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Predict the outcome of the 3 match England vs Pakistan T20I series

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Pakistan will take on England in 3 T20Is at Manchester on 28/08, 30/08 and 01/09.

Pakistan squad: Babar Azam (c), Fakhar Zaman, Haider Ali, Haris Rauf, Iftikhar Ahmed, Imad Wasim, Khushdil Shah, Mohammad Hafeez, Mohammad Hasnain, Mohammad Rizwan, Mohammad Amir, Naseem Shah, Sarfaraz Ahmed, Shadab Khan, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Shoaib Malik and Wahab Riaz.

England squad: Eoin Morgan (captain), Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow (wicketkeeper), Tom Banton, Sam Billings, Tom Curran, Joe Denly, Lewis Gregory, Chris Jordan, Saqib Mahmood, Dawid Malan, Adil Rashid, Jason Roy, David Willey

What will be the result of the series and why? Cast your vote in the poll above.
 
England are bloody good in LOI formats but Pakistan are also former #1.

I think England may win 2-1.
 
Worth noting that England are without any of the members of their Test squad, as they have been given a break. That means no Root, Stokes, Buttler or Archer.
 
Firebat said:
Worth noting that England are without any of the members of their Test squad, as they have been given a break. That means no Root, Stokes, Buttler or Archer.
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I still think England should win 2-1 due to home advantage.
 
We don't have the firepower to score 150+. We rely too much on Babar, who himself isn't known for hitting big at the end. Really could have used Sharjeel on these wickets. Fakhar is a hit or miss. Will Misbah utilize Shadab?

Don't see Pak winning the series, unless England somehow collapses and only scores 130-140. Then we could win a game or something.

Allah khair karhe.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
We don't have the firepower to score 150+. We rely too much on Babar, who himself isn't known for hitting big at the end. Really could have used Sharjeel on these wickets. Fakhar is a hit or miss. Will Misbah utilize Shadab?

Don't see Pak winning the series, unless England somehow collapses and only scores 130-140. Then we could win a game or something.

Allah khair karhe.
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I suppose that's why he opens the innings, he's more adept at whacking the ball along the ground through just about every gap in the entire field. No one as good at exploiting the powerplay as him. I'm hoping the likes of Haider, Khushdil, Shadab, Rizwan etc can hit those big strikes in the latter stages.
 
Firebat said:
I suppose that's why he opens the innings, he's more adept at whacking the ball along the ground through just about every gap in the entire field. No one as good at exploiting the powerplay as him. I'm hoping the likes of Haider, Khushdil, Shadab, Rizwan etc can hit those big strikes in the latter stages.
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Hence the over reliance on Babar is dangerous. Need others to step up. Misbah needs to utilize guys like Shadab, Haider well.

Shadab was excellent in the PSL batting at 3. Let's see if the coach of Islamabad United tries the same in the UK as well.
 
Eng's LOI outfit is probably the strongest in the world including the bench strength they have. Babar's batting and how he goes about his leadership along with the Amir's bowling will be the key.

Excited to see how Babar's leadership develops as well as how Haider Ali performs.
 
Titan24 said:
Eng's LOI outfit is probably the strongest in the world including the bench strength they have. Babar's batting and how he goes about his leadership along with the Amir's bowling will be the key.

Excited to see how Babar's leadership develops as well as how Haider Ali performs.
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All depends on Pak's bowling. If Pak manages to keep them below 140 then we have a chance otherwise it looks very difficult.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
All depends on Pak's bowling. If Pak manages to keep them below 140 then we have a chance otherwise it looks very difficult.
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True. Pak spinners have been pretty flat in last 3-4 T20 series with not much impact which is a worry so they will need to stand up as well to support the pacers.
 
Looking at that England squad we should beat them 3-0 but I expect us to mess up a game. 2-1 Pakistan.
 
Titan24 said:
Eng's LOI outfit is probably the strongest in the world including the bench strength they have. Babar's batting and how he goes about his leadership along with the Amir's bowling will be the key.

Excited to see how Babar's leadership develops as well as how Haider Ali performs.
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Really excited to see how Haider Ali performs!
 
England has selected a joke squad but our team is quite trash in T20s. 2-1 to England
 
My starting xi:
Should rest Naseem and Shaheen as they have just played 3 back to back test matches.

Babar Azam (c)
Fakhar Zaman
Haider Ali
Mohammad Hafeez
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
Shadab Khan
Iftikhar Ahmed
Imad Wasim
Mohammad Amir
Haris Rauf
Mohammad Hasnain/Wahab Riaz


Lots of firepower down the order with Shadab, Iftikhar, Imad and even Hafeez who can hit big shots at the end of an innings. I back this team to score 170+ consistently during the 3 t20s.

Only fear I have is the bowling - our bowlers all have the tendency to go for many runs. Only Amir is economical.

Overall, i expect Pakistan to Insha Allah win this series 2-1.
 
Looking forward to Hasnain and Rauf bowling - we might finally see some genuine pace from a Pakistani on this tour.
 
Playing England in England will be nothing less than 3-0. They are a ridiculous LOI side at the worst of times.

The only thing that matters in the nature of the defeats and what positives we can take out of them.
 
Minnowbasher said:
My starting xi:
Should rest Naseem and Shaheen as they have just played 3 back to back test matches.

Babar Azam (c)
Fakhar Zaman
Haider Ali
Mohammad Hafeez
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
Shadab Khan
Iftikhar Ahmed
Imad Wasim
Mohammad Amir
Haris Rauf
Mohammad Hasnain/Wahab Riaz


Lots of firepower down the order with Shadab, Iftikhar, Imad and even Hafeez who can hit big shots at the end of an innings. I back this team to score 170+ consistently during the 3 t20s.

Only fear I have is the bowling - our bowlers all have the tendency to go for many runs. Only Amir is economical.

Overall, i expect Pakistan to Insha Allah win this series 2-1.
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I think shaoib Malik will play ahead of hafeez babar and malik also get on
 
hitthestump said:
Playing England in England will be nothing less than 3-0. They are a ridiculous LOI side at the worst of times.

The only thing that matters in the nature of the defeats and what positives we can take out of them.
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Disagree 2-1 pakistan or even 3 nil
 
Minnowbasher said:
My starting xi:
Should rest Naseem and Shaheen as they have just played 3 back to back test matches.

Babar Azam (c)
Fakhar Zaman
Haider Ali
Mohammad Hafeez
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
Shadab Khan
Iftikhar Ahmed
Imad Wasim
Mohammad Amir
Haris Rauf
Mohammad Hasnain/Wahab Riaz


Lots of firepower down the order with Shadab, Iftikhar, Imad and even Hafeez who can hit big shots at the end of an innings. I back this team to score 170+ consistently during the 3 t20s.

Only fear I have is the bowling - our bowlers all have the tendency to go for many runs. Only Amir is economical.

Overall, i expect Pakistan to Insha Allah win this series 2-1.
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170 is not enough against England, we scored around 175 last year in that single T20 and they chased it down with ease. We’re going to need to score 190+, ideally 200+ to beat England, if they pitches are anywhere near as flat as they usually are for limited overs in England.
 
QalandarFan said:
170 is not enough against England, we scored around 175 last year in that single T20 and they chased it down with ease. We’re going to need to score 190+, ideally 200+ to beat England, if they pitches are anywhere near as flat as they usually are for limited overs in England.
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This team is different team no buttler no stokes no archer
 
Pakistan's batting is still hit or miss. Babar is awesome, but there isn't much else there. As much as I hate to say it, a lot will depend on Hafeez.

Would be a huge advantage if Fakhar can fire in a couple of games.
 
coy0607 said:
Pakistan's batting is still hit or miss. Babar is awesome, but there isn't much else there. As much as I hate to say it, a lot will depend on Hafeez.

Would be a huge advantage if Fakhar can fire in a couple of games.
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Haider ali needs to play at number 3 or 4 and attack from ball one we no he can change the game but needs to play all games
 
Hate to say this, but I think that at leat two of the games will be rained out looking at the forecast.
It really is odd weather for August — what a shame as the T20 squad have been over here for such a long time.
 
shamaan said:
This team is different team no buttler no stokes no archer
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Lol, when we played them last year England rested almost everybody because they were preparing for the world cup and testing out new guys.

They played the following XI

1. James Vince
2. Ben Duckett
3. Joe Root
4. Eoin Morgan
5. Joe Denly
6. Ben Foakes
7. David Willey
8. Adil Rashid
9. Chris Jordan
10. Tom Curran
11. Archer

Are you going to try and tell me that’s a full strength English T20 team? Infact that might be the weakest team they’ve fielded in T20I’s in years there tail started from #7, only two established batsman in the side were Root and Morgans and they still chased down 175 with ease. Don’t be fooled by the “weak team” notion, England are never a weak team at home. If we are to beat them we have to score in excess or 190.
 
QalandarFan said:
Lol, when we played them last year England rested almost everybody because they were preparing for the world cup and testing out new guys.

They played the following XI

1. James Vince
2. Ben Duckett
3. Joe Root
4. Eoin Morgan
5. Joe Denly
6. Ben Foakes
7. David Willey
8. Adil Rashid
9. Chris Jordan
10. Tom Curran
11. Archer

Are you going to try and tell me that’s a full strength English T20 team? Infact that might be the weakest team they’ve fielded in T20I’s in years there tail started from #7, only two established batsman in the side were Root and Morgans and they still chased down 175 with ease. Don’t be fooled by the “weak team” notion, England are never a weak team at home. If we are to beat them we have to score in excess or 190.
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We also had imaam batting at 3 and Harris sohail batting at 4 and asif ali at 5 ... pluss that was a one off t20 2019.
 
shamaan said:
We also had imaam batting at 3 and Harris sohail batting at 4 and asif ali at 5 ... pluss that was a one off t20 2019.
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Our batting line-up has nothing to do with this argument. The focal point here is England’s batting line-up and our bowling line-up. Imam and Haris were not bowling when England chased down 175 with ease. I’m talking about how we’re going to need to set targets in excess of 190 if we’re to beat England because there batting is way to explosive. First you said this England batting line-up is weaker, to which I showed you that English batting line-up was way weaker, last time around. Also before you bring it up, our bowling attack was at full strength in that series minus Amir I believe. Now you want to bring up Pakistan’s batting line-up which has nothing to do with the argument. Pakistan’s batsmen are not going to be able to defend totals.

In conclusion, Pakistan’s bowling attack was at almost full strength, and England’s batting attack was one of the weakest they have played in LOI’s in years. Yet England still chased down 175 with ease. I don’t see how it’s still hard to understand that if the pitches are as flat as they have been in England in recent years in LOI’s 170 totals are going to be nothing. If you think that they are once again just go and rewatch the match last year and see how easily England’s B grade batting line-up chased down that same total with ease. Talking about who we had batting for us makes no difference to the arugment at hand. My whole point has been that England’s batting is too explosive on those flat wickets if a lesser England batting line-up can chase down 175 with ease how do you expect a better England batting line-up to be unable to chase the same score? Let me guess Haider Ali at #3 is going to make a difference with ball in hand by taking a 5-fer?

You’re saying we have a better batting line-up which I agree, we scored 170+ with Haris, Imam, and Asif. You’re proving my point exactly if those guys can score 170 we need to aim for 190-200+. Because if those guys can score that many do you think Bairstow, Morgan, Roy, Moeen, Denly, etc can’t?
 
At the end of the day if you’re Pakistan you should learn from the past and try to score 200+ every match if you’re batting first. It’s not about what ends up happening, but when you have seen first hand what happens when you underscore against this Engish side in LOI’s especially in England from 6 different LOI’s matches last year why play it safe? It’s a bilateral series be aggressive from ball 1, surprise England.
 
Babar Azam:

[Does Pakistan have an advantage over a less-stronger England T20I side?]

"We always come in to a series with the mindset that we have to win the series; No team can be considered to be easy opponents or that its [England team] unbalanced"

"They have players who have been playing T20Is for England and they also have some experienced players; We are expecting to stick to the plans we have made for this series"

[Chances of winning vs England]

"You always take confidence from good results of your previous series so I am hopeful that we will win this series; Players are confident and have a lot of hunger to win the series and all want to give their 110% for Pakistan; When you have a positive group of players like these, then the results will also be good"
 
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QalandarFan said:
Our batting line-up has nothing to do with this argument. The focal point here is England’s batting line-up and our bowling line-up. Imam and Haris were not bowling when England chased down 175 with ease. I’m talking about how we’re going to need to set targets in excess of 190 if we’re to beat England because there batting is way to explosive. First you said this England batting line-up is weaker, to which I showed you that English batting line-up was way weaker, last time around. Also before you bring it up, our bowling attack was at full strength in that series minus Amir I believe. Now you want to bring up Pakistan’s batting line-up which has nothing to do with the argument. Pakistan’s batsmen are not going to be able to defend totals.

In conclusion, Pakistan’s bowling attack was at almost full strength, and England’s batting attack was one of the weakest they have played in LOI’s in years. Yet England still chased down 175 with ease. I don’t see how it’s still hard to understand that if the pitches are as flat as they have been in England in recent years in LOI’s 170 totals are going to be nothing. If you think that they are once again just go and rewatch the match last year and see how easily England’s B grade batting line-up chased down that same total with ease. Talking about who we had batting for us makes no difference to the arugment at hand. My whole point has been that England’s batting is too explosive on those flat wickets if a lesser England batting line-up can chase down 175 with ease how do you expect a better England batting line-up to be unable to chase the same score? Let me guess Haider Ali at #3 is going to make a difference with ball in hand by taking a 5-fer?

You’re saying we have a better batting line-up which I agree, we scored 170+ with Haris, Imam, and Asif. You’re proving my point exactly if those guys can score 170 we need to aim for 190-200+. Because if those guys can score that many do you think Bairstow, Morgan, Roy, Moeen, Denly, etc can’t?
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175 with 2 odi batters in the line up.shadab and amir didnt play that game and shadab has played majority of the games.root makes your team weaker.
 
Win the first game, set the pace - simple for Pakistan.
 
Well the first game has been washed off. Any chance of a 2-0 Pakistan victory? :)
 
shamaan said:
This team is different team no buttler no stokes no archer
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So do you finally see why 190 is a bare minimum now? Lmao tried explaining to you before in length to no success. This isn't 2011 no more 170 is not a winning score against this English team on these English wickets like I tried explaining to you. However, since you know it all we should only look to score 170 again in the next match, correct? Let's see how easily England chases that down too, lmao.
 
Pakistan can make it 1-1; Just need to work out how to get rid of Morgan!
 
I really hope we actually use the youngsters in our squad this time. We tried the seniors and they all failed except Hafeez. So now bring in Haider and Khushdil! They really cannot do worse than Malik's painful 14 (10) and Ifti's 8 (9). At least if we lose with the youngsters it will be beneficial because the future of our cricket will be getting experience.

Losing tomorrow, or even winning, with the seniors is literally meaningless.

A batting order of Babar, Fakhar, Haider, Hafeez, Khushdil, Shadab and I have confidence we can go bigger than 195 and make it 1-1. Just need to sort that horrendous bowling out.
 
Not going to happen. If we win tomorrow then I wouldnt be doing any lap of honour as this is englands c team. No doubt pak will
Feel Everest is conquered Shows where we have come..
 
Firebat said:
I really hope we actually use the youngsters in our squad this time. We tried the seniors and they all failed except Hafeez. So now bring in Haider and Khushdil! They really cannot do worse than Malik's painful 14 (10) and Ifti's 8 (9). At least if we lose with the youngsters it will be beneficial because the future of our cricket will be getting experience.

Losing tomorrow, or even winning, with the seniors is literally meaningless.

A batting order of Babar, Fakhar, Haider, Hafeez, Khushdil, Shadab and I have confidence we can go bigger than 195 and make it 1-1. Just need to sort that horrendous bowling out.
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You won’t score more than 195 - no PAK youngster can match Hafeez’s innings. They might match the SR of 190+, but that’s like 19 (10), not 69 (36) - they are not that good. Hafeez is earning his spot, Malik as well but not in UK and the Shaheen show will bring back Wahab into equation.
 
MMHS said:
You won’t score more than 195 - no PAK youngster can match Hafeez’s innings. They might match the SR of 190+, but that’s like 19 (10), not 69 (36) - they are not that good. Hafeez is earning his spot, Malik as well but not in UK and the Shaheen show will bring back Wahab into equation.
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What has malik done ?
 
MMHS said:
You won’t score more than 195 - no PAK youngster can match Hafeez’s innings. They might match the SR of 190+, but that’s like 19 (10), not 69 (36) - they are not that good. Hafeez is earning his spot, Malik as well but not in UK and the Shaheen show will bring back Wahab into equation.
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I don't see where I recommended dropping Hafeez? I literally wrote my preferred top order out for you, who's at #4?
 
Firebat said:
I don't see where I recommended dropping Hafeez? I literally wrote my preferred top order out for you, who's at #4?
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I have seen your line up, yes Hafeez is there but, actually Malik is struggling here, but he also has been fantastic in Asia, while Ifti was the batsman in Australia. It should always be encouraged to back youngsters, but youngsters also have to earn that spot. I haven't seen PAK youngsters grabbing the opportunities given to them and Management had to go back to oldies time an again.
 
MMHS said:
I have seen your line up, yes Hafeez is there but, actually Malik is struggling here, but he also has been fantastic in Asia, while Ifti was the batsman in Australia. It should always be encouraged to back youngsters, but youngsters also have to earn that spot. I haven't seen PAK youngsters grabbing the opportunities given to them and Management had to go back to oldies time an again.
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Opportunities? What opportunities? Haider is playing his FIRST game today, and Khushdil has played 1 T20I in his career.

Meanwhile, players like Malik offer literally nothing, and he averages 21.9 in 15 T20Is in England. Explain to me how he has earned his spot?
 
MMHS said:
I have seen your line up, yes Hafeez is there but, actually Malik is struggling here, but he also has been fantastic in Asia, while Ifti was the batsman in Australia. It should always be encouraged to back youngsters, but youngsters also have to earn that spot. I haven't seen PAK youngsters grabbing the opportunities given to them and Management had to go back to oldies time an again.
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Haider given 1 game and he grabbed it with both hands when did pakistan give youngsters a chance bdw umar akmal and shezard are not youngsters
 
Guys - I can see now Malik is in the line of fire; but the role was opposite (with Hafeez) few months back.

Bottom line - we may not like it, but both of them are hanging it around on merit. Next T20 WC is in India and I can bet that Malik can teach some of the PAK young batters how to play on such wickets, a trick or two.

And, after all these, remember guys - PAK’s only win of the series was for a 40 years old batsman and a 36 years old fast bowler.

Great start for Haider, no doubt - I hope he can carry this on - automatically oldies will be phased out.
 
MenInG said:
Pakistan can make it 1-1; Just need to work out how to get rid of Morgan!
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Run outs! Fielding wins T20 matches 2 good run outs got us the game although a missed stumping almost lost us it aswell.
 
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