Proposed 2019-2023 FTP: Pakistan to play 121 matches across all formats [Update Post #190]

[Lefthanded]

Does anyone have a number of Tests/ODIs played by full members since 2010? Preferably delineated by format and team/host nation? At least Pakistan's?

Taking into account that Pakistan/India don't play and there's new full members might make a little more sense. My first thought is that Pakistan toured Australia in 2009, and then 7 years later. England in 2010, then 7 years later. Last full tour to SA was 5 years ago and I'm not sure when we'll play Tests in SA next. PP'ers know this, but did we really play most major teams that often anyway?

Blaming Najam Sethi seems strange. I hate to defend him, but it's not his fault that Pakistan aren't invited to play by most boards that often.

Does anyone know why other boards have taken their sweet time with inviting us? Is it that hosting Pakistan doesn't make that much money? Or noticeably less than hosting others?

 

[R0H1T]

It's always easier to play victim to imaginary conspiracies than to accept that you incompetent.

Yeah by hedging all their bets on an imaginary series with us, they forgot to plan series against the others!

 

[Chief Destroyer]

You must have missed the part where the boards themselves (i.e. PCB) proposed this in the FTP, yeah Pak & their delusional fans

Yeah, this is exactly what they were looking for. A whopping 38 games. I'm sure they had plenty of choices but declined. I apologize.

 

[Titan24]

Pakistan has won 2nd most number of ODIs in the cricket history after Australia. Even this FTP doesnt seem like changing that.

Anyways, obviosuly this is not the final plan, considering Pak have considered matches with India and they will be adjusted once the decision is made regarding that. Further, it gives a flexible window to Pakistan to arrange tour and series taking into account the needs and requirements of that time.

I dont remeber FTP being followed as hard and fast rule, it just provides the basic window and number of matches which is really important for teams like Ireland, Afghanistan and may be WI and Bng who cant easily arrange series in an open window.

 

[R0H1T]

If I hadn't known better i.e. incompetence of Sethi, I' d say this move was deliberate. So you have to ask, as a Pak fan, why did the PCB (Sethi & co) schedule less intl cricket? Are they planning to get paid more via tamasha cricket, like $400k from T10 league?

 

[MMHS]

Wasn't that done in retaliation to BD not touring Pakistan? - Pakistan helped BD get onto the international stage. I am not going to defend every step of PCB, but where Pakistan Cricket is right now has very little to do with PCB or even Govt, they cannot fix this.

No, not in retaliation rather for a failed attempt to bully BCB. First, that BD tour was pre-scheduled, not subject to any condition of a return tour by BD (any where). 2015 PAK tour was actually PCB's home tour, but it was shifted to BD and, BCB compensated PCB for that. 2017 series was legitimate BCB's hosting right - PCB can't put any condition on that. Still, BCB was ready to play against PAK at any "suitable" venue.

2nd part is, despite political differences, BCB never declined to play PAK. It's stand was always that PAK-BD bilateral can happen any where, acceptable from security perspectives. If UAE is too expensive for PCB (which you also know is a bluff, PCB is hosting WI, SRL in UAE), that return series could have taken place in SRL, or even in PAK in future. Touring PAK had a legal issue i explained somewhere else - you can find that post. unless PAk is moved out of "high risk country" list, legal system won't allow any team under BD flag to tour PAK. BCB didn't block it's contracted players to tour PAK for PSL or World XI, even after PCB's U turn in July.

Unfortunately, the relation has gone to such a level that in any future tour, I am sure BCB will ask for PAK to tour first & if BCB people are crooked head, they'll go the same route shown by PCB - ask for compensation for that fortified series.

Unpopular truth is that, BD's Test status is 99.99% contribution of one gentleman - Jaghmohan Dhalmiah. Was it right or wrong, I won't go to that, but without him & BCCI, BD won't have played Test for another decade. He (& BCCI, Indian Govt.) had his vested interest on & off the field, but bitter truth is that PAK/PCB had very little contribution in it. I can explain in details, but in short - out of 9 regular ICC members, 2/3rd votes were required for BD's Test status. ENG, AUS & NZ vetoed, WI & SAF didn't vote, while IND, PAK, SRL & ZIM was in favor after round one. It was JD, who had the final lobby/negotiation, which resulted 6/2 in favor (NZ didn't vote 2nd time). PCB had it's share in that 6 of course.

Regarding support to PAK or standing by PCB, despite political differences, there was never any stress at BCB's end. Your previous Chairman sold a bluff of BD touring PAK, now this guy is doing the same thing - fooling people through false bravado. It won't work, BCB will look after it's benefit, something you should realize from recent ICC revenue sharing voting.

 

[Shafi]

This is just the beginning!!!! If we don't put our foot down soon our test status will be history.

 

[MMHS]

Does anyone have a number of Tests/ODIs played by full members since 2010? Preferably delineated by format and team/host nation? At least Pakistan's?

Taking into account that Pakistan/India don't play and there's new full members might make a little more sense. My first thought is that Pakistan toured Australia in 2009, and then 7 years later. England in 2010, then 7 years later. Last full tour to SA was 5 years ago and I'm not sure when we'll play Tests in SA next. PP'ers know this, but did we really play most major teams that often anyway?

Blaming Najam Sethi seems strange. I hate to defend him, but it's not his fault that Pakistan aren't invited to play by most boards that often.

Does anyone know why other boards have taken their sweet time with inviting us? Is it that hosting Pakistan doesn't make that much money? Or noticeably less than hosting others?

I can answer your question with examples, you might not like that though.

Let me tell you a story from history. British-India (BI) was given Test status in 1934, by 1948 that BI was scratched to 2 parts and both part got Test status by 1951. Now, IND was a poor, poor cricket team, compared to it's neighbors and two established cricket power was hardly interested to invite IND till 1980s. It was 1952, then 1967, then 1971, 1974, 1979 in UK and for AUS it was even worse - 1948, 1968, 1978 - 3 tours in 45 years.

The reason was simple - IND wasn't a crowd puller for hosting cricket. Now, what should BCCI do - one route is to create PSL & National T20; another route is to make substitutes, developed own team and close the gap. IND didn't play SAF, played PAK in 3 series before 1961 (then 17 years gap), while NZ was even poorer team that time. So, only option to play quality cricket (& develop) was WI - 1948, 1951, 1958, 1961, 1966, 1970, 1974, 1976, 1978 ..... and those were BIG, BIG series - 5/6 Tests, 10-12 FC matches for 4 months tour.

PAK is facing a similar situation (for whom, lets not go to that) - and PCB has burnt BCB's boat, didn't respond to SAF's call, former PCB chairman had called Poms cheat, and don't play WI for more than 2 Tests & 3 ODI .......... Add to that fixing issues, doping ...... obviously only avenue left in SRL & ZIM.

Regarding, sweet time, I actually feel it's PCB that takes sweeter time than anyone else.

 

[Lefthanded]

I can answer your question with examples, you might not like that though.

Let me tell you a story from history. British-India (BI) was given Test status in 1934, by 1948 that BI was scratched to 2 parts and both part got Test status by 1951. Now, IND was a poor, poor cricket team, compared to it's neighbors and two established cricket power was hardly interested to invite IND till 1980s. It was 1952, then 1967, then 1971, 1974, 1979 in UK and for AUS it was even worse - 1948, 1968, 1978 - 3 tours in 45 years.

The reason was simple - IND wasn't a crowd puller for hosting cricket. Now, what should BCCI do - one route is to create PSL & National T20; another route is to make substitutes, developed own team and close the gap. IND didn't play SAF, played PAK in 3 series before 1961 (then 17 years gap), while NZ was even poorer team that time. So, only option to play quality cricket (& develop) was WI - 1948, 1951, 1958, 1961, 1966, 1970, 1974, 1976, 1978 ..... and those were BIG, BIG series - 5/6 Tests, 10-12 FC matches for 4 months tour.

PAK is facing a similar situation (for whom, lets not go to that) - and PCB has burnt BCB's boat, didn't respond to SAF's call, former PCB chairman had called Poms cheat, and don't play WI for more than 2 Tests & 3 ODI .......... Add to that fixing issues, doping ...... obviously only avenue left in SRL & ZIM.

Regarding, sweet time, I actually feel it's PCB that takes sweeter time than anyone else.

Actually, I think you make a fine point.

I am however unsure about this long historical narrative that involves the succession of board leadership. It's hardly royal blood through which history, stories, grudges and prejudices can be passed down through the throne when it's global cricketing businesses/boards. And I'm not even sure that used to happen in royal succession.

I'm not even sure how many board officials even remember most of what you're talking about.

That said, the more recent history of PCB [post-2000] is where I think you're onto something. I think it must be a factor, because no other country's board wants to deal with a ****** board run by the likes of Zaka, Sethi, etc, the history of fixers, and more and fixers in domestic cricket. Doping isn't the same I think because in fixing you're not sure who else is involved, but in doping it's clear who is involved.

That's neither here nor there, but I still think there's more going on in this story.

In any event, I'm not sure why you think I wouldn't have liked your answer.

 

[MMHS]

Actually, I think you make a fine point.

I am however unsure about this long historical narrative that involves the succession of board leadership. It's hardly royal blood through which history, stories, grudges and prejudices can be passed down through the throne when it's global cricketing businesses/boards. And I'm not even sure that used to happen in royal succession.

I'm not even sure how many board officials even remember most of what you're talking about.

That said, the more recent history of PCB [post-2000] is where I think you're onto something. I think it must be a factor, because no other country's board wants to deal with a ****** board run by the likes of Zaka, Sethi, etc, the history of fixers, and more and fixers in domestic cricket. Doping isn't the same I think because in fixing you're not sure who else is involved, but in doping it's clear who is involved.

That's neither here nor there, but I still think there's more going on in this story.

In any event, I'm not sure why you think I wouldn't have liked your answer.

Thanks. Normally people reacts if the explanation doesn't match expectation.

PAK's isolation is given, no point crying or tearing own hair for that, neither blaming everyone. Next best option is to wait for own time and survive through alternatives in this difficult period - PCB is doing opposite.

 

[big_gamer007]

I would rather have India play against Aus, eng, SA and NZ than other teams.. But I guess some fans like watching one sided series against weaker teams as well so it’s fine if they’ve they Reba chef used I don’t so I don’t watch them simple..

IMO Pakistan have got a perfect blend of good competitive series and time off they can make their domestic structure strong or ask other boards for bi-laterals or even Tri-laterals like old days.. I don’t seee a point in them playing SL or WI in UAE twice every year but maybe fans enjoy that and want that?

 

[Markhor]

People need to look at the number of series and not just the number of matches.

We're playing the same number of Test and ODI series in the League as everyone else.

We haven't seen the full FTP yet but I assume the reason why we're playing few matches is because the length of our series (which is up to the Boards) is shorter and we haven't as many series booked in the window outside the League.

We play THREE Test series a year, six in total over the two years of the Test Championship.

2019/20 - South Africa (H), Australia (A), New Zealand (A).
2020/21 - Sri Lanka (H), Bangladesh (H), England (A).
2021/22- Australia (H), Bangladesh (A), West Indies (A).
2022/23 - England (H), New Zealand (H), Sri Lanka (A).

And like everyone else, we play FOUR ODI series a year over the two year period of the ODI Championship:

2020/21 - Australia (H), Zimbabwe (H), Afghanistan (A), Netherlands (A).
2021/22 - New Zealand (H), West Indies (H), England (A), South Africa (A).

 

[navin]

I can answer your question with examples, you might not like that though.

Let me tell you a story from history. British-India (BI) was given Test status in 1934, by 1948 that BI was scratched to 2 parts and both part got Test status by 1951. Now, IND was a poor, poor cricket team, compared to it's neighbors and two established cricket power was hardly interested to invite IND till 1980s. It was 1952, then 1967, then 1971, 1974, 1979 in UK and for AUS it was even worse - 1948, 1968, 1978 - 3 tours in 45 years.

The reason was simple - IND wasn't a crowd puller for hosting cricket. Now, what should BCCI do - one route is to create PSL & National T20; another route is to make substitutes, developed own team and close the gap. IND didn't play SAF, played PAK in 3 series before 1961 (then 17 years gap), while NZ was even poorer team that time. So, only option to play quality cricket (& develop) was WI - 1948, 1951, 1958, 1961, 1966, 1970, 1974, 1976, 1978 ..... and those were BIG, BIG series - 5/6 Tests, 10-12 FC matches for 4 months tour.

PAK is facing a similar situation (for whom, lets not go to that) - and PCB has burnt BCB's boat, didn't respond to SAF's call, former PCB chairman had called Poms cheat, and don't play WI for more than 2 Tests & 3 ODI .......... Add to that fixing issues, doping ...... obviously only avenue left in SRL & ZIM.

Regarding, sweet time, I actually feel it's PCB that takes sweeter time than anyone else.

Woah! You sounds like a true cricket buff even a historian.

I am really impressed

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Someone doesnt want Pakistan to do well.....(high level officials,politicians,etc...bcci, anything to win)

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

I would rather have India play against Aus, eng, SA and NZ than other teams.. But I guess some fans like watching one sided series against weaker teams as well so it’s fine if they’ve they Reba chef used I don’t so I don’t watch them simple..

IMO Pakistan have got a perfect blend of good competitive series and time off they can make their domestic structure strong or ask other boards for bi-laterals or even Tri-laterals like old days.. I don’t seee a point in them playing SL or WI in UAE twice every year but maybe fans enjoy that and want that?

This but posters like [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] think BCB is a superpower by playing 100 matches against Zim,Ire,Ned,Afg etc.

Quality>Quantity

 

[CricketAnalyst]

I don't think these are final numbers, because it's unlikely IND to play so many T20s & so little Test. Apart from other factors, the more T20 team IND plays, it actually counter productive to IPL. Better business sense is to play more Tests & ODI ant national level and less T20I. Total match day (37 X 5 + 61 + 61 = 307), might remain similar, but I believe for IND, number will settle like 45 Tests, 60 ODI & 35 T20I.

The final number should be even more embarrassing for PAK - since number of teams are increasing, but IND, AUS, ENG already booked, we'll see many more matches between other teams outside FTP - I don't see that scope much for PCB, already in tango with BCCI, twisted relationship with BCB, AFCB, didn't tour SAF ..... won't be surprised if every team, apart from IRL & ZIM crossing PAK in final numbers. SRL & WI had been playing more Tests than PAK for last couple of decades, now no surprise BD will cross and I am sure NZ will end-up playing more Tests than PAK, while SAF should match numbers of ENG/AUS.

This is untrue, because it is based on the false premise that IPL has demand only because of extreme scarcity. IPL will be just as popular however many T20 we play.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Absoloute joke if this is what PCB has organised to play so far!

 

[bujhee kom]

Do you mean that the past CT winners were given special treatment. For god's sake you have won just 1 CT and not even comparable to India and australia who have won multiple CT's.

Stop living in that CT champions months and years after the tournament is over.

Looks like it is the new 1992

Let's not pretend like Bangladesh fans would be any different if our team ever won anything.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

People need to look at the number of series and not just the number of matches.

We're playing the same number of Test and ODI series in the League as everyone else.

We haven't seen the full FTP yet but I assume the reason why we're playing few matches is because the length of our series (which is up to the Boards) is shorter and we haven't as many series booked in the window outside the League.

We play THREE Test series a year, six in total over the two years of the Test Championship.

2019/20 - South Africa (H), Australia (A), New Zealand (A).
2020/21 - Sri Lanka (H), Bangladesh (H), England (A).
2021/22- Australia (H), Bangladesh (A), West Indies (A).
2022/23 - England (H), New Zealand (H), Sri Lanka (A).

And like everyone else, we play FOUR ODI series a year over the two year period of the ODI Championship:

2020/21 - Australia (H), Zimbabwe (H), Afghanistan (A), Netherlands (A).
2021/22 - New Zealand (H), West Indies (H), England (A), South Africa (A).

This is the BEST POST of this thread.

People are not analysing it properly..it is actually better than oir 2015 tp 2019 schedule that includes most mat hes against Zim,Ban,SL,Ind etc. and many had to be scrapped due to bad relations.

We can easily incresse the number of matches we play in a series through mutual agreement but the quality of the oppposition matters more and in this case we get to play against good opposition so I am content

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Absoloute joke if this is what PCB has organised to play so far!

The number of ODIs will incresse by 19 according to PCB.
Tests will increase too most probably.

 

[shah_1]

This is the BEST POST of this thread.

People are not analysing it properly..it is actually better than oir 2015 tp 2019 schedule that includes most mat hes against Zim,Ban,SL,Ind etc. and many had to be scrapped due to bad relations.

We can easily incresse the number of matches we play in a series through mutual agreement but the quality of the oppposition matters more and in this case we get to play against good opposition so I am content

We have played 34 test matches and 60 ODIs( not including WC and CT matches) in last 4 years

 

[big_gamer007]

This but posters like [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] think BCB is a superpower by playing 100 matches against Zim,Ire,Ned,Afg etc.

Quality>Quantity

It’s ok everyone has a different opinion if they enjoy matches you and me consider boring then there is nothing wrong in it.. Frankly speaking I don’t have time to watch all matches and with options available now with 20+ sports channels and 50+ movie channels I would rather watch something else than a boring India vs BD match.. But a lot of fans watch such series so BCCI hosts them so that’s fine I guess..

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Number of T20Is in the proposed FTP between 2019 and 2023:<br>India61<br>West Indies55<br>New Zealand49<br>Ireland 44<br>Sri Lanka 42<br>Bangladesh 42<br>South Africa42<br>England 41<br>Australia38<br>Pakistan 38<br>Afghanistan 34<br>Zimbabwe 31<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/941014878181056512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Oxfordchamp]

This is untrue, because it is based on the false premise that IPL has demand only because of extreme scarcity. IPL will be just as popular however many T20 we play.

Yes...india playing more t20s is not an accident..its a deliberate move by Bcci as that's where the demand is and that's what sponsors are pushing for Bcci to do...it should give an indication where the game is headed...

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

We have played 34 test matches and 60 ODIs( not including WC and CT matches) in last 4 years

Again bro majority of our matches have been against Zim,SL etc we have such a good team we want tp see us play against England,Aus etc.

Quality>Quantity which the new FTP gives us.

Increasing the number of matches wont be difficult.

 

[shah_1]

Again bro majority of our matches have been against Zim,SL etc we have such a good team we want tp see us play against England,Aus etc.

Quality>Quantity which the new FTP gives us.

Increasing the number of matches wont be difficult.

17 test matches have been against England, New Zealand and Australia. 50 %

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Again bro majority of our matches have been against Zim,SL etc we have such a good team we want tp see us play against England,Aus etc.

Quality>Quantity which the new FTP gives us.

Increasing the number of matches wont be difficult.

We can have quality with quantity. Teams need to play the weaker teams as well. Pakistan should use these series to test fringe players.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Pakistan being shown their worth time and time again and they never see the reflection in the mirror.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Very very disappointing to say the least.

 

[Saj]

I think we will be seeing Pakistan versus Pakistan A matches and the PCB saying that they are international matches and included in the FTP

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

This is also the reason Pakistani batsmen can play till 42/42 and younger guys get no chances. There simply are not enough matches and everyone wants to play in the available matches.

 

[Abdullah719]

PCB awaits dispute panel verdict on slots of 19 games against India

KARACHI: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is waiting for a decision on its dispute claim against India before finalising its slot for International Cricket Council’s proposed future tour program (FTP) from 2019 to 2023. Many eyebrows were raised when documents Tuesday revealed that Pakistan are scheduled to play only 38 bilateral ODIs and 28 Tests in the four-year cycle from 2019 to 2023.

However, an official of the PCB was quoted as saying Wednesday that the board was waiting for a decision by the dispute panel before deciding on slots for at least 19 matches. “That is because we have 19 matches with India not slotted, yet awaiting clearance from ICC dispute resolution committee,” said the official, when asked why Pakistan has got fewest number of matches in the new FTP. The official explained that if dispute panel decided against Pakistan then the PCB would have an option of filling the slots with other teams.

He further added that the FTP won’t be signed until the decision on the dispute was announced. “No FTP schedule will be final until decision in our case. If we win, India will have to slot our matches. If we lose we will have these slots filled in by others,” the official said. The PCB had earlier officially stated that any decision by the dispute resolution committee should be reflected on the FTP.

“Under the prevailing circumstances, it is the PCB’s position that if the Dispute Resolution Committee decides the dispute in PCB’s favour then any FTP will need to be adjusted to reflect the decision,” he said. “Any agreement of the PCB to any new FTP structure will therefore be without prejudice to its existing claims against BCCI and will be subject to the outcome of the ICC dispute resolution process.”

The PCB has claimed a compensation of $70 million from BCCI for not honouring its commitment of playing series according to the MoU signed between the two boards.

https://dailytimes.com.pk/159112/pcb-awaits-dispute-panel-verdict-slots-19-games-india/

 

[Square Drive]

Gonna wait and see if that slot of 19 games is filled in or not first before commenting. If so, it might not be as bad, especially when you consider what [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] has posted above.

 

[Savak]

Gonna wait and see if that slot of 19 games is filled in or not first before commenting. If so, it might not be as bad, especially when you consider what [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] has posted above.

Criticizing the PCB for the sake of criticizing the PCB has become a favorite past time.

 

[surprise-package]

Good to see them playing less ODIs which is basically meaningless unless it is an ICC event.

Alarming part is just 28 tests at an average of 7 per year. Heck even Bangladesh is playing 35 tests. No wonder our batsmen struggle to cross 5K runs mark and bowlers struggles to go past 300 wickets. Utterly disappointed.

 

[maxamax]

If Sethi and co. agree to this then they should resign immediately and be sat on donkeys and made to ride around Lahore.

Thats why they are not approving this without Indian settlement. With ICC being enslaved by big boys, there is very little they can arrange unless drastic steps are taken.

 

[MenInG]

LAHORE: Pakistan are set to play more than 120 Test, ODIs and T20 Inter*nationals under the new Future Tours Programme (FTP) being finalised by the ICC, including 80 per cent against strong teams and 20 per cent against lowly outfits, Dawn has learnt.

According to the initial draft of FTP, Pakistan were to play around 104 matches of all three formats, besides the games that would not be part of the FTP during 2019-23.

However, at the ICC executive committee meeting held in Singapore earlier this month, Pakistan’s matches have been increased to more than 120, a PCB official told Dawn on the condition of anonymity.

“Presently, we are in a good position as the PCB did not prefer to play matches against lowly teams like Afghanistan, Ireland, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe,” the official disclosed.

He continued, “A propaganda is being spread that Pakistan will play less matches while teams like Bangladesh, Ireland, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan will play more matches.

“In fact, these four [lowly] teams will compete more against each other. Therefore, the number [of their games] may be [comparatively] more. Whereas Pakistan will play 80 to 85 per cent of their matches against strong teams and while remaining fixtures will be against average opponents like Bangladesh, Ireland, Afghanistan and Zimbabwe,” he elaborated.

“As the PCB has advised the ICC not to finalise the FTP until its Resolution Committee settles the issue between India and Pakistan over the resumption of their bilateral series, the game’s governing body may announce the FTP early next year with a condition that Pakistan’s matches will be subject tothe resolution of the [bilateral series] issue between India and Pakistan,” the official said further.

“The three-match T20 series against the West Indies at home [to be staged in April 2018] and the PSL matches -- both annual events of Pakistan -- are not included in the FTP. Moreover, Pakistan, besides the West Indies series, will also try to arrange some series at home, which will be out of the FTP,” he said.

“In fact, Pakistan and South Africa will play around the same number of international matches from 2019-2023 while Sri Lanka and New Zealand will compete in less number of matches as compared to Pakistan,” the official claimed.

Interestingly, there are some reports the cash-rich Indian Premier League (IPL) has been formally recognised in the new FTP document as a global event.

As a result, there may be no international cricket 15 days before and after the IPL every year.

About India’s conditions about the IPL, the official admitted that the BCCI produced the orders of its Supreme Court at the ICC executive committee meeting, according to which it did not allow India to play any bilateral series 15 days before and after the IPL.

“Many top players from across the cricketing world feature in the IPL, so no cricket board can form its best team [for international contests] during the IPL. However, still England is opposing the proposal as its own domestic cricket is on during the IPL [in April-May]. That’s why Pakistan and England will play a two-Test series during May 2018,” the official explained.

When asked what Pakistan will do during the IPL, because their players were not invited to play in that league, the official said in those days a series against some lowly countries could be possible.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1376411

 

[Extra_Cover]

From all this fiasco the one thing I don't understand is that if Pakistan's FTP shows 19 games short then why doesn't India's FTP show 19 games short? Surely, India would not play additional 19 games right?

 

[bujhee kom]

Pakistan has an ok schedule. 1/2 additional or fewer Tests a year isnt a huge deal. Especially as you are playing major sides more often.

Want to see us play Pakistan in Pakistan to inflict major humiliation especially on this day.

 

[Bilal7]

People need to look at the number of series and not just the number of matches.

We're playing the same number of Test and ODI series in the League as everyone else.

We haven't seen the full FTP yet but I assume the reason why we're playing few matches is because the length of our series (which is up to the Boards) is shorter and we haven't as many series booked in the window outside the League.

We play THREE Test series a year, six in total over the two years of the Test Championship.

2019/20 - South Africa (H), Australia (A), New Zealand (A).
2020/21 - Sri Lanka (H), Bangladesh (H), England (A).
2021/22- Australia (H), Bangladesh (A), West Indies (A).
2022/23 - England (H), New Zealand (H), Sri Lanka (A).

And like everyone else, we play FOUR ODI series a year over the two year period of the ODI Championship:

2020/21 - Australia (H), Zimbabwe (H), Afghanistan (A), Netherlands (A).
2021/22 - New Zealand (H), West Indies (H), England (A), South Africa (A).

There is not much wrong with the FTP. I'm glad we don't have many useless series planned against the likes of Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and West Indies. Much better to allow the players to give their 100% in all the big tours, which includes going there a couple weeks early and properly acclimatizing to the conditions.

With the ICC and Asia Cup tournaments, expanded PSL and the inevitable addition of a few extra matches, I don't see what the commotion is about. If this ensures that we get more money from the broadcasters, does not burn out our players and allows us to do well against the big teams, this is a great move by the PCB officials.

Of course, not one single bilateral match against India for over a decade (2013-2023) is an absolute farce. Politics aside, I believe even Indian fans would like to see us play cricket against each other?

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

There is not much wrong with the FTP. I'm glad we don't have many useless series planned against the likes of Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and West Indies. Much better to allow the players to give their 100% in all the big tours, which includes going there a couple weeks early and properly acclimatizing to the conditions.

With the ICC and Asia Cup tournaments, expanded PSL and the inevitable addition of a few extra matches, I don't see what the commotion is about. If this ensures that we get more money from the broadcasters, does not burn out our players and allows us to do well against the big teams, this is a great move by the PCB officials.

Of course, not one single bilateral match against India for over a decade (2013-2023) is an absolute farce. Politics aside, I believe even Indian fans would like to see us play cricket against each other?

Very good post.

If the 2018 elections end up in favour of PTI then I see the Indian team playing against Pakistan often in the next 4 years..

We played extremely good cricket in the 1980s because all our players had good short gaps and preserved their energy to play against big teams.

Quality>Quantity

 

[CanadianG00se]

There is not much wrong with the FTP. I'm glad we don't have many useless series planned against the likes of Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and West Indies. Much better to allow the players to give their 100% in all the big tours, which includes going there a couple weeks early and properly acclimatizing to the conditions.

With the ICC and Asia Cup tournaments, expanded PSL and the inevitable addition of a few extra matches, I don't see what the commotion is about. If this ensures that we get more money from the broadcasters, does not burn out our players and allows us to do well against the big teams, this is a great move by the PCB officials.

Of course, not one single bilateral match against India for over a decade (2013-2023) is an absolute farce. Politics aside, I believe even Indian fans would like to see us play cricket against each other?

Simple answer: NO

Having no bilateral matches between these two makes the World cup encounter even more intense as both teams try to give their best.
All of my best memories between these two teams have been in World cups, which is why i dont really miss India-Pakistan bilaterals. Most Indian fans i know dont really miss the series either, they all care about World cup encounter more than useless Kitply cups.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Very good post.

If the 2018 elections end up in favour of PTI then I see the Indian team playing against Pakistan often in the next 4 years..

We played extremely good cricket in the 1980s because all our players had good short gaps and preserved their energy to play against big teams.

Quality>Quantity

As long as Modi is our PM, it will makes no difference to who is the PM of Pakistan. He will continue his Anti-Pakistan stand as it earns him votes among masses.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Very good post.

If the 2018 elections end up in favour of PTI then I see the Indian team playing against Pakistan often in the next 4 years..

We played extremely good cricket in the 1980s because all our players had good short gaps and preserved their energy to play against big teams.

Quality>Quantity

PTI or anyone winning in Pakistan wont matter to India.

 

[ManFan]

Haha. Really shows how amazing the PCB administration is.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Pakistan is getting the following series vs Big 4 (AUS, ENG, SA):

5 Test series
3 ODI series

Bangladesh gets the following vs the Big 3 (AUS, IND, ENG):

3 Test series (plus 1 more vs SA)
1 ODI series (plus 1 more vs SA)

So overall, not a huge difference. PAK will probably play between 10-12 Tests vs Big 4 and Bangladesh will play 6 vs the Big 3.

That is an accurate reflection of where the two teams stand at the moment - which is when the FTP was negotiated.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Pakistan is getting the following series vs Big 4 (AUS, ENG, SA):

5 Test series
3 ODI series

Bangladesh gets the following vs the Big 3 (AUS, IND, ENG):

3 Test series (plus 1 more vs SA)
1 ODI series (plus 1 more vs SA)

So overall, not a huge difference. PAK will probably play between 10-12 Tests vs Big 4 and Bangladesh will play 6 vs the Big 3.

That is an accurate reflection of where the two teams stand at the moment - which is when the FTP was negotiated.

It is a huge difference.

Bangladesh do not even get invited to play in Australia or England.

All their series against most of big 3 is at home.

You cannot be world beaters until you start beating teams at their own den.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Pakistan is getting the following series vs Big 4 (AUS, ENG, SA):

5 Test series
3 ODI series

Bangladesh gets the following vs the Big 3 (AUS, IND, ENG):

3 Test series (plus 1 more vs SA)
1 ODI series (plus 1 more vs SA)

So overall, not a huge difference. PAK will probably play between 10-12 Tests vs Big 4 and Bangladesh will play 6 vs the Big 3.

That is an accurate reflection of where the two teams stand at the moment - which is when the FTP was negotiated.

Plus matches against Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka will be increased adding 15 more odis and 2 or 3 more tests

 

[hayder ali]

Pakistan to play 14 tests next year?

1-Pakistan tour to Ireland and England 3 Tests
2- Pakistan tour to Zim 2 Tests
3- Pakistan hosting Australia and NZ Six Tests
4-Pakistan tour to RSA three tests.......

 

[Hermoine Green]

Don't get it, why our fans are so angry?
With this board, incompetent jokers, it was bound to happen.

Sethi can chant PSL PSL PSL )

 

[Hermoine Green]

Tough year ahead for us

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

1-Pakistan tour to Ireland and England 3 Tests
2- Pakistan tour to Zim 2 Tests
3- Pakistan hosting Australia and NZ Six Tests
4-Pakistan tour to RSA three tests.......

Australia tests are reduced to 2
Zimbabwe wont be hosting any tests due to financial issues of ZC

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Don't get it, why our fans are so angry?
With this board, incompetent jokers, it was bound to happen.

Sethi can chant PSL PSL PSL )

Only those fans are angry who have not read it properly...

Quality>Quantity

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

You have a problem of going in circles - this is for the last time I am trying to answer your post on this topic, hope it makes sense.

1. Quality of wicket is part of the domestic system, which is the most vital part of a game like cricket. Bypassing it and cover the issue under PSL is even more childish

2. Not sure how many 50+ average players are there in PAK, one I know stands like French cricket. Selection policy is part of the administration as well, even if I consider that there are unlimited talents like low hanging fruit, only one needs to shake the right tree....

3. The word "war" is a bit too strong here, begging sounds better. PCB has done the full cycle, from requesting, bribing to now threatening - it's not war, it's kidding. At least have some shame before posting such line - "if our board has the guts to stand up against BCCI". It's written communication, record is kept - Indians will catch you off guard here.

4. "Our players deserved rest..they toured Aus,Nz,Eng,WI so no harm in spending four months rest..if you do not believe me then have a look at what Kohli said earlier". Don't know if I laugh at this or fell pity on you - what do you think, people are kids here, or simpleton? PAK players are resting at BPL, T20 cup, after the last tour in July? Kohli has played over 20 games, just in Test cricket in last one and half years and he is scheduled to tour SAF in a weeks' time, add to that the number of LO played by him in that period and the time spent in middle - guy took 2 weeks break for his marriage and you are using that to explain 4 months vacation for PAK players in the busiest period ... grow up, at least don't try to fool others.

5. My insecurity & hate is my personal thing, don't bother what you think on that. Regarding substance, I do agree, my level isn't that high to knock below your skull, that's my limitation, agreed. Quality opposition is a bit mis-leading term, definition varies - for the time being I don't mind BD playing a 5 Test series with substandard SRL ......... hope you know why.

6. For intellectuals like you, I suggest in your verbal calamity, don't put numbers, it'll backfire, because you don't know what you are writing and what it means. Comparing U19 stats with FC stats actually foolish even for you. Babar Azam averages 58 in ODI, 54 in List A, ad 38 in U19 ODI, just one example ...... you should have checked stats for Fawad, Sami & many other before writing this. And, I am not going to Kohli or Smith - it'll be punch below the belt.

Finally the Pybus part - it's true and I take your comment, no need to testify. Unfortunately, you have interpreted the information word for word, didn't dig in deep. You have done a great favor by posting this though - some of the posters will definitely read it like this - "That was BCB 2012, 5 years back - how it's possible now BCB pays $0.4mn to it's Coach and $25,000K/match to at least 25 cricketers".

On top of that, posters will be surprised that same Pybus is now sending his resume for the same role he left 5 years back for the "interference of BCB".

Since you have already said that you wont teply to my post so I will spare my time and not a write a long post to counter your idiotic statements.
But yes we are 'begging'to BCCI the same way we 'begged'to BCB and BCB got humiliated anf payed us compensation for not touring us.
This shows what a joke of a body BCB is.

But I would end this discussion by saying that BD fans can enjoy playing mighty Zim,Ire etc while we preserve our energy to tour England and Australia.Being an ex BD fan I hope England and Australia consider you worthy enough to tour one day.

 

[MenInG]

LAHORE: Pakistan are set to play more than 120 Test, ODIs and T20 Inter*nationals under the new Future Tours Programme (FTP) being finalised by the ICC, including 80 per cent against strong teams and 20 per cent against lowly outfits, Dawn has learnt.

According to the initial draft of FTP, Pakistan were to play around 104 matches of all three formats, besides the games that would not be part of the FTP during 2019-23.

However, at the ICC executive committee meeting held in Singapore earlier this month, Pakistan’s matches have been increased to more than 120, a PCB official told Dawn on the condition of anonymity.

“Presently, we are in a good position as the PCB did not prefer to play matches against lowly teams like Afghanistan, Ireland, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe,” the official disclosed.

He continued, “A propaganda is being spread that Pakistan will play less matches while teams like Bangladesh, Ireland, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan will play more matches.

“In fact, these four [lowly] teams will compete more against each other. Therefore, the number [of their games] may be [comparatively] more. Whereas Pakistan will play 80 to 85 per cent of their matches against strong teams and while remaining fixtures will be against average opponents like Bangladesh, Ireland, Afghanistan and Zimbabwe,” he elaborated.

“As the PCB has advised the ICC not to finalise the FTP until its Resolution Committee settles the issue between India and Pakistan over the resumption of their bilateral series, the game’s governing body may announce the FTP early next year with a condition that Pakistan’s matches will be subject tothe resolution of the [bilateral series] issue between India and Pakistan,” the official said further.

“The three-match T20 series against the West Indies at home [to be staged in April 2018] and the PSL matches -- both annual events of Pakistan -- are not included in the FTP. Moreover, Pakistan, besides the West Indies series, will also try to arrange some series at home, which will be out of the FTP,” he said.

“In fact, Pakistan and South Africa will play around the same number of international matches from 2019-2023 while Sri Lanka and New Zealand will compete in less number of matches as compared to Pakistan,” the official claimed.

Interestingly, there are some reports the cash-rich Indian Premier League (IPL) has been formally recognised in the new FTP document as a global event.

As a result, there may be no international cricket 15 days before and after the IPL every year.

About India’s conditions about the IPL, the official admitted that the BCCI produced the orders of its Supreme Court at the ICC executive committee meeting, according to which it did not allow India to play any bilateral series 15 days before and after the IPL.

“Many top players from across the cricketing world feature in the IPL, so no cricket board can form its best team [for international contests] during the IPL. However, still England is opposing the proposal as its own domestic cricket is on during the IPL [in April-May]. That’s why Pakistan and England will play a two-Test series during May 2018,” the official explained.

When asked what Pakistan will do during the IPL, because their players were not invited to play in that league, the official said in those days a series against some lowly countries could be possible.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1376411

For those who missed this!

 

[Usman Chadda]

An article above makes it clear PCB is not interested in playing the likes of Bangladesh, Ireland, West Indies (unfair to put them in this category IMO) etc. Pakistan would benefit much more from playing against strong oppositions, and that too on away tours. Good stuff.

 

[hayder ali]

Can anbody send me link of Pakistan new FTP?

 

[Abdullah719]

Can anbody send me link of Pakistan new FTP?

It's only a proposed FTP; the final one will be available at a later date.

 

[Markhor]

An article above makes it clear PCB is not interested in playing the likes of Bangladesh, Ireland, West Indies (unfair to put them in this category IMO) etc. Pakistan would benefit much more from playing against strong oppositions, and that too on away tours. Good stuff.

Another factor that's being forgotten is the broadcasting deal which is going to be negotiated next year.

With no India series to offer, you cannot stack up on series against lower ranked teams. We will play 28 Tests in the League, but 19 are against Australia, South Africa and England so you protect the value of your deal.

 

[navin]

Pakistan should opt for tier-2 teams instead of waiting for India.
A bird in hand is better than two in bush.

 

[hayder ali]

It's only a proposed FTP; the final one will be available at a later date.

Is the FTP 2019-2023 starts before or after world cup

 

[hayder ali]

Pakistan should opt for tier-2 teams instead of waiting for India.
A bird in hand is better than two in bush.

Is the ftp 2019-2023 starts before or after world cup

 

[Markhor]

[MENTION=146122]hayder ali[/MENTION] - From May 2019 to May 2023.

From what I've read, 41 out of 81 Test series (so League Tests + regular bilaterals) in the new FTP will be two Test series - don't think [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] will be pleased with that.

Whereas in the current FTP, 39% of Test series involve three Tests, that number is down to 17% in the new FTP.

The new FTP covers 2019-2023 meaning there will be two Test Championships involving 57 Test series - 36 of them are 2 Test series which is nearly two-thirds. The remaining 24 Test series will largely involve the non-League sides Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Ireland, and brief series between League teams vs non-League teams.

As Pakistan are slated for 28 Tests in the League, with 7 of our 13 home Tests chalked in to be against Australia, England and South Africa, and 6 of our 15 away Tests against Austalia and England, here's my guess as to the breakdown:

2019/20 - 2 x South Africa (H), 3 x Australia (A), 2 x New Zealand (A).
2020/21 - 2 x Sri Lanka (H), 1 x Bangladesh (H), 3 x England (A).
2021/22 - 2 x Australia (H), 2 x Bangladesh (H) and 3 x Sri Lanka (A).
2022/23 - 3 x England (H), 2 x New Zealand (H), 2 x Sri Lanka (A).

How else could that break down ? [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]

 

[the Great Khan]

Another factor that's being forgotten is the broadcasting deal which is going to be negotiated next year.

With no India series to offer, you cannot stack up on series against lower ranked teams. We will play 28 Tests in the League, but 19 are against Australia, South Africa and England so you protect the value of your deal.

i think your right about this one. I think we will have more test series but will negotiate the rest on a series by series basis due to the tv rights..I think we do need some series against some of the lesser teams. i think the PCB will squeeze in a test with Ireland, afghanistan, and zimbabwe. I reckon we could squeeze the number up to about 43 odd which will be ok..

I want to see them play more ODI's though..

 

[Markhor]

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] - still don't think that's right.

2019/20 - 2 x South Africa (H), 3 x Australia (A), 2 x New Zealand (A).
2020/21 - 2 x Sri Lanka (H), 2 x Bangladesh (H), 3 x England (A).
2021/22 - 2 x Australia (H), 2 x Bangladesh (A), 2 x West Indies (A).
2022/23 - 3 x England (H), 2 x New Zealand (H), 3 x Sri Lanka (A).

Right, we finally got there. That's 13 home Tests, 7 against Big Four minus India, and 15 away Tests, 6 against AUS and ENG. 28 in total.

 

[Savak]

Bangladesh and Ireland are not exactly weak oppositions anymore. Ireland will most probably have players who have played and been polished in County Cricket so they will hardly be turnovers. Bangladesh is no longer a minnow

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=146122]hayder ali[/MENTION] - From May 2019 to May 2023.

From what I've read, 41 out of 81 Test series (so League Tests + regular bilaterals) in the new FTP will be two Test series - don't think [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] will be pleased with that.

Whereas in the current FTP, 39% of Test series involve three Tests, that number is down to 17% in the new FTP.

The new FTP covers 2019-2023 meaning there will be two Test Championships involving 57 Test series - 36 of them are 2 Test series which is nearly two-thirds. The remaining 24 Test series will largely involve the non-League sides Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Ireland, and brief series between League teams vs non-League teams.

As Pakistan are slated for 28 Tests in the League, with 7 of our 13 home Tests chalked in to be against Australia, England and South Africa, and 6 of our 15 away Tests against Austalia and England, here's my guess as to the breakdown:

2019/20 - 2 x South Africa (H), 3 x Australia (A), 2 x New Zealand (A).
2020/21 - 2 x Sri Lanka (H), 1 x Bangladesh (H), 3 x England (A).
2021/22 - 2 x Australia (H), 2 x Bangladesh (H) and 3 x Sri Lanka (A).
2022/23 - 3 x England (H), 2 x New Zealand (H), 2 x Sri Lanka (A).

How else could that break down ? [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]

This a provisional FTP, just to block the slots for bilateral tours - I think number of matches will change series by series. I'll be surprised if there is any 2 Test series between IND, ENG, AUS, SAF.

 

[hayder ali]

Australia tests are reduced to 2
Zimbabwe wont be hosting any tests due to financial issues of ZC

Link?

 

[Gubol123]

1-Pakistan tour to Ireland and England 3 Tests
2- Pakistan tour to Zim 2 Tests
3- Pakistan hosting Australia and NZ Six Tests
4-Pakistan tour to RSA three tests.......

I really doubt Pak will host NZ for three tests. If they can do that, then it is really unfair to BD who will bring more spectators/sponsors and probably compete better at UAE Also, Zim may not host any tests at all. So Pak will end up playing around 11 to 12 tests which is very good. More than the numbers they are playing quality opposition. They also favorites for winning all of them except the one in RSA. In RSA they will be a strong contender if their batting holds up

 

[Gubol123]

Link?

http://www.espn.com/cricket/story/_/id/21282969/zimbabwe-scale-back-test-cricket-home

not hosting test is just a speculation as of now. But they might end up playing only LOIs

 

[wrongun]

Does anyone have a number of Tests/ODIs played by full members since 2010? Preferably delineated by format and team/host nation? At least Pakistan's?

Taking into account that Pakistan/India don't play and there's new full members might make a little more sense. My first thought is that Pakistan toured Australia in 2009, and then 7 years later. England in 2010, then 7 years later. Last full tour to SA was 5 years ago and I'm not sure when we'll play Tests in SA next. PP'ers know this, but did we really play most major teams that often anyway?

Blaming Najam Sethi seems strange. I hate to defend him, but it's not his fault that Pakistan aren't invited to play by most boards that often.

Does anyone know why other boards have taken their sweet time with inviting us? Is it that hosting Pakistan doesn't make that much money? Or noticeably less than hosting others?

Low crowds & viewers due to perceptions of fixing. 2010 tour was obviously a disaster and the Sydney Test on last Oz tour stunk to high heaven. Boards aren't going to rush to invite teams again after that because the public don't want to watch it.

 

[Saj]

Pakistan are not the box office Test team they once were.

When the likes of Wasim and Waqar were playing they were box office and teams were keen to play against Pakistan and invite them for series.

These days in Test cricket Pakistan don't attract as many fans around the world.

 

[Gubol123]

Pakistan are not the box office Test team they once were.

When the likes of Wasim and Waqar were playing they were box office and teams were keen to play against Pakistan and invite them for series.

These days in Test cricket Pakistan don't attract as many fans around the world.

This.. i don't think even a die-hard fan of Pak cricket would like to watch five days of insipid batting from Azhar Ali and Asad. If Babar, Haris pick up and do well, may be they will bring more crowd to stadium. Currently only Pak test player i would pay to watch is Yasir Shah.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan are not the box office Test team they once were.

When the likes of Wasim and Waqar were playing they were box office and teams were keen to play against Pakistan and invite them for series.

These days in Test cricket Pakistan don't attract as many fans around the world.

Who was the test captain for the last 5-6 years?

 

[MMHS]

Pakistan are not the box office Test team they once were.

When the likes of Wasim and Waqar were playing they were box office and teams were keen to play against Pakistan and invite them for series.

These days in Test cricket Pakistan don't attract as many fans around the world.

Then someone should try to change that. One good initiative can be to bunk those Emirates and if required, go to even Uganda board - they must have some grounds and those wickets can't be worse than UAE.

I can safely say, AUS playing SAF on Abu Dhabi would be equally boring.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Pakistan are not the box office Test team they once were.

When the likes of Wasim and Waqar were playing they were box office and teams were keen to play against Pakistan and invite them for series.

These days in Test cricket Pakistan don't attract as many fans around the world.

Maybe but one more reason is that PCB signs the broadcast deal in 2019 so they want to attract sponsors by showing that most of tests are against big teams

 

[Shutdown Corner]

It is a huge difference.

Bangladesh do not even get invited to play in Australia or England.

All their series against most of big 3 is at home.

We have a tour to Australia next year, albeit its during off season most likely in outposts like Darwin in Cairns.

In the new FTP we do have away Tests in India and SA - places we've also toured in the past year. We also have an ODI tour to SA. We should probably see tours to AUS and ENG after 2023.

Nevertheless it is disappointing we haven't had a tour of England since 2010 given the large expat population in nearly every city in the UK.

You cannot be world beaters until you start beating teams at their own den.

Fair point. But In that case none of India, Pakistan, or Sri Lanka are currently world beaters.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

We have a tour to Australia next year, albeit its during off season most likely in outposts like Darwin in Cairns.

In the new FTP we do have away Tests in India and SA - places we've also toured in the past year. We also have an ODI tour to SA. We should probably see tours to AUS and ENG after 2023.

Nevertheless it is disappointing we haven't had a tour of England since 2010 given the large expat population in nearly every city in the UK.



Fair point. But In that case none of India, Pakistan, or Sri Lanka are currently world beaters.

True..That is the reason why none of the Asian teams could dominate World Cricket like Australia and Windies did earlier

 

[Shutdown Corner]

True..That is the reason why none of the Asian teams could dominate World Cricket like Australia and Windies did earlier

What about Pakistan in the 1980s and 90s?

Another point is, everyone talks about Pakistani quicks starting from Imran (and Sarfraz gets some honorable mentions), Wasim, Waqar, and the more recent ones. How good were the Pakistani quicks before Sarfraz? Must have been decent because Pakistan won overseas Tests much earlier than India and Sri Lanka.

 

[Napa]

Now, IND was a poor, poor cricket team, compared to it's neighbors and two established cricket power was hardly interested to invite IND till 1980s.

You need to avoid posting fakenews if you wish to be taken seriously. "Poor, poor cricket team" compared to its neighbors??? Neighbors is plural but obviously you are referring to Pakistan and not SL or Bangladesh. India beat Pakistan the first Test series they played in 1952/53. And it was ranked #1 for a period of 15 months starting April 1973.