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Youngsters are stepping up in the PSL.


Yasir Khan scored 83 off 46
Kamran Ghulam 37 off 20

Mohammad Haris 47 off 28
Abdul Samad 33 off 11

At the same time, senior players like Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan scored at low strike rates in the same match.

Yesterday, Shamyl Hussain struck 52 off 24.

This clearly shows that Pakistan has young players who can bat with intent and match modern-day demands. These players need to be backed and given consistent opportunities if Pakistan wants to become a force again.

 
RyanRyan10 said:
Youngsters are stepping up in the PSL.


Yasir Khan scored 83 off 46
Kamran Ghulam 37 off 20

Mohammad Haris 47 off 28
Abdul Samad 33 off 11

At the same time, senior players like Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan scored at low strike rates in the same match.

Yesterday, Shamyl Hussain struck 52 off 24.

This clearly shows that Pakistan has young players who can bat with intent and match modern-day demands. These players need to be backed and given consistent opportunities if Pakistan wants to become a force again.
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Haven't watched Yasir khan so can't comment .

Kamarn Ghulam? Not a T20 but good player for ODI and test cricket .

Haris - perfect defination of grabage players. . watch enough to pass the judgement.

Abdul samad - recently watched against Bangladesh and he is nothing special same for shamyl hussain. .

:kp
 
It’s hard to argue with this

Babar and Rizwan have so far been shown up by the talented and fearless youngsters.


I know international cricket is different but can never begrudge a player when they perform
 
cricketjoshila said:
Good, now repeat it in international cricket, but for that they need to be given chances, but will it happen?
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There has to be some sort of pathway

We aren't like India or England at the moment where there is good strong experienced players who can shield and manage the youngsters.

Throwing youngsters into a damaged squad means they can be lambs to the slaughter.

We mismanaged bilateral cricket for many years by never resting seniors. Now when those seniors are done, there is nobody experienced who can take their place.

These youngsters are good, but we gotta invest further like a team tours, play them in low stakes bilaterals etc .
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Youngsters are stepping up in the PSL.


Yasir Khan scored 83 off 46
Kamran Ghulam 37 off 20

Mohammad Haris 47 off 28
Abdul Samad 33 off 11

At the same time, senior players like Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan scored at low strike rates in the same match.

Yesterday, Shamyl Hussain struck 52 off 24.

This clearly shows that Pakistan has young players who can bat with intent and match modern-day demands. These players need to be backed and given consistent opportunities if Pakistan wants to become a force again.
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Mohammad Haris and Kamran Ghulam are not youngsters, they've played for Pakistan and failed. Shamyl Hussain was brutally exposed in the recently concluded ODI series in Bangladesh.

And not to forget, the youngsters are playing against our rotten core (failed international players);also not to forget that PSL has really low quality players as in-form international stars are playing in IPL.

Sorry to burst your bubble but these performances mean nothing...

PSL is a very ordinary league with sub-standard cricket unfortunately...
 
usman.sandhu said:
Mohammad Haris and Kamran Ghulam are not youngsters, they've played for Pakistan and failed. Shamyl Hussain was brutally exposed in the recently concluded ODI series in Bangladesh.

And not to forget, the youngsters are playing against our rotten core (failed international players);also not to forget that PSL has really low quality players as in-form international stars are playing in IPL.

Sorry to burst your bubble but these performances mean nothing...

PSL is a very ordinary league with sub-standard cricket unfortunately...
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Mohammad Haris is 24. What is he if not a youngster?
 
I don't mean to be cynical but PSL has unearthed many players for Pakistan in the past. Most of them are in our national team right now.... how many of them have gone on to become reliable match-winners for Pakistan?

I am all for celebrating good performances such as the ones OP named but at the same time we should also temper our expectations and not overhype. Just let them perform and if they do well they will make it to the team at some point and we will find out if they are good enough.
 
usman.sandhu said:
Tried and tested failure - we have enough of them please let's not promote him over and over again
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It’s beyond stupid to write someone off who is just 24 years old, and has shown flashes of talent. Just because someone has failed doesn’t mean their career is over. If you learn from your failures, they can be a powerful step toward becoming a better player.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It’s beyond stupid to write someone off who is just 24 years old, and has shown flashes of talent. Just because someone has failed doesn’t mean their career is over. If you learn from your failures, they can be a powerful step toward becoming a better player.
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It is beyond stupid to keep pushing for someone's inclusion who has shown time and again that he has no situational awareness, has a flawed technique, has no idea what to do against quality spin and most importantly refuses to work on his technique and address his flaws..

Mohammad Haris believes the only way to play cricket is "boom or bust" irrespective of what's happening in the match, we have enough of these one-hit wonders, please let's not glamorize our weaknesses by hyping up "tulle-baaz batsmen"..
 
usman.sandhu said:
It is beyond stupid to keep pushing for someone's inclusion who has shown time and again that he has no situational awareness, has a flawed technique, has no idea what to do against quality spin and most importantly refuses to work on his technique and address his flaws..

Mohammad Haris believes the only way to play cricket is "boom or bust" irrespective of what's happening in the match, we have enough of these one-hit wonders, please let's not glamorize our weaknesses by hyping up "tulle-baaz batsmen"..
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Seems you have trouble reading because I don't recall pushing for his inclusion. Simply said that he is 24 and has alot of time on his hands to learn from his failures and get better. Unlike certain others I am not so dense where I act like I know how the future will turn out. That would make me beyond stupid.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Seems you have trouble reading because I don't recall pushing for his inclusion. Simply said that he is 24 and has alot of time on his hands to learn from his failures and get better. Unlike certain others I am not so dense where I act like I know how the future will turn out. That would make me beyond stupid.
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I don't have trouble reading, I just happen to identify an agenda peddler when I see one and have the guts to call him out..

I'll say it again, and keep saying it so that agenda peddler like ge the message - stop pushing to include below par players in the team based on one-off fluke performances...
 
Shamyl
Sameer
Arafat
Momin
Ahmed Daniyal


All of these young guns have come to the party so far. Yasir is an experienced pro so I won’t count him as a youngster. He’s ready to play for Pakistan I recon, he’s on or around Sahibzada’s level.
 
Everyone felt the same way when Saim Ayub showed initial spark in the PSL. Everyone can see what Saim Ayub has done under pressure against the best teams on the big stage against the Asia Cup, T20 WC.

Unless the quality of the foreign stock is elite and the domestic players significantly up skill themselves, psl performances need to be taken with a pinch of salt.
 
Rana said:
Shamyl
Sameer
Arafat
Momin
Ahmed Daniyal


All of these young guns have come to the party so far. Yasir is an experienced pro so I won’t count him as a youngster. He’s ready to play for Pakistan I recon, he’s on or around Sahibzada’s level.
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Congrats @mominsaigol for making it in psl. I know he already has a stake in one of the clubs and comes from wealth anyway. This shows determination and strong mental fortitude given he never really needed to even tread this path.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't mean to be cynical but PSL has unearthed many players for Pakistan in the past. Most of them are in our national team right now.... how many of them have gone on to become reliable match-winners for Pakistan?

I am all for celebrating good performances such as the ones OP named but at the same time we should also temper our expectations and not overhype. Just let them perform and if they do well they will make it to the team at some point and we will find out if they are good enough.
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Just like how indian players are at a disadvantage because they don’t get exposure to other franchise leagues due to bcci’s rule about restricting Indian players from playing abroad, Pakistani players too are at a disadvantage because they are not facing the most elite bowlers in psl. Most top bowlers play in ipl as they get far more lucrative contracts and in addition, the timing of psl which happens to clash with ipl makes it even more difficult for them to buy any top foreign bowlers.

So both Indian and Pakistani players are at a disadvantage to be fair. If anything sena players have clear distinct advantage over these 2 since they all get to experience various conditions across the globe. IPL is basically their second home. That’s why SA players could win the test series too in India although India shot themselves in the foot anyway due to their own selection woes.
 
RyanRyan BhaiBhai has more faith in Pak talent than even the Pakistanis.

I understand where both are coming from, and in the case of Pakistanis, look, in such a cricket crazed nation it is only a matter of time where a team is put together that wins at least 1 big tournament or series in the next 5-10 years.

If 2017 can happen, that too as what was the worst team on paper losing series before and after the CT event against no halwa teams, just the best till the start to the final, then tournaments with easier odds can be won.

While hard to hope that Pakistan wins an Aussie series in Australia soon, since tests are more than having 2-4 good games straight like a tournament, the other prizes are still on the table. It only takes 3-5 truly world class players on the right day to click on a given day.

Again, keep it realistic, but this is sport.
 
Shamyl has certainly shown why he could be a good choice in all formats... He needs to keep quiet and focus on his shortcomings now.
 
usman.sandhu said:
I don't have trouble reading, I just happen to identify an agenda peddler when I see one and have the guts to call him out..

I'll say it again, and keep saying it so that agenda peddler like ge the message - stop pushing to include below par players in the team based on one-off fluke performances...
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No you definitely have trouble reading. Best wishes on rectifying that.
 
kron said:
Just like how indian players are at a disadvantage because they don’t get exposure to other franchise leagues due to bcci’s rule about restricting Indian players from playing abroad, Pakistani players too are at a disadvantage because they are not facing the most elite bowlers in psl. Most top bowlers play in ipl as they get far more lucrative contracts and in addition, the timing of psl which happens to clash with ipl makes it even more difficult for them to buy any top foreign bowlers.

So both Indian and Pakistani players are at a disadvantage to be fair. If anything sena players have clear distinct advantage over these 2 since they all get to experience various conditions across the globe. IPL is basically their second home. That’s why SA players could win the test series too in India although India shot themselves in the foot anyway due to their own selection woes.
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That's true but Indian players at least get to play in the best and most competitive league in the world, where they face the best international players in the world and are exposed to high-pressure situations consistently. PSL is a good product but interms of quality and competitiveness I wouldn't put it in the same category as IPL or SA20. The gulf between PSL and those two leagues is pretty significant.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
That's true but Indian players at least get to play in the best and most competitive league in the world, where they face the best international players in the world and are exposed to high-pressure situations consistently. PSL is a good product but interms of quality and competitiveness I wouldn't put it in the same category as IPL or SA20. The gulf between PSL and those two leagues is pretty significant.
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You are quite right, how do you think we can bridge this gap and ensure these players get the exposure to high-quality modern cricket?

The default answer on the forum seems to be these lads must play mroe Pakistan FC cricket, but i believe it is a recipe for disaster.
 
Rana said:
Saim Ayub won Pakistan an ODI series in Australia and South Africa 🤡
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They were good wins tbh albeit with 2 3 key players missing for Sa and Aus?

Regardless great wins. Think Pakistan favours and prefer odi. Their best format
 
DeadlyVenom said:
You are quite right, how do you think we can bridge this gap and ensure these players get the exposure to high-quality modern cricket?

The default answer on the forum seems to be these lads must play mroe Pakistan FC cricket, but i believe it is a recipe for disaster.
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A tours. And more franchise cricket overseas.
 
Savak said:
Everyone felt the same way when Saim Ayub showed initial spark in the PSL. Everyone can see what Saim Ayub has done under pressure against the best teams on the big stage against the Asia Cup, T20 WC.

Unless the quality of the foreign stock is elite and the domestic players significantly up skill themselves, psl performances need to be taken with a pinch of salt.
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Saim is out of nick at the moment, especially in T20’s, but did the sauces not pick up the return on our investment in him with the ODI’s, couldn’t the sauces identify in Saim you might have a suitable replacement for Fakhar Zaman in the future 🤡
 
kron said:
A tours. And more franchise cricket overseas.
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I'm an advocate of more franchise cricket overseas but these leagues dnt often exist to give a chance to youngsters of other countries. They will pick same names over and over.

PCB should try some a team pentangular type cups but they are strained financially. It's one of the reasons I have been saying we should trim down domestic FC to free up costs to pursue these options.

This may get mocked but I think we should arrange a t10 psl in another window in Pakistan too. T10 cricket isn't "real" cricket but can help develop pressure power hitting skills.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I'm an advocate of more franchise cricket overseas but these leagues dnt often exist to give a chance to youngsters of other countries. They will pick same names over and over.

PCB should try some a team pentangular type cups but they are strained financially. It's one of the reasons I have been saying we should trim down domestic FC to free up costs to pursue these options.

This may get mocked but I think we should arrange a t10 psl in another window in Pakistan too. T10 cricket isn't "real" cricket but can help develop pressure power hitting skills.
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Yea I am not sure about T10.

I would say develop test wickets. Make it bouncy and get players to hit through the line. Lots of cuts, pulls need to be developed. Bowlers will build skills and would inevitably want to bowl fast given they have pitches that are conducive to fast bowling. Batters will be forced to adapt and learn to play strokes.

And lots of A tours. As much as possible for young gen.

Yea and I agree about quadrangular or triangular series etc
 
cricketjoshila said:
Good, now repeat it in international cricket, but for that they need to be given chances, but will it happen?
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No, only Babar & Rizwan are entitled to keep playing after 6-7 tournament failures in a row, a fatwa on this has already been issued, and it is signed by Rizwan Molvi himself.
 
Pakistan's youngster cricketers are showing adaptability, what a great thing! Shamyl smashed a 50 off 41 balls today, and just the other day, he scored a blistering 50 in a 21 balls. Changing the course as the situation demands.

Then there's the curious case of Abrar, the all-rounder wonder. He blazed 9 runs off 3 balls at a strike rate of 300. Can turn into a good lower order hitter. Bowlers who can bat are always a luxury.
 
This is scary news for all other nations aiming to win the next T20 World Cup. With these modern-day youngsters, Pakistan should win the next T20 World Cup.
Congratulations in advance. :djb
 
DeadlyVenom said:
You are quite right, how do you think we can bridge this gap and ensure these players get the exposure to high-quality modern cricket?

The default answer on the forum seems to be these lads must play mroe Pakistan FC cricket, but i believe it is a recipe for disaster.
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I think Pakistani players need to be exposed to good leagues - SA20, Hundred...soon BBL and NZ20 will be on a similar wavelength when they get privatized. Playing low-level leagues like BPL, LPL (if it still exists), IL20, CPL is not the same.

First-class cricket is necessary for developing proper cricketers, but simply playing more first-class is not enough. There actually has to be some consistency interms of quality in the first-class system too. Pakistan's FC system format, as well as the pitches change dramatically every season. Which has had a major impact on Pakistan's red-ball cricket. Some seasons there are 14 teams and the pitches are insanely seam-friendly with matches ending in 3 days, other times there may be lesser teams and flat decks that don't give you results. There is no uniformity and nothing is allowed to settle. You can never develop proper cricketers in an environment like this. Despite it's drawbacks the 6 team regional team system under Wasim Khan was the best domestic structure that Pakistan had in recent history. There was a pathway to incorporate departments into that system but Najam Sethi and the vested interests were not interested in doing that. If things stay the way they are, Pakistan will continue being a mediocre cricketing nation.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
No you definitely have trouble reading. Best wishes on rectifying that.
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No trouble reading, I do sense you have trouble comprehending..

With agenda peddling fans such as yourself, no wonder Pakistan cricket is in its worst state ever - and your brilliant solution is to re-introduce a tried and tested failure for the umpteenth time, just because you have a soft spot for him..
 
usman.sandhu said:
No trouble reading, I do sense you have trouble comprehending..

With agenda peddling fans such as yourself, no wonder Pakistan cricket is in its worst state ever - and your brilliant solution is to re-introduce a tried and tested failure for the umpteenth time, just because you have a soft spot for him..
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I don't know what you gain by lying through your teeth and attributing things to me that I never said. And then you claim you don't have trouble reading. Please enroll in an English language class at your earliest convinience, I will be happy to foot the bill.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't know what you gain by lying through your teeth and attributing things to me that I never said. And then you claim you don't have trouble reading. Please enroll in an English language class at your earliest convinience, I will be happy to foot the bill.
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Some cold water might help douse some of your fumes.. my condolences on your IQ
 
you need to make the PSL more competitve, its gone from being the second best t20 league to a glorified faysal bank t20.

you need crowds to create pressure, home, away fans, etc, empty stadiums just dont do it. you need variance in conditions, you need to play in various staidums all over the country. you need much higher fielding and analytical standards. this comes down to the franchise owners, you cannot tolerate a fall in standards, this is their teams and they have paid for them, so why are the tolerating a lack of quality.

finally amount, you just need a bigger season, if your players arent going to get selected in forieng leagues then they have to play a tonne of cricket in their own leagues. usman tariq, sahibzada farhan, etc, are good examples of players who played lots of t20 in a fair condensed scheudle before betting pak call ups.

for other formats i believe PCB is severely limited in what they can do to improve standards, but for t20, the PSL gives you the core tools, you just need to finesse the product, alas given no appointment in the PCB is carried out on merit, i seriously doubt anyone has the ability to make the required changes.

you have to have youngsters playing 50 odd t20s before being considered for international selection, which means roughly 2 seasons given top players can play 20 odd t20s a year. its not a huge demand, for example a good season here should see yasir khan promoted to the international squad.
 
usman.sandhu said:
Some cold water might help douse some of your fumes.. my condolences on your IQ
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Yeah but sadly the cold water won't do anything for your eyes or your ability to understand basic English.

Send me the bill for the classes and the ophthalmologist while you're at it. As I said, I would be happy to help out someone in need.
 
Saim, Nafay, Maaz, Sameer, Shamyl, Hassan Nawaz - there's definitely enough to work with there to produce decent batsmen across formats

That young left arm unorthodox is also a very talented kid, along with Arafat Minhas.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I think Pakistani players need to be exposed to good leagues - SA20, Hundred...soon BBL and NZ20 will be on a similar wavelength when they get privatized. Playing low-level leagues like BPL, LPL (if it still exists), IL20, CPL is not the same.

First-class cricket is necessary for developing proper cricketers, but simply playing more first-class is not enough. There actually has to be some consistency interms of quality in the first-class system too. Pakistan's FC system format, as well as the pitches change dramatically every season. Which has had a major impact on Pakistan's red-ball cricket. Some seasons there are 14 teams and the pitches are insanely seam-friendly with matches ending in 3 days, other times there may be lesser teams and flat decks that don't give you results. There is no uniformity and nothing is allowed to settle. You can never develop proper cricketers in an environment like this. Despite it's drawbacks the 6 team regional team system under Wasim Khan was the best domestic structure that Pakistan had in recent history. There was a pathway to incorporate departments into that system but Najam Sethi and the vested interests were not interested in doing that. If things stay the way they are, Pakistan will continue being a mediocre cricketing nation.
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I feel both things are beyond our grasp - forgetting even the Indian issue, these leagues have such wide talent pools to choose from that a young Pakistani player is out of their grasp. Perhaps if they grow further and introduce a division 2 to these leagues then some players could get a chance.

I think FC is sadly a pipe dream too, it is too bloated and has too many people with vested interests poking their nose.

It is sad as we are becoming blockbuster in a netflix world, and year by year the gap is growing.
 
Finding test batsmen averaging 50 plus will be tough but finding players to play at decent strike rates in limited overs is always possible...... Not like the previous players have been anything amazing already a few younger players can play more quickly than them in domestic.
 
ElRaja said:
you need to make the PSL more competitve, its gone from being the second best t20 league to a glorified faysal bank t20.

you need crowds to create pressure, home, away fans, etc, empty stadiums just dont do it. you need variance in conditions, you need to play in various staidums all over the country. you need much higher fielding and analytical standards. this comes down to the franchise owners, you cannot tolerate a fall in standards, this is their teams and they have paid for them, so why are the tolerating a lack of quality.

finally amount, you just need a bigger season, if your players arent going to get selected in forieng leagues then they have to play a tonne of cricket in their own leagues. usman tariq, sahibzada farhan, etc, are good examples of players who played lots of t20 in a fair condensed scheudle before betting pak call ups.

for other formats i believe PCB is severely limited in what they can do to improve standards, but for t20, the PSL gives you the core tools, you just need to finesse the product, alas given no appointment in the PCB is carried out on merit, i seriously doubt anyone has the ability to make the required changes.

you have to have youngsters playing 50 odd t20s before being considered for international selection, which means roughly 2 seasons given top players can play 20 odd t20s a year. its not a huge demand, for example a good season here should see yasir khan promoted to the international squad.
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Agreed with PSL goinng into different venues and variance of conditions, but we are constrained by infrastructure and security.

Bigger season isn't possible as we wont get a window and overseas won't stay as long. Players do play some additional leagues, we play National T20 so players can play around 30+ matches but it is pretty poor standard.

The only ideas that come to my mind is adding a PSL T10 to try and get some additional cricketing action. Or launching an international T20 with perhaps Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, to be played once a year, with the top 2 teams of each league.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Agreed with PSL goinng into different venues and variance of conditions, but we are constrained by infrastructure and security.

Bigger season isn't possible as we wont get a window and overseas won't stay as long. Players do play some additional leagues, we play National T20 so players can play around 30+ matches but it is pretty poor standard.

The only ideas that come to my mind is adding a PSL T10 to try and get some additional cricketing action. Or launching an international T20 with perhaps Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, to be played once a year, with the top 2 teams of each league.
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infrastructure and security will be an on going concern for pak, it has been for 25 years now, unless you can provide security to host top class cricket you will struggle to create a top class league. you need the core of every team to be local.

PSL doesnt need a window per se, a lot of the top players dont stick around for a whole season anyway, just keep mirroring the IPL and expand to a double round robin, 14 league games per team. my own slightly wacky left field thinking would be to take the baseball model, and have a triple round robin format, and each 3 match constitues one series, and the team which wins the most series wins the league. no finals, no play offs, 21 games per season.

it would reward the most consistent teams which can work out oppostion teams and players weaknesses with the best fitness, which is exactly what happens at international level. it would also pitch the PSL as completely unique in the league universe.

whilst i like the idea of international t20s with SL and Bang, i think that would be far more useful on a A-team level, then a league level, where the teams could be full of players of which only a small amount have potential to be selected for pakistan. i think a triangular between bang, sl and pak over first class and t20 games would be a good idea, with a fourth inviational team every year.
 
ElRaja said:
infrastructure and security will be an on going concern for pak, it has been for 25 years now, unless you can provide security to host top class cricket you will struggle to create a top class league. you need the core of every team to be local.

PSL doesnt need a window per se, a lot of the top players dont stick around for a whole season anyway, just keep mirroring the IPL and expand to a double round robin, 14 league games per team. my own slightly wacky left field thinking would be to take the baseball model, and have a triple round robin format, and each 3 match constitues one series, and the team which wins the most series wins the league. no finals, no play offs, 21 games per season.

it would reward the most consistent teams which can work out oppostion teams and players weaknesses with the best fitness, which is exactly what happens at international level. it would also pitch the PSL as completely unique in the league universe.

whilst i like the idea of international t20s with SL and Bang, i think that would be far more useful on a A-team level, then a league level, where the teams could be full of players of which only a small amount have potential to be selected for pakistan. i think a triangular between bang, sl and pak over first class and t20 games would be a good idea, with a fourth inviational team every year.
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I don't think PSL being extended will be financially viable without overseas..perhaps they can do soemthing like England where they had the blast running and then the hundred as a separate tournament.

Anyway, it's quite depressing that we will all have ideas but you know the PCB is really just having internal meetings wondering how to get another department in and mess up QEA trophy.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I don't think PSL being extended will be financially viable without overseas..perhaps they can do soemthing like England where they had the blast running and then the hundred as a separate tournament.

Anyway, it's quite depressing that we will all have ideas but you know the PCB is really just having internal meetings wondering how to get another department in and mess up QEA trophy.
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are you telling me you do not see the value that ghani glass and sabir's poultry has brought to domestic cricket in pak?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Saim, Nafay, Maaz, Sameer, Shamyl, Hassan Nawaz - there's definitely enough to work with there to produce decent batsmen across formats

That young left arm unorthodox is also a very talented kid, along with Arafat Minhas.
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Hassan Nawaz is a really talented player. Some players you watch bat and you can immediately tell that they have something. But sometimes I feel like Pakistan does not know what to do with a player like that, and do not understand how to polish someone like him into a finished product. Alot of the blame lies on him too but I feel that in a country like India, Australia or New Zealand, a player like him would be given a blank check to go out there and play his natural game, and at the position where he had the biggest chance of making an impact.

All the best knocks he played for QG last season, he played at No. 4. Meanwhile, in all the matches he has played for Pakistan, he has either batted as opener or at No. 6. This is all the more frustrating when you see that Pakistan does not have a coherent middle-order in T20 cricket. Babar Azam was batting at No. 4 in the World Cup.

Meanwhile they are willfully ignoring the best No. 4 in the country by either not selecting him, or playing him out of position.
 
PSL is a sub-standard league - judging and pushing so called "talent" here is one of the key reasons for our decline in the past 5 years, tried and tested failures perform in this sub-standard league and cement their place in the National squad..

International cricket has easily exposed players like Hassan Nawaz, Nafay, Shamyl, let's not try to push them into the team before they can score heavily in domestic cricket, particularly in longer formats and in red ball cricket...
 
usman.sandhu said:
PSL is a sub-standard league - judging and pushing so called "talent" here is one of the key reasons for our decline in the past 5 years, tried and tested failures perform in this sub-standard league and cement their place in the National squad..

International cricket has easily exposed players like Hassan Nawaz, Nafay, Shamyl, let's not try to push them into the team before they can score heavily in domestic cricket, particularly in longer formats and in red ball cricket...
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But wait for blokes like @RedwoodOriginal to hype pure tullas.
 
usman.sandhu said:
PSL is a sub-standard league - judging and pushing so called "talent" here is one of the key reasons for our decline in the past 5 years, tried and tested failures perform in this sub-standard league and cement their place in the National squad..

International cricket has easily exposed players like Hassan Nawaz, Nafay, Shamyl, let's not try to push them into the team before they can score heavily in domestic cricket, particularly in longer formats and in red ball cricket...
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Who shall we push in to the team?
 
No talent can perform consistently at the international level for Pakistan right away. Every player needs time, often a long time, to settle and deliver.

Pakistan cricket does not have the kind of infrastructure or grassroots system that most SENA countries and India have. Our players do not enter international cricket as fully groomed products; instead, they develop and improve over time at that level.

Therefore, any new talent emerging from the PSL will require a significant amount of time to adjust and perform consistently for Pakistan.
 
Who are the world class bowlers in PSL apart from Zampa & Abrar ???

The pacers are there any ???

So the performance young batters should be viewed in reference to above mentioned.
 
Kianig89 said:
Who are the world class bowlers in PSL apart from Zampa & Abrar ???

The pacers are there any ???

So the performance young batters should be viewed in reference to above mentioned.
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Why does it matter to you? You don’t apply the same logic for 2 players who you argue are world class. We’ve seen your dumb posts where you claimed BBL welcomed Babar like Real Madrid welcomed David Beckham
 
For op
Recent acc performances by some of players also showed that
But they are not under the right system for this
 
Devadwal said:
Haven't watched Yasir khan so can't comment .

Kamarn Ghulam? Not a T20 but good player for ODI and test cricket .

Haris - perfect defination of grabage players. . watch enough to pass the judgement.

Abdul samad - recently watched against Bangladesh and he is nothing special same for shamyl hussain. .

:kp
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Kamran ghullam improved game a lot....also his technique is good
 
Devadwal said:
Haven't watched Yasir khan so can't comment .

Kamarn Ghulam? Not a T20 but good player for ODI and test cricket .

Haris - perfect defination of grabage players. . watch enough to pass the judgement.

Abdul samad - recently watched against Bangladesh and he is nothing special same for shamyl hussain. .

:kp
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You can't judge batsmen on bangladesh graveyards in odis.......
 
usman.sandhu said:
Mohammad Haris and Kamran Ghulam are not youngsters, they've played for Pakistan and failed. Shamyl Hussain was brutally exposed in the recently concluded ODI series in Bangladesh.

And not to forget, the youngsters are playing against our rotten core (failed international players);also not to forget that PSL has really low quality players as in-form international stars are playing in IPL.

Sorry to burst your bubble but these performances mean nothing...

PSL is a very ordinary league with sub-standard cricket unfortunately...
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There is hardly any great t20 fast bowlers around......... even ipl most teams have local unknown fast bowlers ....... now I days its game of mystery spinners
 
Kianig89 said:
Who are the world class bowlers in PSL apart from Zampa & Abrar ???

The pacers are there any ???

So the performance young batters should be viewed in reference to above mentioned.
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Pacers are at least not at 125 kph............
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Saim, Nafay, Maaz, Sameer, Shamyl, Hassan Nawaz - there's definitely enough to work with there to produce decent batsmen across formats

That young left arm unorthodox is also a very talented kid, along with Arafat Minhas.
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Hassan nawaz should have been given consistent chances instead of babar till 2026 t20 wc at no 4.........
 
Katwalindian said:
There is hardly any great t20 fast bowlers around......... even ipl most teams have local unknown fast bowlers ....... now I days its game of mystery spinners
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This means nothing, I agree that great fast bowlers are hard to come by, but this does not mean that we keep playing our pathetic pace attack over and over again while they keep getting smashed to all parts of the ground...

IPL bowlers are so much better than the crap we have in PSL..

And have you seen our International pace attack - SSA, Haris Rauf and Naseem Shah; a bunch of losers...
 
usman.sandhu said:
This means nothing, I agree that great fast bowlers are hard to come by, but this does not mean that we keep playing our pathetic pace attack over and over again while they keep getting smashed to all parts of the ground...

IPL bowlers are so much better than the crap we have in PSL..

And have you seen our International pace attack - SSA, Haris Rauf and Naseem Shah; a bunch of losers...
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Ipl is not even great...literally sandeep sharma, jaydev unadakat, vaibhav adorable are strike bowlers.......
 
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