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I think there will be 3 changes.

Moeen Ali for Stokes due to his hearing
Woakes for Broad ( Woakes has bowled better than broad and a much superior batsman to broad which england clearly need. Unless Broad blows india away in the second innings.
Joe Clark for Malan ( for being a left hander and pathetic against spin and more or less costing India this match)
 
Would be interesting to see Bairstow without the gloves in tests. Butler is there and occupies a free-wielding batting spot at 7, so he could take the gloves.

England are lacking big scorers, Bairstow, similar to Root, gets a fair few 40s/50s - while he enjoys keeping, could be more extracted from him as a specialist batter.
 
introvert said:
Joe clarke for malan
Woakes for stokes
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Agree with the first one. But I think Moeen Ali would come for Stokes since you need a stokes like batsman plus a spinner is needed on the lords wicket. Woakes is a good batsman but not a number 6 or 7.

Woakes may come in for Broad/Anderson. More for Broad since Anderson has bowled brilliantly. Unless broad bowls those majic spells like 8-15 , then he has to go
 
England's problem is they lack someone who can grind out an innings when neededand/orsomeone who once set can score big. Cook used to do it but he is on the wane.

It's all well and good playing stroke-makers like Bairstow, Buttler etc but the reason the likes of KP etc. succeeded is because they had Cook, Strauss and Trott at the other end.
 
mak36 said:
England's problem is they lack someone who can grind out an innings when neededand/orsomeone who once set can score big. Cook used to do it but he is on the wane.

It's all well and good playing stroke-makers like Bairstow, Buttler etc but the reason the likes of KP etc. succeeded is because they had Cook, Strauss and Trott at the other end.
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Root has not stepped up to the challenge as yet.

For someone like him after 70 Tests you would have expected to have around 18-20 hundreds but he has only 13.

His conversion rate has gone down since he became captain.
 
They need a right hander simple. No point in dropping Malan and brining Moeen Ali.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
Root has not stepped up to the challenge as yet.

For someone like him after 70 Tests you would have expected to have around 18-20 hundreds but he has only 13.

His conversion rate has gone down since he became captain.
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Agreed.

His output has been poor given he is supposed to be their best bat.
 
mak36 said:
Agreed.

His output has been poor given he is supposed to be their best bat.
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Especially with Cook now not able to do what he was best at (grinding it out and scoring big) he was their next bat to be expected to do so.
 
Possible changes to the India Team for the 2nd Test at Lord's

Its evident after 2 crushing chase losses in SA and ENG that our batting apart from Kohli is dogshit.Who should be shown the door?

Vijay - 34 and running.Reflexes seem gone.Looks finished rather than out of form.

Dhawan - Never scored above 50 in away tests save 81 vs aus 4 years back.In team solely due to good relationship with team management and ODI rep.Deadweight and has been for quite a long time.

Pujara- Never lived up to his promise as Dravid's succesor outside asia. Unable to find balance between defense and runscoring,poor county stint.Unsure how long more to persist with him.He needs to be given a chance in this series before being discarded i think.

Rahane - Out of form or finished?Played real well in SA,but overall form in decline after 2014.Batted like a tailender this test.

Karthik - His last hurrah.Dropping catches as keeper.Had 2 oppurtunities to put his hand up for the team,failed in both.Time to put him down,should Pant replace him or somebody else in team?Should he be given whole series?

Rahul - Needs to be given consistent run at top for a few series,if he continues to fail - mental midget and has to go.Enough with the potential talk - its time to step up or get booted.

Pandya - Useless as a bowler.20 run -odd batsman.Why keep him in team.Either play a specialist batsman or specialist bowler instead.With ashwin bowling ,4 bowlers is not a problem.

Who should be replacements along with Pant?
What should be Indian team next match?
If these fail this series,should india carry these same players to Aus?I say NO.
 
[MENTION=131307]saadsahabjee[/MENTION] , can you put your thought on this?
 
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Out: Vijay, Dhawan, Karthik, Pandya
In: Who's available? Karun Nair? Manish Pandey? Rishabh Pant?

Also - someone kidnap Rohit Sharma so he can't be considered.
 
Ideally barring Kohli, Ashwin, Shami and Ishant rest of the team should be told to pack their bags and run home. But since we can't kick all the useless ones, we should be removing atleast the worst ones, dhawan/vijay out pujara in, karthik out Pant in and selfish coward out jaddu/kuldeep in for the next game please.
 
Varun said:
Out: Vijay, Dhawan, Karthik, Pandya
In: Who's available? Karun Nair? Manish Pandey? Rishabh Pant?

Also - someone kidnap Rohit Sharma so he can't be considered.
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Only Nair and Pant available and both should play.

Open with Rahul-Vijay.(last series vijay)
Pujara-3.(last series)
Kohli-4.
Rahane -5(last chance)
Nair/Karthik-6(last chance)
Pant 7
 
Dinesh Karthik - Fooling India since 2004.

Murali Vijay - The monk with no car but a bullock cart.

Pujara - Delusion cannot be called an existence (I don't need to prove anything to anyone, that I average 28 outside India is a diff thing).

Rahane - Why I am doing what I am doing but hell who cares. Because I am not good enough for ODIs so people thing I m good for tests.

Pandya - I never claimed I am good enough, I don't even have 500 first class runs or 50 wkts, but SRT thinks m Kapil Dev and Kohli thinks I am Ben Stokes. So blame them and not me.

KL Rahul - It's important to look successful to be successful. Let me launch my own apparel brand (like Kohli), lemme get a bollywood gf (like Kohli) and decorate myself with tatoos (like Kohli). Some fans will think I am Kohli.
 
Vijay: Playing on past reputation for 3 years

Pujara: Should be dropped from Home tests as well (poor fielder as well)
Dhawan : In overseas conditions a lesser bat than Ashwin and Bhuvi ( can't field and run )
Pandya : A proven AR in odis, but not in tests, good enough in tests where batting conditions are easier
Umesh : Clearly unfit
Karthik: Purely in team based on nepotism, SAHA hasn't dropped so many catches in his career, which Karthik has dropped in a single game.
These 5 needs to go even if India loses 5-0

the kids should be named for the last 3 tests
 
Varun said:
Out: Vijay, Dhawan, Karthik, Pandya
In: Who's available? Karun Nair? Manish Pandey? Rishabh Pant?

Also - someone kidnap Rohit Sharma so he can't be considered.
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A quick 40 from Sharma would've won you the match. I think he should be considered.
 
Varun said:
Out: Vijay, Dhawan, Karthik, Pandya
In: Who's available? Karun Nair? Manish Pandey? Rishabh Pant?

Also - someone kidnap Rohit Sharma so he can't be considered.
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Fact is Rohit sharma has 2 match winning century knocks this tour. Other all players combined has just one :shh :ishant
 
Lol at the Indians asking for six seven changes... Dada mushkil se aek ath hi change hogi :jkt
 
Go with this one only. If Bhuvi is fit, he comes in for Yadav.

Dhawan gives a left-right combination.
 
Malan OUT, Ollie Pope IN. Having said that though I doubt they'll change Malan due to him getting some confidence taking them catches. But eh, I'd change him for a right hander.

Stokes is out, Moeen is the likely replacement but you're missing out big time since Stokes is a quality bowler.
 
No need to have knee-jerk reactions IMO. Nair is even worse than current bats. My only change would be Pujara in for Vijay. If Bumrah is fit, he replaces Umesh otherwise same pace attack.
 
Syed1 said:
Lol at the Indians asking for six seven changes... Dada mushkil se aek ath hi change hogi :jkt
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Not asking, 4-5 were never good enough to play for India again, it is just that the question has come up AGAIN, if India lose 5-0 then many of these indeed will be flushed out or good. Shaw, Pant, Gill and Co should get a fear free run.
What Viay has done in SA ENG and NZ : Average 26 (poor fielder)
WhatDhawan has done in SA ENG and NZ : Average 26( Pathetic fielder)
What Pujara has done in SA ENG and NZ : Average 25( Pathetic fielder and horrible runner)
 
lehen said:
Not asking, 4-5 were never good enough to play for India again, it is just that the question has come up AGAIN, if India lose 5-0 then many of these indeed will be flushed out or good. Shaw, Pant, Gill and Co should get a fear free run.
What Viay has done in SA ENG and NZ : Average 26 (poor fielder)
WhatDhawan has done in SA ENG and NZ : Average 26( Pathetic fielder)
What Pujara has done in SA ENG and NZ : Average 25( Pathetic fielder and horrible runner)
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It's easy to drop players. It's harder to replace them. Maybe India should accept they don't currently have the players to replace them? I know that's difficult for some to comprehend but that is the reality.

That's not to say they can't develop them etc, but just that in the here and now this is the best there is.

Look at ODIS. Everyone was saying to drop Dhoni and replace him with Karthik.

Well this test has shown Karthik's keeping is below par and his batting and temperament are suspect.

Maybe it's time to accept there is a lack of quality wicket-keeper batsmen.

The same is true for the lack of quality batsmen in overseas conditions.

And so it goes on.
 
How many international games does Karthik have now? Mad that he's even in the squad.

Someone mentioned how you guys keep going back to Parthiv Patel, but even he's less of a liability than this joker

If selectors have faith in Pant, they need to start him and tell him his place is secure
 
We all can want what we want but practically in this series for the next couple of tests I don't see many changes. Perhaps Pujara mite get in to replace dhawan but baring that no change will happen.
 
I wouldn't change anything much in the Indian lineup, barring dropping Dhawan, opening with Rahul and bringing in Pujara at no 3 or 4. But I doubt Dhawan will be dropped.
[MENTION=139975]The_Odd_One[/MENTION] Yes, I fully expect KL Rahul to be the fall guy.
 
Not to sure about changes, but why doesn’t Kohli bat at #3 he looks unstoppable at the moment don’t see anything changing at Lords. If i was like Kohl I would put myself back at #3
 
QalandarFan said:
Not to sure about changes, but why doesn’t Kohli bat at #3 he looks unstoppable at the moment don’t see anything changing at Lords. If i was like Kohl I would put myself back at #3
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Not sure how would that help, when wickets on the other end keep falling regardless. It's not that Kohli's arrival stems the fall of wickets, they wud still be 75/3 and 100/5
 
Sam99 said:
Fact is Rohit sharma has 2 match winning century knocks this tour. Other all players combined has just one :shh :ishant
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Nobody cares about ODIs now that we're into the test series. Likewise, nobody has a problem with Rohit and Dhawan being part of any ODI team, anywhere.

It's the longer format we're selecting for.
 
happydavy said:
Not sure how would that help, when wickets on the other end keep falling regardless. It's not that Kohli's arrival stems the fall of wickets, they wud still be 75/3 and 100/5
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It’s better for Kohli to go in with one early wicket down then two early wickets down.
 
Why people are going after Pandya? :facepalm:

Dhawan out Che in. Yadav(he hasn't bowled badly in 2nd inning but still) out Kuldeep in.

KL and Murali opens.
Che next
Rest same.
 
India :

Jadeja for pandya or kuldeep for umesh

England :
joe clarke/moeen ali for malan

Jamie overton/porter for stokes
(woakes may not be test match ready for lords)
 
cricketworm said:
Why people are going after Pandya? :facepalm:
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Because he is neither batsman nor bowler and hasn't won a thing in any Test / ODI / T20 / FC / List A?

Should be permanently stickered with an 'IPL Only' tag.
 
Varun said:
Because he is neither batsman nor bowler and hasn't won a thing in any Test / ODI / T20 / FC / List A?

Should be permanently stickered with an 'IPL Only' tag.
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India becomes very long tail if someone like Pandya not in lower order. England's tail is very strong and strong middle order and once they get going Bairstow Buttler Curran can score plenty even against spinners, so our strike bowlers need to be fresh and Pandya can be good change in pacer.

Did ok enough with bat for one more test at least.
 
If it wasn't for Pandya Kohli couldn't have played long inning in first inning, and him and Kohli came so close doing the the impossible in 2nd inning.

I don't trust Pant or Jadeja to play that role with bat.
 
I dont really see the purpose of Pandya in the team.

Might as well be Jadeja back. Same quality of batting, but atleast Jadeja will be a threat with the ball.
 
Pujara in for Pandya. Pant for Karthik, nothing to lose and I assume Saha will retake Karthik's spot anyway.
 
Vijay
Rahul
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Karthik(wkt)
Ashwin
Bhuvi
Shami
Kuldeep
Ishant

This one maybe if the Lords pitch is a flat one.
 
Batting becomes even more vulnerable though if there is movement.
 
Don't think Pujara can bat at 3 outside of Asia. I think as an opener he could see of the new ball so he could come in. Bumrah should replace Yadav.

For England, Moen for Stokes as he is on trial. 1 more game for Malan, if he fails he should be dropped for 3rd test.
 
austerlitz said:
Its evident after 2 crushing chase losses in SA and ENG that our batting apart from Kohli is dogshit.Who should be shown the door?

Vijay - 34 and running.Reflexes seem gone.Looks finished rather than out of form.

Dhawan - Never scored above 50 in away tests save 81 vs aus 4 years back.In team solely due to good relationship with team management and ODI rep.Deadweight and has been for quite a long time.

Pujara- Never lived up to his promise as Dravid's succesor outside asia. Unable to find balance between defense and runscoring,poor county stint.Unsure how long more to persist with him.He needs to be given a chance in this series before being discarded i think.

Rahane - Out of form or finished?Played real well in SA,but overall form in decline after 2014.Batted like a tailender this test.

Karthik - His last hurrah.Dropping catches as keeper.Had 2 oppurtunities to put his hand up for the team,failed in both.Time to put him down,should Pant replace him or somebody else in team?Should he be given whole series?

Rahul - Needs to be given consistent run at top for a few series,if he continues to fail - mental midget and has to go.Enough with the potential talk - its time to step up or get booted.

Pandya - Useless as a bowler.20 run -odd batsman.Why keep him in team.Either play a specialist batsman or specialist bowler instead.With ashwin bowling ,4 bowlers is not a problem.

Who should be replacements along with Pant?
What should be Indian team next match?
If these fail this series,should india carry these same players to Aus?I say NO.
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Do your research before posting biased statements. Dhawan has a hundred in fourth innings at Auckland and almost won India the game

DK was the highest scorer for India in 2007 series and this was a game where everyone bar Kohli flopped, so he definitely needs to be given a long rope.

Rahul has struggled against moving ball, clear loophole in his technique. Hope he fixes it soon. He also needs to be given long rope.

Other than that, I agree Vijay has to go. Dead weight these days averages 19 in away tests in SENA countries since 2015
 
EliteCynical said:
DK was the highest scorer for India in 2007 series and this was a game where everyone bar Kohli flopped, so he definitely needs to be given a long rope.
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Hehe, 2007 was 11 years back. While at it, may include Ganguly in the team as well because he scored 2 centuries in 1996 in England
 
Lol at all the people calling DK doesn't deserve a spot. Remember he came in place of Saha and trust me Saha wouldn't have lasted more than 2 overs against Anderson and Co. Saha is only occupying the spot because he's a better WK than DK. But if you ask me who's a better Batsman, I would definitely say it's DK. It was his First Test Match after ages, let's see how he goes about his business in the next couple of matches before coming to a conclusion. India's problems are way bigger than DK vs Saha vs Pant.
 
Who is a better prospect ? Joe Clarke or Olli Pope? One of these might replace Malan
 
Tyler Durden said:
Lol at all the people calling DK doesn't deserve a spot. Remember he came in place of Saha and trust me Saha wouldn't have lasted more than 2 overs against Anderson and Co. Saha is only occupying the spot because he's a better WK than DK. But if you ask me who's a better Batsman, I would definitely say it's DK. It was his First Test Match after ages, let's see how he goes about his business in the next couple of matches before coming to a conclusion. India's problems are way bigger than DK vs Saha vs Pant.
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Playing after ages is not an excuse for non performance. Infact he didn't play for ages because he was a non performer theb, unfortunately he's a non performer now. Having said that the only good thing happening with DK playing and getting massively exposed both as a keeper and batsman is that there's every chance he ll now loose his ODI spot as well, which he had gained thanks to a 6 ball inning against a non regular bowler of Bdesh.
 
This is the team for England

Cook
Jennings
Root
Pope
Bairstow
Butler
Woakes
Curran
Rashid
Broad
Anderson

Playing Woakes instead of Ali for 2 reasons. Firstly, Lords have been better for fast bowlers. Yes the wicket is dry but does not mean every spinner will run through Indian Team. Secondly Woakes will trouble India more with his swing and is in-fact a better bowler than anderson, stokes and broad when the bowling is moving around.Secondly , Woakes is a good enough batsman and the fact he is right handed goes in his advantage.Cannot see any left hander surviving against Ashwin
 
Team for India

Vijay
Rahul
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
DK
Jadeja
Ashwin
Shami
Ishant
Umesh
 
Tyler Durden said:
Nice! I would have Bumrah in place of Umesh though.
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Should give confidence to umesh. He bowled well in 2nd innings. If you keep dropping everyone then all players will loose confidence except kohli. I guess since last few years no one can say they will make place in regular xi. Apart from shami and ishant everyone have been dropped till now.
 
Sam99 said:
Should give confidence to umesh. He bowled well in 2nd innings. If you keep dropping everyone then all players will loose confidence except kohli. I guess since last few years no one can say they will make place in regular xi. Apart from shami and ishant everyone have been dropped till now.
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If you ask me, I'm more impressed by Umesh's batting than Bowling in the 1st Test. :D He's the only Batsman remained not out in both the innings and stuck at one end by playing a supporting role way better than our Top and middle order. ;)
 
Tyler Durden said:
If you ask me, I'm more impressed by Umesh's batting than Bowling in the 1st Test. :D He's the only Batsman remained not out in both the innings and stuck at one end by playing a supporting role way better than our Top and middle order. ;)
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If you are getting impressed by someone who bats at 11 for #1 team then surely something is wrong atm.
 
For England : Woakes and Moeen should replace Malan and Stokes

For India :

Pujara in - Rahul out
Umesh out - Kuldeep in

Ideally, R Sharma should replace Vijay.

Karthik and Rahane need replacing quickly.
 
For England woakes and Ollie Pope should replace stokes and Malan.

For India Pujara and jadeja for Dhawan and pandya .

Pope because he is a better batsman than Moeen Ali plus England already have 5 genuine bowlers AND another left hander means more trouble against ashwin. The talk in England right now is somehow fit a right hander no matter how good or bad he is
 
A Cook
K Jennings
J Root *
(Anyone over Malan, atleast he would catch)
J Bairstow +
J Buttler
M Ali (Don't see any use of Rashid)
S Curran
C Woakes (Even if he's not ready for Tests)
S Broad
J Anderson
 
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happydavy said:
Hehe, 2007 was 11 years back. While at it, may include Ganguly in the team as well because he scored 2 centuries in 1996 in England
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Thanks for your deep insight in mathematics and cricket. I was talking in general about technique vs moving ball. Cheers!
 
I think India will have to do the following changes,

one of the openers out and Pujara comes back in. I would normally think it has to be Rahul and Vijay but it is getting difficult to defend Rahul anymore. He started the series with a bang and then faded away. Hasn't made any useful contributions in the 6 innings after that. The problem though is that Dhawan has been equally bad. Vijay also did not score any runs.

Pujara will be back as Rahul, Dhawan, Vijay did not work. Pujara isn't a great replacement but again he is the only choice the team has at number 3.

Dinesh Karthik was very poor with the gloves. He had a chance to make amends in the second innings with the bat but got out immediately on Day 4. Rishabh Pant should be given a chance and hopefully Kohli will take the call.

Hardik Pandya, not sure why he is there. He neither bowls or bats. India can either play Nair as a batter at number 6 or play Jadeja at number 7. Jadeja is a brilliant fielder and will bowl tight overs. He along with Ashwin would have been lethal on that wicket in the first Test. Let us just stop with Hardik experiment for a while. I remember in 2006 when India sent Pathan back to India after his bowling went downhill before the start of the Test series, I hope something is done for Hardik as well. He doesn't belong at this level in Tests.

If Bumrah is fit, I expect him to get back into the team in place of Umesh.

Dhawan/Rahul
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Pant
Ashwin
Jadeja
Bumrah
Shami
Ishant

The above should be the X1.
 
Major Bumrah for India as quick bowler Jasprit fails his fitness battle for Lord's Test

India have suffered an injury set back to their Lord's Test plans: it has been confirmed that quick bowler Jasprit Bumrah will not be fit for the second Test.

India had been hoping to bring Bumrah back into the side at Lord’s. He has been out of action with a thumb injury sustained in a Twenty20 match in Ireland

"Jasprit Bumrah is bowling fit right now but I think it's too early to put him into a game-like situation because, I think, he needs to come out of the plaster on his hand. For the second Test, he is out of contention," said Bharat Arun, India's bowling coach.

Bumrah was in line to replace Umesh Yadav, who struggled at Edgbaston. Bumrah made his Test debut in South Africa in January and took 14 wickets in only three matches.

The question for India is whether to revert to two spinners having seen the difficulty England experienced playing Ravi Ashwin in the first Test.

Lord’s is likely to turn more and it is a ground where overseas spinners have had success against England recently.

The other alternative is to pick the extra batsman in Cheteshwar Pujara, who was left out of the side for the Edgbaston Test after a poor run of form in county cricket for Yorkshire.

India’s batting was badly exposed in Birmingham and Pujara would offer more resistance but it would be a conservative move by a team 1-0 down in a series.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...ia-quick-bowler-jasprit-fails-fitness-battle/
 
Jasprit Bumrah ruled out of Lords test

Jasprit Bumrah recovering from a thumb injury has been ruled out of the second test at Lord's.Bumrah was available for selection for this test but indian team management is wary about rushing him in to a test match.
 
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