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Hi everyone,

I m dedicating this thread to Bangladesh cricket team. Here we will talk about Bangladesh cricket team, their probable team combination and their chances in the upcoming 2019 world cup.

Personally I feel that this Bangladesh team have it in them what it takes to be a world Cup semifinalist.

Reasons that make me feel confident about this current team

1. Experienced core set of players.

2. Exceptional allrounders.

3. A decent captain who has complete control over his team.

4. One of the best middle orders in the world.

5. Team is in Good form.

6. Almost all the key players r fit and ready for the action.

So what do u think about the chances of BD team in the 2019 world cup?
 
As per rating, I don't think we should expect to make the SF cut and also, our rating is massively inflated by home/Asian performances. However, our WC/ICC record outside Asia is surprisingly better - win against PAK, IND, SAF, ENG - all outside Asia; and a T20 win as well against WIN at J'burg, therefore, indeed a slim chance is there to make the last 4, but that is maximum that we can hope for. Also, that SF spot is subject to several factors going in favor, like

1. The entire squad must be fit for entire distance of 9 games and no injury to key players, we can rotate squad, but that as part of tactics, not as forced upon. Even we can't afford missing any of Tamim, Shakib or Mushi against AFGs, SRL or PAK.

2. As a whole entire squad has to perform to a certain level - we can't afford any baggage in the XI. It's often the lesser players that plays key roles, when underdogs out punch. 20-30 runs or 1-2 wickets doesn't win a game, but if 2-3 contributes like that to support the heavy weights, the sum of total is much more than individual components.

3. The 3 key players that I have mentioned have to be at their top form. Couple of top performers can pull an average bunch of performing players to punch well above weight; but if average players are to carry any of the "stars", it's going to be a long, long tournament.

4. The combination has to be spot on by every game and has to be ruthless when necessary - if Mustafiz, Miraz or Mahmudullah doesn't fit into the requirement, we have to be harsh, just one example. Each & every player must know their role, scope & expectations. Englishman Rhodes is the Coach, therefore absolutely no excuses if there is a selection error or tactical blunder.

5. Must have to take our opportunities - can't lose a single game from an upper hand that we expect to win or fight hard. In such format, more than creating surprises, it's important that you make your advantage count - one surprise win over AUS, ENG, SAF or IND won't take us to SF if we lose against AFGs.

6. If not good luck, we have to pray that bad luck doesn't hurt at wrong time. Bad luck could be in different forms - a vital toss, weather intervention, unwanted injury at wrong time, marginal calls going against us, crucial catch dropped, key batsman run-out/played on ... etc. There'll be some, but net, net it's essential that we are in positive.

7. Above all, Someone has to wish - so, divine blessings are required for any team achieving any success, let alone over achieving.
 
A lot will depend on how Tamim and Sarkar start the inning. If they give the momentum, the middle order of Mushfiq, Shakib, and Mahmudullah can take the team to a match winning score. Bangladesh’s main problem is their bowling. There’s not a single bowler who is capable of performing outside Asia.
 
No way Bangladesh will make the semis. Bowling is too bad
 
I think we can win max 2/3 games. Anymore and we will be lucky
 
Favourite to win the worldcup .The only side that can stop them is england.
 
They can get into the SF, slim chance but can't rule them out. I am guessing that one team with 5 wins might sneak into the final four, Bangladesh is capable of that. Also rain should be in their favor, especially against top sides like England, Australia.
 
No chance, bowlers win you tournaments especially in this modern era on flat English pitches, where run scoring is pretty easy.

If you don't have quality bowlers, you won't win the tournament as somewhere your batting will flop.

All the 7 teams that have a chance to win the WC as per common opinion have pretty good fast bowlers. Ex:

Australia: Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazelwood, Patrick Cummins
Pakistan: Mohammad Amir, Shaheen Afridi, Hasan Ali
New Zealand: Trent Boult, Tim Southee, Lockie Ferguson
India: Jasprit Bumrah, B Kumar, Mohammad Shami
England: Chris Woakes, Jofra Archer, Mark Wood
West Indies: Kemar Roach, Jason Holder, Sheldon Cotrell
South Africa: Dale Steyn, Kagiso Rabada, Lungi Ngidi


3 Teams that aren't considered, don't have these pace bowlers with such skills to perform in England and won't win the WC most probably.
 
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Bangladesh should try something different, make Liton and Sarkar open and ask them to copy Sanath-Kalu of 1996 WC. On flat pitches it is quite possible, all teams except the host nation are very conservative in the first 10 overs and hence under-utilize the best batting period. Bangladesh have to be innovative, if they play their normal game they might have a decent campaign with say 3/4 good wins, 6/5 losses but to get into semis a weaker team will have to think out of the box. I am not familiar with all Bangladeshi players but those who are more knowledgeable can identify such X factors and surprise weapons.

Like an ordinary GM playing unconventional openings, using cheap tricks and sneaky tactical traps, mind games to upset a strong GM who is traditional in his approach, with normal play overcoming a stronger adversary is very tough. ODI cricket is like rapid chess, so it isn't that upset-proof.
 
Realistically, you have no chance but if you can get to the semis that would be a big achievement.
 
A lot will depend on how Tamim and Sarkar start the inning. If they give the momentum, the middle order of Mushfiq, Shakib, and Mahmudullah can take the team to a match winning score. Bangladesh’s main problem is their bowling. There’s not a single bowler who is capable of performing outside Asia.

Good analysis.

Totally agree with the first point. We have a non existing Lower order. We rely heavily on our middle order. So, a good start will definitely make their job a lot easier.

Not really sure what's wrong with our Lower order batters. They used to be solid with their technique in the past and now most of them seem to have forgotten how to hold a bat and support a genuine batsman. Even, mashrafe who used to be a sensible hitter now does nothing other than slogging blindly.

As far as our bowling is concerned, I don't agree with ur assessment. We have good variety in our attack. Fizz is good with both new and old ball, has lots of varieties and most importantly he's quite intelligent. Mashrafe has been performing exceptionally well in last 1 or 1.5 years with the new ball. But yes, he's terrible in death overs.

Miraz and shakib both of them r excellent spinners, yes, even on flat decks and can contain the batters in the middle overs.

Our main problem is a 5th bowler as well as one specialist death over bowler to support fizz at the back end of the innigs.
 
No chance, bowlers win you tournaments especially in this modern era on flat English pitches, where run scoring is pretty easy.

If you don't have quality bowlers, you won't win the tournament as somewhere your batting will flop.

All the 7 teams that have a chance to win the WC as per common opinion have pretty good fast bowlers. Ex:

Australia: Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazelwood, Patrick Cummins
Pakistan: Mohammad Amir, Shaheen Afridi, Hasan Ali
New Zealand: Trent Boult, Tim Southee, Lockie Ferguson
India: Jasprit Bumrah, B Kumar, Mohammad Shami
England: Chris Woakes, Jofra Archer, Mark Wood
West Indies: Kemar Roach, Jason Holder, Sheldon Cotrell
South Africa: Dale Steyn, Kagiso Rabada, Lungi Ngidi


3 Teams that aren't considered, don't have these pace bowlers with such skills to perform in England and won't win the WC most probably.

Sorry my friend, ur assessment is true for test format.

However, batters and all rounders r the ones who win odi matches for their teams these days.

England is a solid odi team not because they have an excellent bowling attack but because of the fact that they can bat really deep. This allows their top order to play freely and constantly post scores above 300 on the board.
 
Sorry my friend, ur assessment is true for test format.

However, batters and all rounders r the ones who win odi matches for their teams these days.

England is a solid odi team not because they have an excellent bowling attack but because of the fact that they can bat really deep. This allows their top order to play freely and constantly post scores above 300 on the board.

That's the thing with Bangladesh. They neither have a world class batting lineup nor do they have a world class bowling lineup.
 
Sorry my friend, ur assessment is true for test format.

However, batters and all rounders r the ones who win odi matches for their teams these days.

England is a solid odi team not because they have an excellent bowling attack but because of the fact that they can bat really deep. This allows their top order to play freely and constantly post scores above 300 on the board.

I don't agree bro, if you have good bowlers you will have the ability to restrict a team to a total within reach.

Pakistan won the Champions Trophy by winning each game when restricting the opposition below 240 in England on flat pitches in 2017.

Despite their monstrous batting line-up, England lost CT and rarely win tournaments. Still, I think they have pace bowlers which can bowl at express pace(Wood), swing the New ball(Woakes) and a young sensation(Archer), these bowlers can atleast support their batting especially at their home.

Bangladeshi bowlers are even a level below English bowlers outside SC, and that says something. I don't think they can defend any score their batting gets comfortably.
 
Hi everyone,

I m dedicating this thread to Bangladesh cricket team. Here we will talk about Bangladesh cricket team, their probable team combination and their chances in the upcoming 2019 world cup.

Personally I feel that this Bangladesh team have it in them what it takes to be a world Cup semifinalist.

Reasons that make me feel confident about this current team

1. Experienced core set of players.

2. Exceptional allrounders.

3. A decent captain who has complete control over his team.

4. One of the best middle orders in the world.

5. Team is in Good form.

6. Almost all the key players r fit and ready for the action.

So what do u think about the chances of BD team in the 2019 world cup?

Don't get me wrong, I don't entirely disagree with your points, but I really don't think BD can be in the top 4 with probably the worst bowling attack for English conditions.
 
Bangladesh have got a 'India at 83' chance to win the entire thing. Realistic but improbable. But improbable things happen all the time in sports and that's why we love it.
 
England is a solid odi team not because they have an excellent bowling attack but because of the fact that they can bat really deep. This allows their top order to play freely and constantly post scores above 300 on the board.

You are right, England is a solid team because they have some freakishly talented and explosive batters and their batting often hides their bowling woes but BD doesn't have a batting line up half as strong as the English and your bowling just has too many holes even for a freakish batting to patch and cover.

BTW English bowling with Adil, Plunkett, Wokes, Stokes and Joffra is pretty decent if not excellent.
 
I think they only beat Sri Lanka, will end up loosing to Afghanistan and West Indies as well.
 
Bangladesh should beat both Sri Lanka and Afghanistan. If they win any other games I think they'd be pretty happy, although I doubt it'll happen, they'll have a chance against the WI and us, but it is still unlikely that they'll win more than 2 matches.
 
Bangladesh should beat both Sri Lanka and Afghanistan. If they win any other games I think they'd be pretty happy, although I doubt it'll happen, they'll have a chance against the WI and us, but it is still unlikely that they'll win more than 2 matches.

Nice. I like the way u predicted the outcome of the match against individual oppositions.

Bangladesh will start as favourite against 4 oppositions

#1. Against srilanka I expect our team to come out on top. Sl is going thorough some internal problems and overall Sl team isn't in good form.

#2. Personally I believe that against Pakistan the match will be 60-40 on BD's favor. Reasons being BD's superior record in recent past. BD have been playing really well against Pakistan in last 4/5 years and in most of those matches Pak got totally outplayed. I think these good memories will give them a tremendous amount of self confidence.

#3. Against WI the match will be in 70-30 in. Bd's favor. As a matter of fact I will be really surprised if Bangladesh don't give a dominating performance against WI. Just couple of months back WI got completely whitewashed in both the formats. Yes, pitches I'm eng will be a bit different. But looking at the recent past record, I don't think WI will manage to compete against us.


#4 Against AFG we should win comfortably. Bur problem is we r great in losing matches against poor oppositions due to our overconfidence. Afg has exploited that fact in the past. But if we don't get complacent and play to our potential, don't think Afg stand a chance against us.


That leaves out Aus, NZ, SA and INDIA. These r the top dogs and all of them r in good form. But we always play well against NZ. Won't be surprised if we beat them in the wc as well.
 
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Nice. I like the way u predicted the outcome of the match against individual oppositions.

Bangladesh will start as favourite against 4 oppositions

#1. Against srilanka I expect our team to come out on top. Sl is going thorough some internal problems and overall Sl team isn't in good form.

#2. Personally I believe that against Pakistan the match will be 60-40 on BD's favor. Reasons being BD's superior record in recent past. BD have been playing really well against Pakistan in last 4/5 years and in most of those matches Pak got totally outplayed. I think these good memories will give them a tremendous amount of self confidence.

#3. Against WI the match will be in 70-30 in. Bd's favor. As a matter of fact I will be really surprised if Bangladesh don't give a dominating performance against WI. Just couple of months back WI got completely whitewashed in both the formats. Yes, pitches I'm eng will be a bit different. But looking at the recent past record, I don't think WI will manage to compete against us.


#4 Against AFG we should win comfortably. Bur problem is we r great in losing matches against poor oppositions due to our overconfidence. Afg has exploited that fact in the past. But if we don't get complacent and play to our potential, don't think Afg stand a chance against us.


That leaves out Aus, NZ, SA and INDIA. These r the top dogs and all of them r in good form. But we always play well against NZ. Won't be surprised if we beat them in the wc as well.

No.2 is just WRONG. U beat us 3 out of those 4 times in 2015 and in Ban. The fourth time u beat us in the uae. These conditions are nothing like England. U're making it seem like u played us 10 times in the last 3/4 and beat us 8 times. With all due respect you have a low chance of beating us in the WC.
 
Bangladesh have improved leaps and bounds as a ODI Team inside the Subcontinent in the past few years and they can be expected to give a tough fight to Top teams occasionally inside it, but to expect them to beat Pakistan outside Asia currently is same as believing that Zimbabwe C will beat Australia in Australia.
 
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No chance, bowlers win you tournaments especially in this modern era on flat English pitches, where run scoring is pretty easy.

If you don't have quality bowlers, you won't win the tournament as somewhere your batting will flop.

All the 7 teams that have a chance to win the WC as per common opinion have pretty good fast bowlers. Ex:

Australia: Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazelwood, Patrick Cummins
Pakistan: Mohammad Amir, Shaheen Afridi, Hasan Ali
New Zealand: Trent Boult, Tim Southee, Lockie Ferguson
India: Jasprit Bumrah, B Kumar, Mohammad Shami
England: Chris Woakes, Jofra Archer, Mark Wood
West Indies: Kemar Roach, Jason Holder, Sheldon Cotrell
South Africa: Dale Steyn, Kagiso Rabada, Lungi Ngidi


3 Teams that aren't considered, don't have these pace bowlers with such skills to perform in England and won't win the WC most probably.

Bangladesh has no chance to win the world cup but neither does Pakistan. It is only you and other Pakistanis who think Pakistan has a chance lol. It is not common opinion. You just got whitewashed at home by an Australia C team.
 
If you believe a semi final is success you have failed already.

It depends who you're talking about. For Afg it may be a success as this is only their second world cup. But for Bangladesh a country that has been playing for many years it will be considered a success for them coz nothing is really being expected of them. In that case you could say it's a failure due to how long Bangladesh has been playing for.
 
Well frankly speaking i cannot see this hapenning. But then who knows. It could be Tamim Iqbal’s tournament. They also have a beast in Shakib.
 
Bangladesh has no chance to win the world cup but neither does Pakistan. It is only you and other Pakistanis who think Pakistan has a chance lol. It is not common opinion. You just got whitewashed at home by an Australia C team.

Some pretty knowledgeable experts along with retired legends and current players of all teams have tipped Pakistan as favorites for the WC with some other teams, but nobody has said that BD even has a chance to qualify for SF, but yeah a random poster like you would know more.

Which Australia C team? That refused to play with Bangladesh or give them a invitation to Australian tour?

As, against us they played their full strength strength team with all the players available playing, and we were the ones who played our C or D Team to give chances to new players.
 
Some pretty knowledgeable experts along with retired legends and current players of all teams have tipped Pakistan as favorites for the WC with some other teams, but nobody has said that BD even has a chance to qualify for SF, but yeah a random poster like you would know more.

Which Australia C team? That refused to play with Bangladesh or give them a invitation to Australian tour?

As, against us they played their full strength strength team with all the players available playing, and we were the ones who played our C or D Team to give chances to new players.

Exactly. What chance do Bangladesh really have?? Like honestly. A team that doesn't have a single away bilateral series win against the top 5 sides in its odi history is, firstly going to win at least 5 matches in the group stage and then win 2 in a row against potentially the two strongest teams in the world. In comparison, that is the same chance which pak hockey had to win the recently concluded Hockey WC.
 
Nice. I like the way u predicted the outcome of the match against individual oppositions.

Bangladesh will start as favourite against 4 oppositions

#1. Against srilanka I expect our team to come out on top. Sl is going thorough some internal problems and overall Sl team isn't in good form.

#2. Personally I believe that against Pakistan the match will be 60-40 on BD's favor. Reasons being BD's superior record in recent past. BD have been playing really well against Pakistan in last 4/5 years and in most of those matches Pak got totally outplayed. I think these good memories will give them a tremendous amount of self confidence.

#3. Against WI the match will be in 70-30 in. Bd's favor. As a matter of fact I will be really surprised if Bangladesh don't give a dominating performance against WI. Just couple of months back WI got completely whitewashed in both the formats. Yes, pitches I'm eng will be a bit different. But looking at the recent past record, I don't think WI will manage to compete against us.


#4 Against AFG we should win comfortably. Bur problem is we r great in losing matches against poor oppositions due to our overconfidence. Afg has exploited that fact in the past. But if we don't get complacent and play to our potential, don't think Afg stand a chance against us.


That leaves out Aus, NZ, SA and INDIA. These r the top dogs and all of them r in good form. But we always play well against NZ. Won't be surprised if we beat them in the wc as well.

I would agree with you about your match vs WI if the tournament was in the subcontinent. I don't think the Bangladeshi bowlers will be able to contain the West Indian batsmen, and Oshane Thomas will probably dismantle the weak batting with pure pace.

3/4 games that you guys won against us in the last 5 years were four years ago, the team is pretty much completely different. Our team was completely out of sorts during the Asia Cup, but no doubt you guys did outplay us back in September. This time though, I think it'll be different. In England, your spinners will be less effective, and you're fast bowling is nowhere near as good as ours. You guys will have a chance but I would say that mach is 75-25 in favour of Pakistan.
 
You may have the batting department covered but bowlers are your main concerns. I can't see you guys win more than 3 games. Too reliant on senior players.
 
"Bangladesh starts as favourites against Pakistan.... "

Ab ye bhi din dekhne pad gayi! :facepalm:
 
On topic , I think Bangladesh can reach the semis but chances are quite slim.
They should be pleased if they finish in the top 6. Their bowling is associate level in English conditions.
 
No.2 is just WRONG. U beat us 3 out of those 4 times in 2015 and in Ban. The fourth time u beat us in the uae. These conditions are nothing like England. U're making it seem like u played us 10 times in the last 3/4 and beat us 8 times. With all due respect you have a low chance of beating us in the WC.

Agree, Bangladesh fans just don't know the reality the 3 games they beat us in Bangladeshw e had Azhar Ali as captain and were trying a new team. Also, this lads confident he will beat West Indies it is gonna be aone sided match, West Indies will demolish them.

You need proper fast bowlers to win in England, Bangladesh has none.
 
Don't agree with anyone who thinks a team can reach semis but not go beyond. It's a knockout game and anything can happen on the day.

Bangladesh mindset has to be right. I believe their biggest problem is getting ahead of themselves by promising or dreaming too big too soon.

Stay grounded, pick the 4 or 5 games they can win and make sure they are ready for those. Count on an upset on one big game and what do you know, semis can happen. A bit like a UEFA cup run.

Every team in the world cup is there for a reason. They belong to the elite.
 
Agree, Bangladesh fans just don't know the reality the 3 games they beat us in Bangladeshw e had Azhar Ali as captain and were trying a new team. Also, this lads confident he will beat West Indies it is gonna be aone sided match, West Indies will demolish them.

You need proper fast bowlers to win in England, Bangladesh has none.

Assumptions r made based on historical data, ok?

How have u come to the conclusion that WI will beat BD? Sadly, u have made ur assumption based on ur personal whim, not on actual facts.

WI got whitewashed the previous time they played a series against BD. They also lost the series in their own backyard against Bangladesh.

A team that got blown away away in the last two odi series they have played against BD is expected to lose against BD in the wc as well. If they somehow manage to win against BD it will be an upset. But upsets do happen in cricket.

As for Pakistan,

The Bangladesh team that beat Pakistan 4 times in a row is still the same. Players will feel confident from the way they hammered Pak in their last outings.
 
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I would agree with you about your match vs WI if the tournament was in the subcontinent. I don't think the Bangladeshi bowlers will be able to contain the West Indian batsmen, and Oshane Thomas will probably dismantle the weak batting with pure pace.

3/4 games that you guys won against us in the last 5 years were four years ago, the team is pretty much completely different. Our team was completely out of sorts during the Asia Cup, but no doubt you guys did outplay us back in September. This time though, I think it'll be different. In England, your spinners will be less effective, and you're fast bowling is nowhere near as good as ours. You guys will have a chance but I would say that mach is 75-25 in favour of Pakistan.

My friend,

We r talking about odis here, not tests.

Pitches r more or less same across different countries in odis. Yes, host countries still get massive advantage but its not as much as they get in tests.

Pitches in England will be extremely flat with little to no lateral movement.
 
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Assumptions r made based on historical data, ok?

How have u come to the conclusion that WI will beat BD? Sadly, u have made ur assumption based on ur personal whim, not on actual facts.

WI got whitewashed the previous time they played a series against BD. They also lost the series in their own backyard against Bangladesh.

A team that got blown away away in the last two odi series they have played against BD is expected to lose against BD in the wc as well. If they somehow manage to win against BD it will be an upset. But upsets do happen in cricket.

As for Pakistan,

The Bangladesh team that beat Pakistan 4 times in a row is still the same. Players will feel confident from the way they hammered Pak in their last outings.

Why do you keep on banging on about those 4 wins?? What part of '3 out of those 4 were in 2015' don't you understand? You've achieved nothing significant in your whole cricketing history. You got beaten by Afg in the asia cup. Confidence is nothing compared to skill. Many teams have confidence but confidence doesn't win you matches.
 
Pitches in England will be extremely flat with little to no lateral movement.

That's exactly why Bangladesh will start as underdogs against Pakistan. Our imams and Babars will feast on those flat tracks against your bowlers and will put up too big a total for you to chase or chase whatever you put up. Face the reality, if there is no assistance for spinners , Bangladesh can't win against anyone period.
 
As per rating, I don't think we should expect to make the SF cut and also, our rating is massively inflated by home/Asian performances. However, our WC/ICC record outside Asia is surprisingly better - win against PAK, IND, SAF, ENG - all outside Asia; and a T20 win as well against WIN at J'burg, therefore, indeed a slim chance is there to make the last 4, but that is maximum that we can hope for. Also, that SF spot is subject to several factors going in favor, like

1. The entire squad must be fit for entire distance of 9 games and no injury to key players, we can rotate squad, but that as part of tactics, not as forced upon. Even we can't afford missing any of Tamim, Shakib or Mushi against AFGs, SRL or PAK.

2. As a whole entire squad has to perform to a certain level - we can't afford any baggage in the XI. It's often the lesser players that plays key roles, when underdogs out punch. 20-30 runs or 1-2 wickets doesn't win a game, but if 2-3 contributes like that to support the heavy weights, the sum of total is much more than individual components.

3. The 3 key players that I have mentioned have to be at their top form. Couple of top performers can pull an average bunch of performing players to punch well above weight; but if average players are to carry any of the "stars", it's going to be a long, long tournament.

4. The combination has to be spot on by every game and has to be ruthless when necessary - if Mustafiz, Miraz or Mahmudullah doesn't fit into the requirement, we have to be harsh, just one example. Each & every player must know their role, scope & expectations. Englishman Rhodes is the Coach, therefore absolutely no excuses if there is a selection error or tactical blunder.

5. Must have to take our opportunities - can't lose a single game from an upper hand that we expect to win or fight hard. In such format, more than creating surprises, it's important that you make your advantage count - one surprise win over AUS, ENG, SAF or IND won't take us to SF if we lose against AFGs.

6. If not good luck, we have to pray that bad luck doesn't hurt at wrong time. Bad luck could be in different forms - a vital toss, weather intervention, unwanted injury at wrong time, marginal calls going against us, crucial catch dropped, key batsman run-out/played on ... etc. There'll be some, but net, net it's essential that we are in positive.

7. Above all, Someone has to wish - so, divine blessings are required for any team achieving any success, let alone over achieving.

Excellent analysis.

Do u think we will play with two spinners? (shakib and miraz)

What about the 5th bowler? Who should play the role? If we play miraz and shakib, then fifth bowler should be fast bowling all-rounder. Someone like forhad reja.

Do we have any other fast bowling all rounder?
 
That's exactly why Bangladesh will start as underdogs against Pakistan. Our imams and Babars will feast on those flat tracks against your bowlers and will put up too big a total for you to chase or chase whatever you put up. Face the reality, if there is no assistance for spinners , Bangladesh can't win against anyone period.

I think anyone would agree with the fact that BD batting lineup is far more stronger than Pakistan.

As far as playing aggressively is concerned, with all due respect to Pak batters, I don't think any of them come closer to tamim, soumya, sabbir and shakib.

The only thing that's in favor of Pak batters is their maturity. Our batters have all the abilities but they play way too aggressively while Pak batters r more methodical in their approach.

But, in terms of explosiveness and aggressive batting Bangladesh is quite ahead.
 
Why do you keep on banging on about those 4 wins?? What part of '3 out of those 4 were in 2015' don't you understand? You've achieved nothing significant in your whole cricketing history. You got beaten by Afg in the asia cup. Confidence is nothing compared to skill. Many teams have confidence but confidence doesn't win you matches.

Bud,

I don't think u should've mentioned Asia Cup here.

We were the finalist of Asia Cup.

We Beat Pakistan in front of their home crowd with our second string team.

Almost won the final but couldn't do so due to biased umpiring.

Anyway, that's not the point of this discussion. What I'm saying is BD will be mentally strong the next time they will face Pakistan based on their superior past recored in last 3/4 years against them.
 
I think anyone would agree with the fact that BD batting lineup is far more stronger than Pakistan.

As far as playing aggressively is concerned, with all due respect to Pak batters, I don't think any of them come closer to tamim, soumya, sabbir and shakib.

The only thing that's in favor of Pak batters is their maturity. Our batters have all the abilities but they play way too aggressively while Pak batters r more methodical in their approach.

But, in terms of explosiveness and aggressive batting Bangladesh is quite ahead.

Only Tamim and Mushfiq will get to the Pak playing eleven. Whereas Imam, Babar, Haris , Malik and Hafeez would walk into your eleven. Tell me how is Bangladesh's batting line up stronger than Pakistan's?

It doesn't matter if you play aggressively or methodically, all that matters is the end score you put up. I would happily take a 270/5 in 50 overs over 225 all-out in 38 overs. We all saw how strong and aggressive your batting line up is when you can't even build on from 120/0 and get shot out for 225 without even playing the quota of 50 overs. ( Asia cup final against India)
 
Bud,

I don't think u should've mentioned Asia Cup here.

We were the finalist of Asia Cup.

We Beat Pakistan in front of their home crowd with our second string team.

Almost won the final but couldn't do so due to biased umpiring.

Anyway, that's not the point of this discussion. What I'm saying is BD will be mentally strong the next time they will face Pakistan based on their superior past recored in last 3/4 years against them.

And yes biased umpiring. Your team is not that strong that a team like India would use umpires to beat you. That would be money down the drain for them. Anyways, there were no wrong decisions that day, and that Das guy was clearly out. Come up with better excuses next time.

And what second string team are you talking about ? Even we were playing a second string team (Imad, Hafeez, and Haris weren't there). So stop babbling on about it.
 
Bangladesh will win maximum 3 matches may be 4. Considering our pathetic selector we will be under dog against Bangladesh, Afghanistan and one of WI/SL.
 
Bud,

I don't think u should've mentioned Asia Cup here.

We were the finalist of Asia Cup.

We Beat Pakistan in front of their home crowd with our second string team.

Almost won the final but couldn't do so due to biased umpiring.

Anyway, that's not the point of this discussion. What I'm saying is BD will be mentally strong the next time they will face Pakistan based on their superior past recored in last 3/4 years against them.

May be Bangladesh should rest Mahmudullah, Tamim, Shakib and Mushfiq for matches against us.
 
Bangladesh has no chance to win the world cup but neither does Pakistan. It is only you and other Pakistanis who think Pakistan has a chance lol. It is not common opinion. You just got whitewashed at home by an Australia C team.

Unfortunately that is so true. Inzi and Micky have failed to build a decent team for 4 years.
 
Only Tamim and Mushfiq will get to the Pak playing eleven. Whereas Imam, Babar, Haris , Malik and Hafeez would walk into your eleven. Tell me how is Bangladesh's batting line up stronger than Pakistan's?

It doesn't matter if you play aggressively or methodically, all that matters is the end score you put up. I would happily take a 270/5 in 50 overs over 225 all-out in 38 overs. We all saw how strong and aggressive your batting line up is when you can't even build on from 120/0 and get shot out for 225 without even playing the quota of 50 overs. ( Asia cup final against India)

That's ur opinion and I respect that.

But it doesn't change the fact that a batting line up consisting Shakib, Tamim, Mushfiqur and Mahmadullah is far superior than a batting lineup consisting imam, Babar Harris and malik. Personally I don't think apart from Babar and Hasan Ali, any single Pak player would manage to enter Bangladesh team.

As for Asia Cup final,

I agree that we have lost the match from a winning position. But biased umpiring played a major role in that match. But yes, we have lost many matches from the winning position in the past. As a matter of fact, I think, we r the biggest chokers in cricket right now.

We have loads of potential, superior batters and good bowlers but still sometimes we lose winning matches due to the mental handicapness of our young players. I expect our team to solve this problem with more experience.
 
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Bud,

I don't think u should've mentioned Asia Cup here.

We were the finalist of Asia Cup.

We Beat Pakistan in front of their home crowd with our second string team.

Almost won the final but couldn't do so due to biased umpiring.

Anyway, that's not the point of this discussion. What I'm saying is BD will be mentally strong the next time they will face Pakistan based on their superior past recored in last 3/4 years against them.

You lost all the reliability when you talked about biased umpiring. You're no use to talk to. So bye.
 
That's ur opinion and I respect that.

But it doesn't change the fact that a batting line up consisting Shakib, Tamim, Mushfiqur and Mahmadullah is far superior than a batting lineup consisting imam, Babar Harris and malik. Personally I don't think apart from Babar and Hasan Ali, any single Pak player would manage to enter Bangladesh team.

As for Asia Cup final,

I agree that we have lost the match from a winning position. But biased umpiring played a major role in that match. But yes, we have lost many matches from the winning position in the past. As a matter of fact, I think, we r the biggest chokers in cricket right now.

We have loads of potential, superior batters and good bowlers but still sometimes we lose winning matches due to the mental handicapness of our young players. I expect our team to solve this problem with more experience.

My God you're so biased. Lol at the person whi thinks Bangladesh's batting lineup is better than pak's.
 
Excellent analysis.

Do u think we will play with two spinners? (shakib and miraz)

What about the 5th bowler? Who should play the role? If we play miraz and shakib, then fifth bowler should be fast bowling all-rounder. Someone like forhad reja.

Do we have any other fast bowling all rounder?

I think, that off-spin spot should be fought between Mahmudullah & Miraz. Off-spinners are hardly attacking option, rather they are used to choke scoring & sneak into a pressure wicket sometimes, mostly from score board pressure and bowling intelligence - in that role Mahmudullah is quite experienced & efficient.

Ideally, Mashrafee should have been dropped for Saifuddin, but at this 11th hour Mash is essential to lead the side. We might see Shakib leading in course of 9 games (Mash's knee won't last long for more than 2-3 games at one go), but he'll start the tournament and deserving so. Other 2 pacers will be Taskin & most likely Mustafiz. Last few months whenever he has played, Saifuddin has opened bowling, which suggests once Taskin is back, they won't give Mustafiz new ball - it's Mash/Saif + Taskin.

Over the entire last season (after Rhodes has taken charge), I have noticed Soumya has been bowling his full quota for Abahani & West Zone almost every time, has bowled lots of overs in FC as well, and he reached 130K+ occasionally, which suggests they are planning to extract few seem-up overs from him, may be as 2nd change - that means Miraz ian't certain to start.

1. Tamim
2. Liton/Mithun (If Mithun is picked, he'll bat at 6-7, Sabbir might bat at 3)
3. Soumya
4. Mushi+
5. Shakib
6. Mahmudullah
7. Sabbir
8. Saifuddin/Miraz/Rubel (Obviously, if selected, Rubel will bat at 10)
9. Mash*
10. Taskin
11. Mustafiz

That's a decent batting line-up, but 5 bowlers have to be at their peak for any hope of reaching SF.
 
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That's ur opinion and I respect that.

But it doesn't change the fact that a batting line up consisting Shakib, Tamim, Mushfiqur and Mahmadullah is far superior than a batting lineup consisting imam, Babar Harris and malik. Personally I don't think apart from Babar and Hasan Ali, any single Pak player would manage to enter Bangladesh team.

As for Asia Cup final,

I agree that we have lost the match from a winning position. But biased umpiring played a major role in that match. But yes, we have lost many matches from the winning position in the past. As a matter of fact, I think, we r the biggest chokers in cricket right now.

We have loads of potential, superior batters and good bowlers but still sometimes we lose winning matches due to the mental handicapness of our young players. I expect our team to solve this problem with more experience.

Would like a comparison of BD batsmen and Pak batsmen averages and SR, I guess that might negate your point about batting. Kindly dont bring playing against minnows and Zim into it as BD has played more against them.
 
Only Tamim and Mushfiq will get to the Pak playing eleven. Whereas Imam, Babar, Haris , Malik and Hafeez would walk into your eleven. Tell me how is Bangladesh's batting line up stronger than Pakistan's?

It doesn't matter if you play aggressively or methodically, all that matters is the end score you put up. I would happily take a 270/5 in 50 overs over 225 all-out in 38 overs. We all saw how strong and aggressive your batting line up is when you can't even build on from 120/0 and get shot out for 225 without even playing the quota of 50 overs. ( Asia cup final against India)

Mahmudullah and Shakib will also make the Pakistan team for batting at #6 and #7. They are both better than Akmal, Asif, Imad, Shadab, etc. Tamim may also make the team if Fakhar continues failing.
 
no one can take Bangladesh lightly, their main issue is they are not able to finish the game and have a tendency to give away the match in the crunch time
 
Pak and BD both will be knocked out by the time they play each other.

Whatever chance Pak has is based on past glory and history. Also in Eng even likes of Rahat Ali and Rumman Raees becomes dangerous. On current form though they have something like 3W 16L. Also, I find it silly when some PP mentions things like Pakistan is more accustomed to English conditions as if Eng, NZ, RSA, Aus and Ind are less accustomed.

For BD, I have come to conclusion that they are a mediocre side with no target or plan.
 
My friend,

We r talking about odis here, not tests.

Pitches r more or less same across different countries in odis. Yes, host countries still get massive advantage but its not as much as they get in tests.

Pitches in England will be extremely flat with little to no lateral movement.

Pitches in the UAE are very different to pitches in England. Same for the WI, the tracks there tend to be slow and sluggish.
 
Pak and BD both will be knocked out by the time they play each other.

Whatever chance Pak has is based on past glory and history. Also in Eng even likes of Rahat Ali and Rumman Raees becomes dangerous. On current form though they have something like 3W 16L. Also, I find it silly when some PP mentions things like Pakistan is more accustomed to English conditions as if Eng, NZ, RSA, Aus and Ind are less accustomed.

For BD, I have come to conclusion that they are a mediocre side with no target or plan.

This is a pretty good post which explains this situation clearly.
 
Only Tamim and Mushfiq will get to the Pak playing eleven. Whereas Imam, Babar, Haris , Malik and Hafeez would walk into your eleven.

Not sure if you're trying to be serious actually or just trolling the bangladeshi fans :23:
 
They don't stand a chance of making the semi finals, especially considering the format this year. There is no way Bangladesh could consistently beat top teams in English conditions.
 
Not sure why my fellow posters need to act so goody goody and give diplomatic responses like "BD is a good team but they have slim chance to reach top 4" or "It depends on how Tamim bats" or "BD surely can surprise few teams" etc etc.

I was reading all the posts and not a single honest reply. The fact is BD is a rubbish cricket team and have got absolutely ZERO chance what so ever in WC 2019. This should have been the unanimous response. Trust me...many posters knows this already but somehow try to act diplomatic and dont call spade a spade.

A team that has yet to win even a tri series in their history is dreaming about world cup semi final spot? Lol. They would do good even if they win 1 game.
#FACT
 
Realistically, you have no chance but if you can get to the semis that would be a big achievement.

Not sure why my fellow posters need to act so goody goody and give diplomatic responses like "BD is a good team but they have slim chance to reach top 4" or "It depends on how Tamim bats" or "BD surely can surprise few teams" etc etc.

I was reading all the posts and not a single honest reply. The fact is BD is a rubbish cricket team and have got absolutely ZERO chance what so ever in WC 2019. This should have been the unanimous response. Trust me...many posters knows this already but somehow try to act diplomatic and dont call spade a spade.

A team that has yet to win even a tri series in their history is dreaming about world cup semi final spot? Lol. They would do good even if they win 1 game.
#FACT
People are just sugercoating it just to appear more civil. It's obvious Ban have no chance. This isn't like 2015 where you beat one top team (England) and make it to the semis. Honestly, Bangladesh is probably the second worst team in this world cup (maybe even the worst). There may have to be many upsets for them to make it. What's the realistic chance of that happening?
 
possibilities of success?
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

there's is your probability of success. it is so small, that calculating it's probability is subjected to vanishing gradient problem.

Comrade Lenin rising from his grave has a greater probability of success.
 
Being dead serious.

I know u r finding these facts quite bitter, but truth is always bitter my friend.

Baring Babar and Hasan Ali not a single Pak player will manage to enter the current Bangladesh team.

Babar's consistency and his slow/steady playing style will be helpful for a team like Bangladesh which is filled with explosive attacking batters.

Hasan Ali with his batting ability will strengthen the lower order of the Bangladesh batting lineup.

Apart from these two, Bangladesh has superior player almost in every position. Players like tamim, shakib, Mushfiqur, Fizz, mahamudullah will walk into the Pak team any day.
 
People are just sugercoating it just to appear more civil. It's obvious Ban have no chance. This isn't like 2015 where you beat one top team (England) and make it to the semis. Honestly, Bangladesh is probably the second worst team in this world cup (maybe even the worst). There may have to be many upsets for them to make it. What's the realistic chance of that happening?

Nobody is sugar-coatig anything buddy.

Yes, it will be difficult for bangladesh to make it to the semifinal. But that doesn't change the fact that after India, Bangladesh has the highest possibility of making it to the semifinal among all the other Asian teams.

Every time a tournament has been played among the Asian teams in last 3/4 years Bangladesh has dominated there which clearly suggesta that if there's any possibility of any Asian team making the wc semis, it will be either Ind or Bangladesh.
 
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no one can take Bangladesh lightly, their main issue is they are not able to finish the game and have a tendency to give away the match in the crunch time

Exactly.

Our players' only problem is their inability to finish a game.

If our players can sort out their mental problem there's a strong possibility we will put up a good show in this world Cup.

We were the Quarter finalist in the last wc, semifinalist in the CT, finalist in the Asia Cup.

If we can continue our upward trend, we should reach semis in this wc.
 
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Nobody is sugar-coatig anything buddy.

Yes, it will be difficult for bangladesh to make it to the semifinal. But that doesn't change the fact that after India, Bangladesh has the highest possibility of making it to the semifinal among all the other Asian teams.

Every time a tournament has been played among the Asian teams in last 3/4 years Bangladesh has dominated there which clearly suggesta that if there's any possibility of any Asian team making the wc semis, it will be either Ind or Bangladesh.

So after India, Ban has the highest chance of making it to the semis among the Asian teams. LOLOLOLOLOL

Check the bookies odds for making the semis for the Asian teams

India 2/7


Pak 13/8


Sri Lanka 5/1


Ban 10/1


Afg 10/1


If you think after India Bangladesh has the highest chance of making the semis among the Asian teams, then you're deluded af.
 
Exactly.

Our players' only problem is their inability to finish a game.

If our players can sort out their mental problem there's a strong possibility we will put up a good show in this world Cup.

We were the Quarter finalist in the last wc, semifinalist in the CT, finalist in the Asia Cup.

If we can continue our upward trend, we should reach semis in this wc.

In all of these tournaments, you only beat one top team which meant you went to the next round. In this world cup, you have to beat multiple top teams to reach the semis which Bangladesh is highly unlikely to do.
 
I know u r finding these facts quite bitter, but truth is always bitter my friend.

Baring Babar and Hasan Ali not a single Pak player will manage to enter the current Bangladesh team.

Babar's consistency and his slow/steady playing style will be helpful for a team like Bangladesh which is filled with explosive attacking batters.

Hasan Ali with his batting ability will strengthen the lower order of the Bangladesh batting lineup.

Apart from these two, Bangladesh has superior player almost in every position. Players like tamim, shakib, Mushfiqur, Fizz, mahamudullah will walk into the Pak team any day.

Are you a troll? it's a serious question.
says explosive attacking batters but not a single Bangladeshi has a strike rate over 100. NOT A SINGLE BANGLADESHI. NOT ONE.

it's good to be enthusiastic and be supportive of your team but being deluded is not good.
 
I know u r finding these facts quite bitter, but truth is always bitter my friend.

Baring Babar and Hasan Ali not a single Pak player will manage to enter the current Bangladesh team.

Babar's consistency and his slow/steady playing style will be helpful for a team like Bangladesh which is filled with explosive attacking batters.

Hasan Ali with his batting ability will strengthen the lower order of the Bangladesh batting lineup.

Apart from these two, Bangladesh has superior player almost in every position. Players like tamim, shakib, Mushfiqur, Fizz, mahamudullah will walk into the Pak team any day.

Alright, let's compare the first teams of both

Tamim >>>>> Fakhar (without a doubt)
Liton <<<<<< Imam ( consistent)
Sarkar/Sabbir <<<<<< Babar
Mushfiq >>>>> Sarfraz
Shakib <<<<<< Hafeez (batting)
Mithun <<<<< Malik
Mahmudullah ==== Imad (debatable)
Mehidy <<<<<< Shadab
Mortaza <<<<<< Hasan
Mustafizur <<<<< Amir/Junaid/ UKS
Rubel <<<<<< Shaheen

So 8 positions where Pak has better players than Bangladesh. But according to you , only Babar and Hasan can make it to Bangla playing xi.

Nice. :inzi
 
Alright, let's compare the first teams of both

Tamim >>>>> Fakhar (without a doubt)
Liton <<<<<< Imam ( consistent)
Sarkar/Sabbir <<<<<< Babar
Mushfiq >>>>> Sarfraz
Shakib <<<<<< Hafeez (batting)
Mithun <<<<< Malik
Mahmudullah ==== Imad (debatable)
Mehidy <<<<<< Shadab
Mortaza <<<<<< Hasan
Mustafizur <<<<< Amir/Junaid/ UKS
Rubel <<<<<< Shaheen

So 8 positions where Pak has better players than Bangladesh. But according to you , only Babar and Hasan can make it to Bangla playing xi.

Nice. :inzi

Shakib is better than any player currently playing for Pakistan. No, i m not saying it just because he's a bangladeshi. His superior stats across all formats speak for his greatness.

U might consider a 37 years old finished product like Hafeez as the savior of Pakistan, but that doesn't change the fact that he will not manage to bag a position in this Bangladesh team. Shakib is the second greatest allrounder to ever come out of Asia.

Let me show u how BD is superior than pak

Tamim > Imam

Liton= Fakhar ( debatable since liton is technically way more superior)

Mushfiqur> Sarfaraz

Sabbir< Babar

Shakib> Shadab + Hafeez + Malik

Mahamudullah > Imad/Malik

Mehedi> Shadab

Mortaza< Hasan

Fizz> Amir/Junaid/Shaheen

Rubel= Junaid/ Shaheen


U can clearly see that only two Pak players who will manage to get into BD side r Babar and Hasan Babar will replace sabbir and hasan will replace mortaza.

Apart from these two not a single Pak player from current Pak side will manage to enter BD side since BD has superior player in every single position. While players like Shakib, Mahamudullah, Tamim, Fizz, Mushfiqur will walk into the current Pak side without breaking a sweat.
 
Are you a troll? it's a serious question.
says explosive attacking batters but not a single Bangladeshi has a strike rate over 100. NOT A SINGLE BANGLADESHI. NOT ONE.

it's good to be enthusiastic and be supportive of your team but being deluded is not good.

Do u know how many players in the history of cricket have had a strike rate over 100 in odi cricket? zzz

Players like Tamim, Sabbir, Soumya, shakib r extremely aggressive batters. Sabiir has all the potential to become a great batsman if he can sort out his psychological problem of playing too aggressively. Same scenario in case of Soumya.

That's why i said that this mental blocking is what preventing many BD players to achieve their full potential even though most of them r oozing with talent.
 
Shakib is better than any player currently playing for Pakistan. No, i m not saying it just because he's a bangladeshi. His superior stats across all formats speak for his greatness.

U might consider a 37 years old finished product like Hafeez as the savior of Pakistan, but that doesn't change the fact that he will not manage to bag a position in this Bangladesh team. Shakib is the second greatest allrounder to ever come out of Asia.

Let me show u how BD is superior than pak

Tamim > Imam

Liton= Fakhar ( debatable since liton is technically way more superior)

Mushfiqur> Sarfaraz

Sabbir< Babar

Shakib> Shadab + Hafeez + Malik

Mahamudullah > Imad/Malik

Mehedi> Shadab

Mortaza< Hasan

Fizz> Amir/Junaid/Shaheen

Rubel= Junaid/ Shaheen


U can clearly see that only two Pak players who will manage to get into BD side r Babar and Hasan Babar will replace sabbir and hasan will replace mortaza.

Apart from these two not a single Pak player from current Pak side will manage to enter BD side since BD has superior player in every single position. While players like Shakib, Mahamudullah, Tamim, Fizz, Mushfiqur will walk into the current Pak side without breaking a sweat.

Shakib the guy that averages 35 while Batting is better than babar?

These lies are actually getting me pretty triggered.

How can one be so deluded?
 
Shakib is better than any player currently playing for Pakistan. No, i m not saying it just because he's a bangladeshi. His superior stats across all formats speak for his greatness.

U might consider a 37 years old finished product like Hafeez as the savior of Pakistan, but that doesn't change the fact that he will not manage to bag a position in this Bangladesh team. Shakib is the second greatest allrounder to ever come out of Asia.

Let me show u how BD is superior than pak

Tamim > Imam

Liton= Fakhar ( debatable since liton is technically way more superior)

Mushfiqur> Sarfaraz

Sabbir< Babar

Shakib> Shadab + Hafeez + Malik

Mahamudullah > Imad/Malik

Mehedi> Shadab

Mortaza< Hasan

Fizz> Amir/Junaid/Shaheen

Rubel= Junaid/ Shaheen


U can clearly see that only two Pak players who will manage to get into BD side r Babar and Hasan Babar will replace sabbir and hasan will replace mortaza.

Apart from these two not a single Pak player from current Pak side will manage to enter BD side since BD has superior player in every single position. While players like Shakib, Mahamudullah, Tamim, Fizz, Mushfiqur will walk into the current Pak side without breaking a sweat.

Liton the guy who averages under 20 is better than fakhar. Lol.

Rubel is better than Shaheen and Junaid.

Fizz?lol. Are you ashamed of calling him mustafizur? The guy is no where near amir, junaid or shaheen.

Mehidy the guy who averages 20 with a strike rate of 75 while Batting and 35 bowling average is better than shadab?

You're on some cheap stuff. Proper cheap stuff.
 
Don’t want to hurt any Bangaladeshi posters here but I don’t see them getting to the semis.

And the debate will be over on the 5th of July about who the better team is between Pakistan and Bangladesh.
 
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