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PM Imran Khan's Russia trip confirmed - Will this benefit Pakistan?

Romali_rotti said:
Brathaar this is where you turn into a village Pakistani when you say things like this.

There is not much Putin would get from a broke Pakistan led by Imran Khan. So hypothetically even if the 2.5 Billion dollar gas pipeline goes ahead with funding's from China since Pakistan is struggling, the Indian Russian bilateral trade is at 10 billion currently with no payment or debt issues..

Being nationalistic is one thing, but come on now Imran is a nobody in world politics compared to PM Modi, yeah the hardcore Pakistani or the Indian Pseudo Secular would say; Modi is this Modi is that, but the ground reality is, he is in the top 10 most powerful leaders of the world: https://www.forbes.com/powerful-people/list/#tab:overall

Let it go bro, I got no issues with you, lets keep a proper discussion going...
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Imran is seen highly compared to Modi, we both know this.

Modi is only seen as powerful because he is the PM of India, Rahul Ghandi would occupy the same postion and besides this is only the opinon of Forbes.

Please dont take any attack on Modi personally, he is a just a religous extremist and clearly you're not.

Pakistan may not be rich but niether is India in terms of poverty levels.

What Pakistan does have is geographical advantages and huge natural resources.

Lets be honest, If Pak was nothing to Russia, the Russians wouldnt be improving relations, official visits, trade deals and even military drills. Not least because as we see on this thread, it will upset Indians, which I understand.

You're entitled to your view, please keep them coming. I love debating and Im confident on this one.

Btw I genuinley hope you are all well in Australia. Like NZ its turning a bit strict but this is for another topic.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Russia is using Modi to buy weapons. Its absurd to think a smart man like Putin would have any interest in conversing with a dim Modi. IK can hold his own and he did.
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What does Pakistan have to offer/sell to Russia?
 
KingKhanWC said:
Imran is seen highly compared to Modi, we both know this.

Modi is only seen as powerful because he is the PM of India, Rahul Ghandi would occupy the same postion and besides this is only the opinon of Forbes.

Please dont take any attack on Modi personally, he is a just a religous extremist and clearly you're not.

Pakistan may not be rich but niether is India in terms of poverty levels.

What Pakistan does have is geographical advantages and huge natural resources.

Lets be honest, If Pak was nothing to Russia, the Russians wouldnt be improving relations, official visits, trade deals and even military drills. Not least because as we see on this thread, it will upset Indians, which I understand.

You're entitled to your view, please keep them coming. I love debating and Im confident on this one.

Btw I genuinley hope you are all well in Australia. Like NZ its turning a bit strict but this is for another topic.
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Most Indians and some Pakistanis are failing to understand and not realizing the world has changed, it’s not changing, it has changed in terms of geo-politics. Pakistan is trying to position itself as neutral and hoping for economic ties with all major powers, that is now Pakistan’s national security policy which Pakistan had put out under PTI government in clearest terms for the rest of the world. .

Indians and some Pakistanis incorrectly seem to believe that for Pakistan it is a zero sum game, it is not anymore because Afghanistan border is secured and on Eastern border Pakistan is fully capable of securing any agitation and illegal aggregation from India.

India will be an agitator and will again attempt to be aggressive against Pakistan purely to once again to show its capabilities and capacity for western alliance and for domestic consumption. In current geo-political climate, Pakistan gain absolutely nothing out of aggregating India but if one were to watch an Indian media then, well, we all are well aware of reputation of the Indian media, so not much need to be said.

I failed to understand Indians and few PML-N supporters obsession with left over archaic colonial complex such as the PM of Pakistan drove Bin Salman himself, certain leader didn’t visit first, or but Modi had a first visit from certain leaders - As long as what needed to be done is getting done then rest of it is irrelevant and a talking point for chest thumping and point scoring.

If sanctions against Russia prevent Russia from investing in Pakistan then that’s it but by not visiting Russia would have been against pakistans national security policy.
 
I remember Najam Sethi once mentioned that one of the biggest mistakes in Pakistan history was siding with the US over USSR in the cold war
 
Western media outlets too have reported on his "excitement" comment.

And he ran into potential embarrassment almost immediately. The prime minister was heard in a video clip telling Russian officials upon arrival that it was a time of “so much excitement”.

“What a time I have come... so much excitement,” Mr Khan can be heard saying in the clip shared on social media.
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This probably sums up Imran Khan's situation right now

“Islamabad’s best hope for PM Khan’s Russia visit is that there are limited public aspects to the programme, that Khan doesn’t make any gaffes and say the U word in any public remarks, and that Khan and his delegation can get out as quickly and quietly as possible,” tweeted Michael Kugelman, Asia Programme deputy director at Wilson Centre.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/...oscow-imran-khan-prime-minister-b2022105.html
 
Prime Minister Imran Khan told Russian President Vladimir Putin disputes should be resolved through dialogue and diplomacy as he regretted the latest situation between Russia and Ukraine, said a Foreign Office statement issued here on Thursday after a meeting between the two leaders in Moscow.

Prime Minister Imran, who is on an official visit to Russia, held an over three-hour long meeting with the Russian president, hours after Moscow ordered a full scale assault on Ukraine that drew strong reaction from the West.

The Pakistani delegation woke up in the morning with the news of Russian attack, something that made the prime minister visit even more daunting given some had already advised him not to go ahead with the trip against the backdrop of brewing tensions.

Prime Minister Imran was the first foreign dignitary to have met President Putin at Kremlin after the attack on Ukraine and hence the entire world was closely following the meeting between the two leaders.

The primary objective of Imran’s visit was to discuss bilateral ties as well as regional issues, particularly Afghanistan. A statement issued by the Kremlin did not explicitly mention that the issue of Ukraine was discussed during the meeting.

However, the Foreign Office statement of the Imran-Putin meeting confirmed that the subject did come up for discussion. “The prime minister regretted the latest situation between Russia and Ukraine and said that Pakistan had hoped diplomacy could avert a military conflict,” read the Foreign Office handout.

It said that Imran stressed that conflict was not in anyone’s interest, and that the developing countries were always hit the hardest, economically, in case of conflict. He underlined Pakistan’s belief that disputes should be resolved through dialogue and diplomacy, according to the Foreign Office.

Observers believe that the statement suggested that the prime minister tried to maintain a delicate balance by not taking sides in the conflict that could engulf the entire Europe.

Meanwhile, the statement said the two leaders held wide-ranging consultations on bilateral relations as well as regional and international issues of mutual interest.

Recalling the telephone conversations between the two leaders during the recent months, the prime minister expressed confidence that the positive trajectory of bilateral relations would continue to move forward in the future.

He added that the trust and cordiality, marking the bilateral relationship, would translate into further deepening and broadening of mutual cooperation in diverse fields.

The two leaders discussed cooperation in prospective energy-related projects. Imran reaffirmed the importance of the Pakistan-Stream Gas Pipeline as a flagship economic project between Pakistan and Russia. He underscored Pakistan’s commitment to forge a long-term, multidimensional relationship with Russia.

In the regional context, Imran underlined the urgency of addressing the humanitarian crisis and preventing potential economic meltdown in Afghanistan. He reiterated that Pakistan would continue to work with the international community for a stable, peaceful and connected Afghanistan.

In this regard, the prime minister underscored the ongoing cooperation and coordination between Pakistan and Russia at various international and regional fora, including the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).

On the situation in South Asia, the prime minister highlighted the serious human rights situation in Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK) and underscored the imperative of peaceful resolution of the dispute.

The prime minister also highlighted the developments detrimental to regional peace and stability and stressed the need for measures that would help keep the regional balance. Expressing concerns on rising trends of extremism and Islamophobia in the world, the prime minister emphasised the need for interfaith harmony and coexistence.

Appreciating President Putin’s understanding of the respect and sensitivities that the Muslims attach to the Holy Prophet (PBUH), the prime minister said that inter-faith harmony and respect for all religions was imperative for peace and harmony within and among the societies.

Later, Prime Minister Imran held a meeting with Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak and an interactive session with notable businessmen of Pakistan and Russia. During the meetings, Imran highlighted the reforms undertaken in different sectors to improve business environment in Pakistan.

Novak, also the minister of energy, called on the prime minister along with a delegation. The Prime Minister expressed confidence that Russian companies and businesses would benefit from Pakistan’s improved business environment and invest in different sectors of Pakistan’s economy.

Expressing satisfaction on the current level of cooperation in the fields of energy, trade, investment, railways etc, both sides agreed that an Inter-Governmental Commission (IGC) was the pivotal platform to further advance specific projects.

PM woos Russian business community

Following the meeting, the prime minister had an interactive session with notable businessmen of Pakistan and Russia over dinner. The prime minister stated that Pakistan as a market of more than 220 million provided opportunity for trade and investment.

He stated that forthcoming investment conference in Pakistan next month would be an opportunity for metallurgical, energy, construction and oil and gas companies to explore the immense potential in Pakistan.
 
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ISLAMABAD: Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said Friday Prime Minister Imran Khan embarked on a two-day visit to Russia after well-thought-out deliberations with government officials as he rejected criticism on the premier's landmark tour.

Addressing a press briefing regarding PM Imran Khan’s "historic" visit to Moscow, he said before PM Imran Khan visited the capital, the situation in Russia and Ukraine was reviewed at the Prime Minister's Office where detailed consultation was held regarding the tour.

Four diplomats were also present in the meeting and the route was determined after which Prime Minister Imran Khan and his delegation left for Russia.

“After consultation, we decided to proceed as per our plan,” he said, adding that after the trip “our satisfaction increased and we got diplomatic space."

Russia's trip focused on enhancing energy cooperation

Qureshi said that the main focus of Prime Minister Imran Khan’s visit to Russia was enhancing energy cooperation, adding that during the trip, Pakistan emphasised on prospects of increasing bilateral cooperation in energy and trade.

“We expressed interest in buying gas from Russia and for setting up an LNG terminal in Gwadar,” he said.

The minister added that a discussion was held on Pakistan Gas Stream Project.

“We also expressed interest in the extension of Uzbekistan’s gas pipeline to Pakistan,” he said.

Situation in Afghanistan discussed

Qureshi said that during PM Imran Khan’s meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, the two leaders discussed the situation in Afghanistan.

The foreign minister said that Pakistan has defined goals in the case of Afghanistan, which is how to protect Afghanistan from the humanitarian crisis.

“The third meeting regarding the Afghan issue will be held in China by the end of March,” he said, adding that Russia has also been invited to this meeting.

The first two meetings in this regard were held in Islamabad and Tehran.

Qureshi reiterated that Pakistan fully utilised the opportunity and raised the Afghanistan issue, saying that Pakistan’s foreign policy focuses on enhancing regional cooperation.

“Kashmir issue was also discussed during the meeting,” he said, adding that the topic of islamophobia was also raised by the premier.

Pakistan contacted US before Russia's trip
“We have diplomatic relations with both Ukraine and Russia,” he said, adding that before embarking on Russia’s trip, Pakistan had informed the United States of its point of view.

He said that Pakistan is not unaware about the international sanctions imposed on Russia.

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Lol the west is really not able to digest this trip.

A consequence of the visit:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🇵🇰 Pakistan is now the worst place to be in during the pandemic due to:<br>-low vaccination<br>-tight restrictions<br>-weak health-care infrastructure<br><br>See where your country ranks in our Covid Resilience Ranking ⬇️ <a href="https://t.co/5ONrwgVzeO">https://t.co/5ONrwgVzeO</a></p>— Bloomberg (@business) <a href="https://twitter.com/business/status/1497143340856401922?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


This is the height of false propaganda. Pakistan is administering 2 million vaccines a day, 200+ million doses have been administered, 60% of the population have free healthcare through Sehat card and there are zero restrictions as can be seen from packed stadiums during PSL. Heck the much feared omicron wasn't more than a blip in Pakistan and daily positive ratio is back under 2%. Even WHO has Pakistan in top three as normalcy index. This is a garbage propaganda piece because Pakistan chose to not tow the line of the west.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Khan-Putin talks in Moscow focused on establishing longterm 🇵🇰-🇷🇺 gas partnership with:<br><br>- Multi-billion dollar Pakistan-Stream gas pipeline project.<br>- Extension of Russian gas pipeline in Uzbekistan to 🇵🇰 via 🇦🇫.<br>- Russian investment in LNG terminal in Gwadar.</p>— Sana Jamal (@Sana_Jamal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Sana_Jamal/status/1497234533195866112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


But but Hindutva posters said is poor country only gone to Russia begging for bailout :ssmith:ssmith
 
Keep religion OFF this thread.

Topic of thread is clear, stick to it.
 
Technics 1210 said:
More importantly, Pakistan offers the military and geographical gateway to India, appeasing China.

Pakistan is the numeral uno proxy to destroy India, and Russia and China are rubbing their hands in glee.
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Are you claiming that Pakistan has been nothing more than a contract killer for the past 70 years?
Is this the only thing Pakistan can offer the rest of the world? Taking "Supari" from Russia and China to destroy India? You have nothing else to offer?

And why would Russian or even China want to destroy India lol.
 
Syed1 said:
Lol the west is really not able to digest this trip.

A consequence of the visit:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🇵🇰 Pakistan is now the worst place to be in during the pandemic due to:<br>-low vaccination<br>-tight restrictions<br>-weak health-care infrastructure<br><br>See where your country ranks in our Covid Resilience Ranking ⬇️ <a href="https://t.co/5ONrwgVzeO">https://t.co/5ONrwgVzeO</a></p>— Bloomberg (@business) <a href="https://twitter.com/business/status/1497143340856401922?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


This is the height of false propaganda. Pakistan is administering 2 million vaccines a day, 200+ million doses have been administered, 60% of the population have free healthcare through Sehat card and there are zero restrictions as can be seen from packed stadiums during PSL. Heck the much feared omicron wasn't more than a blip in Pakistan and daily positive ratio is back under 2%. Even WHO has Pakistan in top three as normalcy index. This is a garbage propaganda piece because Pakistan chose to not tow the line of the west.
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Now that's some serious false reporting and/or propaganda.
 
ahsan17 said:
Now that's some serious false reporting and/or propaganda.
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Some pointa are partially correct. Pakistan has probably the most number of fake doctors by population. Not to mention, during the covid first and second wave, the threads here in PP reflect that Pakistan doesn't have a strong health care infrastructure. Since mamoon is directly involved in the sector, may be he can shed more light and correct me if I am wrong in my assumption here.
 
Itachi said:
Some pointa are partially correct. Pakistan has probably the most number of fake doctors by population. Not to mention, during the covid first and second wave, the threads here in PP reflect that Pakistan doesn't have a strong health care infrastructure. Since mamoon is directly involved in the sector, may be he can shed more light and correct me if I am wrong in my assumption here.
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There's literally no data backing up your claims. Speaking for strong infrastructure, I do remember which country had people dying on the streets not long ago. Pakistan certainly fared much better than that.

Since when did Mamoon become the representative for Pakistan's healthcare system?
 
ahsan17 said:
There's literally no data backing up your claims. Speaking for strong infrastructure, I do remember which country had people dying on the streets not long ago. Pakistan certainly fared much better than that.

Since when did Mamoon become the representative for Pakistan's healthcare system?
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He's a doctor working in a Pakistani hospital. Unless you can bring another Pakistani doctor who is working in Pakistan to here in PP, it's mamoon who will held more credibility than any other person.
 
Kaptan said:
And why would Russian or even China want to destroy India lol.
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Oh don't you know, China needs India wiped off the planet because the both countries have a 100 Billion trade relationship per year.

Russia wants to destroy India because, um umm, ummm Well because Technics a Brit Pakistani said so :misbah

My god, some of the dumb things he says, you just have to sit back and admire the art of stupidity being presented, its one of a kind. :asif
 
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Syed1 said:
Lol the west is really not able to digest this trip.

A consequence of the visit:




This is the height of false propaganda. Pakistan is administering 2 million vaccines a day, 200+ million doses have been administered, 60% of the population have free healthcare through Sehat card and there are zero restrictions as can be seen from packed stadiums during PSL. Heck the much feared omicron wasn't more than a blip in Pakistan and daily positive ratio is back under 2%. Even WHO has Pakistan in top three as normalcy index. This is a garbage propaganda piece because Pakistan chose to not tow the line of the west.
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Bloomberg is a joke. They can be very biased and one-sided in their coverage, particularly on the COVID topic. They are yet to blame China for starting the pandemic, and have said nothing to the WHO for ignoring the pandemic for months.
They have said stuff about India as well, which unfortunately, some Pakistanis have quoted with glee.
 
Kaptan said:
Are you claiming that Pakistan has been nothing more than a contract killer for the past 70 years?
Is this the only thing Pakistan can offer the rest of the world? Taking "Supari" from Russia and China to destroy India? You have nothing else to offer?

And why would Russian or even China want to destroy India lol.
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Read what I said, ‘appeases China’, now don’t go pretending China has a sweet-spot for India. As for Russia, Russia is forming alliance with China, so its imperative Russia shares the same interests with China. Moreover, Pakistan is a geographical gateway to the ME, whereas India is geographically cursed.

How did Modi’s phone call to Putin go? LOL.
 
Given Russia, Putin being sanctioned and they are going to be removed from SWIFT. How will Russia and Pak do trade? PKR-Ruble??

Ruble is becoming more like Rubble in terms of value since War though.
 
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Cricfan4eva said:
Given Russia, Putin being sanctioned and they are going to be removed from SWIFT. How will Russia and Pak do trade? PKR-Ruble??

Ruble is becoming more like Rubble in terms of value since War though.
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I feel Putin has thought through all this to be honest. The guy has been testing the waters for this for the last 3-4 years. This wasn’t an overnight call.

He has faith in his domestic reserves which are strong and his hold on oil exports to get through this.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Given Russia, Putin being sanctioned and they are going to be removed from SWIFT. How will Russia and Pak do trade? PKR-Ruble??

Ruble is becoming more like Rubble in terms of value since War though.
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An alternative to SWIFT is already in place for Russia and China; MIR.
 
Local.Dada said:
It went well because india decided to abstain voting in the UN against Russia. It was also well setup with Putin personally visiting Modi last month.

Read news much?
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The news wasn’t important to MSM; such is the importance of India on the geopolitical stage. Though Modi’s plea does remind me of Ghandi’s letters to Hitler. Hey ho.
 
Itachi said:
He's a doctor working in a Pakistani hospital. Unless you can bring another Pakistani doctor who is working in Pakistan to here in PP, it's mamoon who will held more credibility than any other person.
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Right, so you want to go by anecdotes rather than actual data. That's your own opinion that's lacking in any logic. A single individual's opinion in any field is not enough. There are doctors that say vaccines are bad. There are scientists in the field of climate that think climate change is fake. Unless you can bring data to back your statements, the statements are meaningless.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
#BREAKING: US Department of Financial Services announces $35 million penalty for National Bank of Pakistan for compliance failure, continuing business in an unsafe/unsound manner, disregard for financial regulatory warning and failure to comply with Anti-Money laundering program.
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yeah kind of knew something would come up in terms of the warning. More to follow.
 
Bloomberg hates India as well, there are multiple articles bashing India but at that time most Pakistani posters will be praising bloomberg lol.

It’s Chinese bias is also evident,
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Given Russia, Putin being sanctioned and they are going to be removed from SWIFT. How will Russia and Pak do trade? PKR-Ruble??

Ruble is becoming more like Rubble in terms of value since War though.
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India will be doing trade with Russia in rupees as well, also EU will never agree to remove Russia from SWIFT.
 
JaDed said:
Bloomberg hates India as well, there are multiple articles bashing India but at that time most Pakistani posters will be praising bloomberg lol.

It’s Chinese bias is also evident,
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Yeah I was surprised with Bloomberg of all publications saying something like that.

I have read more Bloomberg articles on PP than on their website usually for that same reason lol
 
UNITED NATIONS: Pakistan allowed its turn to pass as the UN General Assembly on Tuesday continued to debate a resolution demanding immediate withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine.

In Washington, the US State Department urged journalists not to “focus on individual specific countries” when they asked questions about India’s abstentions.

On Friday, India did not vote on a UN Security Council resolution condemning the Russian invasion.

Two days later, India abstained again when the Security Council voted to convene an emergency special session of the 193-member General Assembly to debate the crisis.


On Thursday, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken telephoned his Indian counterpart and urged him to back US efforts in the United Nations and other international platforms.

Pakistan, which is trying not to take sides on this issue, stayed away from both sessions. As a UN member, Pakistan can participate in the UNGA debate, which entered its second day on Tuesday, but so far it has avoided doing so.

Indications are that Pakistan wants to avoid getting involved in the dispute which places it in an uncomfortable position. Pakistan is a traditional US ally, which once provided Washington a corridor to reach out to China.

Relations between the two countries, however, have strained recently, as the United States grew closer to India, which now has a key role in the US efforts to contain China.

China is Pakistan’s closest ally which supports Islamabad on key issues on various international fora, such as the United Nations and the FATF.

Diplomatic observers in Washington claim that China also played a key role in arranging Prime Minister Imran Khan’s visit to Russia last week. The observers argue that Pakistan is gradually orbiting out of the American influence and getting closer to both China and Russia, a claim Islamabad rejects as incorrect.

Pakistan says it wants to maintain close ties with both China and the United States and apparently that’s why it does not want to get involved in the Ukrainian dispute.

The United Arab Emirates had also abstained from voting on both occasions.

Published in Dawn, March 2nd, 2022
 
Some are saying (conspirist) that this trip is what will lead to Imran being removed through the vote of no confidence, as USA did not appreciate this and ordered his removal....

wonder how much truth there is in this theory, and if the USA theory is true; is Imran gonna pay the price of this visit?
 
China, Pakistan share concern about sanctions on Russia, Beijing says

Both called for a ceasefire through diplomatic dialogue

BEIJING:
China and Pakistan share concern about "spill-over effects of unilateral sanctions" on Russia over its war against Ukraine and called for a ceasefire and diplomatic resolution of the crisis, the Chinese foreign ministry said on Tuesday.

Old allies China and Pakistan have refrained from condemning Russia over its Feb 24 attack on Ukraine, unlike Western countries that have imposed unprecedented financial and corporate sanctions in response to what Russian President Vladimir Putin calls a "special military operation".

"Both expressed concerns about the spill-over effects of unilateral sanctions," the Chinese foreign ministry said in a statement following a meeting on Monday in Pakistan between the neighbours' foreign ministers.

"Both called for a ceasefire through diplomatic dialogue and hope that based on the principle of indivisible security, a fundamental solution to the Ukraine problem can be found,” the Chinese ministry said.

Pakistan's foreign ministry also issued a statement on the talks in Islamabad echoing the call for a ceasefire, but it did not mention concern about sanctions.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/234911...oncern-about-sanctions-on-russia-beijing-says
 
When Imran landed in Russia, Putin had already started to launch his attack and had used the visit by Pakistan for his own benefit as no one expected that the attack would take place during a time when a delegate was meeting the head of state of Russia. But Putin successfully used Imran as a pawn for his own benefit.

Infact, Pakistan even decided to stay neutral and not be able to call out the attack as wrong.

2 years later, according to Asad Umar and few prominent PTI (ex) members, they mention in an podcast with TCM that it was that decision that led to Imran being removed from the laps of the Generals. As Bajwa had said to Imran that not to poke a wounded bear, when Imran decided to stay neutral on the Russia Ukraine conflict.

Now alleged transcripts also indicate towards that trip.

Did Putin cause Imran's downfall?
 
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