Poor standard of cricket in National T20 Cup

[Saj]

I think some don't like any criticism of this tournament.

But without constructive citicism things will not improve.

I've seen over 50s field better than some of these guys.

 

[Khan12]

I think some don't like any criticism of this tournament.

Without criticism things will not improve.

I've seen over 50s field better than some of these guys.

Would love to see them over 50s facing Shaheen and co.

 

[Saj]

Would love to see them over 50s facing Shaheen and co.

Read my post again.

And see that I am referring to the standard of fielding.

 

[Zaz]

The coaches need to be told to start dropping players who have awful fielding no matter how good they bat or bowl

Too many players are in their comfort and dont see it as important

Watch the standard of their fielding improve once they are subjected to playing in the 2nd elevens or lower

 

[Saj]

Some players seem to be undroppable.

As if no matter what they do, they will get picked.

 

[Khan12]

Read my post again.

And see that I am referring to the standard of fielding.

Read the title again its about the tournment. You must be playing with some atgs in fielding hence the reason. I agree some of the fielding is shocking but lets not exaggerate.

 

[Saj]

Read the title again its about the tournment. You must be playing with some atgs in fielding hence the reason. I agree some of the fielding is shocking but lets not exaggerate.

For most people who watch cricket, fielding is part of the standard of cricket.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Read the title again its about the tournment. You must be playing with some atgs in fielding hence the reason. I agree some of the fielding is shocking but lets not exaggerate.

I see a lot of whining in this thread. This thread is about the standard of cricket and not just fielding.

Nobody is talking about the fantastic pitches we have seen with true pace and bounce.
No one talking about the discovery of so many young batsmen who are getting value for stroke making because of the quick outfields and true pitches.
And finally, no one talking about the quality of seam bowling, particularly with the new ball.

You guys need to appreciate these things, because 2,3 years ago, you could have never imagined getting to watch such standard of domestic cricket.

Go and recall the days of Saad Altaf getting 13,14 fers or hammad Azam being the best bowler of the tournament, or SNGPL getting out for 40 odd on a wet pitch because of some dibbly dobbly uncle.

It is true that there are problems in the fielding department but work is being done to improve this as well, with a new points based fielding system.

These players were not playing in a competitive environment previously, and their frail fitness and fielding were hidden because of no matches being telecasted.
This is no longer going to be the case now and the competition is going to get more cut throat as this system matures.

You need patience and observe this holistically instead of just whining about one element that sticks out for you.

 

[Saj]

The coaches need to be told to start dropping players who have awful fielding no matter how good they bat or bowl

Too many players are in their comfort and dont see it as important

Watch the standard of their fielding improve once they are subjected to playing in the 2nd elevens or lower

They won't do it.

Because too many of those players are friends of the captain or coach.

This needs stamping out as it has been going on for too long.

I want a high quality, perfect tournament in future, not one that is ok but still has the age-old problems.

 

[MenInG]

Fielding has been atrocious and the coaches need to be taken to task for this. It should be made top priority for Nat T20 and other tournaments.

We all love Pakistan cricket but doesnt mean we turn a blind eye to this problem.

 

[Khan12]

I see a lot of whining in this thread. This thread is about the standard of cricket and not just fielding.

Nobody is talking about the fantastic pitches we have seen with true pace and bounce.
No one talking about the discovery of so many young batsmen who are getting value for stroke making because of the quick outfields and true pitches.
And finally, no one talking about the quality of seam bowling, particularly with the new ball.

You guys need to appreciate these things, because 2,3 years ago, you could have never imagined getting to watch such standard of domestic cricket.

Go and recall the days of Saad Altaf getting 13,14 fers or hammad Azam being the best bowler of the tournament, or SNGPL getting out for 40 odd on a wet pitch because of some dibbly dobbly uncle.

It is true that there are problems in the fielding department but work is being done to improve this as well, with a new points based fielding system.

These players were not playing in a competitive environment previously, and their frail fitness and fielding were hidden because of no matches being telecasted.
This is no longer going to be the case now and the competition is going to get more cut throat as this system matures.

You need patience and observe this holistically instead of just whining about one element that sticks out for you.

The pitches have been excellent provides enough for everyone. Funny you talk about saad altaf and hammd azam i was mentioning them to my dad how a year ago that these guys used to top the bowling charts. The likes of them were no where to be seen since last year.

It will take time we are already seeing some of the rubbish leaving or not getting picked. Most importantly the quality is gone up significantly higher.

 

[Bullet Drive]

I think, people will watch this tournament for a reason that it’s PAK’s own tournament, local players are playing and everyone has some favourites, some known players as well. Also, this tournament is based on some area demarcation- that creates locality based loyalty. Quality is one thing, but sports support often isn’t based on quality or results - in that case Scanthrope United or Execeter City won’t have a single fan. I also follow results of my local clubs based on the loyalty more than anything else, keeping the eye on few years individuals as well.

However, regarding the quality I think only fielding is getting exposed here because that has a set measurable standard - people can compare. What can’t be compared is the relative things - batsmen are batting against the bowlers of this tournament or vice verse, therefore it could be misleading though T20 isn’t the best tool to measure quality in any case. I think, from the scorecards what I have seen is a bit of concerning - let’s be honest with us, there are only two PAK cricketers these days that’ll draw any concerns among opponents .... and the way both have toyed with their counterparts (with bat & ball), probably gives an indication that the bowling or batting won’t be far apart from fielding.

Very true

Babar and Shaheen are world class. Rest average.

 

[naseem]

Yes fielding is not even at par ....and way below average and it's now important how PCB deals with it.
Batting bowling standards are good.....we get to see different wickets and good ones....good bounce carry something for bowlers early on....and good for batting to....

 

[Loralai]

Very poor performance in the tournament from Yasir Shah. He's looked so ordinary and taken a place away from a youngster. It is hard to believe he is a Test cricketer with 200+ wickets.

 

[aloo paratha]

Very poor performance in the tournament from Yasir Shah. He's looked so ordinary and taken a place away from a youngster. It is hard to believe he is a Test cricketer with 200+ wickets.

He's always been atrocious in limited over cricket. The only times I can remember him succeeding is against Zimbabwe in 2015 and in the PSL 3 years ago because pitches were turning square.

 

[Loralai]

He's always been atrocious in limited over cricket. The only times I can remember him succeeding is against Zimbabwe in 2015 and in the PSL 3 years ago because pitches were turning square.

You are right.

It is a shame he was picked over more deserving candidates who could have used the chance to showcase their talents.

 

[jani_nasir]

Fielding is a cause for concern even at our international team, and one can see why that is the case. Players like Sohail Khan for example have that old fast bowler attitude, just wants to bowl, can’t even hide him at short leg.

That being said, the competition is leaps and bounds above what was there in the old model. I would never even consider watching these matches but actually look forward to seeing them every day now.

Domestic teams in other countries have a following just like international teams so, this is what Pakistan has lacked for a very long time.

We just expect quick fixes with a new coach or a new management , when these things take years to develop.

Mind you we are doing a lot with so little, and a lot of our cricketing fortunes have been tied to the countries issues.

 

[Shazzam]

Another thing I would like to see that no one has mentioned yet. Is to see players specialized for twenty20 playing over players who are limited to Test cricket in these tournaments. Like Shan Maqsood, Asad Shafiq, Rahat Ali, M.Abbas, and Yasir Shah should not be playing in these tournaments.

 

[shamaan]

Another thing I would like to see that no one has mentioned yet. Is to see players specialized for twenty20 playing over players who are limited to Test cricket in these tournaments. Like Shan Maqsood, Asad Shafiq, Rahat Ali, M.Abbas, and Yasir Shah should not be playing in these tournaments.

Who would have thought that babar would succeed in t20s but yet he has

 

[shamaan]

overall the tournament has been great the batting has been good the bowling has been good the fielding needs alot of improvement and with time it will get better.the pitches have been excellent the new ball has swung around and batters have cashed in after the swing has gone. some new talent has emerged which is always good

 

[Shazzam]

Who would have thought that babar would succeed in t20s but yet he has

Babar was always a dynamic batsmen that could play all three formats. I think its pretty clear he was gonna play all three formats.