Pro-Pakistan slogans and Green flags: Here's how Kashmiris are celebrating Independence Day

[hadi123]

A group of valiant students in Srinagar unfurled Pakistani flag on its 72nd Independence Day, defying the oppression and brutalities of the Indian regime and renewing the calls for long-overdue freedom.

The students raised pro-Pakistan slogans outside the Islamia College in the verdant valley of Indian-Occupied Kashmir on Tuesday, a footage of which rankled the administration and Indian nationalists.

The youngsters chanted slogans like Jeevay jeevay Pakistan (long live Pakistan) to decry the illegal occupation of their land and to pledge allegiance to Pakistan.

‘Pakistan sy Rishta Kia (What is the mutual bond with Pakistan),’ asked a student to which the group replied: La Ilaha IllAllah (There is no god but He), suggesting that the religious bond between the people in two countries was intact.

Srinagar was not the sole witness to the enthusiasm of youth as people in different regions of the restive rally threw weight behind Pakistan and celebrated its Independence Day.

The Kashmiris have been calling upon the Indian authorities and the international players to fulfill their promise of self-determination and a plebiscite in the valley, however, the demand is falling on deaf years from decades.

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pak...w-kashmiris-are-celebrating-independence-day/

 

[proud_pakistani]

Interesting. Waiting for [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] to enter this thread.

 

[Rafa]

They are obviously a tiny minority while 99.99% of Kashmiris are proud Bhakts of Bharat Mata who will sacrifice themselves for unity of India.

Jaya Hind.

 

[Syed1]

"Our Kashmir" as Gambhir put it

 

[Pakistanian]

"Our Kashmir" as Gambhir put it

The fact that he has to constantly say that, shows how insecure they are about Kashmir. It's like seeking constant reassurance from a significant other lol.

 

[Hitman]

Good for them since it gives them satisfaction. Nothing wrong.

 

[JaDed]

Nothing would change the status quo so little pleasures are all good.

 

[troodon]

‘Pakistan sy Rishta Kia (What is the mutual bond with Pakistan),’ asked a student to which the group replied: La Ilaha IllAllah (There is no god but He), suggesting that the religious bond between the people in two countries was intact.


This is the sole reason for their love for Pakistan. They love Punjabis and Sindhis of Pakistan more than Hindu Kashmiris who are their closest blood relation.

Outside of religion, what has Muslim Kashmiris have in common with Pakistani Punjabis, Sindhis and Muhajirs?

if the issue was about lack of development, jobs, education, then most will support or at least have sympathy for separatists. But the real reason is religion and the rest of the world knows it.

This is why most countries are scared of Muslims becoming majority in any part of their country. It gets ugly.

 

[TM Riddle]

Nothing would change the status quo so little pleasures are all good.

Reason why I fully support annulling art 35 A.
Incidents such as these are slaps in the faces of taxpayers in India. Remove the useless clause and let the demographic change begin.

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

So this is all about religion is it? Are people seriously believing that all their problems like poverty, unemployment gets magically disappeared once they join with people of their religion?

 

[hafeezrocks]

So this is all about religion is it? Are people seriously believing that all their problems like poverty, unemployment gets magically disappeared once they join with people of their religion?

Will the problems disappear by maintaining the status quo and being part of Mahaan Bharat?

 

[Madplayer]

‘Pakistan sy Rishta Kia (What is the mutual bond with Pakistan),’ asked a student to which the group replied: La Ilaha IllAllah (There is no god but He), suggesting that the religious bond between the people in two countries was intact.


This is the sole reason for their love for Pakistan. They love Punjabis and Sindhis of Pakistan more than Hindu Kashmiris who are their closest blood relation.

Outside of religion, what has Muslim Kashmiris have in common with Pakistani Punjabis, Sindhis and Muhajirs?

if the issue was about lack of development, jobs, education, then most will support or at least have sympathy for separatists. But the real reason is religion and the rest of the world knows it.

This is why most countries are scared of Muslims becoming majority in any part of their country. It gets ugly.

"Thid is the only reason"

Sure.

 

[m.shah]

They are obviously a tiny minority while 99.99% of Kashmiris are proud Bhakts of Bharat Mata who will sacrifice themselves for unity of India.

Jaya Hind.

This cracked me up. Talk about delusion. Didn't you notice some men came from Delhi to unfurl the flag at lalchowk srinagar. They were beaten to pulp by the locals.

 

[TM Riddle]

This cracked me up. Talk about delusion. Didn't you notice some men came from Delhi to unfurl the flag at lalchowk srinagar. They were beaten to pulp by the locals.

Beaten simply for unfurling flag at Lal chowk?
You are setting a bad example there comrades. People might start losing sympathy with your 'freedom movement'.

 

[akki]

Beaten simply for unfurling flag at Lal chowk?
You are setting a bad example there comrades. People might start losing sympathy with your 'freedom movement'.

Which sympathy lol?

 

[cricketjoshila]

This cracked me up. Talk about delusion. Didn't you notice some men came from Delhi to unfurl the flag at lalchowk srinagar. They were beaten to pulp by the locals.

Beating people for unfurling a flag craks you up. Then when the Army enforces law yoy cry and whine.

 

[cricketjoshila]

"Thid is the only reason"

Sure.

Yes. The only reason.

 

[TM Riddle]

Which sympathy lol?

I know a couple in la la land who sympathize with the movement.

 

[enkidu_]

This is the sole reason for their love for Pakistan. They love Punjabis and Sindhis of Pakistan more than Hindu Kashmiris who are their closest blood relation.

Actually ethnic Kashmiris of the Valley have more ties with Punjabi Muslims than any other ethnic group in the SC.

That's why you find millions of Butt's, Dar's, etc in modern Pak Punjab, because whenever there were some difficulties (drought, Dogra rule or simply economic social mobility) that's where they went, Kashmir being linked to West Punjab in terms of trade for centuries.

Otherwise your logic would fail against most nation-States outside the West, which have no ethnic and cultural homogeneity, minus rare cases like China and Bangladesh (in Indian case, what links a Punjabi Sikh with a Tamil Hindu, etc).

 

[Adijazz1706]

Actually ethnic Kashmiris of the Valley have more ties with Punjabi Muslims than any other ethnic group in the SC.

That's why you find millions of Butt's, Dar's, etc in modern Pak Punjab, because whenever there were some difficulties (drought, Dogra rule or simply economic social mobility) that's where they went, Kashmir being linked to West Punjab in terms of trade for centuries.

Otherwise your logic would fail against most nation-States outside the West, which have no ethnic and cultural homogeneity, minus rare cases like China and Bangladesh (in Indian case, what links a Punjabi Sikh with a Tamil Hindu, etc).

Nothing links a Punjabi silh and a hindu tamil, hence the 100 Crores fir flood relief in Kerel

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

‘Pakistan sy Rishta Kia (What is the mutual bond with Pakistan),’ asked a student to which the group replied: La Ilaha IllAllah (There is no god but He), suggesting that the religious bond between the people in two countries was intact.


This is the sole reason for their love for Pakistan. They love Punjabis and Sindhis of Pakistan more than Hindu Kashmiris who are their closest blood relation.

Outside of religion, what has Muslim Kashmiris have in common with Pakistani Punjabis, Sindhis and Muhajirs?

if the issue was about lack of development, jobs, education, then most will support or at least have sympathy for separatists. But the real reason is religion and the rest of the world knows it.

This is why most countries are scared of Muslims becoming majority in any part of their country. It gets ugly.

There is nothing anti-Hindu in that chant, they are merely voicing their belief in the partition along religious lines which many Indian posters themselves were celebrating in the thread about whether two months was enough to facilitate the division of the subcontinent.

 

[m.shah]

Beaten simply for unfurling flag at Lal chowk?
You are setting a bad example there comrades. People might start losing sympathy with your 'freedom movement'.

I was referring to the post of Rafa tht kashmiris are Bhakts and will sacrifice their lives for India. Kashmir has its own flag, it's own identity then what is the point of coming all the way from Delhi just to unfurl the Indian flag here in one of the busiest places. Indian army is killing us every day besides thousands are behind bars which are not even allowed to celebrate eid with families and you are telling us to appreciate that guy who created chaos here. Sorry but unfurling of Indian flag will not be allowed at any cost here.

 

[Romali_rotti]

. Sorry but unfurling of Indian flag will not be allowed at any cost here.

Sorry joining Pakistan or breaking away to become an independent country wont be allowed at any cost .... Ahh argue all you like, vent your frustrations and win the keyboard wars, that is about the only happiness you will get..

 

[shaaik]

‘Pakistan sy Rishta Kia (What is the mutual bond with Pakistan),’ asked a student to which the group replied: La Ilaha IllAllah (There is no god but He), suggesting that the religious bond between the people in two countries was intact.


This is the sole reason for their love for Pakistan. They love Punjabis and Sindhis of Pakistan more than Hindu Kashmiris who are their closest blood relation.

Outside of religion, what has Muslim Kashmiris have in common with Pakistani Punjabis, Sindhis and Muhajirs?

if the issue was about lack of development, jobs, education, then most will support or at least have sympathy for separatists. But the real reason is religion and the rest of the world knows it.

This is why most countries are scared of Muslims becoming majority in any part of their country. It gets ugly.

Can feel the burn from your post..

 

[troodon]

Can feel the burn from your post..

More like the separatists getting exposed for their true reason for separation.

 

[m.shah]

Sorry joining Pakistan or breaking away to become an independent country wont be allowed at any cost .... Ahh argue all you like, vent your frustrations and win the keyboard wars, that is about the only happiness you will get..

Loin don't loose sleep over the opinion of sheep.

 

[shaaik]

More like the separatists getting exposed for their true reason for separation.

I think u need some history lessons, why did partition happen in the first place ??

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

More like the separatists getting exposed for their true reason for separation.

As an Indian, are you saying you would prefer there had been no partition?

 

[PakLFC]

Here are the so called oppressed people of Baluchistan celebrating August 14. Unlike in IOK there are no closed shops or people carrying India's flag wanting to be part of them!

 

[troodon]

As an Indian, are you saying you would prefer there had been no partition?

I wasn't born at that time. This is now. India cannot lose any more territory to foreign ideology anymore. Not when it has such strong military and economy.

I am all for the people of subcontinent. Indians, Pakistanis, Srilankans, Bangladeshis and Nepalese are same people. We should all be one (Not as a country, but like EU).

 

[PakLFC]

Meanwhile in IOK.

 

[troodon]

Waving flags will not yield anything. People full on Religious Gatorade.

So many people gathering at the same time shows that these things are organized by the usual suspects.

 

[PakLFC]

Waving flags will not yield anything. People full on Religious Gatorade.

So many people gathering at the same time shows that these things are organized by the usual suspects.

Protests are very important when it comes to human expression. So far so many people including your soldiers have been killed by these protesters. This is why 500,000 Indian soldiers are in the valley otherwise there would be no need.

 

[troodon]

Protests are very important when it comes to human expression. So far so many people including your soldiers have been killed by these protesters. This is why 500,000 Indian soldiers are in the valley otherwise there would be no need.

Why do they love Pakistan so much if not for religion? Doesn't it set a dangerous precedent for any country in the future to not let Muslims become majority in any part of their country? Why do Muslims want to breakaway whenever they become majority?

 

[enkidu_]

I wasn't born at that time. This is now. India cannot lose any more territory to foreign ideology anymore. Not when it has such strong military and economy.

I am all for the people of subcontinent. Indians, Pakistanis, Srilankans, Bangladeshis and Nepalese are same people. We should all be one (Not as a country, but like EU).

Nepalis are Hindus yet complain about Indian intervention into their national matters (Constitution, "Madhesis", ...)

If India can't let the only other Hindu-majority nation in the world be at peace, what will be its relations with countries defined by an anti-Hindu foreign ideology which ruled over its lands for close to a millennium ?

Truth is that after stealing the name "India" from Pak, because of Jinnah's generosity (Sindhu river is in Pak, but he let that go, choosing Chaudhry Rehmat Ali's acronym), Indians think that their size alone give them the right to be the hegemon in South Asia.

Modi-fied India is not that of Nehru or Gandhi but that of Savarkar, Golwalkar and Godse.

The resentment among Muslims and Dalits of Hindustan will keep growing.

Wait for the next Jinnah/Periyar.

 

[PakLFC]

Why do they love Pakistan so much if not for religion? Doesn't it set a dangerous precedent for any country in the future to not let Muslims become majority in any part of their country? Why do Muslims want to breakaway whenever they become majority?

Religion may be one point but there is also culture they share with Pak Kashmir. Even if it's religion I see nothing wrong with that at all after all Pak was established in the name of Islam. Where else do the Muslim majority want to break away? Kashmir is about an ancient promise that has to be fulfilled. In a democracy that India claims to be what the majority want is everything.I have always said that Kashmiri non-Muslims should also be allowed to return home as well.

 

[troodon]

Religion may be one point but there is also culture they share with Pak Kashmir. Even if it's religion I see nothing wrong with that at all after all Pak was established in the name of Islam. Where else do the Muslim majority want to break away? Kashmir is about an ancient promise that has to be fulfilled. In a democracy that India claims to be what the majority want is everything.I have always said that Kashmiri non-Muslims should also be allowed to return home as well.

What ancient promise?

Why will Pandits return to Valley when they were already butchered and driven out of the valley?

 

[PakLFC]

What ancient promise?

Why will Pandits return to Valley when they were already butchered and driven out of the valley?

That Kashmiris will be allowed to make their own decision who they want to merge with. Also if India claims to be a democracy than surely after so much bloodshed it is obvious these people don't want to be part of India. More Muslim's have been killed in IoK by your army then Hindu's by militants. Both have the right to live there but if Hindu's don't want to return out of choice than that is there decision.

 

[Pakistanian]

‘Pakistan sy Rishta Kia (What is the mutual bond with Pakistan),’ asked a student to which the group replied: La Ilaha IllAllah (There is no god but He), suggesting that the religious bond between the people in two countries was intact.


This is the sole reason for their love for Pakistan. They love Punjabis and Sindhis of Pakistan more than Hindu Kashmiris who are their closest blood relation.

Outside of religion, what has Muslim Kashmiris have in common with Pakistani Punjabis, Sindhis and Muhajirs?

if the issue was about lack of development, jobs, education, then most will support or at least have sympathy for separatists. But the real reason is religion and the rest of the world knows it.

This is why most countries are scared of Muslims becoming majority in any part of their country. It gets ugly.

Kashmiri Hindus have only ever made 5% of the valleys population even before the exodus, they're a fringe minority so it doesn't even matter.

 

[enkidu_]

Kashmiri Hindus have only ever made 5% of the valleys population even before the exodus, they're a fringe minority so it doesn't even matter.

Minority appeasement like the Khangress.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Loin don't loose sleep over the opinion of sheep.

Whats a Loin ?.. Last I checked the supposed Lions armed with stones have been getting a beating and a half by the Indian army ...

 

[Madplayer]

Yes. The only reason.

In your head.

 

[Madplayer]

Why do they love Pakistan so much if not for religion? Doesn't it set a dangerous precedent for any country in the future to not let Muslims become majority in any part of their country? Why do Muslims want to breakaway whenever they become majority?

Except that India didnt "let" Kashmir become a muslim majority. It was a muslim majority at the time of independence.

Religion is one among many factors. You should read more about early Kashmiri Pandit leaders who advocated a merger with Pakistan because of reasons which go well and beyond religion. However, yours is a classic case of wanting to stay in delusion because the truth isnt something that you want to hear.

 

[Madplayer]

Kashmiri Hindus have only ever made 5% of the valleys population even before the exodus, they're a fringe minority so it doesn't even matter.

The exodus which was orchestrated by India itself. Their false claims that muslims forced the pandits out defy logic (Indian military might, provision of Indian government vehicles for pandits to leave Kashmir) and historical facts (historical harmony between Kashmiri pandits and muslims, documented letters of appologies from Pandit leaders post exodus clearly explaining why they left etc). Kashmiri pandits even considered Indian mainstream hindus as inferior to them and didnt want to be associated with them. All this hulla hurrah that we hear now is because of the position various stakeholders find themselves in. The Indians who think that it their Dharam to beat their chests for Pandits dont know jack squat about history and social set up of Kashmir.

Kashmiri muslims are some of the most tolerant muslims (in secular terms) in the world and i can give it to you in writing having lived here all my life. This beating of chests by Indians will not change it and even their own tourists who come here say the same things when they experience Kashmiriyat. However, because their words dont fit the Indian agenda, some Indian choose to ignore it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Kashmiri muslims are some of the most tolerant muslims (in secular terms) in the world and i can give it to you in writing having lived here all my life. This beating of chests by Indians will not change it and even their own tourists who come here say the same things when they experience Kashmiriyat. However, because their words dont fit the Indian agenda, some Indian choose to ignore it.

Ever since I saw that movie which had Shahid Kapoor and that pathetic chutzpah joke, i switch my channel when it shows that actor.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I was referring to the post of Rafa tht kashmiris are Bhakts and will sacrifice their lives for India. Kashmir has its own flag, it's own identity then what is the point of coming all the way from Delhi just to unfurl the Indian flag here in one of the busiest places. Indian army is killing us every day besides thousands are behind bars which are not even allowed to celebrate eid with families and you are telling us to appreciate that guy who created chaos here. Sorry but unfurling of Indian flag will not be allowed at any cost here.

Indian Flag flies in Srinagar. There is nothing anyone can do about it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Loin don't loose sleep over the opinion of sheep.

Which is why we dont lose sleep over thinking Kashmir will separate. We know it cant it wont.

 

[cricketjoshila]

In your head.

Thats why hindus were killed and forced to leave Kashmir valley.

 

[TM Riddle]

Thats why hindus were killed and forced to leave Kashmir valley.

Stop believing in Indian propaganda.
Don't you know there are are Hindus and Sikhs too who support the azadi movement?
Small hearted Indians would never be able to understand the power of Kashmiriyat and how it draws people from every religion, caste and creed towards each other.
(Even though 100% of "freedom fighters" are Muslims and regularly call for jihad against the kafirs of Hindustan.
But yeah sure religion isn't the only issue at all. Man I wish I had brains to be able to comprehend the concept of Kashmiriyat, except the blowing up part of course .
Those Hindu and Sikh azadi supporters must be smoking something really strong . But hey as long as 'Kashmiris' with Pakistani flags on this board claims so, I guess we have no choice but to accept it )

 

[enkidu_]

Except that India didnt "let" Kashmir become a muslim majority. It was a muslim majority at the time of independence.

Religion is one among many factors. You should read more about early Kashmiri Pandit leaders who advocated a merger with Pakistan because of reasons which go well and beyond religion. However, yours is a classic case of wanting to stay in delusion because the truth isnt something that you want to hear.

Like the scholar Prem Nath Bazaz, as they also tend to give the examples of Kashmiri Pandits who left the Valley 150 years ago to play the pro-India card (cf. Nehru family). That'd be like asking Salman Butt about his opinion on the conflict, while his family probably left +100 years ago.

Not even mentioning the fact that thousands of Kashmiri Pandits displaced in the last decades are still refugees in their own (supposed) country, so they can be played as political card.

In fact even if there was no Pandit exodus at all - as there wasn't for decades while the Kashmiri political leadership was still asking for fulfilling Nehru's promise - they would have tried to spin it with other angles.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why do they love Pakistan so much if not for religion? Doesn't it set a dangerous precedent for any country in the future to not let Muslims become majority in any part of their country? Why do Muslims want to breakaway whenever they become majority?

Maybe because they are scared of a public full on religious Gatorade - as you so wonderfully put it - which has voted in a Hindu supremacist govt?

India should follow Macron and ban religion from politics entirely if they want to remove the religious Gatorade. Then Muslims would have to follow.

 

[BlackShadow]

Thats why hindus were killed and forced to leave Kashmir valley.

Kashmiris were forced to do this out of mercy. They sacrificed their Hindu brothers in 1990s, so that they could protect future Hindu generations from what was planned for Kashmir all along.

 

[TM Riddle]

Kashmiris were forced to do this out of mercy. They sacrificed their Hindu brothers in 1990s, so that they could protect future Hindu generations from what was planned for Kashmir all along.

Also apparently they are scared of Hindu fascist govt which incidentally was put in the charge only 4 years ago while the issue has been burning since the early 90s.

I guess the only rational explanation for that is they took the help of Professor Trelawney's fortune telling tea leaves which correctly prophesized the rise of dictator in the form of Modi and thus began preparing for the struggle in the advance.

 

[m.shah]

Whats a Loin ?.. Last I checked the supposed Lions armed with stones have been getting a beating and a half by the Indian army ...

Lions are those who are hundred in number but you need one million army to fight them.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

To the question of Muslims of Kashmir having more affinity to Pakistan because of religion...... ahem... does the pope **** in the woods? They are occupied Pakistanis!!

 

[m.shah]

Indian Flag flies in Srinagar. There is nothing anyone can do about it.

British flag also flied in India so you are right nothing we can do about it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

British flag also flied in India so you are right nothing we can do about it.

Must be flying particularly high at the moment with the current cricket series going England's way.

 

[m.shah]

Which is why we dont lose sleep over thinking Kashmir will separate. We know it cant it wont.

Your thinking doesn't matter to us you should read the interview of army majors who have worked here to get yourself out of fantasy world.

 

[TM Riddle]

To the question of Muslims of Kashmir having more affinity to Pakistan because of religion...... ahem... does the pope **** in the woods? They are occupied Pakistanis!!

Wait I thought there was an option of independent Kashmir as well.
Or that's what our fellow 'kashmiri' posters here would like us to believe citing examples of Hindu and Sikh groups in their support.
I'm all confused now. Is the Independence offer off the table then?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Wait I thought there was an option of independent Kashmir as well.
Or that's what our fellow 'kashmiri' posters here would like us to believe citing examples of Hindu and Sikh groups in their support.
I'm all confused now. Is the Independence offer off the table then?

I meant that they are Pakistanis at heart. Yes, ofcourse the independent option should be on the table if they so desire and let them decide which way they want. I too will have a vote on the matter.

 

[TM Riddle]

I meant that they are Pakistanis at heart. Yes, ofcourse the independent option should be on the table if they so desire and let them decide which way they want. I too will have a vote on the matter.

I will take your word for it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

British flag also flied in India so you are right nothing we can do about it.

Yes you can do nothing about it. Indian flag will fly in Srinagar for a long long long time.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Your thinking doesn't matter to us you should read the interview of army majors who have worked here to get yourself out of fantasy world.

Lol. You get yourself out of the fantasy world. Kashmir separating from India. More chances of hell freezing over.

Your terrorism has no takers around the world except Pakistan. Your religious extremist movement has no takers except Pakistan.

 

[IMMY69]

Lol. You get yourself out of the fantasy world. Kashmir separating from India. More chances of hell freezing over.

Your terrorism has no takers around the world except Pakistan. Your religious extremist movement has no takers except Pakistan.

Replace with "India".

I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

Firstly Pakistan is not a Arab country. They may be controlled by the house of saud and do nothing for the Palestinians.

Pakistan will always support the Kashmir movement until there is a referendum where the people decide. India will not allow this because they know in their hearts that the people would either want independence or to be part of Pakistan.

You can carry on burying your head in the sand. The situation will not change and whilst this stalemate continues India will continue to be the oppressor and people of Kashmir the oppressed.

Yes the rest of the world may not care at the moment. Yes the will believe the Indian narrative of Pakistan being the terrorist state that is transgressing it's boundaries. But don't full yourself in to thinking that things will remain the same.

Situations change and they do so very quickly.

 

[Hitman]

Replace with "India".

I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

Firstly Pakistan is not a Arab country. They may be controlled by the house of saud and do nothing for the Palestinians.

Pakistan will always support the Kashmir movement until there is a referendum where the people decide. India will not allow this because they know in their hearts that the people would either want independence or to be part of Pakistan.

You can carry on burying your head in the sand. The situation will not change and whilst this stalemate continues India will continue to be the oppressor and people of Kashmir the oppressed.

Yes the rest of the world may not care at the moment. Yes the will believe the Indian narrative of Pakistan being the terrorist state that is transgressing it's boundaries. But don't full yourself in to thinking that things will remain the same.

Situations change and they do so very quickly.

That's hypothetical. Lots of things can happen in an imaginary world.

 

[IMMY69]

That's hypothetical. Lots of things can happen in an imaginary world.

and yet in this imaginary world we have Trump as president of the most powerful country in the world.
Where Imran Khan has finally beaten all the odds to become the leader of Pakistan.

A world which has seen many empires flourish and then fall away, including the British Empire which controlled mother india.

So what differentiates between imaginary and reality?

Are the millions of Syrians who have been killed or displaced due to bombs or the poor african kids who are born in to the world with aids and other diseases living in an alternate world?

Only an extremely arrogant person will bury their heads in the sand and expect the status quo to remain.
The world changes and situations change.

 

[BlackShadow]

and yet in this imaginary world we have Trump as president of the most powerful country in the world.
Where Imran Khan has finally beaten all the odds to become the leader of Pakistan.

A world which has seen many empires flourish and then fall away, including the British Empire which controlled mother india.

So what differentiates between imaginary and reality?

Are the millions of Syrians who have been killed or displaced due to bombs or the poor african kids who are born in to the world with aids and other diseases living in an alternate world?

Only an extremely arrogant person will bury their heads in the sand and expect the status quo to remain.
The world changes and situations change.

You are right, the world does change. But the question is, which world is more likely to change and who will force that change? You may hate to admit it, but odds here aren't in Pakistan's favor.

 

[IMMY69]

You are right, the world does change. But the question is, which world is more likely to change and who will force that change? You may hate to admit it, but odds here aren't in Pakistan's favor.

But surely that is irrelevant?

What does that matter? If the people of Kashmir are at peace and can live as they want then surely that should be all that matters?

 

[BlackShadow]

But surely that is irrelevant?

What does that matter? If the people of Kashmir are at peace and can live as they want then surely that should be all that matters?

If they choose peace, then sure. They invited AFSPA and army in 1990 by killing and driving Hindus out of the valley (later chose to cry about the same internationally), and in the last few years, they have chosen the path of Jihad.

All of the above doesn't call for peace. However, in my hypothetical world, I too see a hope of things getting better, just that none of it ends with Pakistan's illegal Kashmir occupation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Replace with "India".

I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

Firstly Pakistan is not a Arab country. They may be controlled by the house of saud and do nothing for the Palestinians.

Pakistan will always support the Kashmir movement until there is a referendum where the people decide. India will not allow this because they know in their hearts that the people would either want independence or to be part of Pakistan.

You can carry on burying your head in the sand. The situation will not change and whilst this stalemate continues India will continue to be the oppressor and people of Kashmir the oppressed.

Yes the rest of the world may not care at the moment. Yes the will believe the Indian narrative of Pakistan being the terrorist state that is transgressing it's boundaries. But don't full yourself in to thinking that things will remain the same.

Situations change and they do so very quickly.

Kashmiri terrorist organisations are banned all over the world.

We do not care what Pakistan is. As long as it supports a terrorist separatist movement in India, its acting like an enemy and hence no peace is possible.

Who gave Pakistan the authority of intervening in issues between Indians and Kashmiris?

Situation doesnot change. It has to be changed. Pakistan doesnot have the economy,diplomacy or military to do so in Kashmir.

 

[IMMY69]

Kashmiri terrorist organisations are banned all over the world.

We do not care what Pakistan is. As long as it supports a terrorist separatist movement in India, its acting like an enemy and hence no peace is possible.

Who gave Pakistan the authority of intervening in issues between Indians and Kashmiris?

Situation doesnot change. It has to be changed. Pakistan doesnot have the economy,diplomacy or military to do so in Kashmir.

and despite all of this the Kashmir’s either want to be part of Pakistan or independent from India.
This is an indisputable fact which will one day come back to haunt India but in the interim please continue burying your head in the sand and follow the fake news..

You don’t need to reply to this thread because we will never agree with each other.

 

[IMMY69]

If they choose peace, then sure. They invited AFSPA and army in 1990 by killing and driving Hindus out of the valley (later chose to cry about the same internationally), and in the last few years, they have chosen the path of Jihad.

All of the above doesn't call for peace. However, in my hypothetical world, I too see a hope of things getting better, just that none of it ends with Pakistan's illegal Kashmir occupation.

You and I are mere spectators from afar and in time we’ll see what happens.
Meanwhile Sleep well my friend.

 

[m.shah]

Yes you can do nothing about it. Indian flag will fly in Srinagar for a long long long time.

And that is not a proud thing when you need ten Lakh soldiers to do such little thing. Well wtevr pleases you keep blabbing about tht. Only those people know what is it to be like under occupation and facing atrocities from decades but you are just another arrogant head and a fan of Times Now and Zee news. So itz of no use to argue with you.

 

[m.shah]

Lol. You get yourself out of the fantasy world. Kashmir separating from India. More chances of hell freezing over.
Your terrorism has no takers around the world except Pakistan. Your religious extremist movement has no takers except Pakistan.

British also said the same thing about India.Terrorists are those who occupy others land illegally and does Mass killing there, blind children destroys the future of generations. Now get your brain clear and decide who are terrorists.

 

[cricketjoshila]

British also said the same thing about India.Terrorists are those who occupy others land illegally and does Mass killing there, blind children destroys the future of generations. Now get your brain clear and decide who are terrorists.

Terrorists are those who killed Kashmiri Pandits and forced them out of the valley. There is a reason why this terrorist movement has almost no supporters outside the valley. Hiding a religious terrorist movement behind the mask of a "freedom" movement doesnot cut ice with anyone.

 

[giri26]

I am just fed up with this nonsense. Live and let live. I just cannot imagine, people losing their life or killing others for land. This too between two countries who were together before 1947 and fought together against British Raj. Unfortunately, I will never see a world which is sans differences but I at least will hope some time in the future humans will realise how stupid they were and work with each other to make the world a better place for all living beings.

 

[Pakistanian]

Terrorists are those who killed Kashmiri Pandits and forced them out of the valley. There is a reason why this terrorist movement has almost no supporters outside the valley. Hiding a religious terrorist movement behind the mask of a "freedom" movement doesnot cut ice with anyone.

What about before the exodus of the 90s when separatists and most kashmiris wanted a plebiscite after '47 and every decade after? Were they terrorists then? Do you consider those people that wanted independence back then as a terrorists now?

Give an honest answer.

 

[pillionrider]

Want freedom but raise Pakistani flags )

 

[m.shah]

Terrorists are those who killed Kashmiri Pandits and forced them out of the valley. There is a reason why this terrorist movement has almost no supporters outside the valley. Hiding a religious terrorist movement behind the mask of a "freedom" movement doesnot cut ice with anyone.

How many Kashmiri pandits were killed? Cmon tell me..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Want freedom but raise Pakistani flags )

Why is that so funny? The whole premise of partition was based on dividing according to religion so obviously Kashmiris have always felt they were cheated out of becoming part of Pakistan. If you don't agree with partition then you might have a point, but I doubt you would have the cojones to say that.