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1. Shaheen is a world class talent and will grow into the leader of the test attack in a couple of years.

2. Naseem Shah is as hostile a quick as any 19 year old in the world.

3. Bobby Azam has once again shown the ability to handle a fast attack in their own backyard just like he did in south Africa.

4. Misbah has been exposed as both coach and selector and need s to be dumped ASAP for the good of Pakistan cricket !
 
Yeah. Golden days are coming. But who will coach Pakistan if they sack Misbah 🤔. No foreign coach is going to apply in this mess.
 
Shaheen,Naseem,Babar and Rizwan other .might disagree but I will add Shan. He has held his own on tough tracks for two series and has earned the right to play couple of home series against easier opposition.

However test side will not move ahead unless we dump Azhar,Asad, Yasir and maybe Abbas also.
Team needs to be built around Babar,Shaheen,Rizwan and hopefully the likes of Naseem and gohar needs to step up.
 
That is what we have left now, just collect some postives here and there. Chalo at least there is something.

Whenever I think about Misbah or any coach for that sake who flops in the beginning I start thinking about Sir Alex. But maybe Misbah is just not ready as a coach and he is a very poor selector.
 
Minor positives. Overall yet another disastrous tour. Unless Pakistan tours Australia every 2-3 years, has consistent A tours in Australia, has its international players playing in the Sheffield Shield, actually turns up to tour 6 weeks in advance on their own dime, our curse in Australia will just not improve.

I also think the PCB needs to look into hiring a specialist Australian bowling coach, consultant specifically for the Australian tour because our bowlers have zero idea on where and how to bowl in these conditions. Maybe adopt a horses for courses approach and actually select a few tall hit the deck pacers minimum 6 ft specifically for the tour to Australia just like England did with Tremmlet in 2010. Make sure you select experienced bowlers and batsmen in Australian conditions as well
 
Nikhil_cric said:
1. Shaheen is a world class talent and will grow into the leader of the test attack in a couple of years.

2. Naseem Shah is as hostile a quick as any 19 year old in the world.

3. Bobby Azam has once again shown the ability to handle a fast attack in their own backyard just like he did in south Africa.

4. Misbah has been exposed as both coach and selector and need s to be dumped ASAP for the good of Pakistan cricket !
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Didn't get all out below 100, not even once, that's gotta count for something!!
 
Shan Masood a solid test opener
2nd best batsman for Pakistan in the 5 tests they played in SA/Aus

Rizwan a brilliant Wicketkeeper batsman
He will end up greatest test WKB for Pakistan
 
Nikhil_cric said:
1. Shaheen is a world class talent and will grow into the leader of the test attack in a couple of years.

2. Naseem Shah is as hostile a quick as any 19 year old in the world.

3. Bobby Azam has once again shown the ability to handle a fast attack in their own backyard just like he did in south Africa.

4. Misbah has been exposed as both coach and selector and need s to be dumped ASAP for the good of Pakistan cricket !
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BTW don't agree on Shaheen being world class, he was better than the rest of the hopeless bunch and that's pretty much it. Picking a couple wks here and there and bowling well in patches doesn't make one world class. However, he has age on his side, I won't be surprised if he turns out to be a decent bowler in next few years time.
 
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another drop catch said:
Rizwan is surely an upgrade of Sarfaraz Ahmed
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RyanRyan10 said:
Shan Masood a solid test opener
2nd best batsman for Pakistan in the 5 tests they played in SA/Aus

Rizwan a brilliant Wicketk eeper batsman
He will end up greatest test WKB for Pakistan
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Shan needs to start converting and making meaningful contributions with the bat . We already know he has the talent from the way he took on Steyn, Olivier and Rabada but he needs to start making a real impact.
 
Hyperion66 said:
BTW don't agree on Shaheen being world class, he was better than the rest of the hopeless bunch and that's pretty much it. Picking a couple wks here and there and bowling well in patches doesn't make one world class.
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He said world class talent not world class bowler.
 
Hyperion66 said:
BTW don't agree on Shaheen being world class, he was better than the rest of the hopeless bunch and that's pretty much it. Picking a couple wks here and there and bowling well in patches doesn't make one world class. However, he has age on his side, I won't be surprised if he turns out to be a decent bowler in next few years time.
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These were flat pitches and he was not out bowled by Cummins and Hazelwood despite really no support or control only extra pace of Starc against hopeless Pakistan batsman was able to get anything from the pitches.
 
Hyperion66 said:
BTW don't agree on Shaheen being world class, he was better than the rest of the hopeless bunch and that's pretty much it. Picking a couple wks here and there and bowling well in patches doesn't make one world class. However, he has age on his side, I won't be surprised if he turns out to be a decent bowler in next few years time.
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I feel SSA has the potential to be a world class test bowler. Tall, quick and bowls good areas. Not the finished article, yet.
 
1) Yasir has finally become a handy all-rounder. Showed jazba, junoon, and a little bit of badmashi. Should get a lot of [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] and [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] 's love.

2) Rizwan showed potential to become a solid wicket keeper-batsman. Would also keep Sarfu on his toes.

3) No collapses.

4) Babar Azam's counter attacking innings.

5) [MENTION=56866]Bullet Drive[/MENTION] is back but so is his love for Umar Akmal.

By the way, good thread by a very positive person. Always looks at the silver linings / disguised blessings when Pakistan loses..
 
Pakistan's batting in this test is not as bad as it was in the first one.

This is why 2-test series are flawed. Pakistan could conceivably use the momentum to win / do better in a hypothetical 3rd test on this tour.
 
Varun said:
Pakistan's batting in this test is not as bad as it was in the first one.

This is why 2-test series are flawed. Pakistan could conceivably use the momentum to win / do better in a hypothetical 3rd test on this tour.
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Australia doesn't consider Pakistan as their rival so they played only 2 tests and it's also possible that they won't invite Pakistan for a series in future unless they are forced to play them in WTC
 
No real positives. A ton in 1 out of 4 innings, or an over of six deliveries being 145+ or left arm hostile bowling is a positive if you are Afghanistan or Zimbabwe.

We've been manhandled on the tour and will lose both tests by an innings defeat. The only positive is the financial security, and that each member of the PCB will take home a pay-cheque. Other positive is that some players have seen Australia for the first time, and will tell their mates back home about the glitz and glamour.
 
Xoib said:
These were flat pitches and he was not out bowled by Cummins and Hazelwood despite really no support or control only extra pace of Starc against hopeless Pakistan batsman was able to get anything from the pitches.
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What sorcery is this? Bhai you sure we watched same match? He was comfortably outbowled by the Aussie quicks, not just Statc.

When rest of the attack is going 120-0 on average of course the one with 80-2 figure will look impressive at the first glance.
 
I think the only positive is that the tour is almost over
 
1. Pakistan almost managed to avoid second inning defeat.

2. Took some wickets.

3. Naseem bowled with aag.

4. Babar made 200+ runs.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
1. Shaheen is a world class talent and will grow into the leader of the test attack in a couple of years.

2. Naseem Shah is as hostile a quick as any 19 year old in the world.

3. Bobby Azam has once again shown the ability to handle a fast attack in their own backyard just like he did in south Africa.

4. Misbah has been exposed as both coach and selector and need s to be dumped ASAP for the good of Pakistan cricket !
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Maybe times have changed but back in the days when I was a kid, a ‘world class’ fast bowling talent would have taken 5fer or two, ripped the batting top order out at least once to be rated that highly especially when the opposition racks up scores like 580-3 declared
 
Positives - Hopefully Australia wont invite pakistan to ever tour again.
 
Pat Cummins had a bad test. Smith also did not score a lot. So Atleast pak got hold of no 1 batsman and bowler.

But Shaheen was brilliant and did not get injured. Naseem was pretty good for the 20 overs he bowled

Rizwan another
 
i hope we dont have the same thread after the SL series but future looks bleek

misbah, waqar, azhar, yasir (maybe can be given an other series or 2) , Asad shafiq and the gutter-man-coach should be gone
 
Mohammad Abbas still averages <19.

So next time he's dropped and the replacement doesn't do well, we can have another "What in the world" thread.
 
Positive: Babar, Rizwan, SSA
Negative: Azhar Ali, Imam, Abbas, Imran Khan, Musa, Haris, Iftikhar
Neutral: Shan Masood, Asad Shafiq, Yasir Shah(+batting, -bowling), Naseem Shah
 
There were only 3 positives - One that SAS can be a good test bowler (but you need atleast 2 other bowlers who can bowl and not complete rookies) - Babar is going to be a good player for a long time and Rizwan can atleast be as good as Sarfraz.

Australia has always been the worst place for Pakistan to play even with more experienced and better teams let alone where we took a fast bowling attack with test match experience totaling less than any of the opposition bowler or wickets.

But the team looks better equipped to play in home conditions.
 
And also we must not forget this was only Pakistan 4th test all year and 2 of them in Australia will always result in losses. Where Australia got battle hardened playing against England in a 5 test series Pakistan played 4 test matches all year.

So its not only the team just everything is was against Pakistan performing any better - I have been saying for a year now that Outside of big 3 test cricket is going to die.
 
Only genuine positive of this tour to australia for pakistan, is that the tour is over and we don't have to play here again for a few years.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
1. Shaheen is a world class talent and will grow into the leader of the test attack in a couple of years.

2. Naseem Shah is as hostile a quick as any 19 year old in the world.

3. Bobby Azam has once again shown the ability to handle a fast attack in their own backyard just like he did in south Africa.

4. Misbah has been exposed as both coach and selector and need s to be dumped ASAP for the good of Pakistan cricket !
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Unfortunately Misbah will drop Naseem as a excuse of lack of experience. Plus we will bring more of his buddies mean those few positives will turned out to be more negative.
Plus even though Misbah and Waqar got exposed badly nothing will happen because they have no one to answer plus big back up from PCB all the way.
 
Shafi said:
Unfortunately Misbah will drop Naseem as a excuse of lack of experience. Plus we will bring more of his buddies mean those few positives will turned out to be more negative.
Plus even though Misbah and Waqar got exposed badly nothing will happen because they have no one to answer plus big back up from PCB all the way.
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Absolutely . Misbah is holding this team back with his incompetence and foolishness. He should not remain in any decision making capacity.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Absolutely . Misbah is holding this team back with his incompetence and foolishness. He should not remain in any decision making capacity.
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We all know this but PCB doesn't.
IK is as bad as Miandad or even Razzaq when it comes to highly professional administrative field. He was a good leader in the playing eleven in his time but a total clueless when it comes to very important decision like domestic setup/team management/coach selection. According to him an unskilled, inexperience and selfish person like Misbah is the best for head coach of the national team.
 
Shafi said:
Unfortunately Misbah will drop Naseem as a excuse of lack of experience. Plus we will bring more of his buddies mean those few positives will turned out to be more negative.
Plus even though Misbah and Waqar got exposed badly nothing will happen because they have no one to answer plus big back up from PCB all the way.
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as some one pointed out before, naseem may have dodged a bullet by being dropped, saved him a hammering from Warner which surely would have ended his career before it started knowing how our management operate.
 
There is no positive about Babar's 100 and Rizwan's 95 simple because I have seen so many times Babar once reach 100 quickly gets out.
I would rather see Yasir's 100 little bit positive because he with his so much limitation tried to be positive and wanted to keep going.
Good example is Warner. He didn't try to throw his wicket even after reached 300 but our batsmen once 50 or 100 done they are happy to return to dressing room.Its because Australians play with lots of passion where our players have lack of passion and use these international matches as a platform to get attention from T20 franchises.
 
The only positive is that we learnt some new slogans like "FIRE AGAINST FIRE" etc.
I got bored from that "WE ARE A PROUD CRICKET TEAM AND WE HATE LOSING" Misbah at least introduced some new slogans. Keep it up. MCB
 
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The only positive of this tour is that some Pakistani players and coaching staff got to travel to Australia. It’s a beautiful country with beautiful beaches especially in early summer when it’s not too hot. The cricket was just a sideshow.
 
silentkiller187 said:
Yasir Shah now has more overseas centuries then M S Dohni.
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Yasir has more hundreds than Dhoni outside Asia (any format).

He has a better top score in Australia than Joe Root who has played more Test matches.

He has one more Test hundred than the Aussie captain.

:inti
 
Babar showing more confidence and assertiveness in Test Cricket is perhaps the only positive I can see from this seies.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Shan Masood a solid test opener
2nd best batsman for Pakistan in the 5 tests they played in SA/Aus

Rizwan a brilliant Wicketkeeper batsman
He will end up greatest test WKB for Pakistan
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The bar seems very low for Shan.
 
Rizwan looks like a solid wicketkeeper and a quality batsmen, definitely an upgrade to Sarfraz.

His fitness is unbelievable, looks set to play 50+ tests
 
No positive in a shambolic tour like this, don't encourage mediocrity by trying to find silver linings when there are none. If a newbie like Nepal playing its first series tries to find positives in situations like this once can understand, not a team with history like Pakistan. Pakistan picked up 13 wickets, half of those were generous gifts by Aussies who were looking to up the ante. Pakistan lost 40 wickets without showing much spine, in none of the 4 innings could they surpass Warner's highest individual score. Looking for positives, there are none. First step to recovery is admission. Haris Sohail bowled better than the main bowlers while Yasir batted better than most batsmen, I don't see this as an encouraging trend, minnow teams perform like that.
 
Swashbuckler said:
No positive in a shambolic tour like this, don't encourage mediocrity by trying to find silver linings when there are none. If a newbie like Nepal playing its first series tries to find positives in situations like this once can understand, not a team with history like Pakistan. Pakistan picked up 13 wickets, half of those were generous gifts by Aussies who were looking to up the ante. Pakistan lost 40 wickets without showing much spine, in none of the 4 innings could they surpass Warner's highest individual score. Looking for positives, there are none. First step to recovery is admission. Haris Sohail bowled better than the main bowlers while Yasir batted better than most batsmen, I don't see this as an encouraging trend, minnow teams perform like that.
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I know what you mean, but when you are this low you need to look at positives and negatives and build on positives and eradicate negatives

The interesting thing to be would be to look at the positives and negatives from the last tour in SA and see how we progressed in each.

The positives have pretty much remained the same with the additions of naseem and Rizwan and the removal of the ability to take 20 wickets with 5 bowlers (replaced by Yasir)

We have wasted that positive from the last tour.

In terms of negatives Azhar and shafiq remain in this category, captaincy is added in.

What we shouldhave been e doing was using the positives from the SA tour and build on them, but we just started from scratch which is all a bit pointless.

Moving forward we need to look at positives for this tour and the negatives and use them to plan the England tour
 
Swashbuckler said:
No positive in a shambolic tour like this, don't encourage mediocrity by trying to find silver linings when there are none. If a newbie like Nepal playing its first series tries to find positives in situations like this once can understand, not a team with history like Pakistan. Pakistan picked up 13 wickets, half of those were generous gifts by Aussies who were looking to up the ante. Pakistan lost 40 wickets without showing much spine, in none of the 4 innings could they surpass Warner's highest individual score. Looking for positives, there are none. First step to recovery is admission. Haris Sohail bowled better than the main bowlers while Yasir batted better than most batsmen, I don't see this as an encouraging trend, minnow teams perform like that.
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You told the bitter truth. No point to deny that.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
1. Shaheen is a world class talent and will grow into the leader of the test attack in a couple of years.

2. Naseem Shah is as hostile a quick as any 19 year old in the world.

3. Bobby Azam has once again shown the ability to handle a fast attack in their own backyard just like he did in south Africa.

4. Misbah has been exposed as both coach and selector and need s to be dumped ASAP for the good of Pakistan cricket !
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Yasir Shah can really bat although i always rated his batting.
Naseem Shah is a good find, but i suggest giving the boy some bereavement leave.
Muhammad Musa isn't a good test find but more of a t20 player.
Chachu Iftikhar isn't meant for test cricket yet might wanna give him a fair chance against SL, however a decent t20 find.

Best of all we can say goodbye to Imam :)
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Yasir Shah can really bat although i always rated his batting.
Naseem Shah is a good find, but i suggest giving the boy some bereavement leave.
Muhammad Musa isn't a good test find but more of a t20 player.
Chachu Iftikhar isn't meant for test cricket yet might wanna give him a fair chance against SL, however a decent t20 find.

Best of all we can say goodbye to Imam :)
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Not in ODIs.
 
Batting was not as bad as it's used to be bowling was horrible.

Naseem is an exciting prospect

Babar is growing

Rizwan can bat a little and can keep wickets.

We knew it already but validated Misbah is not a coach and Azhar is not the captain.
 
Pakistan team batted twice in both test but bowled and fielded only once, the only positive.
 
Rizwan taking that bouncer from Cummins in the ribs today and barely flinching. It will have hurt like hell, but he didn't show it, and the Aussie commentators certainly respected it.

If it had been Imam, he would have been rolling round on the floor crying like a little girl.
 
only positives are if Azhar, Asad, Ifti, Imam, Imran khan Jnr are all dropped for SL series after the Australia farce.
 
Rizwan performances have been a big positive for me. Hopefully he can get some big scores against Sri Lanka.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
1. Shaheen is a world class talent and will grow into the leader of the test attack in a couple of years.

2. Naseem Shah is as hostile a quick as any 19 year old in the world.

3. Bobby Azam has once again shown the ability to handle a fast attack in their own backyard just like he did in south Africa.

4. Misbah has been exposed as both coach and selector and need s to be dumped ASAP for the good of Pakistan cricket !
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1. Shaheen is decent but nothing special.

2. 1 match is not a sample size from which this assumption can be made. He has potential and that's it.

3. He is quality and he certainly proved it

4. Flopped hard. So many mistakes on this tour and he has to be accountable.
 
hitthestump said:
1. Shaheen is decent but nothing special.

2. 1 match is not a sample size from which this assumption can be made. He has potential and that's it.

3. He is quality and he certainly proved it

4. Flopped hard. So many mistakes on this tour and he has to be accountable.
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Shaheen is an excellent prospect. He was bowling with guys like Imran khan and Musa who won't even make it to an Australian domestic team. If he had better support , he would have had better numbers and he is only going to get better.
 
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