POTW Time Pass and Sports : Rajdeep

[MenInG]

Judging a POTW in Time Pass and Sports is an exercise full of perils! However, I am hoping all will agree that this well-balanced post about a topic that is still being discussed will meet the high standards

Congratulations to [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION]


http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ods-in-the-Arab-world&p=11494005#post11494005

Few things -

1) BJP has banned Nupur Sharma with bated breath keeping India's geo political interests in mind. India has oil ties with middle east, many Indians live in Gulf countries and contribute to Indian economy. India and Middle east have very good trade relationship which only excelled under present Indian govt. Modi himself got highest civilian award from them. So we are in no position to upset them at all. Economy & money trumps everything.

2) Contrary to what many believes, India is no superpower like China and in no position to upset Gulf countries, Europe or USA. You think China will ever apologize to middle east for their treatment of Uighur muslims? Neither any country can arm twist China. But India dont have that leverage and will always be sub servant to those countries.

3) Most important thing - we must stop blaming Islamic countries or even Indian muslims. They are doing the right thing by defending their religion and they must. I actually love the way they protect their religion. The blame lies only and only with those brown-nosing Indian hindu liberals who are doing bhangra from last 3-4 days. Unfortunately I dont have enough adjective to define them. Yesterday I was watching a news debate in Aaj Tak where there were many guests along with Saba Naqvi. Saba few days ago shared an image of Shivlinga (hindu god) in some derogatory way but she deleted that tweet yesterday after Nupur Sharma incident fearing backlash. When Aaj Tak anchor asked her what is the difference then between you and Nupur as both maligning each other's religion, her response was she simply re-tweeted it which originally was posted by Mahua Moitra (TMC MP). Her arguement was if Mahua, being a bonafide hindu can share that image, why cant I? And she was absolutely correct. Atleast she has the decency to delete that tweet but I am sure Mahua (thekedar of liberal gang) still wont.

So I think its high time we should stop blaming muslims. The fault lies somewhere else. If you dont respect your own religion, no one else would.

That is why in India Akbarudding Owaisi who openly abused hindu gods in a rally in hyderabad is still a MLA in Telangana Assembly, that is why MF Hussain who painted naked Indian gods was given citizenship in Qatar but Nupur Sharma is banned and getting rape/beheading and murder threats.

As Indian we must stop complaining and move with the flow as fault lies within us. Neither Modi nor BJP would do anything.

 

[pillionrider]

Congrats [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION]

Interesting that [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] has referred to this as well-balanced because what the OP was suggesting was: Hindus are not balanced enough now, and need to feel more outraged than they do currently when it comes to slights thrown at the religion

 

[MenInG]

Congrats [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION]

Interesting that [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] has referred to this as well-balanced because what the OP was suggesting was: Hindus are not balanced enough now, and need to feel more outraged than they do currently when it comes to slights thrown at the religion

My opinion bro.

But as I said, in TPS, no such thing as a good opinion - there are always people who dont like it.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I disagree with laying the blame at the feet of liberals but this was very well thought out and well articulated post.

Well done Rajdeep!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That was his best post in the thread but soon after that his inner andhbhakt woke up and started blaming everyone except BJP.

 

[Rajdeep]

Thank you PP and [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

 

[NishanKonar]

If Amit Shah wants - he can get Akbaruddin Owaisi arrested and have him rot in jail. But Amit Shah will never do it. For him Owaisi is a huge asset. He will use Owaisi videos in whatsapp groups and social media to create the narrative of Hindu victimhood. This will create more polarization and win BJP votes

For the BJP its never about Hindu rights. It was always about winning elections. The day BJP fans understand this strategy , only then there will be a way out

 

[Kroll]

Congrats [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION]

Interesting that [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] has referred to this as well-balanced because what the OP was suggesting was: Hindus are not balanced enough now, and need to feel more outraged than they do currently when it comes to slights thrown at the religion

The way I read it, he said India should stop blaming Muslims and Indian Muslim but the 2nd last paragraph is confusing in the context of the post.

So I don’t know but congrats to Rajdeep regardless.

 

[Pakpak]

The way I read it, he said India should stop blaming Muslims and Indian Muslim but the 2nd last paragraph is confusing in the context of the post.

So I don’t know but congrats to Rajdeep regardless.

Yup I agree. His point was Hindus should be doing the same (not sure what he means as the far-right in power in India under BJP already are lynching and butchering their way through the Muslim community in India)

 

[MenInG]

The way I read it, he said India should stop blaming Muslims and Indian Muslim but the 2nd last paragraph is confusing in the context of the post.

So I don’t know but congrats to Rajdeep regardless.

Yup I agree. His point was Hindus should be doing the same (not sure what he means as the far-right in power in India under BJP already are lynching and butchering their way through the Muslim community in India)

[MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION]

Please explain!

 

[Local.Dada]

Excellent post Rajdeep and congrats. You are right about the unity in Muslims.

Right from Al-Qaeda to the most liberal of Muslims is protesting this as offensive.

Hindus the liberal ones would themselves make blasphemous statements about Hinduism leave alone get enraged to a point of supporting beheading.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Well done bro [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION]

You supported a formalist who endorsed malign photos of hindu gods.

 

[Rajdeep]

The way I read it, he said India should stop blaming Muslims and Indian Muslim but the 2nd last paragraph is confusing in the context of the post.

So I don’t know but congrats to Rajdeep regardless.

Yup I agree. His point was Hindus should be doing the same (not sure what he means as the far-right in power in India under BJP already are lynching and butchering their way through the Muslim community in India)

First of all I believe mocking/abusing any religion is bad and in that sense what Nupur Sharma did is bad and BJP acted accordingly in banning him.

My post was more about hypocrisy from Indian hindu liberals. The values they want everyone to adopt but wont apply same values to themselves. They are after the head of Nupur for abusing Islam but won't find any indecency when Mahua Moitra was sharing insulting Lord Shiva image. Likes of Kunal Kamra regularly mocks hinduism in his 3rd grade stand up comedy show. I can go on and on with examples. There is a famous quote from Shakespeare - 'If to do were as easy as to know what were good to do, chapels had been churches, and poor men’s cottages princes’ palaces'. It applies perfectly to our liberal gang.

That is why I said - we should stop blaming Indian Muslims or Arab world. All they are doing is protecting & fighting for their religion. The fault lies somewhere else

 

[Colorblind Genius]

That was his best post in the thread but soon after that his inner andhbhakt woke up and started blaming everyone except BJP.

exactly !!

 

[sweep_shot]

Congratulations.

 

[Kroll]

First of all I believe mocking/abusing any religion is bad and in that sense what Nupur Sharma did is bad and BJP acted accordingly in banning him.

My post was more about hypocrisy from Indian hindu liberals. The values they want everyone to adopt but wont apply same values to themselves. They are after the head of Nupur for abusing Islam but won't find any indecency when Mahua Moitra was sharing insulting Lord Shiva image. Likes of Kunal Kamra regularly mocks hinduism in his 3rd grade stand up comedy show. I can go on and on with examples. There is a famous quote from Shakespeare - 'If to do were as easy as to know what were good to do, chapels had been churches, and poor men’s cottages princes’ palaces'. It applies perfectly to our liberal gang.

That is why I said - we should stop blaming Indian Muslims or Arab world. All they are doing is protecting & fighting for their religion. The fault lies somewhere else

Cool, but are you not doing the same in your 2nd last paragraph?

I now know the full point you’re trying to make thanks@Pakpak but was there any need to write in that manner?

 

[pillionrider]

The way I read it, he said India should stop blaming Muslims and Indian Muslim but the 2nd last paragraph is confusing in the context of the post.

So I don’t know but congrats to Rajdeep regardless.

I'll stop sugarcoating - he wants Indian Hindus to mimic the ways of the most extreme Muslim defenders of their faith. He thinks Hindus are too liberal. He respects extremists.

 

[pillionrider]

I hope [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] runs into some drunken white supremacists if he ever steps out for a nightly jaunt. He'll maybe getting a deeper understanding of the balance he so fervently craves for us in India.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Congratulations Rajdeep for the POTW.

As for liberals being the villains...

It's standard operating procedure to present liberals as the traitors of India lol.

Meanwhile reality is:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is AIMIM leader and MP Imtiyaz Jaleel provoking a crowd of thousands by stating, "Isko phansi dena hai to Aurangaband ki isi chourahe pe de.". This is hate speech, pure and simple. <a href="https://t.co/QfuSjvbqJ3">pic.twitter.com/QfuSjvbqJ3</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1535557612086775808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Even a day after <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ANI</a> put this tweet out; Imtiaz Jaleel didn't refute it, even though his followers screamed 'misquote'<br>Turns out that he asked for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NupurSharma?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NupurSharma</a>'s hanging many times - On Record. <br>FYI - HATE CANNOT BE DEFEATED BY CALLS FOR MORE VIOLENCE<a href="https://t.co/owAAhiXxbs">https://t.co/owAAhiXxbs</a></p>— The DeshBhakt &#55356;&#56814;&#55356;&#56819; (@TheDeshBhakt) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheDeshBhakt/status/1535564324634492928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The reality is India is divided into 3 categories:

1. Right wingers (Hindus and Muslim groups)
2. Shameless parties (pandering to right wingers)
3. Liberals (who criticize all)

There might be some liberals putting on an act but the real liberals don't have sides.

Liberals are the last man standing.

They fall.

India as we know it, falls.

Everytime I dig into right winger claims, it NEVER adds up.

 

[pillionrider]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is AIMIM leader and MP Imtiyaz Jaleel provoking a crowd of thousands by stating, "Isko phansi dena hai to Aurangaband ki isi chourahe pe de.". This is hate speech, pure and simple. <a href="https://t.co/QfuSjvbqJ3">pic.twitter.com/QfuSjvbqJ3</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1535557612086775808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The guy trying to set fire to what I assume is Nupur's photo, failing and then deciding to go traditional Indian by chappaling it )

The status of people like Mohammed Zubair reminds me of something Javed Akhtar once said, As long as both right wing Hindus and Muslims are attacking me, I know I'm doing alright.

 

[pillionrider]

Sorry [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION], you got this wrong. Just my opinion.

 

[Local.Dada]

Congratulations Rajdeep for the POTW.

As for liberals being the villains...

It's standard operating procedure to present liberals as the traitors of India lol.

Meanwhile reality is:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is AIMIM leader and MP Imtiyaz Jaleel provoking a crowd of thousands by stating, "Isko phansi dena hai to Aurangaband ki isi chourahe pe de.". This is hate speech, pure and simple. <a href="https://t.co/QfuSjvbqJ3">pic.twitter.com/QfuSjvbqJ3</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1535557612086775808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Even a day after <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ANI</a> put this tweet out; Imtiaz Jaleel didn't refute it, even though his followers screamed 'misquote'<br>Turns out that he asked for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NupurSharma?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NupurSharma</a>'s hanging many times - On Record. <br>FYI - HATE CANNOT BE DEFEATED BY CALLS FOR MORE VIOLENCE<a href="https://t.co/owAAhiXxbs">https://t.co/owAAhiXxbs</a></p>— The DeshBhakt (@TheDeshBhakt) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheDeshBhakt/status/1535564324634492928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The reality is India is divided into 3 categories:

1. Right wingers (Hindus and Muslim groups)
2. Shameless parties (pandering to right wingers)
3. Liberals (who criticize all)

There might be some liberals putting on an act but the real liberals don't have sides.

Liberals are the last man standing.

They fall.

India as we know it, falls.

Everytime I dig into right winger claims, it NEVER adds up.

Not sure why “liberal” has become a bad term. I see myself as a liberal and still support the Indian govt

 

[Rajdeep]

Not sure why “liberal” has become a bad term. I see myself as a liberal and still support the Indian govt

Agree mate. I am a liberal too and believe in equality.

My post was about pseudo liberals who has made a mockery of that term.

If likes of Zoobear, Akash Banerjee, Swara Bhaskar, NDTV, Kunal Kamra, Ashok Swain, Mahua Moitra etal are liberals then I am Nelson Mandela...LOL.

These guys are simply anti-Hindu/anti-India who is hiding under the guise of secularism.

They speak the same language as likes of Tarek Fatheh or Adnan Sami does for Pakistan.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Not sure why “liberal” has become a bad term. I see myself as a liberal and still support the Indian govt

Agree mate. I am a liberal too and believe in equality.

My post was about pseudo liberals who has made a mockery of that term.

If likes of Zoobear, Akash Banerjee, Swara Bhaskar, NDTV, Kunal Kamra, Ashok Swain, Mahua Moitra etal are liberals then I am Nelson Mandela...LOL.

These guys are simply anti-Hindu/anti-India who is hiding under the guise of secularism.

They speak the same language as likes of Tarek Fatheh or Adnan Sami does for Pakistan.

You guys do realize that the liberal & conservative tags are part of a political spectrum (comprising of radicals on both ends, moderates and centrists).

And on top of that, the centre keeps shifting over time.

Meaning, a liberal of 1970 would be a conservative of 2000 (if centre shifts towards the left side over time which usually happens in most countries).

You guys might have been liberals 10-20 years ago but you are not one today.

Not by current standards.

You are right of centre imho.

Instead of calling yourself the "true" liberals, own up and wear your conservative tag.

Whats wrong in it.

We are who we are.

This is the crux of the whole problem.

You guys see yourself as liberals.

The "real" liberals.

Which is why anyone to the left seems like a "fake" liberal or a pseudo secular to you.

Also another problem is that you seem to equate being liberal as someone who is most reasonable.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Rewind or fast forward 500 years and our meaning of what is liberal or conservative would be completely alien to that world. What seems reasonable in that world would seem ******* crazy to us.

Also, just like there is a political spectrum....we have economic spectrum....and also religious spectrum.

For example - someone like me might be a liberal from a political standpoint but hyper conservative from a personal religious beliefs standpoint.

We don't have to fit into nice little boxes.

Humans are defo more complex than that.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Not sure why “liberal” has become a bad term. I see myself as a liberal and still support the Indian govt

Liberals are those who are willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own, open to new ideas.

But in India meaning of liberal is completely different.
Liberals in India are not liberals by any stretch of the imagination. They are just hypocrites.

So called Indian Liberals use 'Liberal' tag to mock whoever they want want based on their political and religious agenda.

They usually pander to one community or the other instead of praising or condemning all good and bad equally.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

LMAO have folks even met and talked to right wingers from other nations.

If they did, they would know they view liberals with utter contempt too.

Same arguments used against those liberals too.

They are hypocrites....anti army...pro illegal immigrants....pro abortion...anti Christianity....pro Muslims (LMAO) etc etc

They are accused of being bleeding hearts who support illegal immigrants but won't mind killing defenseless babies.

Same old stuff.

I think someone somewhere made up this theory that foreign liberals are real liberals while Indian liberals are hypocrites and its swallowed hook, line and sinker by our junta.

Which is why we hear the same old ghissa pitta arguments about pseudo secularism, hypocrisy, etc, etc.

To be honest, we liberals also use too much ghissa pita arguments ourselves.

Its a universal problem.

Hilarious to watch tho.

 

[gani999]

LMAO have folks even met and talked to right wingers from other nations.

If they did, they would know they view liberals with utter contempt too.

Same arguments used against those liberals too.

They are hypocrites....anti army...pro illegal immigrants....pro abortion...anti Christianity....pro Muslims (LMAO) etc etc

They are accused of being bleeding hearts who support illegal immigrants but won't mind killing defenseless babies.

Same old stuff.

I think someone somewhere made up this theory that foreign liberals are real liberals while Indian liberals are hypocrites and its swallowed hook, line and sinker by our junta.

Which is why we hear the same old ghissa pitta arguments about pseudo secularism, hypocrisy, etc, etc.

To be honest, we liberals also use too much ghissa pita arguments ourselves.

Its a universal problem.

Hilarious to watch tho.

The 'so-called 'liberals' that you talk about are anarchists and neo-communists working under the 'liberal' flag. There is nothing 'liberal' about them and they are as rabidly intolerant as they come. Just disagree them, even peacefully, and they'll get all personal and put labels like 'facist', 'Neo-nazi', 'racist', and so on against your name. In India, they'll label you a 'bhakht'.

Sad that some muslims have thrown their lot with these hypocrites who don't care for Islam or any other religion. They will only give Islam and muslims a bad name.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Agree with the premise, that muslims have ghairat and waqar and not ashamed to stand up for that, while most hindus (due to years of being ruled) have become brown nosers, and they only show courage when they are sure of no retaliation.

 

[Local.Dada]

LMAO have folks even met and talked to right wingers from other nations.

If they did, they would know they view liberals with utter contempt too.

Same arguments used against those liberals too.

They are hypocrites....anti army...pro illegal immigrants....pro abortion...anti Christianity....pro Muslims (LMAO) etc etc

They are accused of being bleeding hearts who support illegal immigrants but won't mind killing defenseless babies.

Same old stuff.

I think someone somewhere made up this theory that foreign liberals are real liberals while Indian liberals are hypocrites and its swallowed hook, line and sinker by our junta.

Which is why we hear the same old ghissa pitta arguments about pseudo secularism, hypocrisy, etc, etc.

To be honest, we liberals also use too much ghissa pita arguments ourselves.

Its a universal problem.

Hilarious to watch tho.

Dude I don’t think anyone has any different opinions on what you said.

All I said was I don’t like the word “liberal” being used as an abuse/ insult because being liberal is a good thing. Too bad it’s become a joke or a bad thing due to hypocrites .

No confusion on the commonly understood usage.

 

[RexRex]

Should a post that says hindus aren't extreme enough as islamists in defending their religion, thus upping the ante & scourge of religious extemism in the subcontinent, be given this PP award ? Blasphemy is a terrible concept and responsible for causing so much misery to people in India and Pakistan.

This is a poor choice for POTW in my opinion.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Agree with the premise, that muslims have ghairat and waqar and not ashamed to stand up for that, while most hindus (due to years of being ruled) have become brown nosers, and they only show courage when they are sure of no retaliation.

What do you think has caused most Hindus to become beghairat?

 

[gani999]

What do you think has caused most Hindus to become beghairat?

Hindus aren't beghairat. They are simply too tolerant. This was also the case before Islam came to India so it has nothing to do with being ruled. In fact, hindus got ruled only because of their tolerance.

This is changing soon, though.

 

[RexRex]

hindus got ruled only because of their tolerance.

What does this even mean ? Please elaborate. Making vague statements like this is not very educational. If you say they didn't have a sense of common purpose or unity unlike in other centralised religions, that makes a bit of sense.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Hindus aren't beghairat. They are simply too tolerant. This was also the case before Islam came to India so it has nothing to do with being ruled. In fact, hindus got ruled only because of their tolerance.

This is changing soon, though.

Where were the tolerant ones when the Hindu kings attacked each other and killed Buddhists etc?

It seems a complete over simplification to say 'hindus' are too tolerant.

 

[James]

Congratulations [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION].

Also well done [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] on the selection.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Dude I don’t think anyone has any different opinions on what you said.

All I said was I don’t like the word “liberal” being used as an abuse/ insult because being liberal is a good thing. Too bad it’s become a joke or a bad thing due to hypocrites .

No confusion on the commonly understood usage.

That post wasn't directed at you.