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Wonderful post and one that summarizes a topic which has been spoken about a lot of times.

Congratulations [MENTION=142670]mak36[/MENTION]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...rength-all-talk-no-action-A-Pakistani-mystery

There's been a lot of talk from Mickey and the selectors about developing bench strength in the build up to WC19, particularly in terms of batting. They've identified the need to find and develop young aggressive batsmen, and they promised young talent would be given opportunities in upcoming tours. Sounds good so far.

As the saying goes though, actions speak louder than words.

I'll start this by saying I like and respect Inzi, so this isn't a dig at him or his colleagues. I'll also add that the squad for the "Independence Cup" is pretty good overall. However, I can't help but think that the selectors have followed the trend of being bold(er) with bowling selections but somewhat more conservative with their batting selections (Babar is a notable exception). The omission of "fringe" batsmen for this tour would also suggest that we can't expect to see too many new batsmen in any of the upcoming tours.

So my question is: why is Pakistan more afraid of trying out new batsmen than they are bowlers? We've seen the selectors willing to give young bowlers a go on the international stage and succeed (think of Shadab, Hassan Ali, Rumman, Amir etc.) yet that approach does not seem to have been mirrored when it comes to batting. Why?

A couple of observations:

1. For starters, they've only selected six specialist batsmen in the squad (including Sarfaraz). Given it is a squad of 16, is that really the best the selectors could muster? What makes the squad balance all the more strange is that in terms of the playing XI the bowling line up is pretty set in stone and it is the batting which has some spaces up for grabs. Yet they only select six specialist batsmen in a squad of 16!

2. Only one "new" batsman has been brought in: Umar Amin. Now with the greatest respect, why on earth have they selected yet another anchor? His only saving grace is the fact he is a left hander. Of the six specialist batsmen, four/five will be playing very similar roles- ie. an anchoring role at a S/R of 115. Why not give some more aggressive batsmen a chance. What's there to lose?

3. I know people will mention the likes of Ashraf and Yamin etc. but I would say two things: (i) they are unlikely to feature as top order batsmen and (ii) they are all rounders. In this modern era, teams should be looking to score from ball 1, not just in the last five overs.

4. It's great to see Hafeez out of the squad, but why keep selecting Shehzad? He has shown time and again that he cannot/will not bring his "A" game to the international stage, and instead chooses to bat selfishly. This series was a perfect chance to try out a few younger alternatives, yet the selectors have taken the "safer" route. Why?

No doubt some posters will ask who should have been selected. Talat is someone that both Mickey and Azhar have praised as being a very good aggressive batsman. Sure, his bowling is undercooked but why not select him as a specialist batsman for now?

Sahibzada Farhan is another contender: he has passed every test given to him with flying colours. He is clearly someone they are keeping an eye on, yet they refuse to select him. Why hold him back?
 
Good post and congrats, with regards to Sahibzada we will see him soon, as it stands I think they are holding him off given his inexperience, he only has 7 FC games to his name and 9 List A games to his name with 1 T20. He is on the radar which is a positive and we will see him soon but even by the standards of optimists surely it would be too early throwing him in at the deep end. In contrast, Fakhar has 35 FC games to his name , 52 List A games and 38 T20's. A little more experience can certainly help. Anyhow overall I am satisfied with Inzi's selections but you do make a good point with regards to our hesitation in giving young batsman more of a go.
 
Yet a certain someone thinks Inzi is the "GREATEST SELECTOR THAT HAS DAWNED THE SURFACD OF THE EARTH"
 
Yet a certain someone thinks Inzi is the "GREATEST SELECTOR THAT HAS DAWNED THE SURFACD OF THE EARTH"

To be fair he did select the squad which won the Champions Trophy, maybe not the best in the world but by Pakistani standards certainly very good
 
Thank you for awarding me this post- it is very much appreciated. [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
 
Good post and congrats, with regards to Sahibzada we will see him soon, as it stands I think they are holding him off given his inexperience, he only has 7 FC games to his name and 9 List A games to his name with 1 T20. He is on the radar which is a positive and we will see him soon but even by the standards of optimists surely it would be too early throwing him in at the deep end. In contrast, Fakhar has 35 FC games to his name , 52 List A games and 38 T20's. A little more experience can certainly help. Anyhow overall I am satisfied with Inzi's selections but you do make a good point with regards to our hesitation in giving young batsman more of a go.

Thanks.

We've never let inexperience get in the way of selecting a bowler for the national team- the mantra of "if he is good enough, he is old enough" comes to mind (Shadab, Hassan Ali, Amir etc).

Yet we don't show that same attitude with the batting- instead preferring to rely on "experience." In upcoming t20 series, PCB should be inducting new batsmen into the team- that's the only way to develop bench strength.

What makes it all the more strange is the fact that the chief selector himself made his name by being picked from relative obscurity.
 
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Thanks.

We've never let inexperience get in the way of selecting a bowler for the national team- the mantra of "if he is good enough, he is old enough" comes to mind (Shadab, Hassan Ali, Amir etc).

Yet we don't show that same attitude with the batting- instead preferring to rely on "experience." In upcoming t20 series, PCB should be inducting new batsmen into the team- that's the only way to develop bench strength.

What makes it all the more strange is the fact that the chief selector himself made his name by being picked from relative obscurity.

Yeah that's more to do with their scepticism with regards to our batting resources while historically we've always been a stronger team when it comes to bowling, but a positive is that names like Shadab are on the radar so we should see them soon enough; but they certainly could show some more intent and take risks when it comes to our batting moving forward
 
Yeah that's more to do with their scepticism with regards to our batting resources while historically we've always been a stronger team when it comes to bowling, but a positive is that names like Shadab are on the radar so we should see them soon enough; but they certainly could show some more intent and take risks when it comes to our batting moving forward

This is the narrative that needs challenging head on.

As you have said, hopefully we will start to see "intent" from the management when it comes to batting.
 
To be fair he did select the squad which won the Champions Trophy, maybe not the best in the world but by Pakistani standards certainly very good

He doesn't deserve any credit for the CT success because he ordered the selections of Shehzad and Azhar Ali to open together. After the thrashing against India it was Sarfraz + Mickey who then decided to drop the useless selfie king for Fakhar Zaman.

Maybe without Inzi Pakistan could have won every game or at least competed against India in the group match.
 
He doesn't deserve any credit for the CT success because he ordered the selections of Shehzad and Azhar Ali to open together. After the thrashing against India it was Sarfraz + Mickey who then decided to drop the useless selfie king for Fakhar Zaman.

Maybe without Inzi Pakistan could have won every game or at least competed against India in the group match.

Selectors pick the squad, coach and captain pick the playing XI.

Mickey said it was his choice to play Shehzad (presumably after discussing it with Sarfaraz), so not sure why you are blaming Inzi.

The defeat to India in the group stages was a blessing in disguise.
 
Selectors pick the squad, coach and captain pick the playing XI.

Mickey said it was his choice to play Shehzad (presumably after discussing it with Sarfaraz), so not sure why you are blaming Inzi.

The defeat to India in the group stages was a blessing in disguise.

Mickey was to blame for picking wahab but in the case of Shehzad this was Inzi's doing...
 
Mickey was to blame for picking wahab but in the case of Shehzad this was Inzi's doing...

So on your version, Mickey is lying and Inzi is to blame. I would be interested to hear what makes you believe this conspiracy theory.

Inzi selected the squad so your suggestion he "doesn't deserve any credit for the CT success" is beyond silly.
 
Wonderful addition to the forum. I haven't been active since a while but I diligently read your posts. They are always very well written and contain good insight.
 
So on your version, Mickey is lying and Inzi is to blame. I would be interested to hear what makes you believe this conspiracy theory.

Inzi selected the squad so your suggestion he "doesn't deserve any credit for the CT success" is beyond silly.

Mickey never took responsibility for selecting Shehzad - it was for wahab. This is actually old news and was mentioned by several posters after the tournament because it's a well known fact.
 
Mickey never took responsibility for selecting Shehzad - it was for wahab. This is actually old news and was mentioned by several posters after the tournament because it's a well known fact.

Watch Mickey's press conference before the group stage match- he was asked about Fakhar's omission and he said he felt Shehzad and Azhar was the "best opening combination." Was he lying?

As I have already said, Inzi and his fellow selectors were responsible for selecting Shehzad as part of the squad- that is the extent of their blame. Likewise, Inzi and co. are to blame for Shehzad being part of the "Independence Cup" Squad. (As an aside picking Shehzad for the CT can in part be justified by the lack of options (spot fixing episode) but in my view that argument does not apply to the Independence Cup as there were alternatives.)

But the key point is this: whether Shehzad is part of the playing XI is down to Mickey/Sarfaraz.

So I will ask three questions:

1. Are you denying that selectors pick the squad, but it is the coach and captain who pick the playing XI?

2. If it is such a "well known fact" that Inzi forced Mickey to play Shehzad, can you provide a source to back up your claim?

3. Do you seriously believe Inzi "doesn't deserve any credit for the CT success"? If so, then there is no point continuing this discussion.
 
Wonderful addition to the forum. I haven't been active since a while but I diligently read your posts. They are always very well written and contain good insight.

You are too kind- I can only hope my future posts meet your expectations!

ps. your signature is certainly attracting attention! For what it is worth, Inzi is definitely one of the better selectors PC has had. :inzi
 
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