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Proposed 2019-2023 FTP: Pakistan to play 121 matches across all formats [Update Post #190]

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So according to a report, this is the makeup of the proposed FTP:

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India 159 matches
West Indies 146 matches
England 130 matches
Australia 126 matches
New Zealand 122 matches
Bangladesh 122 matches
South Africa 119 matches
Sri Lanka 119 matches
Pakistan 104 matches
Ireland 102 matches
Afghanistan 88 matches
Zimbabwe 88 matches

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Number of ODIs in the proposed FTP between 2019 and 2023:<br>West Indies 62<br>India 61<br>Australia 48<br>Sri Lanka 48<br>New Zealand 45<br>Bangladesh 45<br>South Africa 45<br>England 43<br>Ireland 42<br>Afghanistan 41<br>Zimbabwe 40<br>Pakistan 38<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/940674539989688320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Also note: The CT17 winners will play lesser ODIs than every team including Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe.....
 
This is humiliating....Pakistan below Bangladesh,Zimbabwe,Afghanistan....

Hope Sethi has a strong explanation for all this.
 
Well, the FTP is just a rough outline, teams are free to schedule more series/tours as they see fit. Plus, Pakistan (and India) have one less team they can play against.

The PCB needs to schedule a few more series here and there and we'll be on far with the rest. Too much cricket is not a blessing, just ask the Indians and the English.
 
Also note: The CT17 winners will play lesser ODIs than every team including Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe.....

Is this only for the league?

As in individual boards can still arrange criclet outside the proposed ODI and Test League

Right?
 
India with 159 matches. No way any of their current stars make it past the 2021 Champions Trophy. They'll all be burnt out, injured or plain and simply, bored by then.
 
Is this only for the league?

As in individual boards can still arrange criclet outside the proposed ODI and Test League

Right?

I forgot about the league. This is troublesome then because even though we can schedule more series, we'll be at a disadvantage in the league standings due to the lesser number of matches.
 
How is this surprising?

You don't play at home and aren't playing India.
 
I really don't like this at all, every team deserves to play the same number of games as each other.
 
How is this surprising?

You don't play at home and aren't playing India.

TWO more matches than Ireland? Come on now....

Can someone explain why a garbage ODI team like WI gets the most ODIs? Really curious to know.
 
We already play low amounts of cricket as is.

Embarrassing to see those numbers, hope the PCB can fix this before it becomes official. How can we have the lowest amount of ODIs played amoung all the countries on that list?

Bangladesh is playing more test cricket then us. WTH is going on?!
 
Certainly, something's wrong.

We are a poor T20i team. We get max t20i's . Pak is a good T20i side. They get less t20i's than Bang, SL and even less than IRE.

WI is a poor Odi team. They get max Odis. Pakistan is CT winner, and they get less Odis than even IRE, ZIM and AFG.

Ban is a poor test team in top 9, they get more tests than SA, PAK, NZ, WI and SL, and just 2 tests less than us.

Pakistan is being pushed into the corner. Not justifiable by ICC.
 
Just seeing those numbers hurts as a Pakistan cricket supporter.

Really hope the PCB can add to this. The problem is we problems currently going on with Bangladesh, India, and Afghanistan. Need to better our relationships (bar India, whole different story).
 
Meanwhile in the real world, Najam Sethi tweeting non stop about the importance of t10 format and a three day tournament being super beneficial to our cricket.

PCB never stops giving
 
I don't think these are final numbers, because it's unlikely IND to play so many T20s & so little Test. Apart from other factors, the more T20 team IND plays, it actually counter productive to IPL. Better business sense is to play more Tests & ODI ant national level and less T20I. Total match day (37 X 5 + 61 + 61 = 307), might remain similar, but I believe for IND, number will settle like 45 Tests, 60 ODI & 35 T20I.

The final number should be even more embarrassing for PAK - since number of teams are increasing, but IND, AUS, ENG already booked, we'll see many more matches between other teams outside FTP - I don't see that scope much for PCB, already in tango with BCCI, twisted relationship with BCB, AFCB, didn't tour SAF ..... won't be surprised if every team, apart from IRL & ZIM crossing PAK in final numbers. SRL & WI had been playing more Tests than PAK for last couple of decades, now no surprise BD will cross and I am sure NZ will end-up playing more Tests than PAK, while SAF should match numbers of ENG/AUS.
 
Just seeing those numbers hurts as a Pakistan cricket supporter.

Really hope the PCB can add to this. The problem is we problems currently going on with Bangladesh, India, and Afghanistan. Need to better our relationships (bar India, whole different story).

In the ODI league, a team has to play only eight opponents out of 12.

The Test league requires each side to play six opponents over two years.
 
If this is honestly true then shame on Pakistan for not acquiring more games than spending their time and energy figthing the Indians and crying over that.
 
TWO more matches than Ireland? Come on now....

Can someone explain why a garbage ODI team like WI gets the most ODIs? Really curious to know.

'Cause they are even worse in test cricket and no wants to waste five days pummeling them.
 
If Sethi and co. agree to this then they should resign immediately and be sat on donkeys and made to ride around Lahore.
 
In the ODI league, a team has to play only eight opponents out of 12.

The Test league requires each side to play six opponents over two years.

What a dumb concept. We should totally avoid playing Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa and schedule all our series against the eight other teams (including India because come hell or high water, we're playing a bilateral series with them, damnit!). Easy wins and an easy ODI league triumph. Ditto with the tests.
 
In the ODI league, a team has to play only eight opponents out of 12.

The Test league requires each side to play six opponents over two years.

Yes - and some board will make those Series 4/5/6 Tests affair, some'll make 2/1/0 (share points, what's the point of playing for 5 days) Tests affair.

Similarly, in ODI it swings from 2 to 8 games ......... only T20I numbers can go higher.
 
What a dumb concept. We should totally avoid playing Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa and schedule all our series against the eight other teams (including India because come hell or high water, we're playing a bilateral series with them, damnit!). Easy wins and an easy ODI league triumph. Ditto with the tests.

Won't be that simple - I am sure, there'll be credit ratings of the series. It can't be SRL beating PAK 2-0 and AUS beating ENG 5-0 should earn same points.
 
How is this surprising?

You don't play at home and aren't playing India.

They have ruined relationships with 20% of teams when you take India out. That they are getting as many fixtures as they are is what should be surprising.
 
Ah but PCB has the PSL, that is more important than international cricket, especially when it comes to lining pockets of some :)
 
Total rubbish! PCB should definitely not agree to this! We just won a major tournament, we should be treated as one of the worlds best not minnows!
 
Get used to it. Enjoy the players in other leagues.


I can not believe how this issue is not being dealt with by the PCB. Not only are they missing money, but the players can not develop themselves and neither will younger players get more chances.
 
The number of ODIs makes for interesting reading. PCB should look at these numbers and be alarmed.

India 61
Australia 48
Sri Lanka 48
New Zealand 45
Bangladesh 45
South Africa 45
England 43
Ireland 42
Afghanistan 41
Zimbabwe 40
Pakistan 38

Bottom of the pile for the Champions Trophy winners.
 
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difficult to make out much from this, since its built on us not playing India.
What we should be demanding from ICC is the other member teams to make up for that shortfall.
While I think there is little ICC or PCB can do about India not playing vs. Pakistan, there is something to be said for the other members who have filled their calendars not allowing for more space to play vs. Pakistan.
You can not shame on the ICC about India not playing sine that is force majeur but you can certainly shame the ICC about doing their best to diminish the game by concentrating it further.
 
Given we have no cricketing relations with India its not that surprising. Every team is playing the same number of series for the Test and ODI League - its the series length that is up to the Boards.

Hopefully the same number of points will be awarded for series wins irrespective of their length, with extra points for away series wins. Simply make our own series longer if the scheduling permits to rectify these numbers, or organise more bilateral series in the window outside the league.

Its not perfect but at least we're finally contextualising international cricket with the fewer number of Tests reflecting the financial realities.

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PCB is the worst board in the world when it comes to scheduling. Even Sri Lanka and West Indies have played 3 tests in England over the years whilst PCB only organizes 2 tests vs England.

Hopefully there are more fixtures added and this isn't the final schedule.
 
Very disappointed.

Champion team like Pakistan gets fewer matches than extremely poor ODI units like Bangladesh and Windies.
 
I saw this on twitter and nearly lost it for a few seconds. However this is the proposed number of matches. It is upto the PCB to negotiate and get more matches. The ICC is a disgrace but since the bcci have a lot of say I'm not surprised. I hope there is a bit of a backlash now.
 
Pakistan are going to schedule more series for sure, so they'll end up with a lot more matches.

A team like Ireland and Bangladesh don't have the same appeal.
 
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NZ, Pakistan and SL cutting down on Tests and playing 5-6 Tests a year.
 
To all those who are saying BCCI did something, remember that this schedule is what is proposed by each board after they have negotiated with all other boards. It just shows how bad PCB is in negotiations and unattractive financially Pakistan cricket is
 
Certainly, something's wrong.

We are a poor T20i team. We get max t20i's . Pak is a good T20i side. They get less t20i's than Bang, SL and even less than IRE.

WI is a poor Odi team. They get max Odis. Pakistan is CT winner, and they get less Odis than even IRE, ZIM and AFG.

Ban is a poor test team in top 9, they get more tests than SA, PAK, NZ, WI and SL, and just 2 tests less than us.

Pakistan is being pushed into the corner. Not justifiable by ICC.
SA, Pakistan, NZ, WI and SL don't want to play that much Test cricket, it losses them money.
 
Previously the consensus was that Pakistan needed to improve its rankings in all formats to get taken seriously from the ICC and other major cricketing nations. Well Pakistan got to no 1 in test cricket, Our ODI and T-20 rankings are improving, we are the winners of the final CT to be ever played. Why is the ICC giving us such a low number of matches?

Forget criticizing Sethi for a second here. Let's focus on the ICC first, why are they treating us like doormats? What is their excuse now?

Clearly the PCB needs to be very aggressive vis a vis ICC and needs to get the message across that they will not accept being treated like a door mat any more and what better way to do it then to constantly be aggressive, to demand compensation from the ICC in case the BCCI refuses to pay compensation e.t.c. The way others treat you in this world is a function of the things you allow them to do to you
 
So according to a report, this is the makeup of the proposed FTP:

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India 159 matches
West Indies 146 matches
England 130 matches
Australia 126 matches
New Zealand 122 matches
Bangladesh 122 matches
South Africa 119 matches
Sri Lanka 119 matches
Pakistan 104 matches
Ireland 102 matches
Afghanistan 88 matches
Zimbabwe 88 matches

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Number of ODIs in the proposed FTP between 2019 and 2023:<br>West Indies 62<br>India 61<br>Australia 48<br>Sri Lanka 48<br>New Zealand 45<br>Bangladesh 45<br>South Africa 45<br>England 43<br>Ireland 42<br>Afghanistan 41<br>Zimbabwe 40<br>Pakistan 38<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/940674539989688320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Bro

After reading the whole article I change my mind..

While teams like Bangladesh do get more matches they play against lower-tier opposition while we have the advantage of touring and playing every major upper tier team for both ODIs and Tests like Aus, England, SA, NZ etc except India

The whole FTP has Bangladesh touring India, NZ once and SA twice.Majority of their series are against SL, WI, ZIM, AFG, NED, IRELAND etc.Same goes for every lower tier team like WI.While we play against all major teams except in 2021.It is actually good as now we do not get to see boring Pak-SL, WI, Zim every year.

We play Australia, NZ, and England 3 times and SA 2 times across all formats while we play lower ranked teams only once which is extremely good IMO

Once a series is planned can the number of matches be increased with mutual agreement?
 
I don't think these are final numbers, because it's unlikely IND to play so many T20s & so little Test. Apart from other factors, the more T20 team IND plays, it actually counter productive to IPL. Better business sense is to play more Tests & ODI ant national level and less T20I. Total match day (37 X 5 + 61 + 61 = 307), might remain similar, but I believe for IND, number will settle like 45 Tests, 60 ODI & 35 T20I.

The final number should be even more embarrassing for PAK - since number of teams are increasing, but IND, AUS, ENG already booked, we'll see many more matches between other teams outside FTP - I don't see that scope much for PCB, already in tango with BCCI, twisted relationship with BCB, AFCB, didn't tour SAF ..... won't be surprised if every team, apart from IRL & ZIM crossing PAK in final numbers. SRL & WI had been playing more Tests than PAK for last couple of decades, now no surprise BD will cross and I am sure NZ will end-up playing more Tests than PAK, while SAF should match numbers of ENG/AUS.

While teams like Bangladesh do get more matches they play against lower-tier opposition while we have the advantage of touring and playing every major upper tier team for both ODIs and Tests like Aus, England, SA, NZ etc except India

The whole FTP has Bangladesh touring India, NZ once and SA twice.Majority of their series are against SL, WI, ZIM, AFG, NED, IRELAND etc.Same goes for every lower tier team like WI.While we play against all major teams except in 2021.It is actually good as now we do not get to see boring Pak-SL, WI, Zim every year.

We play Australia, NZ, and England 3 times and SA 2 times across all formats while we play lower ranked teams only once which is extremely good IMO
Tired of those 5-0 against WI,BD etc
 
While teams like Bangladesh do get more matches they play against lower-tier opposition while we have the advantage of touring and playing every major upper tier team for both ODIs and Tests like Aus, England, SA, NZ etc except India

The whole FTP has Bangladesh touring India, NZ once and SA twice.Majority of their series are against SL, WI, ZIM, AFG, NED, IRELAND etc.Same goes for every lower tier team like WI.While we play against all major teams except in 2021.It is actually good as now we do not get to see boring Pak-SL, WI, Zim every year.

We play Australia, NZ, and England 3 times and SA 2 times across all formats while we play lower ranked teams only once which is extremely good IMO
Tired of those 5-0 against WI,BD etc

Then why people are crying here? Seems like everything is fine in FTP - Pakistan Zindabad then.

The bold line actually sums up your level of trolling - not many can post something and then curse PP for that 2 minutes edit rule.
 
This is what happens when you have a corrupt journalist running a cricket board.



Long live Nooras
 
Then why people are crying here? Seems like everything is fine in FTP - Pakistan Zindabad then.

The bold line actually sums up your level of trolling - not many can post something and then curse PP for that 2 minutes edit rule.

Not saying all is well but the number of matches can be easily increased and will be but the quality of opposition cannot once FTP is approved.

Pakistan tour and play against better quality opposition mostly upper tier teams which means exciting times for us while BCB,the best board has arranged matches gainst teams like WI,SL,AFG,ND,IRE etc. on and on.

Care to explain why so?

England and Australia do not think that BD is worthy of touring them?

Please answer...
 
Bro

After reading the whole article I change my mind..

While teams like Bangladesh do get more matches they play against lower-tier opposition while we have the advantage of touring and playing every major upper tier team for both ODIs and Tests like Aus, England, SA, NZ etc except India

The whole FTP has Bangladesh touring India, NZ once and SA twice.Majority of their series are against SL, WI, ZIM, AFG, NED, IRELAND etc.Same goes for every lower tier team like WI.While we play against all major teams except in 2021.It is actually good as now we do not get to see boring Pak-SL, WI, Zim every year.

We play Australia, NZ, and England 3 times and SA 2 times across all formats while we play lower ranked teams only once which is extremely good IMO

Once a series is planned can the number of matches be increased with mutual agreement?
OK that's not as bad, pcb can still arrange tours with teams like Bangladesh and WI, just outside of the window. I guess it's not so bad after all.
 
OK that's not as bad, pcb can still arrange tours with teams like Bangladesh and WI, just outside of the window. I guess it's not so bad after all.

Yes and the PCB source has claimed the number of matches will be increased after the India dispute is finished.
If India does not agree they will ask other boards to increase the matches in the series..
 
Why is the ICC giving us such a low number of matches?

Forget criticizing Sethi for a second here. Let's focus on the ICC first, why are they treating us like doormats? What is their excuse now?

Based on my understanding, all teams negotiated bilateral series and sum of those negotiations is presented as proposed FTP here. ICC doesn't put number of tests for any country.
 
At least now Pakistan can have a proper domestic season since we have all the time in the world now to do so.
 
It will be more less than now than future. Even Afghanistan and Ireland will play more test than us. This is happen when we have crooks running PCB and our formers engage useless blame games
 
Not saying all is well but the number of matches can be easily increased and will be but the quality of opposition cannot once FTP is approved.

Pakistan tour and play against better quality opposition mostly upper tier teams which means exciting times for us while BCB,the best board has arranged matches gainst teams like WI,SL,AFG,ND,IRE etc. on and on.

Care to explain why so?

England and Australia do not think that BD is worthy of touring them?

Please answer...

Good, this is better.

Your first questing is number of matches in FTP - it can easily be increased, but can be decreased as well. History tell, PCB is the first board to accept 2 Test series as Ashes warmer in 2001, when those series were reserved for SRL & ZIM. After that, it was PAK which started 2, even 1 Test Series - against SAF at home, then in UAE, AUS, NZ, WI. If I can recall correctly, PAK SAF 2003, 2008, 2012 Series was 2 Test in PAK, same for WI & last AUS series in UAE was 2 Test. ENG, SAF, AUS has their minimum status co, therefore they would hardly play 2 Test series, hence their home series should have minimum 3 Tests against PAK, but chances are more that PCB'll reduce 2 Tests to 1, rather than 3. I also believe, number of matches can increase bilaterally, but I am afraid it'll be for T20, which seems the highest priority for PAK as a cricket nation.

Regarding quality of opposition, you are boasting that PAK has got slightly better draw than SRL, BD or ZIM - that comparison itself should be shameful enough, even keeping IND out of equation. Bring IND in it, I am sure SRL & probably BD will have better overall opponents in that regard. In recent times, PAK has toured AUS, ENG & NZ after 6 years, so you are talking big, otherwise last few years PAK's majority matches were against SRL, ZIM, and WI.

You didn't notice a key point here - these series are agreed between Boards. Considering respective cricket history, what BCB has cracked (as bilateral series), compared to PCB, I feel you should care to question what Nazam Sethi and his team doing here.

For the bold part, you have to listen to Ian Chappel a bit more carefully .......

Hope this helps, I guess, I don't need to explain that 5-0 part .......
 
Good, this is better.

Your first questing is number of matches in FTP - it can easily be increased, but can be decreased as well. History tell, PCB is the first board to accept 2 Test series as Ashes warmer in 2001, when those series were reserved for SRL & ZIM. After that, it was PAK which started 2, even 1 Test Series - against SAF at home, then in UAE, AUS, NZ, WI. If I can recall correctly, PAK SAF 2003, 2008, 2012 Series was 2 Test in PAK, same for WI & last AUS series in UAE was 2 Test. ENG, SAF, AUS has their minimum status co, therefore they would hardly play 2 Test series, hence their home series should have minimum 3 Tests against PAK, but chances are more that PCB'll reduce 2 Tests to 1, rather than 3. I also believe, number of matches can increase bilaterally, but I am afraid it'll be for T20, which seems the highest priority for PAK as a cricket nation.

Regarding quality of opposition, you are boasting that PAK has got slightly better draw than SRL, BD or ZIM - that comparison itself should be shameful enough, even keeping IND out of equation. Bring IND in it, I am sure SRL & probably BD will have better overall opponents in that regard. In recent times, PAK has toured AUS, ENG & NZ after 6 years, so you are talking big, otherwise last few years PAK's majority matches were against SRL, ZIM, and WI.

You didn't notice a key point here - these series are agreed between Boards. Considering respective cricket history, what BCB has cracked (as bilateral series), compared to PCB, I feel you should care to question what Nazam Sethi and his team doing here.

For the bold part, you have to listen to Ian Chappel a bit more carefully .......

Hope this helps, I guess, I don't need to explain that 5-0 part .......

Again going back in the past..

My friend you are acting like a 10 year old criticizing PCB for it's past..this is not the same PCB that existed wth bufoons like Butt,Ashraf.

This is like criticizing the present Germany for WW2...
This is an entirely new structure with a new constitution.

Focus on the NEW FTP and the bottom line is that Pakistan got better quality opposition than BD,SL,WI almost all lower tier teams so you calling it an embarassing situation sums up your frustrated mindset with the PCB.

Now Enjoy playing with SL,ZIM,WI,NED,IRE while we tour AUS,ENG,NZ,SA etc.
 
PCB still have a chance to organise more tours though. It will be interesting to see how everything plays out. Currently this does not look good for Pakistan though. They aren't playing enough and it will not help their young players.
 
Again going back in the past..

My friend you are acting like a 10 year old criticizing PCB for it's past..this is not the same PCB that existed wth bufoons like Butt,Ashraf.

This is like criticizing the present Germany for WW2...
This is an entirely new structure with a new constitution.

Focus on the NEW FTP and the bottom line is that Pakistan got better quality opposition than BD,SL,WI almost all lower tier teams so you calling it an embarassing situation sums up your frustrated mindset with the PCB.

Now Enjoy playing with SL,ZIM,WI,NED,IRE while we tour AUS,ENG,NZ,SA etc.


This delusion of yours is at per with that one - BPL in EXTREMELY dependent on PAK players to survive. Good that you have maintained level.

I thought,

I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi for the status of domestic cricket, which yesterday produced some "First Class" matches, you need to read the scorecard.
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi for the domestic wickets that is not even worthy of the words - shambles,
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi for the payment structure of PAK domestic players,
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi for the messed up schedules of domestic cricket, which is making PAK players extremely risky to hire (which has an alarming consequences, for those who can see past),
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi for that yoyo of calling players from UK & WI, which eventually ended in a fitness test
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi, which has isolated PAK in cricket world more than what 9/11 or 3/9 did,
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi, which is spending millions to tussle with BCCI just for a political stunt,
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi which is twisting Sharjeel's case to prove some fake credibility
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi for the 4 moths vacation for PAK players, just after winning CT, in the busiest period of cricket season
.....

The NEW FTP is the proof of utter incompetence of PCB - failure to sell PAK's recent on field success and not recognizing the market potential of 230mn cricket mad population. It's unfortunate that you don't have the eye to see it, or mind to realize it, hence trying to fool yourself and others as well.

Keep BCB out of your thoughts - I know what they are doing, most posters here do as well.
 
My friend you are acting like a 10 year old criticizing PCB for it's past..this is not the same PCB that existed wth bufoons like Butt,Ashraf.

This is like criticizing the present Germany for WW2...
This is an entirely new structure with a new constitution.

Focus on the NEW FTP and the bottom line is that Pakistan got better quality opposition than BD,SL,WI almost all lower tier teams so you calling it an embarassing situation sums up your frustrated mindset with the PCB.

Now Enjoy playing with SL,ZIM,WI,NED,IRE while we tour AUS,ENG,NZ,SA etc.

PCB have always had the least intelligent heads of all boards in recent memory. Its been one fiasco after another, with the current FTP being another one.

This FTP you are bragging about is itself hitherto unapproved by the PCB pending a resoultion of their beef with the BCCI. There is a 95% chance of that ending negatively for the PCB.

Simply put, Pakistani civil society has been incapable of producing capable leaders whether it be at the governmental or cricketing levels, barring the odd exception or some serendipitous coincidence.
 
This is pathetic :facepalm:

As CT winners - we should be at the top of the pile not at the bottom.
 
This is pathetic :facepalm:

As CT winners - we should be at the top of the pile not at the bottom.

Its quality over quantity - you have missed the quality of PAK's opponents. You should feel satisfied, in fact proud for such a quality FTP.
 
The number of ODIs makes for interesting reading. PCB should look at these numbers and be alarmed.

India 61
Australia 48
Sri Lanka 48
New Zealand 45
Bangladesh 45
South Africa 45
England 43
Ireland 42
Afghanistan 41
Zimbabwe 40
Pakistan 38

Bottom of the pile for the Champions Trophy winners.

BD, Afghans and Irish must be the happiest bunch. They might be over the moon.

WI 62 ODI's. Woow!!
 
Its quality over quantity - you have missed the quality of PAK's opponents. You should feel satisfied, in fact proud for such a quality FTP.

Quality is fine but we need more cricket to develop our players generate income.

Especially now with the prospect of home games on the line which would be an added incentive when going on foreign tours.
 
This delusion of yours is at per with that one - BPL in EXTREMELY dependent on PAK players to survive. Good that you have maintained level.

I thought,

I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi for the status of domestic cricket, which yesterday produced some "First Class" matches, you need to read the scorecard.
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi for the domestic wickets that is not even worthy of the words - shambles,
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi for the payment structure of PAK domestic players,
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi for the messed up schedules of domestic cricket, which is making PAK players extremely risky to hire (which has an alarming consequences, for those who can see past),
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi for that yoyo of calling players from UK & WI, which eventually ended in a fitness test
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi, which has isolated PAK in cricket world more than what 9/11 or 3/9 did,
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi, which is spending millions to tussle with BCCI just for a political stunt,
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi which is twisting Sharjeel's case to prove some fake credibility
I criticize current PCB with the dynamic leadership of Nazam Aziz Sethi for the 4 moths vacation for PAK players, just after winning CT, in the busiest period of cricket season
.....

The NEW FTP is the proof of utter incompetence of PCB - failure to sell PAK's recent on field success and not recognizing the market potential of 230mn cricket mad population. It's unfortunate that you don't have the eye to see it, or mind to realize it, hence trying to fool yourself and others as well.

Keep BCB out of your thoughts - I know what they are doing, most posters here do as well.
Changing the topic again and turning towards domestic Cricket eh?
Well the pitches this season may havw not been good but judging a cricket board on the basis of that is extremely childish
Secondly our FC system has produced great cricketers the selection policies have been wrong...name a single player that averaged 50 plus in FC and was a failure for Pakistan at the international level?POST 2010...

PCB is not 'folding'Sharjeel's case to produce some fake credibility unlike BPL that had a bunch of players caught in a sting operation who are still playing international cricket now PCB has taken action and this action would save our PSL from many future corrupt approaches.

Thirdly,our war with BCCI is another issue altogether and if our board has the guts to stand up against BCCI then we have no issue with it..after all we are not BD who try to copy India in every aspect and also have a league with a similar name to IPL..
Fourth,Our players deserved rest..they toured Aus,Nz,Eng,WI so no harm in spending four months rest..if you do not believe me then have a look at what Kohli said earlier.

None of your statements hold any substance and it shows your insecurity and hatred towards Pakistan cricket and it's fans...You and BCB can enjoyand celebrate your 'diplomatic' success by playing 100 matches against Zim,Ire,Ned etc and break all records but for me even 50 matches against quality opposition matters more.

Coming back to BCB,the standard of Cricket can be compared by the fact that Saif the Under 19 captain of Bangladesh averages 40 plus in FC while his U19 average is below 31 something similar for Anamul Haq and all the other legends.

This is what Pybus said about the great BCB...

Pybus said. "My position was undermined consistently by interference from the board, some of whom were not only obstructive, but seemed to be completely ignorant of cricket.

"I couldn't even get the board to sign off on providing healthy sandwiches for the players after training. Players were going down with food poisoning during camps, so I wanted to offer them something better than a fried egg sandwich. I was told I couldn't, because that was all the budget could afford."

If you want the link of the article do let me know.
 
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Quality is fine but we need more cricket to develop our players generate income.

Especially now with the prospect of home games on the line which would be an added incentive when going on foreign tours.

That will happen...PCB has claimed that the number of matches will increase..once the dispute with BCCI is over..

If India agrees well and good..othervise they will increase their matches with other teams.
 
That will happen...PCB has claimed that the number of matches will increase..once the dispute with BCCI is over..

If India agrees well and good..othervise they will increase their matches with other teams.

Once this dispute is over, PCB will find another one.. Believe me.. If my memory serves me right, this is not the first time PCB is threatening to walk away if the dispute is not settled in its favor.. So they will find something new to hate BCCI/India
 
Well this is disappointing, and yes a lot of blame goes to PCB for this disaster. Someone needs to be held accountable for the worst negotiation possible.
 
Well this is disappointing, and yes a lot of blame goes to PCB for this disaster. Someone needs to be held accountable for the worst negotiation possible.

The PCB is negotiating with the ICC and the BCCI with their strong arm tactics.
 
I don't get why everybody is blaming PCB and Sethi or any future PCB Chairman or Pak Govt, this is misdirected anger. Do you really believe PCB will drive such moves?? - You know who is driving this, they are 80% of the Cricket now...As there is saying in USA, Sanction works much better than wars. India will corner us in Cricket as much as they can. They will get more richer and powerful from here on, political tension among us will be reflected in Cricket...
 
This is pathetic :facepalm:

As CT winners - we should be at the top of the pile not at the bottom.

Do you mean that the past CT winners were given special treatment. For god's sake you have won just 1 CT and not even comparable to India and australia who have won multiple CT's.

Stop living in that CT champions months and years after the tournament is over.

Looks like it is the new 1992
 
I don't get why everybody is blaming PCB and Sethi or any future PCB Chairman or Pak Govt, this is misdirected anger. Do you really believe PCB will drive such moves?? - You know who is driving this, they are 80% of the Cricket now...As there is saying in USA, Sanction works much better than wars. India will corner us in Cricket as much as they can. They will get more richer and powerful from here on, political tension among us will be reflected in Cricket...

But do you think 80% was behind PCB's decision to cancel BD tour?
 
But do you think 80% was behind PCB's decision to cancel BD tour?

Wasn't that done in retaliation to BD not touring Pakistan? - Pakistan helped BD get onto the international stage. I am not going to defend every step of PCB, but where Pakistan Cricket is right now has very little to do with PCB or even Govt, they cannot fix this.
 
Do you mean that the past CT winners were given special treatment. For god's sake you have won just 1 CT and not even comparable to India and australia who have won multiple CT's.

Stop living in that CT champions months and years after the tournament is over.

Looks like it is the new 1992

Then Atleast we won 1CT, T20 WC and WC. :ashwin
 
Changing the topic again and turning towards domestic Cricket eh?
Well the pitches this season may havw not been good but judging a cricket board on the basis of that is extremely childish
Secondly our FC system has produced great cricketers the selection policies have been wrong...name a single player that averaged 50 plus in FC and was a failure for Pakistan at the international level?POST 2010...

PCB is not 'folding'Sharjeel's case to produce some fake credibility unlike BPL that had a bunch of players caught in a sting operation who are still playing international cricket now PCB has taken action and this action would save our PSL from many future corrupt approaches.

Thirdly,our war with BCCI is another issue altogether and if our board has the guts to stand up against BCCI then we have no issue with it..after all we are not BD who try to copy India in every aspect and also have a league with a similar name to IPL..
Fourth,Our players deserved rest..they toured Aus,Nz,Eng,WI so no harm in spending four months rest..if you do not believe me then have a look at what Kohli said earlier.

None of your statements hold any substance and it shows your insecurity and hatred towards Pakistan cricket and it's fans...You and BCB can enjoyand celebrate your 'diplomatic' success by playing 100 matches against Zim,Ire,Ned etc and break all records but for me even 50 matches against quality opposition matters more.

Coming back to BCB,the standard of Cricket can be compared by the fact that Saif the Under 19 captain of Bangladesh averages 40 plus in FC while his U19 average is below 31 something similar for Anamul Haq and all the other legends.

This is what Pybus said about the great BCB...

Pybus said. "My position was undermined consistently by interference from the board, some of whom were not only obstructive, but seemed to be completely ignorant of cricket.

"I couldn't even get the board to sign off on providing healthy sandwiches for the players after training. Players were going down with food poisoning during camps, so I wanted to offer them something better than a fried egg sandwich. I was told I couldn't, because that was all the budget could afford."

If you want the link of the article do let me know.

You have a problem of going in circles - this is for the last time I am trying to answer your post on this topic, hope it makes sense.

1. Quality of wicket is part of the domestic system, which is the most vital part of a game like cricket. Bypassing it and cover the issue under PSL is even more childish

2. Not sure how many 50+ average players are there in PAK, one I know stands like French cricket. Selection policy is part of the administration as well, even if I consider that there are unlimited talents like low hanging fruit, only one needs to shake the right tree....

3. The word "war" is a bit too strong here, begging sounds better. PCB has done the full cycle, from requesting, bribing to now threatening - it's not war, it's kidding. At least have some shame before posting such line - "if our board has the guts to stand up against BCCI". It's written communication, record is kept - Indians will catch you off guard here.

4. "Our players deserved rest..they toured Aus,Nz,Eng,WI so no harm in spending four months rest..if you do not believe me then have a look at what Kohli said earlier". Don't know if I laugh at this or fell pity on you - what do you think, people are kids here, or simpleton? PAK players are resting at BPL, T20 cup, after the last tour in July? Kohli has played over 20 games, just in Test cricket in last one and half years and he is scheduled to tour SAF in a weeks' time, add to that the number of LO played by him in that period and the time spent in middle - guy took 2 weeks break for his marriage and you are using that to explain 4 months vacation for PAK players in the busiest period ... grow up, at least don't try to fool others.

5. My insecurity & hate is my personal thing, don't bother what you think on that. Regarding substance, I do agree, my level isn't that high to knock below your skull, that's my limitation, agreed. Quality opposition is a bit mis-leading term, definition varies - for the time being I don't mind BD playing a 5 Test series with substandard SRL ......... hope you know why.

6. For intellectuals like you, I suggest in your verbal calamity, don't put numbers, it'll backfire, because you don't know what you are writing and what it means. Comparing U19 stats with FC stats actually foolish even for you. Babar Azam averages 58 in ODI, 54 in List A, ad 38 in U19 ODI, just one example ...... you should have checked stats for Fawad, Sami & many other before writing this. And, I am not going to Kohli or Smith - it'll be punch below the belt.

Finally the Pybus part - it's true and I take your comment, no need to testify. Unfortunately, you have interpreted the information word for word, didn't dig in deep. You have done a great favor by posting this though - some of the posters will definitely read it like this - "That was BCB 2012, 5 years back - how it's possible now BCB pays $0.4mn to it's Coach and $25,000K/match to at least 25 cricketers".

On top of that, posters will be surprised that same Pybus is now sending his resume for the same role he left 5 years back for the "interference of BCB".
 
You must have missed the part where the boards themselves (i.e. PCB) proposed this in the FTP, yeah Pak & their delusional fans :14:
It's always easier to play victim to imaginary conspiracies than to accept that you incompetent.
 
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