanistan).

You have conveniently skipped watching the other video. Please watch.

Also, in the video you watched, IK says he would never blame other for Pakistan’s terror problem. Hence, IK is a massive liar.
 
I don’t see anything wrong in the statement. “Bahir se ayein ya andar se ayein, hum kharre hokey dhekaye Gein hazara community ke Sath”.
Where did he blame army? Are we still seeing the same video ?

PMIK stance is the same still, he stands with hazara, only difference now is we have Daeesh, which is a fairly new problem in Pakistan (and Afghanistan).

He cares about Hazaras that is why instead of meeting the victim families, the spends the meeting Ertugral cast! Hazaras have been protesting by placing their deads in the middle of a road in sub-zero temperature for 5 days. IK did not even bother meeting them.
 
Sorry but there is compelling evidence hence why you dont hear "do more". i'm not sure whats not compelling about the evidence they shared? They have shared even more details with the aforementioned nations. The evidence has money trails, video recording, audio recordings. Names of key contacts who have subsequently been killed or their plans foiled. If this evidence wasnt compelling we wouldnt have managed to foil so many attacks.

Im sorry but India is our biggest enemy. Their own statements, their behaviour and their agenda has been so completely exposed only a blind person would think otherwise. this is a nation that has vowed to kill our people openly in public. They have killed our children openly and brazenly using proxies who we have killed or captured and then traced. They have attacked us for no reason as recently as two years ago using a very flimsly excuse. i dont know what more evidence you need.

I think after I have presented my case to you in a very civilised manner, your subsequent brainless, jahil response just elads me to believe it doesnt matter what anyone says to you. You have decided your position no matter what. Evidence be damned.

For you India is our lovely friend and "the boys" are the enemy. So what does that make you?

Finally with regards to the Kashmir issue, its not about taking us seriously, they take us very seriously when we talk about Kashmir hence there hasnt been a major war since 99. They just dont want the status quo to change too drastically. I cant guarantee you if India tries another misadventure you will see how seriously the world takes it. Our response will ensure this. Are you aware that Modi was ready to launch a missile attack on Pakistan? are you aware that the US made sure the Indians did no such stupid thing? and the Russians? The powers take the confrontation very seriously but the ideal situation for them is the current situation..

Now go and do some research and reading or are you afraid that you may have to change your single minded opinion?

First, we have been hearing of all this about evil India but yet to see any evidence. We feed the Boys at least $12 billion every year just to tell us, after every terror attack, that India is behind it. I could do the same for free.

Second, when did this happen? APS and India?

Third, Pakistan always get snubbed by countries regarding its Kashmir narrative. Also, all wars were started by Pakistan. India did not initiate any wars.
 
He cares about Hazaras that is why instead of meeting the victim families, the spends the meeting Ertugral cast! Hazaras have been protesting by placing their deads in the middle of a road in sub-zero temperature for 5 days. IK did not even bother meeting them.

Seems like a very odd thing to do since burying the dead as soon as possible is considered a paramount ritual of Islam. Is protesting for Imran Khan's attendance seen as more important than carrying out the funeral rites for loved ones?
 
As I have said many times, Imran is the only politician who does not need opposition.

His own past self and his own past statements are his biggest opposition.
 
He cares about Hazaras that is why instead of meeting the victim families, the spends the meeting Ertugral cast! Hazaras have been protesting by placing their deads in the middle of a road in sub-zero temperature for 5 days. IK did not even bother meeting them.

As PMIK has said before, no PM or leader in history would go somewhere when a certain community asks them to come. That in other words is called blackmailing, specially considering that the govt has ensured all demands of Hazara community is met. Please take off your RSS cap and think from a neutral perspective. Your posts has been quite pathetic lately and it is so obvious that you and the other clown whose name starts with M keeps on harping about non-sensical issues.

In regards to terorrism, yes, we are still suffering through the problematic times since the first afghan war. However there is no denying that these groups are being used by your masters in India as well. There is quite a lot of evidence, just google it. Also there is evidence on fake media reports from you and your masters in RSS india (maybe you are part of srivastav group). Either way, you know what I am talking about.
 
As PMIK has said before, no PM or leader in history would go somewhere when a certain community asks them to come. That in other words is called blackmailing, specially considering that the govt has ensured all demands of Hazara community is met. Please take off your RSS cap and think from a neutral perspective. Your posts has been quite pathetic lately and it is so obvious that you and the other clown whose name starts with M keeps on harping about non-sensical issues.

In regards to terorrism, yes, we are still suffering through the problematic times since the first afghan war. However there is no denying that these groups are being used by your masters in India as well. There is quite a lot of evidence, just google it. Also there is evidence on fake media reports from you and your masters in RSS india (maybe you are part of srivastav group). Either way, you know what I am talking about.

Why did the TLP blackmailed him so many times and he accepted all their demands? Why was he blackmailed by the oil, gas and sugar mafia? The fact is, since he became the PM, he has been blackmailed by so many groups and he has ALWAYS bent over.
 
Why did the TLP blackmailed him so many times and he accepted all their demands? Why was he blackmailed by the oil, gas and sugar mafia? The fact is, since he became the PM, he has been blackmailed by so many groups and he has ALWAYS bent over.

This is just peurile form of discussion. We can say Imran has bent over for the Hazaras as well, as he has agreed to all of their demands as soon as they take the bodies of supposed loved ones off the roads and get them buried as per Islamic custom.

Perhaps he will " bend over" for Indian PM as well since as you claim, he ALWAYS bends over. Is that what is perhaps frustrating to supporters of Modi's India? How come he bends over for everyone else, but not to bharat?
 
Why did the TLP blackmailed him so many times and he accepted all their demands? Why was he blackmailed by the oil, gas and sugar mafia? The fact is, since he became the PM, he has been blackmailed by so many groups and he has ALWAYS bent over.
When PMIK doesn’t listen he is insensitive, when he listen he bends over.

MAKE UP YOU MIND.
 
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As PMIK has said before, no PM or leader in history would go somewhere when a certain community asks them to come. That in other words is called blackmailing, specially considering that the govt has ensured all demands of Hazara community is met. Please take off your RSS cap and think from a neutral perspective. Your posts has been quite pathetic lately and it is so obvious that you and the other clown whose name starts with M keeps on harping about non-sensical issues.

In regards to terorrism, yes, we are still suffering through the problematic times since the first afghan war. However there is no denying that these groups are being used by your masters in India as well. There is quite a lot of evidence, just google it. Also there is evidence on fake media reports from you and your masters in RSS india (maybe you are part of srivastav group). Either way, you know what I am talking about.

Again, your own saviour said Pakistani military backs anti-Shia militant outfits. Regarding blackmailing, read my posts of how IK has been blackmailed since he became the PM.

I could not find any evidence that India was backing LeJ, ISIS or Sepah-e-Sahaba. In fact, these groups hate Hindus as much as they hate Shias.

India maybe backing BLA and that is all! India is not backing the TTP, LeJ or other Islamic outfits.

By the way, I could not find any evidence.
 
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