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Hey Everyone,

Firstly congrats on signing the hosting agreement for 2025 CT. Huge achievement for us..

However, in the backdrop, Indian security concerns for traveling to Pakistan still remains an open issue. So here is what I propose as a potential solution.

  • Have the Indian team setup their accommodation, base and training facilities in Amritsar. PCB should of course pay BCCI for these arrangements since they are still the “hosts”..
  • Have all Indian matches in Lahore - including the SF and Final if India reach
  • Have the Indian games as closed door to alleviate security concerns further..
  • The idea is to have the Indian team cross the Wagah border from Amritsar to Lahore - I believe the journey takes about 1 hour 30 mins. They would leave Amritsar cross the border by bus and go straight to Gaddafi Stadium to play the matches. After the ending ceremony of each game - they hope on to their bus and go back straight to Amritsar without any stops..
  • Any social events / ceremonies - should be held in Lahore to make it easier for Rohit Sharma to come..
I know this is not ideal but I feel like it is the best way to convince Indian Govt and BCCi for India to play CT in Pakistan. This proposal would take advantage of the close proximity of Amritsar to Lahore.

Any thoughts?
 
Let’s not overthink

InshaAllah India will come and light up this tournament for Pakistan
 
Rana said:
Let’s not overthink

InshaAllah India will come and light up this tournament for Pakistan
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Are you sure about that or is this what you are wishing will happen?
 
I dont know why we care so much if India comes? Since we are the official hosts, we are welcoming any qualifying country with open arms. Those who do not want to come can deal with ICC. Thats their problem. If India does not come, England will come in their place. We will not bend rules for anyone. If first world countries like Australia, England, NZland have no issues playing in Pakistan. No other country should have any problems. Thanks.
 
msb314 said:
Are you sure about that or is this what you are wishing will happen?
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I believe there is no need to stress

We are hosting it. Confirmed today. It’s not our headache anymore
 
Slim said:
I dont know why we care so much if India comes? Since we are the official hosts, we are welcoming any qualifying country with open arms. Those who do not want to come can deal with ICC. Thats their problem. If India does not come, England will come in their place. We will not bend rules for anyone. If first world countries like Australia, England, NZland have no issues playing in Pakistan. No other country should have any problems. Thanks
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Simple. No India no revenue. 90% of the revenue comes from Ind. So pak would absolutely want ind to participate as do other countries. That's just the reality.
 
They won't land in Pakistan. Even as layover. It's their principle stance. PCB is better of focusing the tournament without or a hybrid model with India.
 
Rana said:
I believe there is no need to stress

We are hosting it. Confirmed today. It’s not our headache anymore
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FWIW it most probably will be a hybrid model like the 2023 asia cup. My personal opinion is that ind should travel to pak but the gov of Ind will not allow any travel to pak - hence the hybrid model

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Pakistan Cricket Board signs Champions Trophy 2025 hosting rights with ICC

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), on Friday, December 15, signed the hosting rights for the Champions Trophy 2025 with the International Cricket Council (ICC).

Zaka Ashraf, the chairperson of the PCB, and Jonathan Hall, the ICC General Counsel, were present during the signing at the ICC headquarters in Dubai.

The PCB mentioned that Pakistan has started preparations for the tournament with security for visiting teams being a top priority.

“The PCB in its capacity has already intimated the government to provide foolproof security to visiting international teams for the Champions Trophy. Caretaker Prime Minister Anwaar-ul-Haq Kakar in a recent meeting with Chairman PCB Management Committee assured the security agencies’ cooperation in the successful hosting of the ICC Champions Trophy 2025,” the PCB wrote in a press release.

Pakistan was initially announced as the host for the ICC Champions Trophy 2025, marking a significant milestone as it would be the first global cricket tournament the country would host alone since being awarded the opportunity.

This announcement was made on November 16, 2021, during the 2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup. However, the hosting of the event has been shrouded in uncertainty due to political tensions and security concerns, particularly involving India's participation.

Speculation suggests that the ICC may consider relocating the tournament or adopting a hybrid model similar to the Asia Cup 2023, where matches involving India were played in Sri Lanka.

Reports indicate that Dubai could be an alternative venue. The likelihood of India travelling to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy is considered nearly zero, casting doubt on Pakistan's ability to host the event as initially planned.

www.indiatoday.in

Pakistan Cricket Board signs Champions Trophy 2025 hosting rights with ICC

PCB signed the hosting rights for the Champions Trophy 2025 with the International Cricket Council (ICC) on Friday, December 15 in Dubai.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in
 
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RidiculousMan said:
They won't land in Pakistan. Even as layover. It's their principle stance. PCB is better of focusing the tournament without or a hybrid model with India.
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Actually Indians are not forbidden from traveling to Pakistan. They can apply for a visa and travel - there are no restrictions on it..

ICT is a different story but the Indian Govt should not have any issues with my proposal if private citizens can go to Pakistan anyway..
 
Potential solution

Swap hosting rights of CT 2025 with Sri Lanka in exchange to co host t20 wc with India. India can stay in India and Pakistan gets to host half the tournament of t20 wc which would potentially have more matches than ct 2025
 
Maybe the Indian government will loosen up.

Their elections will be done.

But now Pakistan has hosting rights on paper, so the ICC is going to have to figure this out. All Pakistan has to think about is security and getting the grounds ready.
 
India should play in Pakistan. Its an ICC tournament and there is no reason for India to not play there.
 
Slim said:
That is not our problem. ICC gave us the rights, they should deal with it.
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ICC can also take away the rights if the tournament is financially unviable.

Pakistan should look to make up the losses for ICC and be done with it.
 
Solution? Why do you need a solution.

If they want to come than come if they dont want to, than they can go to whatever hell they want to.

Pakistan is hosting thats that.
 
If Pakistan and it’s media are going to try and politicise India coming to Pakistan….then just forget about it. They won’t even bother.

Just let them be. They will be filing for Visas for next year.
 
Some fan's are thinking that without India any ICC tournament happens these days? Never
But I want india to go there and play CT
 
Rana said:
If Pakistan and it’s media are going to try and politicise India coming to Pakistan….then just forget about it. They won’t even bother.

Just let them be. They will be filing for Visas for next year.
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There is a very miniscule chance that India will be filling for Visas to Pakistan next year.

Most likely scenario

Venue will be changed while PCB remains the host.

Hybrid Model hosting.

CT is player without India.

The third is the least likely scenario, unless ICC finds someone to provide them with the $400-500mn loss they will suffer because of India's absence.
 
kron said:
Nobody cares about Indians. They don't want to play? Don't play? Play IPL
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Everyone who have bills to pay from the ICC revenue share cares.

ICC will lose somewhere between $400-500mn if India doesn't participate.

IPL is one of the reason why India can sit out of a ICC tournament without major financial implications.

Why do you think BCCI has started planning for a new league in September-October next year? It may be to test waters for a all Indian IPL like league. The revenues from that will offset any losses BCCI will make for skipping the CT.


In case BCCI skips the CT 2025, they can arrange a short All Indian IPL during that duration and make money.It will also suck out the majority of Indian sponsors from the CT 2025.
 
Asia cup like hybrid tournament has not done well for the teams TBH. Lots of traveling here and there and less time for practice. Either it should be played in Pakistan or else Pakistan should swap it with some other country or may be host it in UAE because I don't see India coming to Pakistan for any game.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Asia cup like hybrid tournament has not done well for the teams TBH. Lots of traveling here and there and less time for practice. Either it should be played in Pakistan or else Pakistan should swap it with some other country or may be host it in UAE because I don't see India coming to Pakistan for any game.
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Agree either held in Pakistan or Any other country . hybrid model will not work for CT
 
BouncerGuy said:
Asia cup like hybrid tournament has not done well for the teams TBH. Lots of traveling here and there and less time for practice. Either it should be played in Pakistan or else Pakistan should swap it with some other country or may be host it in UAE because I don't see India coming to Pakistan for any game.
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TBH i won't mind if this tournament goes ahead in Pakistan without India.
 
cricketjoshila said:
ICC can also take away the rights if the tournament is financially unviable.

Pakistan should look to make up the losses for ICC and be done with it.
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I remember how you used to emphasise so heavily on Pakistan and ICC not having signed the hosting rights agreement in the other thread implying its because ICC is thinking of moving the hosting away from Pakistan. That all turned out to be bunch of nothing.

Indian media also has been running continuous propaganda and the recent spike in it was probably timed because the insiders knew the hosting agreement was going to be signed.

First of all, lets be clear, a CT without India by no means will be a loss making tournament. Bilaterals between two countries are profitable, how come a multi nation tournament wont be profitable.


Now, yes, the profit might not be as much as it would be without India but since India takes like majority of profit share anyway from ICC which amounts to around 40%. The 40% taker wont be there anymore. Therefore for rest of the teams there wont be any such impact in terms of profit sharing. They will still probably get the same amount with or without India. This is an extremely important point to note to counter the psy op being pushed by Indian media.


@Suleiman @MenInG @Usman Chadda @topspin @msb314
 
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Its simple for me: CT in Pakistan with or without India. India’s participation does not matter. The 40% revenue stealer wont be there. Offseting the reduction in revenue generation.
 
Slim said:
I dont know why we care so much if India comes? Since we are the official hosts, we are welcoming any qualifying country with open arms. Those who do not want to come can deal with ICC. Thats their problem. If India does not come, England will come in their place. We will not bend rules for anyone. If first world countries like Australia, England, NZland have no issues playing in Pakistan. No other country should have any problems. Thanks.
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That is bcoz if India don't go, it will be a flop tournament and both PCB/ICC will incur financial loss. The official broadcaster Disney Star will also refuse to cover a tournament without India in it and PCB have to probably strike a last minute deal with PTV or someone for broadcasting. A lots of advertisement companies will pull out as well.

No one cares about cricket, especially white ball cricket, in the so called first world countries you are talking about. India alone generates revenue for ICC. So if doing was as easy as you suggesting, PCB would have done it long ago. There is a reason PCB agreed for hybrid model in Asia cup...not bcoz they were accomodating but they realize there is no point hosting a tournament without India in it.
 
Slim said:
Its simple for me: CT in Pakistan with or without India. India’s participation does not matter. The 40% revenue stealer wont be there. Offseting the reduction in revenue generation.
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India generates 90℅ of the revenue and we take in only about 40℅. A tournament without India will be a massive financial disaster, you would only get about 10℅ of the revenue.
It would be a huge failure for Pakistan and would ensure that no icc event takes place in Pakistan for the next 50 years
 
Rajdeep said:
That is bcoz if India don't go, it will be a flop tournament and both PCB/ICC will incur financial loss. The official broadcaster Disney Star will also refuse to cover a tournament without India in it and PCB have to probably strike a last minute deal with PTV or someone for broadcasting. A lots of advertisement companies will pull out as well.

No one cares about cricket, especially white ball cricket, in the so called first world countries you are talking about. India alone generates revenue for ICC. So if doing was as easy as you suggesting, PCB would have done it long ago. There is a reason PCB agreed for hybrid model in Asia cup...not bcoz they were accomodating but they realize there is no point hosting a tournament without India in it.
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Its wishful thinking from your end that tournament will go in a loss. It will still be a profitable tournament. Going by your logic, only bilaterals with India make money and rest are just loss making. So, India can take a hike, more than happy for them to not participate. It will be intersting for me to see how India will nagivate around this with ICC since they want to host their tournaments as well.
 
Statpadder Inc said:
India generates 90℅ of the revenue and we take in only about 40℅. A tournament without India will be a massive financial disaster, you would only get about 10℅ of the revenue.
It would be a huge failure for Pakistan and would ensure that no icc event takes place in Pakistan for the next 50 years
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Who says India generates 90% revenue of a global tournament? Please give evidence.
 
Slim said:
Its wishful thinking from your end that tournament will go in a loss. It will still be a profitable tournament. Going by your logic, only bilaterals with India make money and rest are just loss making. So, India can take a hike, more than happy for them to not participate. It will be intersting for me to see how India will nagivate around this with ICC since they want to host their tournaments as well.
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The tournament will be a huge loss.

Out of ICC's media rights sale of ~3.3bn usd, 3bn usd was paid by STAR for 4 years India Territory rights. Next was by Sky $260mn for 8 years for UK and then Australia territory sold for $60mn for 4 years.

Now make the calculation.

Indian government will not give permission. ICC cannot do anything except not pay India the proportinate revenue share for that tournament.
 
Rajdeep said:
That is bcoz if India don't go, it will be a flop tournament and both PCB/ICC will incur financial loss. The official broadcaster Disney Star will also refuse to cover a tournament without India in it and PCB have to probably strike a last minute deal with PTV or someone for broadcasting. A lots of advertisement companies will pull out as well.

No one cares about cricket, especially white ball cricket, in the so called first world countries you are talking about. India alone generates revenue for ICC. So if doing was as easy as you suggesting, PCB would have done it long ago. There is a reason PCB agreed for hybrid model in Asia cup...not bcoz they were accomodating but they realize there is no point hosting a tournament without India in it.
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1000% agree.

If Bharat is not there, I'm not watching. I think I can speak for everyone here on PP by saying that.

Pakistan now has the hosting rights and it's time for them to do what's correct.

They should be pushing hard for a Champions Trophy hosted in Ahmedabad between India A, India B, and India C. Anything other than this would be a total flop making negative money and I refuse to watch nations like Pakistan, England, and Australia on the same field as India. It will only insult the charm, swagger, good looks, and popularity of Indian cricketers.

Just imagine the deafening roar of 130,000+ fans as the Indian national anthem plays twice for India A and then India B. The Champions Trophy will be handed by the greatest Narendra Modi to Team India and the sky will be filled with beautiful fireworks outlining India's flag as Ranveer Singh pumps up the crowd.

I won't lie, I'm getting goosebumps thinking about it and my wallet is feeling bigger from the excitement too.
 
Slim said:
I remember how you used to emphasise so heavily on Pakistan and ICC not having signed the hosting rights agreement in the other thread implying its because ICC is thinking of moving the hosting away from Pakistan. That all turned out to be bunch of nothing.

Indian media also has been running continuous propaganda and the recent spike in it was probably timed because the insiders knew the hosting agreement was going to be signed.

First of all, lets be clear, a CT without India by no means will be a loss making tournament. Bilaterals between two countries are profitable, how come a multi nation tournament wont be profitable.


Now, yes, the profit might not be as much as it would be without India but since India takes like majority of profit share anyway from ICC which amounts to around 40%. The 40% taker wont be there anymore. Therefore for rest of the teams there wont be any such impact in terms of profit sharing. They will still probably get the same amount with or without India. This is an extremely important point to note to counter the psy op being pushed by Indian media.


@Suleiman @MenInG @Usman Chadda @topspin @msb314
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Who told you that bilaterals between countries are profitable?

ECB official said that only those years when they host the Ashes or India are revenue surplus for them.

CA said the same.

Telford Vice recently mentioned that CSA has run into losses for last 2 seasons and the India visit will wipeout those losses twice over and a bit more.

PCB chairman Ramiz Raja said that PCB depends on ICC for 50 percent of its revenue and 90 per cent of it comes from India.

WICB chief said that their profit making years are when India and England travel.

In the recent ICC revenue distribution model India's financial contribution was marked at 85.xx per cent.

Now coming to the financials of the ICC tournament.

This FTP ICC will hold one ICC event each year. After all the expenses ICC is supposed to make a surplus of 600mn.

In absence of India, revenues will drop by 80-90 per cent. This means the yearly ICC revenue share that goes to each board and is vital for the survival of most boards except the big 3 will be down by 80-90 per cent.
 
Slim said:
Its wishful thinking from your end that tournament will go in a loss. It will still be a profitable tournament. Going by your logic, only bilaterals with India make money and rest are just loss making. So, India can take a hike, more than happy for them to not participate. It will be intersting for me to see how India will nagivate around this with ICC since they want to host their tournaments as well.
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Yes, bilaterals that don't involve India, aus or eng tend to make loses. Everyone in the cricketing world is aware of this fact
 
kingusama92 said:
1000% agree.

If Bharat is not there, I'm not watching. I think I can speak for everyone here on PP by saying that.

Pakistan now has the hosting rights and it's time for them to do what's correct.

They should be pushing hard for a Champions Trophy hosted in Ahmedabad between India A, India B, and India C. Anything other than this would be a total flop making negative money and I refuse to watch nations like Pakistan, England, and Australia on the same field as India. It will only insult the charm, swagger, good looks, and popularity of Indian cricketers.

Just imagine the deafening roar of 130,000+ fans as the Indian national anthem plays twice for India A and then India B. The Champions Trophy will be handed by the greatest Narendra Modi to Team India and the sky will be filled with beautiful fireworks outlining India's flag as Ranveer Singh pumps up the crowd.

I won't lie, I'm getting goosebumps thinking about it and my wallet is feeling bigger from the excitement too.
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You can make these sarcastic comments Usama bhai but you can't deny the financial implications.
 
kingusama92 said:
1000% agree.

If Bharat is not there, I'm not watching. I think I can speak for everyone here on PP by saying that.

Pakistan now has the hosting rights and it's time for them to do what's correct.

They should be pushing hard for a Champions Trophy hosted in Ahmedabad between India A, India B, and India C. Anything other than this would be a total flop making negative money and I refuse to watch nations like Pakistan, England, and Australia on the same field as India. It will only insult the charm, swagger, good looks, and popularity of Indian cricketers.

Just imagine the deafening roar of 130,000+ fans as the Indian national anthem plays twice for India A and then India B. The Champions Trophy will be handed by the greatest Narendra Modi to Team India and the sky will be filled with beautiful fireworks outlining India's flag as Ranveer Singh pumps up the crowd.

I won't lie, I'm getting goosebumps thinking about it and my wallet is feeling bigger from the excitement too.
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I whole heartedly agree with this and hope ICC hear you. Ahmedabad and Modi stadium is my favourite since a certain team folded there for 36/8. Goosebump moment right there.
 
Rajdeep said:
I whole heartedly agree with this and hope ICC hear you. Ahmedabad and Modi stadium is my favourite since a certain team folded there for 36/8. Goosebump moment right there.
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Spot on!

But we have to make sure no yellow jerseys are allowed in there.
 
There will be no neutral venues for ICC events. If India wants to participate in the ICC Champions Trophy 2025, come and play here in Pakistan. Otherwise, just rest at home and watch the tournament on TV.
 
FearlessRoar said:
There will be no neutral venues for ICC events. If India wants to participate in the ICC Champions Trophy 2025, come and play here in Pakistan. Otherwise, just rest at home and watch the tournament on TV.
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We will see what happens near the event. I believe similar statements were made before the Asia Cup.
 
FearlessRoar said:
There will be no neutral venues for ICC events. If India wants to participate in the ICC Champions Trophy 2025, come and play here in Pakistan. Otherwise, just rest at home and watch the tournament on TV.
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That the spirit. Let's see how this thing came out then I replied to you . bookmark post
 
India is not coming.
Pakistan should just conduct it without India. That's fine. Take a stance for yourself.
 
Although it will take the sheen of tournament but Indian games may be played in Bangladesh, will make a complete mockery of Pakistan as hosts shall India reach the final and it is played in Mirpur
 
Pretty sure there would be a force majeure clause in the hosting agreement and ICC will invoke that to move the event out of Pakistan. Does anybody think that there will be 0 terrorism incidents in Pakistan until the Champions Trophy?
 
Good move from PCB to get this issue wrapped up.

Indias stance has been clear. They care about their jawaans lifes too much to play Pakistan but make exceptions for ICC events.

Since this is an ICC event they will stop their mourning for a bit too attend.
 
Really love how the Indian fans here have toned down and feel defeated after the bhangra they were doing for the hosting document not being signed.

Loving the dejection. They didnt feel this dejected when they lost the world cup final to Australia
 
On a positive note, what if India already agreed to come and then the ICC signed this agreement?
 
There are only two ways this plays out.

Either India comes to Pakistan because government gives permission (BCCI has already said it has no issue and its GoI policy that stops it for touring and GoI lets India Pakistan play in ICC tournaments).

The tournament is moved out of Pakistan because of India not coming.

There is no Champions Trophy happening without India, much as we think it will happen. (personally I would also like for it to happen without caring for India, but ground reality is different).
 
The thing is, if ICC is not willing to hold any tournament without India then no solution will work apart from the shifting of champions trophy to UAE or the Hybrid model again. Nothing else is acceptable for ICC in this scenario.
 
I thought this thread was meant to be about solutions :yk3

I don’t think the Amritsar idea is bad actually. Once their Indian bus is in Pakistan, it would like travelling from Coventry to Birmingham! About 45 minutes.

Obviously it would be a shame for the players because they wouldn’t really get to chill in Pakistan, but they would be welcomed positively by the local fans in the stadium
 
What the two boards should do is jointly construct a new cricket stadium on the Wagah border. Half located in India and half in Pakistan. They can use this stadium for all future matches. Problem solved.
 
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