PM Imran Khan reaches US to speak about Kashmir, contemporary issues at UNGA, other forums

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister Imran Khan has arrived in New York on a weeklong visit to attend the UN General Assembly Session.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMIKinUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PMIKinUS</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA</a> <a href="https://t.co/S5cVjjodZe">pic.twitter.com/S5cVjjodZe</a></p>— Govt of Pakistan (@pid_gov) <a href="https://twitter.com/pid_gov/status/1175437804387602432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Prime Minister Imran Khan has reached the United States to highlight the situation in occupied Kashmir at the UN General Assembly session and other forums. He had left for the US after wrapping up a visit to Saudi Arabia.

According to the Foreign Office (FO), PM Imran will lead the Pakistan delegation during the high-profile week of the UN General Assembly Session in New York from September 21-27.

"The prime minister will deliver his address to the UNGA on Friday, September 27, and share Pakistan’s perspective and position on the Jammu and Kashmir dispute and its current human rights and related dimensions," an FO statement said, adding that the premier will also articulate Pakistan’s perspective on some key contemporary issues.

"Overall, the centrality of the Jammu and Kashmir dispute would be emphasised through myriad engagements," it added.

The FO said the prime minister would hold several bilateral meetings with his counterparts from various regions and participate in high-level UN summits on climate change, sustainable development, universal health coverage and financing for development.

"The prime minister will also attend and speak at side events co-hosted by Pakistan and Turkey on countering hate speech, and on environmental protection and poverty alleviation co-hosted by Malaysia and Pakistan," read the statement.

"A trilateral summit meeting of Pakistan, Malaysia and Turkey will be held on the General Assembly sidelines," it added.

According to the FO, the premier will also interact with a cross-section of international media outlets and hold meetings with editorial boards.

"The prime minister’s speaking engagements at leading think-tanks and meetings with heads of major international human rights organisations are also envisaged," the FO said.

Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi will also attend the UNGA session, interact with his counterparts from various countries, and address important ministerial meetings especially the OIC Contact Group on Jammu and Kashmir.

During the premier's visit to Saudi Arabia this week, he apprised King Salman bin Abdulaziz and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman of the latest developments in India-occupied Jammu and Kashmir.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1506326/p...hmir-contemporary-issues-at-unga-other-forums

 

[Varun]

Trump to meet Imran Khan on Sept. 23, PM Modi on Sept. 24 in New York

Both the meetings with the leaders of India and Pakistan would be held in New York on the sidelines of the 74th session of the U.N. General Assembly.
U.S. President Donald Trump will meet Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on September 23, a day after he joins Prime Minister Narendra Modi for the mega “Howdy Modi” event in Houston and will again hold a meeting with Prime Minister Modi in New York on September 24, a senior official has said.

Both the meetings with the leaders of India and Pakistan would be held in New York on the sidelines of the 74th session of the U.N. General Assembly, a senior administration official told reporters on Friday in a preview of Trump’s engagements in the Big Apple next week.

Trump is expected to arrive in New York on Sunday night after his participation with Modi at the “Howdy Modi” event in Houston where the two leaders will address over 50,000 Indian-Americans.

The U.S. president will then travel to Ohio where he will be joined by Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

'Howdy Modi' event
“President Donald J. Trump will be travelling to Houston for ‘Howdy Modi: Shared Dreams Bright Futures’ event. That will be the day wherein he will travel on to Ohio where he will be joined by Prime Minister Morrison of Australia where they will visit Pratt industry and celebrate US economic relationship with Australia,” the official said.

On Monday (September 23), the first day of his stay in New York on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly session, Trump’s first event will be the global call to protect religious freedom, the official said, describing it as a key event.

“After that the President is scheduled to meet with the following leaders. Prime Minister Khan of Pakistan, President (Andrzej Sebastian) Duda of Poland, Prime Minister (Jacinda) Arden of New Zealand, Prime Minister Lee (Hsien Loong) from Singapore, President al Sisi of Egypt and President Moon of S Korea,” said the official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Bilateral meetings
On Tuesday (September 24), Mr. Trump will deliver his address to the U.N. General Assembly. After that, he will hold a number of bilateral meetings.

“Prime Minister (Boris) Johnson of United Kingdom, Prime Minister Modi of India, the UN Secretary General,” the official said, adding that the president will also meet his Iraqi counterpart and end the day with a diplomatic reception.

Mr. Modi and Mr. Trump would be meeting for the fourth time in as many months. The meeting in New York is expected to set the tone of bilateral relationship between the two countries over the next few years.

The two leaders are likely to discuss a range of bilateral, regional and global issues, including efforts to address the growing bilateral trade disputes, potential defence and energy deals and peace process in Afghanistan.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...di-on-sept-24-in-new-york/article29475083.ece

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[MenInG]

Prime Minister Imran Khan, who is in New York to attend the 74th session of the United Nations General Assembly, on Saturday met with the founder the Kashmir Study Group Farooq Kathwari.

The premier asked Kathwari to continue informing the world about India's illegal occupation and human rights violations in occupied Kashmir so that they could see the real face of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government, said a press release by the PM's media team.

Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi Adviser to Prime Minister for Commerce, Textile, Industries, Production and Investment Abdul Razzak Dawood, Special Assistant to the Prime Minister Naeemul Haque, Pakistan’s permanent representative to the United Nations Ambassador Maleeha Lodhi, Pakistan's US ambassador Asad Majeed Khan and other senior officials took part in the meeting.

Prime Minister Imran is scheduled to address the UN General Assembly on September 27. He has already announced that he will highlight the Kashmir issue in his address, exposing the ethical and legal bankruptcy of India’s August 5 annexation of occupied Kashmir.

The prime minister arrived in New York over the weekend, giving him the time to consult with Pakistani diplomats and prominent members of the Pakistani American community before meeting world leaders.

Ambassador Lodhi said that this a "mission Kashmir" for the prime minister and for Pakistan.

On Monday, Prime Minister Imran is expected to meet with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson. His first official engagement at the UN is a meeting with China's Vice President Wang Qishan.

The same day, the premier will also meet US President Donald Trump, in what is expected to be the first of his two meetings with the American leader.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1506676/pm-imran-meets-founder-of-kashmir-study-group-in-new-york

 

[The Viper]

PM Imran meets US envoy Zalmay Khalilzad in New York

Prime Minister Imran Khan, who is in New York to attend the 74th session of the United Nations General Assembly, on Sunday met with the United States special envoy for Afghan peace Zalmay Khalilzad.

Earlier, the premier met Secretary General of Amnesty International Kumi Naidoo and discussed the worsening human rights situation in occupied Kashmir with him.

"Kumi Naidoo, Secretary General of Amnesty International , called on the PM and discussed worsening human rights situation in IOJ&K as a result of an excruciating clampdown by Indian occupying authorities," read a tweet by the Foreign Office.

On Saturday the premier had met with the founder the Kashmir Study Group Farooq Kathwari.

The premier had asked Kathwari to continue informing the world about India's illegal occupation and human rights violations in occupied Kashmir so that they could see the real face of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government, said a press release by the PM's media team.

Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi Adviser to Prime Minister for Commerce, Textile, Industries, Production and Investment Abdul Razzak Dawood, Special Assistant to the Prime Minister Naeemul Haque, Pakistan’s permanent representative to the United Nations Ambassador Maleeha Lodhi, Pakistan's US ambassador Asad Majeed Khan and other senior officials took part in the meeting.

The prime minister is expected to hold multiple meetings with notable US lawmakers, as well as representatives from various organisations today.

According to the PM's media team, he will hold separate meetings with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and US Republican Senator Lindsey Graham.

A meeting with the president of the International Committee of the Red Cross, Peter Maurer, is also expected.

Besides the above, meetings with the CEO of Uber, a delegation of Kashmiri leaders and a group of Sikh community members are also scheduled.

Prime Minister Imran is due to address the UN General Assembly on September 27. He has already announced that he will highlight the Kashmir issue in his address, exposing the ethical and legal bankruptcy of India’s August 5 annexation of occupied Kashmir.

The prime minister arrived in New York over the weekend, giving him the time to consult with Pakistani diplomats and prominent members of the Pakistani American community before meeting world leaders.

Ambassador Lodhi said that this a "mission Kashmir" for the prime minister and for Pakistan.

On Monday, Prime Minister Imran is expected to meet with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson. His first official engagement at the UN is a meeting with China's Vice President Wang Qishan.

Read: Trump, Imran to meet on 23rd, talks to focus on Kashmir

The same day, the premier will also meet US President Donald Trump, in what is expected to be the first of his two meetings with the American leader.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1506676/pm-imran-meets-us-envoy-zalmay-khalilzad-in-new-york

 

[The Viper]

PM Imran, Amnesty boss talk 'human rights, humanitarian situation' in occupied Kashmir

NEW YORK: Prime Minister Imran Khan and Amnesty International Secretary General Komi Naidoo on Sunday talked about the "dire human rights and humanitarian situation" in occupied Kashmir as the latter called upon the former.

PM Imran, who reached the United States a day prior to attend the 74th session of the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA), appreciated Amnesty International's role "in presenting the real state of human rights in the occupied territory and amplifying the voices of the Kashmiri population in a state of seven-week long lockdown" ever "since India’s illegal and unilateral actions of 5 August 2019".

According to the statement, Amnesty's work and "efforts had helped raise international community’s awareness about the continuing suffering of the Kashmiri people".

The premier expressed his gratitude to Naidoo for the fact that the British human rights NGO published a report on India's use of pellet guns and the devastating impact they had on the Kashmiri folks.

Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, who was also in the meeting, "noted that the two UN reports on Kashmir served as a strong basis for continued civil society advocacy in support of the Kashmiri people", the statement read.

Naidoo, on the other hand, briefed PM Imran on "Amnesty’s advocacy work on Kashmir including #LetKashmirSpeak", it said, adding that the Amnesty boss "updated the Prime Minister on Amnesty’s work relating to climate justice and suggested consideration of Global South advocacy by the Prime Minister on a range of climate change related issues".

On his Twitter account, Naidoo termed the discussion with PM Imran a "good meeting". He added: "Also discussed the situation in Kashmir, where both India &Pakistan must implement @UNHumanRights recommendations."

Earlier today, PM Imran arrived in New York for a week-long visit, during which he would hold several bilateral meetings with his counterparts from various countries and participate in high-level UN summits on climate change, sustainable development, universal health coverage, and financing for development.

PM Imran's visit to the US is expected to be Kashmir-centric, revolving around India's decision to revoke the special status of occupied Kashmir and the ongoing human rights abuses in the disputed territory.

Apart from FM Qureshi, Dr Hafeez Shaikh and Zulfiqar Bukhari — the adviser on finance and special assistant on overseas Pakistanis, respectively — accompanied the prime minister.

PM Imran is slated to address the UNGA 74th session on September 27. Prior to that, he would meet the heads of various states and apprise them about the Indian government’s violations of human rights in the valley.

The premier is expected to meet US President Donald Trump on Monday.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/248445-pm...ts-humanitarian-situation-in-occupied-kashmir

 

[MenInG]

NEW YORK: Prime Minister Imran Khan spent the second day of his seven-day visit to the United Nations briefing US lawmakers, scholars, human rights activists and the media on the repercussions of the Indian annexation of the disputed Kashmir valley.

The lawmakers who called on the prime minister on Sunday include the US Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Chair*man of the Senate Judiciary Committee Lindsey Graham.

Both are among the most important lawmakers on Capitol Hill and enjoy considerable influence in their parties. Senator Schumer, a New York Democrat, is known for his interest in human rights issues and can be very helpful in highlighting rights violations in held Kashmir.

Senator Graham, a Republican, is among a handful of lawmakers whom President Donald Trump consults on major issues. Recently, he was twice sent to Pakistan to solicit Islamabad’s support for the Afghan peace process.

In Washington’s diplomatic circles, Senator Graham is often credited for arranging Prime Minister Khan’s July visit to the White House that helped improve strained relations between Washington and Islamabad.

Senator Graham was also among those four US senators who wrote a letter to President Trump last week, asking him to take immediate action to end deepening humanitarian crisis in occupied Kashmir.

They asked him specifically to put pressure on Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi to lift the curfew imposed on local residents and restore telecommunication services in the disputed territory, among other steps.

Praises Amnesty’s report on held Kashmir; discusses Afghan talks with Khalilzad

President Trump has repeatedly offered to help mediate the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan but has been rebuffed by Mr Modi, who rejects external help in resolving New Delhi’s disputes with Islamabad.

US special envoy for Afghan peace process Zalmay Khalilzad also had a meeting with the prime minister.

In Washington’s diplomatic circles, it’s often acknowledged that there can never be a durable peace in Afghanistan unless relations between India and Pak*istan improve. Appar*ently, this perception is also linked to President Trump’s repeated offer to help reduce India-Pakistan tensions, particularly over Kashmir.

AI report hailed

The prime minister also met Amnesty International’s secretary general Komi Naidoo and discussed with him the dire human rights and humanitarian situation in occupied Jammu and Kashmir since India’s illegal and unilateral actions of Aug 5.

“The prime minister appreciated the lead role that Amnesty is playing in presenting the real state of human rights in the occupied territory and amplifying the voices of the Kash*miri population in a state of seven-week-long lockdown,” said a statement issued by the Pakistan Mission to the United Nations.

These efforts have helped raise international community’s awareness about the continuing suffering of the Kashmiri people.

The prime minister lauded Amnesty’s report on the use of pellet guns by India and their devastating impact on Kashmiri youth.

Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, who also attended the meeting, noted that the two UN reports on Kashmir served as a strong basis for continued civil society advocacy in support of the Kashmiri people.

Mr Naidoo briefed the prime minister on Amnesty’s advocacy work on Kashmir including the recently launched “Let-Kashmir-Speak” campaign.

Others on the prime minister’s list included David Fenton and George Soros. Mr Fenton is the chairman and founder of Fenton Communications, which promotes issue-oriented campaigns focusing on environment, public health and human rights.

Mr Soros is an American investor who still has a net worth of $8 billion even though he has donated more than $32bn to his philanthropic agency, Open Society Foundations.

Mr Khan also held meetings with Kashmiri leaders and the leaders of the Sikh community in the United States.

Later, the prime minister gave interview to various US media networks, explaining Pakistan’s concerns on India’s actions in held Kashmir.

He said that if not resolved the Kashmir dispute could lead to a nuclear conflict in South Asia, which would have disastrous consequences for the entire world.

He appealed to the international community help defuse this potentially dangerous situation.

In his meeting with Mr Khalilzad, Prime Minister Khan said that peace in Afghanistan was vital for South Asia’s stability and economic development of the entire region.

He urged all parties involved in the Afghan dispute to play their role for restoring peace to that war-ravaged country.

“Condemning the recent surge of violence in Afghanistan, the prime minister said that peace in Afghanistan is vital to advancing his government’s vision for a peaceful neighborhood and for economic development and regional stability,” said a statement issued by the Pakistan Mission.

“All parties must play their role in strengthening peace and promoting reconciliation as a shared responsibility,” the prime minister added.

Ambassador Khalilzad called on the prime minister at his hotel in New York and the two also talked about the joint efforts that

Afghanistan and Pakistan and the United States were making for bringing peace to Afghanistan.

Mr Khan appreciated Mr Khalilzad’s efforts for promoting a peaceful, political settlement in Afghanistan.

Mr Khan reminded the US envoy that Pakistan always believed that there was no military solution to the Afghan conflict.

“Pakistan would, therefore, continue to support all initiatives towards achieving a sustainable peace in Afghanistan and hoped for an early resumption of the peace process,” Mr Khan said.

Ambassador Khalilzad appreciated the PM’s support for the Afghan peace process, and said he looked forward to continue working with Pakistan for stability in Afghanistan.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1506813/pm-imran-briefs-us-legislators-about-indias-excesses

 

[MenInG]

Prime Minister Imran Khan is set to meet US President Donald Trump today in New York City ahead of the 74th session of the United Nations General Assembly opening on September 24.

The meeting — expected to take place at 10pm and reported to be the first of two between the leaders during the UN session — follows a "Howdy, Modi!" rally in Houston on Sunday in which the US president and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi shared a stage and showered each other with praise.

Trump and Imran last met in in July at the Oval office. During their first one-on-one interaction, the US president had expressed his willingness to mediate between India and Pakistan to resolve the 70-year-old Kashmir dispute.

Tensions between India and Pakistan reached a feverish pitch on August 5, when New Delhi unilaterally annexed occupied Kashmir, revoking a constitutional guarantee that gave a special status to the disputed territory. A strict lockdown and communications blackout was imposed in the region that has snapped off ordinary people's internet and mobile telephone service across much of occupied Kashmir. It has now entered its 50th day.

President Trump’s recent comments on Kashmir and India-Pakistan relations have triggered speculations about an indirect dialogue between the two South Asian neighbours during the UNGA, with Washington playing the role of a facilitator.

Last week, President Trump told reporters at a White House briefing that “a lot of progress” has been made in defusing India-Pakistan tensions and his statement has strengthened these speculations.

After it was confirmed that Trump would meet both Indian and Pakistani prime ministers before and during the UNGA, diplomatic observers in Washington said the possibility that he may use the meetings to discuss the situation in Kashmir is stronger than ever before.

'Mission Kashmir'
Prime Minister Imran, who has declared himself an ambassador of Kashmiris, spent the second day of his seven-day visit to the United Nations briefing US lawmakers, scholars, human rights activists and the media on the repercussions of the Indian annexation of the disputed Kashmir valley.

The lawmakers who called on the prime minister on Sunday included US Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Chair*man of the Senate Judiciary Committee Lindsey Graham.

Senator Graham was also among those four US senators who wrote a letter to President Trump last week, asking him to take immediate action to end deepening humanitarian crisis in occupied Kashmir.

Premier's engagements
In addition to his meeting with Trump, Prime Minister Imran on Monday will speak at an event at the think tank, Council on Foreign Relations. He will address the UN Climate Change Summit and the Summit on Universal Health Care on the same day.

The premier is also expected to meet with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson as well as with China's Vice President Wang Qishan.

On Saturday, he met with the founder the Kashmir Study Group Farooq Kathwari during which he urged Kathwari to continue informing the world about India's illegal occupation and human rights violations in occupied Kashmir so that they could see the real face of Modi's government.

On Sunday, US special envoy for Afghan peace process Zalmay Khalilzad had a meeting with the prime minister. The prime minister also met Amnesty International’s secretary general Komi Naidoo and discussed with him the dire human rights and humanitarian situation in occupied Jammu and Kashmir.

Prime Minister Imran is due to address the UN General Assembly on September 27. He has already announced that he will highlight the Kashmir issue in his address, exposing the ethical and legal bankruptcy of India’s annexation of occupied Kashmir.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1506885/pm-imran-president-trump-to-meet-in-new-york-today

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="rtl">Prime Minister Imran Khan (<a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a>) met Prime Minister UK Boris Johnson (<a href="https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BorisJohnson</a>) on the sidelines of 74th <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA</a> Session at New York today.<br><br>وزیر اعظم عمران خان اور برطانیہ کے وزیر اعظم بورس جانسن کی نیو یارک میں ملاقات. <a href="https://t.co/OKN7GO5KQe">pic.twitter.com/OKN7GO5KQe</a></p>— Prime Minister's Office, Pakistan (@PakPMO) <a href="https://twitter.com/PakPMO/status/1176122379409534976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Abdullah719]

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[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mr. Wang Yi, Foreign Minister of China calls on Prime Minister Imran Khan on the sidelines of UNGA Session at New York today.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMIKInUSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PMIKInUSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA74?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA74</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ManOfPeaceImranKhan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ManOfPeaceImranKhan</a> <a href="https://t.co/cYa1p2fWdX">pic.twitter.com/cYa1p2fWdX</a></p>— Govt of Pakistan (@pid_gov) <a href="https://twitter.com/pid_gov/status/1176154149047717891?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

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Prime Minister Imran Khan spoke at an event at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) think tank in New York on Monday.

The premier was in a conversation with Richard N. Haass, the president of CFR. He discussed the current state of US-Pakistan relations, recent developments in occupied Kashmir, and Pakistan’s relationship with India, Afghanistan, and other neighbouring countries.

The interview started with Prime Minister Imran saying that his background as a cricket star had taught him the invaluable lesson of "how to struggle" and deal with setbacks.

Asked why Pakistan repeatedly has to turn to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for financial assistance, the premier said: "The moment you have a deficit, whether it is current account or fiscal deficit, means you are not managing your economy properly [...] This inability of successive governments to manage our economy is why we keep lining up with the IMF."

He said his government had inherited "the biggest current account deficit" in Pakistan's history and "so the first year has been a real struggle."

"I am really proud to say that we have cut down this deficit almost by 70 per cent. We now have an economy which is heading in the right direction," he said.

He said when his party came into power last year, Pakistan found itself to be in probably "the worst economic situation" and it was China that came to the country's help "when we were at the rock bottom".

"We were staring at a default," the prime minister said, adding that China along with Saudi Arabia and the UAE had provided funds to beef up Pakistan's foreign exchange reserves.

He said the country now has the opportunity to get Chinese industries to relocate to Pakistan and bring in technology. "China has given us a great opportunity to lift ourselves up from where we are right now," he added.

US-Pakistan relations, Afghan war
Answering a question regarding former US defence secretary James Mattis' remark that he considered Pakistan to be "the most dangerous" among all countries he had dealt with, Prime Minister Imran said: "I do not think James Mattis fully understands why Pakistan became radicalised.

"In the 1980s, when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, Pakistan, helped by the United States, organised the resistance to the Soviets. And the resistance was organised by the Pakistani ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) training these militants who were invited from all over the Muslim world to do jihad against the Soviet Union.

"And so we created these militant groups to fight the Soviets. [...] Jihadis were heroes then. Come 1989, Soviets leave Afghanistan, the US packs up and leaves Afghanistan [...] and we were left with these groups.

"Then comes 9/11, and Pakistan again joins the US in the war on terror and now we are required to go after these groups as terrorists. They were indoctrinated that fighting foreign occupation in jihad but now when the US arrived in Afghanistan, it was supposed to be terrorism.

"So Pakistan took a real battering in this," he said, adding that Pakistan should have stayed neutral in the conflict.

"Pakistan by joining the US after 9/11 committed one of the biggest blunders," he said, noting that 70,000 Pakistanis had died in the ensuing violence and the country lost hundreds of billions in economy. "I think the Pakistani government should not have pledged what they could not deliver."

The premier said he had always stressed that there could be no military solution in Afghanistan.

To a question regarding insurgents allegedly going from Pakistan to carry out attacks in Afghanistan, Prime Minister Imran said there are some 2.7 million Afghan refugees in Pakistan and there is no actual border in the tribal region. "How do we know who is coming in and going out?" he questioned, saying Pakistan could not be expected to completely shut the border when refugees in such large numbers live there.

"I do not think it's because of Pakistan that the US has not able to succeed in Afghanistan, simply because there is a history behind it; it was never going to happen," he said.

The premier said it was "painful" for Pakistan that the peace deal that was about to be signed between the US and Afghan Taliban had collapsed. He also said his government found out about the talks breaking down through newspapers, and that the US "should have at least discussed" with Pakistan before calling off the talks.

He said he would emphasise in his meeting with US President Donald Trump that there will not be a military solution to the Afghan conflict. "For 19 years if you have not been able to succeed, you are not going to be able to succeed in another 19 years," he added.

'Every policy backed by army'
Answering a question regarding the state of civil-military relations in Pakistan, Prime Minister Imran said the country's army moved in because it was given space "due to a lack of moral authority because of corrupt governments".

He said all of his policies undertaken since he took office were part of his party's manifesto. "Every policy of my government, which was [to establish] peace with our neighbours, has been backed by the Pakistan Army," he added.

He said it was for the first time during his government that the army took a cut in the military spending.

Prime Minister Imran is on a seven-day visit to the United States to attend the 74th session of the United Nations General Assembly opening on September 24.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1506899/p...kistan-relations-and-afghan-war-at-think-tank

 

[Gabbar Singh]

creating consensus on how the world can act to stop ethnic cleansing in Kashmir by Modi.

Khan cannot even get his closest allies to admit that this so called ethnic cleansing is taking place yet he wants to create consensus around the world on how it can be stopped? After all his bold claims back home the newly appointed 'Ambassador of Kashmir' will have to go back to Pakistan with something solid otherwise there will be a lot of people feeling extremely let down and angry.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister Imran Khan meets Prime Minister UK Boris Johnson on the sidelines of 74th UNGA Session at New York today. PM Khan is apprising all world leaders about the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> issue and creating consensus on how the world can act to stop ethnic cleansing in Kashmir by Modi. <a href="https://t.co/aRtesIN1Cy">pic.twitter.com/aRtesIN1Cy</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1176110866179219456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[The streak is Alive]

Khan cannot even get his closest allies to admit that this so called ethnic cleansing is taking place yet he wants to create consensus around the world on how it can be stopped? After all his bold claims back home the newly appointed 'Ambassador of Kashmir' will have to go back to Pakistan with something solid otherwise there will be a lot of people feeling extremely let down and angry.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister Imran Khan meets Prime Minister UK Boris Johnson on the sidelines of 74th UNGA Session at New York today. PM Khan is apprising all world leaders about the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> issue and creating consensus on how the world can act to stop ethnic cleansing in Kashmir by Modi. <a href="https://t.co/aRtesIN1Cy">pic.twitter.com/aRtesIN1Cy</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1176110866179219456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Word. So far he has nothing. Trump was very clear that he'd mediate only if BOTH parties agreed. It was pretty funny to see the Pakistan journalist getting riled up at what was effectively an acknowledgement from Trump that the issue is bilateral. Imran facial expression gave away the truth.

Its UN or bust for Imran now. Curious to see if he can conjure up something.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Word. So far he has nothing. Trump was very clear that he'd mediate only if BOTH parties agreed. It was pretty funny to see the Pakistan journalist getting riled up at what was effectively an acknowledgement from Trump that the issue is bilateral. Imran facial expression gave away the truth.

Its UN or bust for Imran now. Curious to see if he can conjure up something.

word lol.

Trump also said Modi made an aggressive speech with all the people cheering and he was surprised. Even Trump thinks Modi is an extremist.

UN is just a diplomatic avenue. People are only ever free if they rise up with arms or India stops being an extremist Hindutva land.

 

[IMMY69]

Khan cannot even get his closest allies to admit that this so called ethnic cleansing is taking place yet he wants to create consensus around the world on how it can be stopped? After all his bold claims back home the newly appointed 'Ambassador of Kashmir' will have to go back to Pakistan with something solid otherwise there will be a lot of people feeling extremely let down and angry.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister Imran Khan meets Prime Minister UK Boris Johnson on the sidelines of 74th UNGA Session at New York today. PM Khan is apprising all world leaders about the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> issue and creating consensus on how the world can act to stop ethnic cleansing in Kashmir by Modi. <a href="https://t.co/aRtesIN1Cy">pic.twitter.com/aRtesIN1Cy</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1176110866179219456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It all depends upon your point of view.

One can praise him for his undying effort to highlight an issue,
Regardless of the immediate outcome and take pride in his efforts.

On the other hand someone can support an extremist government and continue supporting it no matter what the cost is, whether it is human rights violations, overseeing a worsening economy and creating an atmosphere where hate groups can flourish.

 

[Mueez]

UN or no UN.

The thing is International media is highlighting the Kashmir issue which never got this much attention.

 

[DRsohail]

UN or no UN.

The thing is International media is highlighting the Kashmir issue which never got this much attention.

And that is what Khan wants.

 

[CanadianG00se]

UN or no UN.

The thing is International media is highlighting the Kashmir issue which never got this much attention.

Getting attention is one thing, and getting support is another.

 

[IMMY69]

Getting attention is one thing, and getting support is another.

So?

 

[CanadianG00se]

So?

So?
I suppose nothing.

Cause NOTHING is exactly happening now.

 

[Mr.Q]

And that is what Khan wants.

We know he’s an attention seeker

 

[IMMY69]

So?
I suppose nothing.

Cause NOTHING is exactly happening now.

Then say nothing

 

[CanadianG00se]

Then say nothing

And how’s that going to change anything?

Your reactions sums up that nothing is going to happen on Kashmir. Time to move on.

 

[Mueez]

Getting attention is one thing, and getting support is another.

It is about changing the perception.

 

[Abdullah719]

PM Imran, Rouhani discuss bilateral ties, situation in IOK

Spoiler

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Tuesday met with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani at the sidelines of the 74th United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) session to discuss bilateral ties and the situation in Indian Occupied Kashmir (IOK).

During their one-on-one meeting, the two leaders discussed bilateral relations and developments in the region.

PM Imran underscored Islamabad’s desire to strengthen ties with its neighbouring country and build mutually beneficial cooperation in diverse areas.
He appreciated the Iranian leadership – particularly Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – for supporting Pakistan’s stance on the human rights violation in occupied Kashmir.

The premier discussed the current development in IOK after India’s illegal decision to revoke its special status that affected the peace and security of the region.

PM Imran also reiterated the importance of lifting the curfew in the occupied valley.

The two leaders agreed to fast track the implementation of the bilateral agreements made during PM Imran’s visit to Iran, earlier this year.

US President Donald Trump on Monday reiterated his offer for mediation between Pakistan and India on the Kashmir dispute but emphasised that arbitration could not be carried out unless both the parties involved welcome it.

Addressing the media alongside Prime Minister Imran Khan, the US president acknowledged that the Kashmir was a complex issue that had been going on for a long time.

He said that he had never failed as an arbitrator in the past and would be available to help if asked.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2064124/1-pm-imran-rouhani-discuss-bilateral-ties-situation-iok/

 

[Abdullah719]

Erdogan calls for dialogue for solution on Kashmir

Spoiler

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Tuesday called for dialogue for the solution of row between Pakistan and India on Kashmir.

In his address at UN General Assembly session in New York, Erdogan criticized international community for failing to pay attention to Kashmir conflict, which awaits solution for 72 years.

The president said the stability and prosperity of South Asia cannot be separated from the Kashmir issue.

"In order for the Kashmiri people to look at a safe future together with their Pakistani and Indian neighbors, it is imperative to solve the problem through dialogue and on the basis of justice and equity, but not through collision," said Erdogan.

The India-administered region has been facing a clampdown since Aug. 5, when the Indian government nixed Article 370 of the Indian constitution, which conferred a special status on it.

Hundreds of people, mostly political leaders, have been detained or arrested by authorities since the Indian government made the move.

India and Pakistan hold Kashmir in parts and claim it in full. China also controls part of the contested region, but it is India and Pakistan who have fought two wars over Kashmir.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/74th-un-ge...-for-dialogue-for-solution-on-kashmir/1593106

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister Imran Khan met with Prime Minister of New Zealand Rt. Hon. Jacinda Ardern today at the sidelines of UNGA 74th Session at New York.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMIKInUSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PMIKInUSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA74?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA74</a> <a href="https://t.co/ekrExsn0L3">pic.twitter.com/ekrExsn0L3</a></p>— Govt of Pakistan (@pid_gov) <a href="https://twitter.com/pid_gov/status/1176538851277463553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister Imran Khan calls on President of Iran H.E. Hassan Rouhani on the sidelines of 74th UNGA session at New York today.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMIKinUSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PMIKinUSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA74?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA74</a> <a href="https://t.co/08vTVjHM61">pic.twitter.com/08vTVjHM61</a></p>— Govt of Pakistan (@pid_gov) <a href="https://twitter.com/pid_gov/status/1176268835512565761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistani delegation led by Prime Minister Imran Khan arrives at the opening debate of 74th <a href="https://twitter.com/UN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UN</a> General Assembly session at UN Headquarters in New York, USA. <a href="https://t.co/OEjksXH5li">pic.twitter.com/OEjksXH5li</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1176499878505177100?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“1 of the problems international community fails to devote enough attention is the Kashmir issue that awaits resolution even after 72 yrs”<br>Eminent Muslim leader <a href="https://twitter.com/RTErdogan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RTErdogan</a> also raises voice for Kashmir at UNGA, supporting Pakistan’s narrative on the issue.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LiftTheSiegeInKashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LiftTheSiegeInKashmir</a> <a href="https://t.co/Cb9XiOJr9q">pic.twitter.com/Cb9XiOJr9q</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1176548431709528065?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I thank Turkey’s President Erdogan for raising the issue of IOJK in the UN General Assembly & calling for a solution to this long-standing dispute. Referring to the siege of IOJK, he pointed out that despite UN resolutions, 8 million people are stuck in IOJK.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1176571732783710208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I appreciate President Erdogan's statement that the stability and prosperity of South Asia cannot be separated from the Kashmir issue.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1176571735409397762?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Josh]

Imran khan : we can't attack India and that's clearly not an option. We are doing everything else possible.
That's a big statement.

 

[Abdullah719]

Imran khan : we can't attack India and that's clearly not an option. We are doing everything else possible.
That's a big statement.

Why? He has stated multiple times that Pakistan will not initiate any military conflict.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Why? He has stated multiple times that Pakistan will not initiate any military conflict.

It is because that ensures that this whole Kashmir debate is no more than a political point scoring debate.
Why would India attack pakistan? They've gotten what they wanted and would want to keep this low key.
If pakistan is not willing to attack india, that means nothing will be done.
Diplomacy won't work because the world is with India and we know that so we should take appropriate measures.

 

[Abdullah719]

It is because that ensures that this whole Kashmir debate is no more than a political point scoring debate.
Why would India attack pakistan? They've gotten what they wanted and would want to keep this low key.
If pakistan is not willing to attack india, that means nothing will be done.
Diplomacy won't work because the world is with India and we know that so we should take appropriate measures.

In other words, we learnt nothing new today.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Imran khan : we can't attack India and that's clearly not an option. We are doing everything else possible.
That's a big statement.

It is because that ensures that this whole Kashmir debate is no more than a political point scoring debate.
Why would India attack pakistan? They've gotten what they wanted and would want to keep this low key.
If pakistan is not willing to attack india, that means nothing will be done.
Diplomacy won't work because the world is with India and we know that so we should take appropriate measures.

Defence Strategies arent meant to be shared on International level.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here are the most searched <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA</a> leaders <a href="https://t.co/yPSwCxqnLF">pic.twitter.com/yPSwCxqnLF</a></p>— GoogleTrends (@GoogleTrends) <a href="https://twitter.com/GoogleTrends/status/1176577367977816064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Oxfordchamp]

IK should be spending his time energy and resources on improving Pakistan which is in dire straits..instead he is foolishly trying to focus on Kashmir where he can achieve nothing...he cannot take on india militarily diplomatically or economically...Isnt it obvious to him from last few weeks..he is going on complaining endlessly and ranting on Twitter and on all platforms he gets to speak but hope he realizes he achieved zero...If the same effort was spent in attracting investors to Pakistan or other economy boosting measures he would have seen lot of success which actually helps pakistanis.

 

[IMMY69]

IK should be spending his time energy and resources on improving Pakistan which is in dire straits..instead he is foolishly trying to focus on Kashmir where he can achieve nothing...he cannot take on india militarily diplomatically or economically...Isnt it obvious to him from last few weeks..he is going on complaining endlessly and ranting on Twitter and on all platforms he gets to speak but hope he realizes he achieved zero...If the same effort was spent in attracting investors to Pakistan or other economy boosting measures he would have seen lot of success which actually helps pakistanis.

So another poster who didn’t even bother watching his interview.

 

[ahsan17]

IK should be spending his time energy and resources on improving Pakistan which is in dire straits..instead he is foolishly trying to focus on Kashmir where he can achieve nothing...he cannot take on india militarily diplomatically or economically...Isnt it obvious to him from last few weeks..he is going on complaining endlessly and ranting on Twitter and on all platforms he gets to speak but hope he realizes he achieved zero...If the same effort was spent in attracting investors to Pakistan or other economy boosting measures he would have seen lot of success which actually helps pakistanis.

Why can't both be done at the same time?

 

[Lonewarrior]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">President Erdogan, PM Mahatir and myself had a meeting today in which we decided our 3 countries would jointly start an English language channel dedicated to confronting the challenges posed by Islamophobia and setting the record straight on our great religion - Islam.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1176938507052433408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Misperceptions which bring people together against Muslims would be corrected; issue of blasphemy would be properly contextualized; series & films would be produced on Muslim history to educate/inform our own people & the world; Muslims would be given a dedicated media presence.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1176938509816537089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Oxfordchamp]

Why can't both be done at the same time?

First you have to become stronger and self reliant then think about fighting others...Right now you cannot even stand on your legs but attempting to fight a stronger opponent..

 

[Oxfordchamp]

So another poster who didn’t even bother watching his interview.

I haven't watched it..Why would I bother to even watch it ..Nothing concrete or beneficial will come out of it for Pakistan...In 2 days every one will forget and all countries will be back to business as usual...India will continue to develop its economic clout and improve trade ties with everyone..look at Modi he is key note speaker at Bloomberg annual global business forum where over 50 heads of state and CEOs are attending..Modi and Bloomberg just announced a partnership to strengthen global investment in India..IK should strive for such things..

 

[ahsan17]

First you have to become stronger and self reliant then think about fighting others...Right now you cannot even stand on your legs but attempting to fight a stronger opponent..

You could apply the same logic to Bharat and basically every country except US. Why are other countries doing the same thing as well?

FYI - I don't think anyone mentioned about fighting anyone.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I haven't watched it..Why would I bother to even watch it ..Nothing concrete or beneficial will come out of it for Pakistan...In 2 days every one will forget and all countries will be back to business as usual...India will continue to develop its economic clout and improve trade ties with everyone..look at Modi he is key note speaker at Bloomberg annual global business forum where over 50 heads of state and CEOs are attending..Modi and Bloomberg just announced a partnership to strengthen global investment in India..IK should strive for such things..

You should have watched it. Modi is the leader of a nation with 1.3 billion people, it's a large market for companies and also a large market for cheap labour. Nobody cares about Modi, the guy is a complete idiot and a fascist, its' India others want to do business with not to hold Modis hand or hug him like they hug their wife.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

You could apply the same logic to Bharat and basically every country except US. Why are other countries doing the same thing as well?

FYI - I don't think anyone mentioned about fighting anyone.

India is much more superior and stronger than pakistan..and it's trying to become even more stronger by prioritizing what is right..It has become an economic super power and has pulled millions of its citizens out of poverty...Indian middle class and human resources are so strong that all world is knocking on India' doors to invest and grow..We all saw the influence of Indian diaspora in the Usa..why do you think Modi is conferred the highest civilian honors of even Muslim countries like saudi Arabia UAE Bahrain Qatar etc...Every sensible nation is prioritizing its internal matters whereas On the other hand Pakistan's priority seems to be Kashmir. World won't respect that..

 

[ahsan17]

India is much more superior and stronger than pakistan..and it's trying to become even more stronger by prioritizing what is right..It has become an economic super power and has pulled millions of its citizens out of poverty...Indian middle class and human resources are so strong that all world is knocking on India' doors to invest and grow..We all saw the influence of Indian diaspora in the Usa..why do you think Modi is conferred the highest civilian honors of even Muslim countries like saudi Arabia UAE Bahrain Qatar etc...Every sensible nation is prioritizing its internal matters whereas On the other hand Pakistan's priority seems to be Kashmir. World won't respect that..

You are giving a one-dimensional view of Pakistan, and the view is obviously not true. For India, you are giving a glorious, somewhat nuanced (but not fully nuanced view) view. But of course it's not realistic to expect an Indian to give more nuanced and realistic view of Pakistan. I will give you an example. Pakistan's poverty rate is 2-3x less than India. I am not going to argue about it, but just mentioned that to give an example of how your view on Pakistan is completely one-dimensional. That's why I am not going to dissect your argument point by point because you are not informed about the finer points.

Regardless, your initial premise was about being able to fight. India cannot fight Pakistan nor can it fight China. So we're back to square one with your argument. Your initial premise is false. Just because country A is not as big or powerful as country B, it does not mean country A should not speak about atrocities being committed by country B. This is not just about countries - the same logic applies to individuals as well.

 

[globalcitizen]

You are giving a one-dimensional view of Pakistan, and the view is obviously not true. For India, you are giving a glorious, somewhat nuanced (but not fully nuanced view) view. But of course it's not realistic to expect an Indian to give more nuanced and realistic view of Pakistan. I will give you an example. Pakistan's poverty rate is 2-3x less than India. I am not going to argue about it, but just mentioned that to give an example of how your view on Pakistan is completely one-dimensional. That's why I am not going to dissect your argument point by point because you are not informed about the finer points.

Regardless, your initial premise was about being able to fight. India cannot fight Pakistan nor can it fight China. So we're back to square one with your argument. Your initial premise is false. Just because country A is not as big or powerful as country B, it does not mean country A should not speak about atrocities being committed by country B. This is not just about countries - the same logic applies to individuals as well.

Why should india fight Pakistan or china??
Not sure you research some history to know the facts which country is pacifist or not. Words don’t convince the world , history is known to the world
No war has been initiated by india until now but they retaliate to protect the sovereignty

1965 was an insurgency attempt by Pakistan
1971 war initiated by strikes by Pakistan Air Force on Indian installations
1999 kargil war initiated by Pakistani militants crossing loc
2019 can’t even said a war but you would know atleast recent history

 

[Napa]

Pakistan's poverty rate is 2-3x less than India.

Do you have a cite for this?

As per CIA World Factbook the poverty level for India was 21.9% (2011) while for Pakistan it was 29.5% (2013).

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pk.html

Since 2011 India has increased its per cap GDP at a faster rate than Pakistan, so likely India's poverty rate has fallen faster.

One sign of the condition of the Pakistani poor is that it had the worst infant mortality rate in 2018.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/163944...t-countries-still-face-alarming-risks-unicef/

 

[ahsan17]

Do you have a cite for this?

As per CIA World Factbook the poverty level for India was 21.9% (2011) while for Pakistan it was 29.5% (2013).

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pk.html

Since 2011 India has increased its per cap GDP at a faster rate than Pakistan, so likely India's poverty rate has fallen faster.

One sign of the condition of the Pakistani poor is that it had the worst infant mortality rate in 2018.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/163944...t-countries-still-face-alarming-risks-unicef/

I didn't want to drag the thread in this direction - it was only mentioned as an example of how globalcitizen was being completely one-dimensional about Pakistan. Anyway, here's your source.

http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/PAK
http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/IND

It looks like they have newer numbers for Pakistan but not India. India's latest number (from 2011) is 21.1 while Pakistan's latest (from 2013) is 6.1. They used to have 2011 numbers for Pakistan before and it was 7.9 (i.e. roughly a 2.5x difference when comparing apples to apples), but they now have 2015 numbers so they removed 2011.

 

[Napa]

I didn't want to drag the thread in this direction - it was only mentioned as an example of how globalcitizen was being completely one-dimensional about Pakistan. Anyway, here's your source.

http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/PAK
http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/IND

It looks like they have newer numbers for Pakistan but not India. India's latest number (from 2011) is 21.1 while Pakistan's latest (from 2013) is 6.1. They used to have 2011 numbers for Pakistan before and it was 7.9 (i.e. roughly a 2.5x difference when comparing apples to apples), but they now have 2015 numbers so they removed 2011.

Thanks for the cites.

Though WB is a reputable organization, these numbers are rather dubious. For India their numbers are 31.1% in 2009 and 21.2% in 2011.

Obviously Indian poverty rate did not fall by 9.9% in 2 years. Such a glaring mistake should be an embarrassment for WB.

Gini indices for Pakistan and India are not dramatically different, inequality is a bit more in India with a Gini of 35.2 and Pakistan's is 30.7.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/223rank.html#IN

Given that India's PPP per cap GDP for 2018 was $7,500 which is 34% higher than Pakistan's $5,600, given roughly equal Ginis I have no doubt that the poverty rate of India is lower than Pakistan's.

 

[ahsan17]

Thanks for the cites.

Though WB is a reputable organization, these numbers are rather dubious. For India their numbers are 31.1% in 2009 and 21.2% in 2011.

Obviously Indian poverty rate did not fall by 9.9% in 2 years. Such a glaring mistake should be an embarrassment for WB.

Gini indices for Pakistan and India are not dramatically different, inequality is a bit more in India with a Gini of 35.2 and Pakistan's is 30.7.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/223rank.html#IN

Given that India's PPP per cap GDP for 2018 was $7,500 which is 34% higher than Pakistan's $5,600, given roughly equal Ginis I have no doubt that the poverty rate of India is lower than Pakistan's.

I generally don't trust CIA publications for social and economic indicators, given that their priorities are different than getting accurate social indicators. It is also a wing of the US government (with political tilt) so not completely independent. WB is far more reliable, although I see your point why it's unlikely that poverty dropped by almost a third in 2 years. However, I haven't seen another source as reliable as WB that has apples to apples to comparison. The key is to have apples to apples comparison, because of a different poverty line and different methodology is being used across two countries, the results are not comparable.

With respect to the Gini coefficient, another way to look at it is that it's 16% lower in Pakistan than India. Top 1% of Indians own 73% of wealth in India. The other thing to note is that Pakistan has a vast underground economy, and that the last time the rebase happened was 2000 (I believe India was closer to 2015?). It is projected that if the underground economy becomes documented, Pakistan would overnight add anywhere from 15% - 50% of its current GDP to the GDP. You have to take that into account, because that would not be reflected in GDP PPP but it would be reflected in poverty rates.

 

[globalcitizen]

I didn't want to drag the thread in this direction - it was only mentioned as an example of how globalcitizen was being completely one-dimensional about Pakistan. Anyway, here's your source.

http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/PAK
http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/IND

It looks like they have newer numbers for Pakistan but not India. India's latest number (from 2011) is 21.1 while Pakistan's latest (from 2013) is 6.1. They used to have 2011 numbers for Pakistan before and it was 7.9 (i.e. roughly a 2.5x difference when comparing apples to apples), but they now have 2015 numbers so they removed 2011.

Hello don’t mix up names. Probably you are referring to oxfordchamp

 

[ahsan17]

Hello don’t mix up names. Probably you are referring to oxfordchamp

Yeah you are right. My bad. Can't even edit the previous posts.

 

[Napa]

I generally don't trust CIA publications for social and economic indicators, given that their priorities are different than getting accurate social indicators. It is also a wing of the US government (with political tilt) so not completely independent. WB is far more reliable, although I see your point why it's unlikely that poverty dropped by almost a third in 2 years. However, I haven't seen another source as reliable as WB that has apples to apples to comparison. The key is to have apples to apples comparison, because of a different poverty line and different methodology is being used across two countries, the results are not comparable.

With respect to the Gini coefficient, another way to look at it is that it's 16% lower in Pakistan than India. Top 1% of Indians own 73% of wealth in India. The other thing to note is that Pakistan has a vast underground economy, and that the last time the rebase happened was 2000 (I believe India was closer to 2015?). It is projected that if the underground economy becomes documented, Pakistan would overnight add anywhere from 15% - 50% of its current GDP to the GDP. You have to take that into account, because that would not be reflected in GDP PPP but it would be reflected in poverty rates.

You make your points well, and I understand you may regard the CIA data with suspicion. I don't think CIA deliberately provides wrong statistics, but possibly their poverty rates are according to criteria determined by national governments rather than the uniform international standard of $1.90 employed by WB.

A more appropriate comparison of India and Pakistan would compare their regions which have similar ethnicity and history, namely Indian Punjab, Haryana and Delhi with Pakistani Punjab and Sindh.

 

[ahsan17]

You make your points well, and I understand you may regard the CIA data with suspicion. I don't think CIA deliberately provides wrong statistics, but possibly their poverty rates are according to criteria determined by national governments rather than the uniform international standard of $1.90 employed by WB.

A more appropriate comparison of India and Pakistan would compare their regions which have similar ethnicity and history, namely Indian Punjab, Haryana and Delhi with Pakistani Punjab and Sindh.

At the end of the day, my main point was about the one-dimensional view of Pakistan which is obviously not accurate. Pakistan isn't just trying to deal with the Kashmir issue. IK spent a year putting the cream of the corrupt politicians in jail or to the point where they could go to jail any time. He reduced the account deficit substantially. You also have CPEC going on at the same time. Terrorism is also a complex issue with many nuances (some of which IK mentions, but not all) but it is also reduced to along the lines of karmic punishment for Pakistan. I just see incredibly simplistic and one-dimensional opinions all the time that need to be dealt with. The actual discussion and analysis is incredibly long and complicated, and very few people have the time to look at the full picture, so it gets reduced to one or two tidbits.

 

[Napa]

At the end of the day, my main point was about the one-dimensional view of Pakistan which is obviously not accurate. Pakistan isn't just trying to deal with the Kashmir issue. IK spent a year putting the cream of the corrupt politicians in jail or to the point where they could go to jail any time. He reduced the account deficit substantially. You also have CPEC going on at the same time. Terrorism is also a complex issue with many nuances (some of which IK mentions, but not all) but it is also reduced to along the lines of karmic punishment for Pakistan. I just see incredibly simplistic and one-dimensional opinions all the time that need to be dealt with. The actual discussion and analysis is incredibly long and complicated, and very few people have the time to look at the full picture, so it gets reduced to one or two tidbits.

You can argue that outsiders (like me) form an inaccurate opinion of countries based on a few incidents like the discovery of Bin Laden in Abbottabad. However, I do differ with you on the following. I am trying to be factual and base my opinion on objective facts.

1) Pakistan has an economic problem which IK is making worse rather than better. The problem is lack of modern industries. These require Western FDI to develop and IK's focus on Kashmir and chanting "nuclear war will happen if Kashmir isn't solved" is the death knell for Western FDI.

2) Without modern industries, the only way you can reduce the current account deficit is by reducing consumption of foreign goods. The way forward is to increase exports, merely reducing imports means won't buy you much.

3) The backwardness of Pakistani industry is illustrated by the composition of its exports which are mainly low-tech (like textiles) or commodities.

http://www.worldstopexports.com/pakistans-top-10-exports/

India in contrast has a plethora of modern industries (including IT which accounts for $125 billion in yearly exports and doesn't appear in the following list).

http://www.worldstopexports.com/indias-top-10-exports/

Pakistan has human capital comparable to India's, the reason for its backwardness is the difference in the political environment.

4) Until the Army is tamed and made obedient to the civilian government, Pakistan will not become a modern country with a modern economy. This is a fact.

5) It hasn't been proven to me that NS was corrupt as claimed, and is not a victim of political persecution. He has possibly a few flats in London, which could be worth a few million dollars. That is insignificant compared to Pakistan's GDP, external debt etc. NS was however the only politician who tried to tame the Army and paid a price for it.

 

[ahsan17]

You can argue that outsiders (like me) form an inaccurate opinion of countries based on a few incidents like the discovery of Bin Laden in Abbottabad. However, I do differ with you on the following. I am trying to be factual and base my opinion on objective facts.

1) Pakistan has an economic problem which IK is making worse rather than better. The problem is lack of modern industries. These require Western FDI to develop and IK's focus on Kashmir and chanting "nuclear war will happen if Kashmir isn't solved" is the death knell for Western FDI.

2) Without modern industries, the only way you can reduce the current account deficit is by reducing consumption of foreign goods. The way forward is to increase exports, merely reducing imports means won't buy you much.

3) The backwardness of Pakistani industry is illustrated by the composition of its exports which are mainly low-tech (like textiles) or commodities.

http://www.worldstopexports.com/pakistans-top-10-exports/

India in contrast has a plethora of modern industries (including IT which accounts for $125 billion in yearly exports and doesn't appear in the following list).

http://www.worldstopexports.com/indias-top-10-exports/

Pakistan has human capital comparable to India's, the reason for its backwardness is the difference in the political environment.

4) Until the Army is tamed and made obedient to the civilian government, Pakistan will not become a modern country with a modern economy. This is a fact.

These are reasonable points as to the lack of modern industries in Pakistan, because Pakistan's primary exports are not high-tech imports but primarily low tech. I think the reasoning is not as simple as what you say though. When Musharraf was ruling, Pakistan had 10 billion in FDI. The reason was stability. After the financial crisis and the on-set of terrorism, FDI went way down. PMs were being jailed or disqualified from leading the country. There were a host of factors coming together at once causing incredible instability. The government is more stable now, terrorism is significantly down. Because of that, I think there's good reason to hope for better FDI in coming years.

5) It hasn't been proven to me that NS was corrupt as claimed, and is not a victim of political persecution. He has possibly a few flats in London, which could be worth a few million dollars. That is insignificant compared to Pakistan's GDP, external debt etc. NS was however the only politician who tried to tame the Army and paid a price for it.

With corruption, it is usually hard to obtain direct evidence of their entire illicit earnings. It is usually hard to prove tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars were stolen via corruption. These guys cover their tracks well using money laundering and the likes, and usually never leave anything that can be traced back to them. Zardari is a well known crook and there's not a ton of evidence to convict him, but you cannot question that is one of the largest crooks in Pakistan. They slip up in a few cases which usually cause their demise, but that's not before they have stolen hundreds of millions (if not billions).

 

[Napa]

These are reasonable points as to the lack of modern industries in Pakistan, because Pakistan's primary exports are not high-tech imports but primarily low tech. I think the reasoning is not as simple as what you say though. When Musharraf was ruling, Pakistan had 10 billion in FDI. The reason was stability. After the financial crisis and the on-set of terrorism, FDI went way down. PMs were being jailed or disqualified from leading the country. There were a host of factors coming together at once causing incredible instability. The government is more stable now, terrorism is significantly down. Because of that, I think there's good reason to hope for better FDI in coming years.



With corruption, it is usually hard to obtain direct evidence of their entire illicit earnings. It is usually hard to prove tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars were stolen via corruption. These guys cover their tracks well using money laundering and the likes, and usually never leave anything that can be traced back to them. Zardari is a well known crook and there's not a ton of evidence to convict him, but you cannot question that is one of the largest crooks in Pakistan. They slip up in a few cases which usually cause their demise, but that's not before they have stolen hundreds of millions (if not billions).

Pakistan may have received FDI during Musharraf's time, but the setup was fragile with a former military dictator who had overthrown an elected PM leading the country. I hope that Pakistan receives FDI and modernizes its economy, though I do not share your optimism about its current trajectory. I believe peace and economic development go together, so what is good for Pakistan is also good for India.

Thanks for your reply. I respect what you say, though I disagree with some of what you write.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

You can argue that outsiders (like me) form an inaccurate opinion of countries based on a few incidents like the discovery of Bin Laden in Abbottabad. However, I do differ with you on the following. I am trying to be factual and base my opinion on objective facts.

1) Pakistan has an economic problem which IK is making worse rather than better. The problem is lack of modern industries. These require Western FDI to develop and IK's focus on Kashmir and chanting "nuclear war will happen if Kashmir isn't solved" is the death knell for Western FDI.

2) Without modern industries, the only way you can reduce the current account deficit is by reducing consumption of foreign goods. The way forward is to increase exports, merely reducing imports means won't buy you much.

3) The backwardness of Pakistani industry is illustrated by the composition of its exports which are mainly low-tech (like textiles) or commodities.

http://www.worldstopexports.com/pakistans-top-10-exports/

India in contrast has a plethora of modern industries (including IT which accounts for $125 billion in yearly exports and doesn't appear in the following list).

http://www.worldstopexports.com/indias-top-10-exports/

Pakistan has human capital comparable to India's, the reason for its backwardness is the difference in the political environment.

4) Until the Army is tamed and made obedient to the civilian government, Pakistan will not become a modern country with a modern economy. This is a fact.

5) It hasn't been proven to me that NS was corrupt as claimed, and is not a victim of political persecution. He has possibly a few flats in London, which could be worth a few million dollars. That is insignificant compared to Pakistan's GDP, external debt etc. NS was however the only politician who tried to tame the Army and paid a price for it.

Point 4 is most crucial and is the elephant in the room.I suspect IK will soon find that he has to tame the army but that's a battle he can't win..

 

[Napa]

Point 4 is most crucial and is the elephant in the room.I suspect IK will soon find that he has to tame the army but that's a battle he can't win..

The breakthrough for Pakistan will happen if and when the majority of the citizens realize that they need the civilian government to be supreme. As long as the attitude is "the politicians are all crooks and the Army is doing a good job monitoring them", there is no hope for progress.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Point 4 is most crucial and is the elephant in the room.I suspect IK will soon find that he has to tame the army but that's a battle he can't win..

Many Indians thought Imran might be that one mass leader with mandate and popularity that can override the hydra-headed influence of their Fauj in all aspects of policy but how wrong they were. He is no different.

Nawaz Sharif was the only one who publicly called for the primacy of civilian government and for that he rests in jail today

 

[MenInG]

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Thursday said that throughout his political career, he had never seen as much as anticipation as there was for his address to the United Nations General Assembly (UNDGA) today.

Addressing the Asia Society in New York City, the premier said that he was treating the event as "net practice for tomorrow," when he will address the 74th Session of the UNGA.

"In my 22, 23 years of politics, I have never seen anticipation for anything like [there is for] my speech tomorrow in the United Nations General Assembly," he said, adding: "The closest feeling I've had in the past was before the World Cup cricket final I played a long time ago."

The premier has already announced that he will highlight the Kashmir issue in his UNGA address, exposing the ethical and legal bankruptcy of India’s annexation of occupied Kashmir.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1507649/p...anticipation-as-there-is-for-his-unga-address

 

[MenInG]

Many Indians thought Imran might be that one mass leader with mandate and popularity that can override the hydra-headed influence of their Fauj in all aspects of policy but how wrong they were. He is no different.

Nawaz Sharif was the only one who publicly called for the primacy of civilian government and for that he rests in jail today

Many Pakistanis thought that Mr. Modi would be a changed mind and be ready to jettison his reputation from Gujrat massacres but sadly he remains the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler - apologies if that sounds harsh but "many Pakistanis" also think that.

 

[ahsan17]

The breakthrough for Pakistan will happen if and when the majority of the citizens realize that they need the civilian government to be supreme. As long as the attitude is "the politicians are all crooks and the Army is doing a good job monitoring them", there is no hope for progress.

We saw that to some extent in 2008 when Musharraf gave the government over to civilians. With Raheel Sharif and Bajwa, the army appears to be far more apolitical than in the past. The explosion of media in last 15 years is also fuelling that. Yes, there are some allegations about army interfering in 2018 elections, but at this point those are conspiracy theories. Independent polling was backing an IK win and there's little evidence to support the allegations. NS also won in 2013, when arguably army was more involved in politics than today. Basically army is a convenient bashing dummy for anyone whose political career ends due to corruption.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister Imran Khan "I'll treat this as net practice for tomorrow. In my 22, 23 years of politics, I've never seen anticipation for anything like my speech in the UN General Assembly. The closest feeling I've had in the past was before the World Cup cricket final" <a href="https://t.co/KFN0V9qWk1">pic.twitter.com/KFN0V9qWk1</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1177490142426095616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[IAJ]

Can someone please tell what time he will speak today? GMT time thank you.

 

[Lonewarrior]

 

[MenInG]

Can someone please tell what time he will speak today? GMT time thank you.

Imran Khan is slated to address the UNGA session at 5 pm UK time

 

[Sir-fraz]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Breaking?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Breaking</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndiaAtUN?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IndiaAtUN</a><br>Sources<br>PM <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> will not sit for the address by Pak PM <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a>.<br>Modi will deliver his address and leave the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA</a> for other engagements necks leaving for India. <a href="https://t.co/z969WKpFK2">https://t.co/z969WKpFK2</a></p>— Geeta Mohan گیتا موہن गीता मोहन (@Geeta_Mohan) <a href="https://twitter.com/Geeta_Mohan/status/1177553431185121281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[IAJ]

Imran Khan is slated to address the UNGA session at 5 pm UK time

Thank you

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Many Pakistanis thought that Mr. Modi would be a changed mind and be ready to jettison his reputation from Gujrat massacres but sadly he remains the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler - apologies if that sounds harsh but "many Pakistanis" also think that.

What Pakistanis think doesn't matter..Rest of the world has recognized and honoured Modi..Please think about why this has happened and what that means..

 

[Bewal Express]

What Pakistanis think doesn't matter..Rest of the world has recognized and honoured Modi..Please think about why this has happened and what that means..

Didn't they also ban for being complicit in murder, and he would be still banned if hadn't won the election.

 

[Professor]

What Pakistanis think doesn't matter..Rest of the world has recognized and honoured Modi..Please think about why this has happened and what that means..

Honestly all that means is that India presents better business opportunities then Pakistan and that’s the only reason the world “honoured” modi. Before he was pm, the guy couldn’t get a visa for the US.

I guess you can be proud of the fact that your country is doing better then Pakistan financially and that’s why the world seems to be siding with you. But please don’t be delusional that the world is supporting India because of moral reasons. So be proud and enjoy the fact that the world seems to be quiet when Kashmiris are being tortured but don’t delude yourself by thinking that you have the moral upper hand somehow.

 

[Akki malhotra]

Wao what a great speech by PM imran khan. India should give up kashmir just on the basis of imran khan speech which included everything from quran to Muslim rights to kashmiri people to hindu tamil tigers suicide bombers to RSS to hindus superior race etc etc.
Modi didn't even gave him a competition . Modi cudnt even say Pakistan Or islam related thing single time in his speech.
Full points to imran

 

[DRsohail]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Breaking?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Breaking</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndiaAtUN?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IndiaAtUN</a><br>Sources<br>PM <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> will not sit for the address by Pak PM <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a>.<br>Modi will deliver his address and leave the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA</a> for other engagements necks leaving for India. <a href="https://t.co/z969WKpFK2">https://t.co/z969WKpFK2</a></p>— Geeta Mohan گیتا موہن गीता मोहन (@Geeta_Mohan) <a href="https://twitter.com/Geeta_Mohan/status/1177553431185121281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol chay wala speaking on world issue.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Many Pakistanis thought that Mr. Modi would be a changed mind and be ready to jettison his reputation from Gujrat massacres but sadly he remains the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler - apologies if that sounds harsh but "many Pakistanis" also think that.

What has Modi done since he became PM, that makes him a Hitler reincarnation?