Positives from the Pakistan tour of New Zealand?

[JibranAnsari]

Faheem Ashraf.

He wasnt terrible with the ball though a few wickets would have helped but proving almost everyone wrong he batted well in the series and scored 186 runs @46.5.

Zafar Gohar

Not an ideal wicket to debut for a spinner , he batted well for a debutant under tough conditions. We can expect him to do well on wickets which have assisstance for spin.

Mohammad Rizwan.

A couple of fumbles behind the wickets but he continued his good form with the bat and became a pakistans keeper with most number of 50s in Sena countries in test matches. He was the highest scorer for pakistan in the series , has any pakistani keeper ever been a top scorer for pakistan in a test series?

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

the only positive i can think is that we were not giving 4 test matches

 

[Shoaib88]

^ Agreed. The only positive from this tour is that we didn't play more than 2 test matches

 

[volcyz]

Needed a 4 test series for Williamson to have a crack at more run records

 

[aukhan]

Rizwan is the only positive.

 

[gazza619]

For me the only positive would be if Waqar, Younus and Misbah combo get fired.

 

[Bewal Express]

Faheem Ashraf.

He wasnt terrible with the ball though a few wickets would have helped but proving almost everyone wrong he batted well in the series and scored 186 runs @46.5.

Zafar Gohar

Not an ideal wicket to debut for a spinner , he batted well for a debutant under tough conditions. We can expect him to do well on wickets which have assisstance for spin.

Mohammad Rizwan.

A couple of fumbles behind the wickets but he continued his good form with the bat and became a pakistans keeper with most number of 50s in Sena countries in test matches. He was the highest scorer for pakistan in the series , has any pakistani keeper ever been a top scorer for pakistan in a test series?

ZGs job was to hold up an end and take the odd wicket. He didnt do either. His batting was good but thats a bonus. As i said yesterday, i would be amazed if not flabbergasted to see him play another game with his bowling.

The batting of Riz, AA and Fawad was solid.

 

[JibranAnsari]

ZGs job was to hold up an end and take the odd wicket. He didnt do either. His batting was good but thats a bonus. As i said yesterday, i would be amazed if not flabbergasted to see him play another game with his bowling.

The batting of Riz, AA and Fawad was solid.

yah tell me again why santner did not play on that wicket ?

 

[Rellu_Katta]

cannot believe we have this thread.... lol ... there is no postive ... only thing is "Fire the fielding coach and bann misbah n waqar from any coaching posts"

 

[Ryw]

The only Positive thing about this Pak tour was Covid 19 Test of few players...

What a shameful defeat. Players with weak confidence, clueless Captain, Misbah&Waqar s poor influence and political selections.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

There were alot of individual positives that would include Azhar Ali and Fawad Alam aswell. But nothing that can be considered substantial. Because none of those individual performances made any difference to the result, and at the end of the day the tour ended in one of the most humiliating defeats in the history of Pakistan cricket.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Positives: Tour is over and we dont have to tour here again probably for a few more years.

Rizwans Batting was a positive.

Plus improvement in Faheems Batting and helping balance of side going forward will be helpful.

 

[Rana]

Hooray
Hooray

we have a wicket keeper batsman who we can compete with

Hooray

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Didn’t get bowled out for 36

 

[Markhor]

That the tour is over. Thank god.

 

[Shazzam]

For me the positive is the century scored by our bowlers. They had the highest score out of all our batsmen.

 

[Rana]

Didn’t get bowled out for 36��

Feels like we have qualified for the semi finals of the world cup considering this

 

[Sherlock]

COVID tests?

 

[Ucdkee]

Boys had a good vacation in new zealand in between which they also played some cricket just to stay fit and healthy

 

[Bewal Express]

yah tell me again why santner did not play on that wicket ?

Because they have seamers that do a better job. Do you think ZG has a future at FC level as a spinner, never mind as test spinner.

 

[Hasan123]

That the tour is over. Thank god.

Literally came here to post that line.

 

[Rohan]

Just an additional blessing in disguise, anyone else with me?

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Shaheen is starting to show potential but a long way to go yet for him in test cricket. Rizwan need to keep this up against SA, the signs are good. Fawad could be a dependable middle order batter for home tests so we have Babar and Fawad in the middle order.

 

[Majid Khan]

The only positive is Pakistan didn’t lose both tests by an innings. And probably another plus is that Shan Masood didn’t do an Audi — 0000

 

[Deewana Mastana]

The only positive is Pakistan didn’t lose both tests by an innings. And probably another plus is that Shan Masood didn’t do an Audi — 0000

Majid's back!

 

[silentkiller187]

Terrible tour, however for a few moments on DAY 2 in the 2nd match we were in the game, 297 on the board we had NZ 79-4 had Shaheen not overstepped. All about if and maybe but if we had taken a wicket there the tails would have been up, instead we drop our heads drop catches and the game is gone. Not saying we would have won however it would have been more competitive if that had gone our way.

Fact is we are currently 7th in the test standings, NZ are number 1 and it showed.

 

[hitthestump]

I think there were a few positives and all of them were batting based. I think Younis Khan must be doing something right in the camp. Even the tail blocked quite a few more balls then we would have expected.

Fawad: Maiden century

Rizwan: Breakthrough series where other countries will now take notice of him

Azhar: Seems to have gotten a lot better lately

Faheem: Nobody knew he could bat like that until this series

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Ah the customary 'positives' thread from yet another disastrous tour.

Actually I see many positives emerging from Pakistan cricket - but right now is the time for combined angry voices. Get professional coaches back in the set up.

If real actions don't happen, this loss will be in vain.

 

[MoJoJoJo]

The second coming of Sir lance faheem klusner, Adam rizwan gilchrist and shiv fawad chanderpaul

 

[Savak]

Shaheen kept racing in, his speeds are up now compared to when he first started his career which shows his body, muscles are getting stronger now to the demands of bowling long spells in international cricket but sadly he has a lot to work on.

The other positive was Rizwan but that dropped catch of Nichol and some poor on field captaincy decisions were a hard pill to swallow.

Faheem Ashraf showed potential with the bat but he has to improve his bowling if he wants to cement his place in the team, i want wickets more than runs from him

No other positives for me. We all knew Fawad Alam was a gritty, determined cricketer who could dip deep and punch above his weight but he is on his final legs of his international career.

Overall a disastrous tour in all facets of the game with more questions than answers

 

[iniqbal223]

Shaheen kept racing in, his speeds are up now compared to when he first started his career which shows his body, muscles are getting stronger now to the demands of bowling long spells in international cricket but sadly he has a lot to work on.

The other positive was Rizwan but that dropped catch of Nichol and some poor on field captaincy decisions were a hard pill to swallow.

Faheem Ashraf showed potential with the bat but he has to improve his bowling if he wants to cement his place in the team, i want wickets more than runs from him

No other positives for me. We all knew Fawad Alam was a gritty, determined cricketer who could dip deep and punch above his weight but he is on his final legs of his international career.

Overall a disastrous tour in all facets of the game with more questions than answers

The only Positive I want to see is when Misbah and Waqar leaves the management

 

[Thunderbolt14]

In the grand scheme of things, it exposed Haris and Shan and has probably ended both of their Test careers once and for all.

Rizwan. Confidence with the bat, as skipper, and understanding the game better.

Fawad’s fairytale redemption (rated by Wisden as Test cricket’s fourth best innings of 2020).

Faheem learning to play the ball late with better balance.

Zafar, Shaheen, and Naseem all getting some confidence with the bat despite losing lots of confidence with the ball.

(From the T20 series)
Shadab’s captaincy. A successful chase... by Pakistan. Rizwan’s batting as opener improving (though still with an asterisk). Faheem’s batting. Shadab’s batting. Shadab’s fielding. Rauf’s bowling. Hafeez’s batting. Wahab getting exposed.

Wahab getting exposed again in the side match. And again.

Rohail making a first class century in foreign conditions against NZ A. Rohail mastering a pretty good chase in the T20 game, showing improvement in power hitting and some unconventional shots. Hussain Talat showing the same.

Usman Qadir performing well in every Shaheens game.

Misbah getting removed as head coach.

 

[Khan12]

Hooray
Hooray

we have a wicket keeper batsman who we can compete with

Hooray

Have some shame. I know rizwan has taken your hero place that dont mean you cry every single minute.

 

[Rana]

Have some shame. I know rizwan has taken your hero place that dont mean you cry every single minute.

I should have shame? You guys have got what you wanted? A wicket keeper who bats and contributes. We still got wiped the floor with.

 

[Khan12]

I should have shame? You guys have got what you wanted? A wicket keeper who bats and contributes. We still got wiped the floor with.

Abd thats his fault right? We are rubbish at the moment thats a fact. We won 1 game and we know who was the person.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Lower Order batting for you guys must be a plus. NZ is a tough tour for most teams nowadays..just go back to the drawing board, pick the domestic performers and get rid of the charlatans

 

[Rana]

Abd thats his fault right? We are rubbish at the moment thats a fact. We won 1 game and we know who was the person.

So what exactly have I said wrong?

You wanted him to replace Sarfaraz because you wanted a competent keeper who doesn’t embarrass us or whatever...here he is.

Where have I criticised him?

 

[Khan12]

So what exactly have I said wrong?

You wanted him to replace Sarfaraz because you wanted a competent keeper who doesn’t embarrass us or whatever...here he is.

Where have I criticised him?

Yes we all know how you think about rizwan.

 

[Rana]

Yes we all know how you think about rizwan.

Does it make a huge difference to what I say or think of him? Am I going to hold the bat and keep wickets on his behalf?

 

[moghul]

Faheem Ashraf.

He wasnt terrible with the ball though a few wickets would have helped but proving almost everyone wrong he batted well in the series and scored 186 runs @46.5.

Zafar Gohar

Not an ideal wicket to debut for a spinner , he batted well for a debutant under tough conditions. We can expect him to do well on wickets which have assisstance for spin.

Mohammad Rizwan.

A couple of fumbles behind the wickets but he continued his good form with the bat and became a pakistans keeper with most number of 50s in Sena countries in test matches. He was the highest scorer for pakistan in the series , has any pakistani keeper ever been a top scorer for pakistan in a test series?

How come Faheem is a positive thing. Bowler's runs count only if they are in addition to his bowling performance. Faheem failed in his primary job, bowling. He has been a failure with bat also , until now .

If Shaan would have taken couple of wickets, I would not have called it a positive thing .

 

[shariqnoor]

Winning the toss and fielding first was a huge positive for me.

Because somehow every Pakistani captain thinks that they should bat first in SENA. With a bowling attack that is currently worse than Bangladesh, batting first in SENA means a humiliation of an innings defeat every single time.

 

[Khan12]

Does it make a huge difference to what I say or think of him? Am I going to hold the bat and keep wickets on his behalf?

Off course not. Then no need to others.

 

[shamaan]

Positives:
Rizwan
Fahim

 

[globalcitizen]

Sorry no positives to find at all. Pakistan cricket and management was shoddy on field and off field

 

[reversehook]

hmmm.... the whooping has halted for time being..

 

[Nasty Naz]

New Zealand tours are quickly becoming like Australian tours.

There are no positives to be taken.

 

[Hitman]

Pakistani fans, don't be offended at my opinion. But only a nimrod would find any positives for Pakistan from this series.

 

[fitCricFan]

For the India bashers, the only positive from this tour is that we helped the Kiwis get the #1 spot in tests

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Pakistani fans, don't be offended at my opinion. But only a nimrod would find any positives for Pakistan from this series.

There are always positives to be found. Just because the negatives are far greater and far more worrying doesn’t mean we shouldn’t identify the strengths (such as Rizwan and Faheem) and ensure those don’t regress as well.

 

[Hitman]

There are always positives to be found. Just because the negatives are far greater and far more worrying doesn’t mean we shouldn’t identify the strengths (such as Rizwan and Faheem) and ensure those don’t regress as well.

You call that positive after what happened?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

You call that positive after what happened?

Yeah? Wasn’t Tendulkar a golden positive for India despite many defeats in the 90s?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Rizwan
Faheem
Abbas and Nassem exposed
It's now proven that Yasir Shah isn't the reason behind Pakistan giving away 400+ totals each and every time.

 

[Hitman]

Yeah? Wasn’t Tendulkar a golden positive for India despite many defeats in the 90s?

Tendulkar was the best batsman of the 90's (minus Zimbabwe), a long, long way ahead of Lara and Steve Waugh. Tendulkar averaged almost 60 in the 90's compared to Steve Waugh's average of 53 odd and Lara's average of 51 odd in the 90's.

Tendulkar scored a century every 4 innings, while Lara scored a century every 9 innings back in the 90's.

That's the reason why Indian fans celebrated him.

 

[Asif321]

No positives Rizwan,Fawad scores were meaningless like Asad Shafiq

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Tendulkar was the best batsman of the 90's (minus Zimbabwe), a long, long way ahead of Lara and Steve Waugh. Tendulkar averaged almost 60 in the 90's compared to Steve Waugh's average of 53 odd and Lara's average of 51 odd in the 90's.

Tendulkar scored a century every 4 innings, while Lara scored a century every 9 innings back in the 90's.

That's the reason why Indian fans celebrated him.

Azharuddin was also celebrated. My point is just that whether the team wins or loses, in any sport, there are always positives and negatives. There are negatives if you win the World Cup or the Test Mace, and there are positives if you are Nepal and your spinner Sandeep Lamichhane is doing well in leagues.

There are some obvious positives such as Rizwan’s batting, and some negatives like Haris Sohail’s batting that if we constructively work on (by replacing him with someone who actually has first class experience, rather than picked on limited overs performances) then I take that as a positive in terms of the direction of cricket.

It’s all about approach and attitude. Obviously I am very worried about the negatives which grossly outweigh the positives, that doesn’t mean there are no positives. If we want to work constructively, we should identify them and ensure these positives turn into strengths, rather than one-off performances by Rizwan and Faheem.

 

[naseem]

Only positive is Misbah loosing face and confidence so much so he is afraid of facing media.....

Bhai international coaching koi baccho ka khel nahi..

The way he is appointed is no less than a match fixing... Hope he will stay in his limit

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Faheem Ashraf.

He wasnt terrible with the ball though a few wickets would have helped but proving almost everyone wrong he batted well in the series and scored 186 runs @46.5.

Zafar Gohar

Not an ideal wicket to debut for a spinner , he batted well for a debutant under tough conditions. We can expect him to do well on wickets which have assisstance for spin.

Mohammad Rizwan.

A couple of fumbles behind the wickets but he continued his good form with the bat and became a pakistans keeper with most number of 50s in Sena countries in test matches. He was the highest scorer for pakistan in the series , has any pakistani keeper ever been a top scorer for pakistan in a test series?

The only positive would be, if this series serves as the last nail in coffin and we get rid of Misbah AND Waqar for good.

 

[Rana]

Plenty of snakes were also exposed on the 5th of January...

 

[the Great Khan]

Positives?

Faheem Ashraf.

and Fawads 100..

nothing else. Rubbish fielding bowling batting. Complete disaster. Probably the worst tour of New Zealand I have ever seen. The coaching was abysmal, the bowling absolute garbage..and fielding well..

I just wish we think about the end of the brief Misbah era after the south africa series no matter the result and move on with a new coach who has a five year plan..these dudoos cant even spell their names properly..