Praveen Kumar announces retirement from all formats [Update Post #122]

[tmac4real]

Seems like a genuine wicket taker that could really do some damage in test matches.

First Class Avg: 21.50 at 44 SR.

 

[Wazeeri]

He's not test material

and this is not the cricket forum,

MOVED.


Wicket to wicket bowling can get you only so far. The man has nothing other than swing with the new ball and one single line.

 

[TruSachFan]

Just like irfan Pathan, he'd be useless in the subcontinental tracks.

 

[Mohsin]

Like Wazeeri said, not test material. In ODIs he's effective in the initial overs with the ball swinging. In test's he wont be able to do anything special, he hasn't got any pace or anything

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Ever since the incident where he beat that doctor up, I just can't bring myself to like him.

 

[tmac4real]

Like Wazeeri said, not test material. In ODIs he's effective in the initial overs with the ball swinging. In test's he wont be able to do anything special, he hasn't got any pace or anything

that's like Pathan and on certain occasions RP Singh.

 

[maamrut]

Agreed he shouldn;t be anywhere near the Test side.He is one-dimensional.

 

[tmac4real]

He has one of hte lowest averages of any of test bowlers in the curretn team, he should be give a chanc.e

 

[Ghoshtbuster]

It is generally accepted that the white ball swings more than the red ball. Thus, Praveen's (lol, girls name) ability to swing the ball would appear exaggerated in ODI cricket compared to Test cricket.

Could be used as a specialist swing bowler though, in conditions which are certian to favour swing over spin.

 

[tmac4real]

It is generally accepted that the white ball swings more than the red ball. Thus, Praveen's (lol, girls name) ability to swing the ball would appear exaggerated in ODI cricket compared to Test cricket.

Could be used as a specialist swing bowler though, in conditions which are certian to favour swing over spin.

that's what I'm saying. Like instead of taking Pathan next time (when they take him) give a chance to Praveen.

 

[Ghoshtbuster]

that's what I'm saying. Like instead of taking Pathan next time (when they take him) give a chance to Praveen.

He has a very good average for First Class (as you posted in the OP) - so he definatly is doing the right things in domestic cricket.

Do the Indian Board label players as ODI or Test specialists only, just like the PCB do?

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

It is generally accepted that the white ball swings more than the red ball. Thus, Praveen's (lol, girls name) ability to swing the ball would appear exaggerated in ODI cricket compared to Test cricket.

Could be used as a specialist swing bowler though, in conditions which are certian to favour swing over spin.

Here in India 'Praveen' is a name for guys, not girls. What about in Pakistan ?

 

[Ghoshtbuster]

Here in India 'Praveen' is a name for guys, not girls. What about in Pakistan ?

I dont know. I think it may be unisex. But sounds feminine, just like Naseem :dna

 

[nikred]

I dont know. I think it may be unisex. But sounds feminine, just like Naseem :dna

As far as i know the girl form of the name "Praveen" is "Praveena" and Praveen is a boys name.

Source: Personally know two Praveen's and a Praveena.

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

I dont know. I think it may be unisex. But sounds feminine, just like Naseem :dna

Don't insult the great man.

 

[sohaib17]

i think he is more like rao ( better control and more swing ) but with red ball u need some agresssion and power in ur bowling line and lenght won't get u wicket in test regularly

white ball swings alot more and as we have seen after the first spell he is more like irfan bowlinf cutters and slower balls whihc i guess is ok in ODI's but won't work in Test

 

[Sufian84]

dont seem like test material but we will never know unless they give him a chance and i think they should give him a chance

 

[161]

He should definitely get a test call-up.

Particularly when India tour Pak

 

[jusarrived]

nope , not test material .....wudnt play him even for odi's on flat pitches !

 

[PlanetPakistan]

Nope- barely ODI material.

 

[DHONI183]

It is generally accepted that the white ball swings more than the red ball. Thus, Praveen's (lol, girls name) ability to swing the ball would appear exaggerated in ODI cricket compared to Test cricket.

Could be used as a specialist swing bowler though, in conditions which are certian to favour swing over spin.

I think there is bit of a confusion here. The female name which we often hear of Pakistani girls is 'Parveen' and not 'Praveen' (which surely is an Indian name for boys).

Edit:

Just found the meanings of the both names:

'Praveen' means "skilled" in Sanskrit language.

'Parveen' Means "the Pleiades" in Persian language.

 

[moumotta]

I think there is bit of a confusion here. The female name which we often hear of Pakistani girls is 'Parveen' and not 'Praveen' (which surely is an Indian name for boys).

Edit:

Just found the meanings of the both names:

'Praveen' means "skilled" in Sanskrit language.

'Parveen' Means "the Pleiades" in Persian language.

To add to the confusion Praveen amd Parveen may be pronounced the same in some communities. I have seen it with Indian Punjabis who pronounce Dhamendra as Dhamender.

 

[Momo]

'Praveen' means "skilled" in Sanskrit language.

'Parveen' Means "the Pleiades" in Persian language.

And what does "Pleiades" mean in urdu language?

 

[12thMan]

So if Praveen was in the lineup of last test series against India it would have been
Zaheer/Ishant, Praveen, Kumble, Harbhajan

if Praveen can bat and bowlers are filt then he can compete with someone like Pathan but it will be hard to fit him in
Zaheer/Ishant/Sreesanth/RP (pick 2), Praveen/Pathan, Kumble, Harbhajan

The above is taking that India will play 2 spinners most of the test matches

 

[rahulrulezz]

most people here are saying that he is not a flat pitch bowler...as a matter of fact, he was choosen on his perfomance on flat pitches... in my opinion, out of all the bowlers, he is the most effective on flat pitches... he has far better average and strike rate in domestic circuit and is miles ahead of any other fast bowler in domestic circuit... and we all know our domestic circuit should actually be called 'flat pitches circuit'

 

[tmac4real]

most people here are saying that he is not a flat pitch bowler...as a matter of fact, he was choosen on his perfomance on flat pitches... in my opinion, out of all the bowlers, he is the most effective on flat pitches... he has far better average and strike rate in domestic circuit and is miles ahead of any other fast bowler in domestic circuit... and we all know our domestic circuit should actually be called 'flat pitches circuit'

thank you..

 

[Random Aussie]

To replace Zaheer or Ishant? )

India have decent pace bowlers these days.

 

[tmac4real]

To replace Zaheer or Ishant? )

India have decent pace bowlers these days.

there are more than two pacers...

 

[Random Aussie]

there are more than two pacers...

So ahead of RP Singh or Sreesanth?

And India only play 2 pacers in Tests....

 

[tmac4real]

So ahead of RP Singh or Sreesanth?

And India only play 2 pacers in Tests....

when they play 3, half the time someone is injured, that's how pathan gets his chances...Praveen is as good as Pathan with ball and Pathan has got some test callups.

 

[Momo]

when they play 3, half the time someone is injured, that's how pathan gets his chances...Praveen is as good as Pathan with balls and Pathan has got some test callups.

corrected.

 

[deathstreak]

most people here are saying that he is not a flat pitch bowler...as a matter of fact, he was choosen on his perfomance on flat pitches... in my opinion, out of all the bowlers, he is the most effective on flat pitches... he has far better average and strike rate in domestic circuit and is miles ahead of any other fast bowler in domestic circuit... and we all know our domestic circuit should actually be called 'flat pitches circuit'

Our Domestic cricket has changed quiet a bit.
Its become a paradise. Lots of swing bowlers in our domestic league.
In fact the decent spinners have become scarce.
West Bengal for example had as many as four swing bowlers in its test side.

 

[kingusama92]

I think the only reason Praveen does well in ODIs is because of batsman going after him. I don't think he would be that effective in tests due to the lack of pace and major swing. He is a neat and tidy bowler who can bowl you some tidy overs and perhaps chip in with a few wickets in a test match. Although I don't think India need that right now with Ishant and Zak leading the attack... Plus there are always better option in RP Singh and Sreesanth who are faster and more experienced...

 

[A-Man]

He can swing the ball quite a bit but thats a about it - no other strings to his bow.

 

[Jeevs]

^^^ That's one string more than a lot of bows - Pathan and Munaf for e.g.

 

[pakistani pride]

He will get smashed in Tests. You can compare him with rao.
Pathan plays ahead of him because he is a batsmen and can bowl a bit in TESTS

 

[Bumblebee]

Praveen Kumar

i was just wondering, where praveen kumar is??
Is he injured or dropped? if he is dropped i think it is unfair cause the guy is a decent bowler! Helped us win in Australia (bowled brilliantly in both the finals) and also bowled decently in the Asia cup and kitply cup certainly better then irfan pathan!

 

[bones20]

He has joined films

 

[Oxy]

i was just wondering, where praveen kumar is??
Is he injured or dropped? if he is dropped i think it is unfair cause the guy is a decent bowler! Helped us win in Australia (bowled brilliantly in both the finals) and also bowled decently in the Asia cup and kitply cup certainly better then irfan pathan!

Too many domestic probalems with him mum & wife I think.

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

Why are you worried, when you have the bowling riches of Praveen Kumar, Amit Mishra, Ishant Sharma, Sreesanth, Zaheer Khan, Harbhajan Singh.....this bench strength is excellent to have and is unlike Pakistan's non-playing and non-existent stars which are Mohammad Asif, Umar Gul, Shoaib Akhtar, Danish Kaneria, Saeed Ajmal

 

[Bumblebee]

thanx for merging it, never knew there wasa thread about kumar!

 

[bones20]

Praveen Kumar rocks!

 

[Bumblebee]

Why are you worried, when you have the bowling riches of Praveen Kumar, Amit Mishra, Ishant Sharma, Sreesanth, Zaheer Khan, Harbhajan Singh.....this bench strength is excellent to have and is unlike Pakistan's non-playing and non-existent stars which are Mohammad Asif, Umar Gul, Shoaib Akhtar, Danish Kaneria, Saeed Ajmal

not worried just curious, that why isnt he in the squad?
and i am not comparing our bench strength with pakistan, that is a different issue.

 

[Savak]

He is a pretty good new ball bowler. I wonder why has he not been played?

 

[pjkilla]

P Kumar has not been as effective in the sub-continent as he has been outside

 

[Bhajis_acid_tongue]

P Kumar has not been as effective in the sub-continent as he has been outside

indeed. but he is a good lad.

 

[undisputed]

he also hit an 124m six in the IPL i remember.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Early days yet but he could do well in England - having a great start to the current test series.

 

[ammo]

well mcgrath only really had one line he only changes line to make them uncomfortable, praveen is a quality bowler but he nees one or two good variations.

 

[jusarrived]

nope , not test material .....wudnt play him even for odi's on flat pitches !

may be I was wrong , am impressed for now . He could be deadly in England . would be my pick for the 3rd seamer

 

[Indiafan]

P Kumar has not been as effective in the sub-continent as he has been outside

Really? He has only played ODis and he has been pretty good. Always takes early wickets. his first class record in sub continent has been good too

 

[Indiafan]

may be I was wrong , am impressed for now . He could be deadly in England . would be my pick for the 3rd seamer

A bowler who can swing the ball both ways ( and he is capable of doing this on the flattest of pitches ) is worth his weight in gold, He can be our Asif

 

[kasim7864]

Won't be effective against better batsmen. He swings the ball which can pose a problem but his lack of pace will not trouble the best as they will be able to bat outside their crease, come down the track to reduce the impact of his swing.

Similar thing happened to Asif in England last year where the likes of Pietersen and Trott could walk across the crease, come down the track and bat outside their crease. However, against Amir they couldn't as he was much faster hence why he did better than Asif.

Praveen Kumar is slower than Asif who averaged low 80s and Kumar seems to average around 75mph. Against the poor quality of batsmen he is currently bowling at his swing alone is good enough to trouble them however against England swing alone will not work it will have to be at pace otherwise it can be counter attacked and similar to a fast spinner.

 

[pun500]

Won't be effective against better batsmen. He swings the ball which can pose a problem but his lack of pace will not trouble the best as they will be able to bat outside their crease, come down the track to reduce the impact of his swing.

Similar thing happened to Asif in England last year where the likes of Pietersen and Trott could walk across the crease, come down the track and bat outside their crease. However, against Amir they couldn't as he was much faster hence why he did better than Asif.

Praveen Kumar is slower than Asif who averaged low 80s and Kumar seems to average around 75mph. Against the poor quality of batsmen he is currently bowling at his swing alone is good enough to trouble them however against England swing alone will not work it will have to be at pace otherwise it can be counter attacked and similar to a fast spinner.

TBH his pace increased in 1 test he was about 72-74 and now is about 76-78 with most deliveries.

They will work on his pace .If he hits 80-82 he will be lethal.

There is a difference between PK and asif. Asif was a seamer didnt really swing the ball in the air , PK swings in the air and off the pitch . Due to this he would get reverse( how effective god knows) but he has been good in domestic with reverse

 

[khalil1986]

he does not have sufficient pace to trouble batsman, needs to be 82-85mph atleast

 

[Bhaijaan]

Youngsta beauty

He is the most lethal swing bowler in world cricket right now And is also working up serious pace man, was bowling at 70mph yesterday

 

[anshu1]

He needs to be atleast 80-83mph to trouble good batsmen. And I do not see that happening. However, from whatever I have seen of him, he looks promising and can trouble the English batsmen in English conditions.

 

[AlizeeFan]

he does not have sufficient pace to trouble batsman, needs to be 82-85mph atleast

He needs to be atleast 80-83mph to trouble good batsmen. And I do not see that happening. However, from whatever I have seen of him, he looks promising and can trouble the English batsmen in English conditions.

Yeah, he needs to increase speed. He doesn't has enough skills yet to trouble batsman at this pace. Good batsman can find a way to play him. 85 mph should be good enough with the swing.

Youngsta beauty

He is the most lethal swing bowler in world cricket right now And is also working up serious pace man, was bowling at 70mph yesterday

His average speed was 76.4 yesterday.

 

[anshu1]

Somebody who bowls normally at 75 mph, touching 85 mph is almost impossible. And I do not feel he intends or is working on increasing pace. I do not like his runup. No way can he generate pace with that action. Although he looks physically strong and tall to bowl at around 80-85 mph.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Somebody who bowls normally at 75 mph, touching 85 mph is almost impossible. And I do not feel he intends or is working on increasing pace. I do not like his runup. No way can he generate pace with that action. Although he looks physically strong and tall to bowl at around 80-85 mph.

Earlier his average speed used to be more than 80 mph. So, I don't think he should have problems with increasing pace with this action and runup.

 

[dani2k]

Zak, Ishant and Praveen would make a decent fast medium attack for English conditions. I am quite optimistic about our prospects next month in the Old Blighty

 

[Bhaijaan]

There is room for bowlers like Kulaskera and Praveen in international cricket, dudes these days can't play little bit of swing

 

[CoolSERAZ]

tony greig said he reminded him of bob massie. i hope his test career doesnt go bust like massie.

 

[hur rizvi]

He is quite good test bowler ......

 

[hur rizvi]

Youngsta beauty

He is the most lethal swing bowler in world cricket right now And is also working up serious pace man, was bowling at 70mph yesterday

He is a very good bowler ........... but Most lethal swing bowler ??? how but dale steyn and jimmy anderson

 

[chaiwala]

Good bowler, but what is up with that run up? Looks like a spinner jogging in....

Also, I thought I saw a little bend in his arm. Has he been checked/cleared for chucking in the past?

 

[pun500]

Good bowler, but what is up with that run up? Looks like a spinner jogging in....

Also, I thought I saw a little bend in his arm. Has he been checked/cleared for chucking in the past?

nope never checked or called even in domestic

 

[Saj]

He's not eyecatching or all that quick, but has fantastic control of line and length.

Would it be unfair to say that he bowls the best outswinger in international cricket at the moment - perhaps Dale Steyn or Jimmy Anderson might disagree with that ?

 

[pun500]

He's not eyecatching or all that quick, but has fantastic control of line and length.

Would it be unfair to say that he bowls the best outswinger in international cricket at the moment - perhaps Dale Steyn or Jimmy Anderson might disagree with that ?

dale steyn by far in terms of impact. In terms of movement maybe PK but steyns phenomenal pace with his late outswing are simply lethal

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Praveen Kumar is the only bowler in the Indian Team with manly looks, he is built too, he should be generating more pace, he has good control of the ball, i hope he learns to ball faster then he can compete with Steyn.

 

[velu]

PK runs like a spinner , with this runup he cant bowl faster.

But if he bowls fast , i m not sure whether he can able to control his swing like what he is doing now.

 

[ash 68]

He's not eyecatching or all that quick, but has fantastic control of line and length.

Would it be unfair to say that he bowls the best outswinger in international cricket at the moment - perhaps Dale Steyn or Jimmy Anderson might disagree with that ?

Shows the low standards that world cricket bowling wise has dropped to...

 

[IAJ]

Decent bowler, good hitter and young as well. Let's follow his progress.

 

[cricketfanfirst]

Praveen has shown the ability to swing the ball both ways very consistently on this tour. Hope he continues to bowl this line and length and shows a bit of improvement in pace. Good sign to see geniune swing bowlers in world cricket.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Don't expect any increase in pace. His action, style won't let him bowl faster

 

[IAJ]

A bowler who can swing the ball both ways ( and he is capable of doing this on the flattest of pitches ) is worth his weight in gold, He can be our Asif

Keep dreaming, no harm in doing that.

 

[Howzat]

As far as i know the girl form of the name "Praveen" is "Praveena" and Praveen is a boys name.

Source: Personally know two Praveen's and a Praveena.

I think he is confusing Praveen with parveen?

 

[style_guru]

He is a street smart bowler, and that's what is required these days

 

[IAJ]

He is a street smart bowler, and that's what is required these days

Yeah I remember he said that prior to WC when Kumar was ruled out due to injury.

 

[Sledger]

There is a difference between PK and asif. Asif was a seamer didnt really swing the ball in the air.

That is 100% wrong.