PSL only hope for getting good fast bowlers and batsmen into the Pakistan team

[syedahsan]

PSL franchise being owned by private investors will find good players for their team to win the cup. Hoping to see stars born in this format. Domestic circuit is rusty and if by chance people perform they dont get picked for their years of hard work like Tabish khan,Sadaf hussein and many more like them.

I think the moment a PAK cricketer gets picked up in the team they start forming political connection with the ruling political party which helps them stay in the team irrespective of their perormance.Selectors are forced to select them for their personal likes or under pressure from imp political figure.Its not ONLY the selectors but the exisiting cricketer WHO blocks further entry of a new coming fast bowler or a batsman. That is why we wil never have pool of players as a replacement for every spot. Kamran akmal tried his best not to have any other wicket keeper come take his spot until Sarfarz performed. Kamran akmal still eyeing like a vulture on the performnace of safraraz waiting ffor him to fail almost like "you miss I hit".

 

[Varun]

If the PSL is anything like the IPL it'll only be a champion in producing the likes of Yousuf Pathan and propping up some WI cricketers.

Providing personnel for your test side? Not in your life!

 

[Slog]

If the PSL is anything like the IPL it'll only be a champion in producing the likes of Yousuf Pathan and propping up some WI cricketers.

Providing personnel for your test side? Not in your life!

ashwin is a product of ipl

 

[Varun]

ashwin is a product of ipl

No he's not. He has played 35 FC games and averaged 26.

 

[Xoib]

No he's not. He has played 35 FC games and averaged 26.

a lot of spinners average 26 in FC cricket in inida it was IPL where he was first noticed

 

[Varun]

a lot of spinners average 26 in FC cricket in inida it was IPL where he was first noticed

A lot of spinners such as who?

Contrary to popular belief, our spin stocks have nosedived over the last 10 - 15 years. You can make out from the reserves who pop into the team from time to time: Amit Mishra, Pragyan Ojha, Piyush Chawla and even Harbhajan Singh.

Basically after Ashwin + Jadeja it is a fairly steep drop.

 

[samiakh]

You have got to be kidding?? Look at the squads the number of pakistani players under the age of 30 is less than a dozen. Most of the top young domestic performers have not even been picked!

 

[Convict]

a lot of spinners average 26 in FC cricket in inida it was IPL where he was first noticed

Getting noticed in public doesn't mean anything.

From an Australian point of view take Billy Stanlake.

He is a fast bowling prospect we've been raving on about for a while now and he's now reached the point where he is playing professional cricket for Queensland and for Adelaide in the BBL.

In his BBL games this year he has really impressed.

He will play for Australia shortly but it would have happened if there wasn't a BBL

 

[Mamoon]

PSL won't help because we don't have quality players in domestic cricket. Through their talent hunts, PSL teams might unearth a gem who can be fast-tracked into the team, but that's a one-in-a-million chance.

It has been said a billion times, but as long as Pakistan does not overhaul its school cricket, club cricket and F/C cricket, a T20 competition will not help and the gap between Pakistan and the other teams will continue to widen.

 

[JibranAnsari]

lol , psl cant produce cricketers for us and that too for the longest format.

Pakistan needs to improve the standards of their premier fc tournament.Improve the pitches , improve the ground conditions and improve the umpiring standars. Look at how limited has the role of spinners become in our domestic cricket.

since most days can only give us 70 overs , the 4 day games need to be extended to 5 days games. There are no fast track solution for out misery , we need to overhaul the domestic system.

 

[LordJames]

PSL can help Pakistan Cricket in many ways:

1. PSL profits should be heavily invested into Domestic Cricket to raise standards of pitches, diet, coaching, umpiring etc.
2. PSL can help expose Players to larger crowds and help play under Pressure since Domestics matches are empty in Pakistan
3. PSL can help players polish their chasing skills, set targets and chase
4. PSL is broadcast so players can show case their skills and announce themselves
5. PSL Talent Hunt has the potential to unearth new Talent
6. PSL can provide Financial Security to Domestic Players

But it is critical that PSL is used in the right manner to strengthen Domestic Cricket (Club Cricket onwards and upwards)

 

[kingusama92]

PSL can help Pakistan Cricket in many ways:

1. PSL profits should be heavily invested into Domestic Cricket to raise standards of pitches, diet, coaching, umpiring etc.
2. PSL can help expose Players to larger crowds and help play under Pressure since Domestics matches are empty in Pakistan
3. PSL can help players polish their chasing skills, set targets and chase
4. PSL is broadcast so players can show case their skills and announce themselves
5. PSL Talent Hunt has the potential to unearth new Talent
6. PSL can provide Financial Security to Domestic Players

But it is critical that PSL is used in the right manner to strengthen Domestic Cricket (Club Cricket onwards and upwards)

Spot on.

PSL can have an indirect impact on Pakistani cricket.

As for tangible impact where players are produced. It might be able to unearth a few players for the T20I team at best.

 

[Shafi]

Spot on.

PSL can have an indirect impact on Pakistani cricket.

As for tangible impact where players are produced. It might be able to unearth a few players for the T20I team at best.

PSL will be useless as long same old seniors keep playing instead of young players.

 

[Shafi]

Spot on.

PSL can have an indirect impact on Pakistani cricket.

As for tangible impact where players are produced. It might be able to unearth a few players for the T20I team at best.

PSL will be useless as long same old seniors keep playing instead of young players.

 

[Syed1]

No he's not. He has played 35 FC games and averaged 26.

He came in the limelight because of IPL, otherwise he would have been toiling away in domestics for a lot longer.

 

[Syed1]

The cricketers that we found after first season of PSL

1. Sharjeel
2. Nawaz
3. Hassan
4. Asghar


I'm hopeful that in a few years we will be able to unearth some more good cricketers.

 

[shortbread]

T20 league cricket is not the right way to pick players.

One of the prime issues with the present lot of cricketers is the lack of fitness and durability for the 5 day game.

The likes of Mohd Irfan and Asif will look spectacular in 4 over spells?! Then what...We'll end up with more Sohail Khan's.

PCB needs to develop a good touring season for the Pak A team. Not a one off tour here and there, but consistent cricket throughout the year. While touring improve their fitness, fielding standards, fix their technical flaws etc..

All major sides are doing this eg. Flower for England, Dravid for India etc..

A second group of 15 players who tour regularly, the likes of weaker teams like Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Ireland etc....develop them for the rigours of international cricket outside home conditions.

Then the true stars will shine through.

 

[JaDed]

Getting noticed in public doesn't mean anything.

From an Australian point of view take Billy Stanlake.

He is a fast bowling prospect we've been raving on about for a while now and he's now reached the point where he is playing professional cricket for Queensland and for Adelaide in the BBL.

In his BBL games this year he has really impressed.

He will play for Australia shortly but it would have happened if there wasn't a BBL

Seen some Aussie players after a good IPL season making into the Aus national team,not sure why is that.

 

[Speedster777]

PSL will definitely help to find better players. It is a great initiative and way forward for our cricket.

 

[JaDed]

A lot of spinners such as who?

Contrary to popular belief, our spin stocks have nosedived over the last 10 - 15 years. You can make out from the reserves who pop into the team from time to time: Amit Mishra, Pragyan Ojha, Piyush Chawla and even Harbhajan Singh.

Basically after Ashwin + Jadeja it is a fairly steep drop.

Kuldeep Yadav the most hyped Indian domestic bowler,not to forget Jayant Yadav who made it through might not be impressive as much right now but can develop.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Pakistan lack talent in the Waqar, Wasim, Imran, Shoaib, Inzy etc. league. That kind of special talent will come up regardless of how useless the domestic cricket structure is.

Contrary to popular believes there is no talent in Pakistan.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

PSL is not played by :

1. Sadaf Hussain

2. Mohammad Abass

3. Tabish Khan

4. Ahmed Jamal

5. Atif Jabbar

6. Altaf Ahmed Khan

7. Mohammad Irfan jnr

8. Mohammad Zahid jnr

9. Majid Ali

10. Nasir Awais

11. Junaid Ilyas

12. Kamran Ghulam

13. Ahsan Ali

14. Saud Shakeel

15. Saad Ali

16. Usman Salahuddin

17. Mohammad Waqas Snr



I don't know barring 2-3 PSL youngsters how PSL is a hope for Pakistan Test or Odi Team.

 

[Speedster777]

PSL is not played by :

1. Sadaf Hussain

2. Mohammad Abass

3. Tabish Khan

4. Ahmed Jamal

5. Atif Jabbar

6. Altaf Ahmed Khan

7. Mohammad Irfan jnr

8. Mohammad Zahid jnr

9. Majid Ali

10. Nasir Awais

11. Junaid Ilyas

12. Kamran Ghulam

13. Ahsan Ali

14. Saud Shakeel

15. Saad Ali

16. Usman Salahuddin

17. Mohammad Waqas Snr



I don't know barring 2-3 PSL youngsters how PSL is a hope for Pakistan Test or Odi Team.

I thought they were all playing in the next edition. If these guys are not going to play then PSL is totally useless. It seems to be a money minting tournament for all the has beens akmals, wahabs and shehzads.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

PSL definitely gonna help because of the money , many players who don't show up on national/pcb different trials are showing up in PSL trials and as a result we found 2/3 bowlers capable of bowling 145ks where as previously in Ufone pace competition the highest speed clocked was 144k and that too by an already known domestic fast bowler , its a known fact people will go after money.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I thought they were all playing in the next edition. If these guys are not going to play then PSL is totally useless. It seems to be a money minting tournament for all the has beens akmals, wahabs and shehzads.

PSL generates money for PCB which can be used for uplifting domestic Cricket and give domestic players pay/match fee rise.

It also gives " some good youngsters " to learn from seniors aswell as foreign players and improve their game. Plus exposure infront of packed stadiums and televised matches.

Indirectly it benefits Pakistan Cricket.


I just said that it won't directly give us fast bowlers and batsmen for Odi's and Tests plus top Fc performers are absent.

 

[MMHS]

PSL's only contribution to PAK cricket can be is by being a money making machine - PCB can sell cheap entertainment at premium & reinvest that money in domestic cricket which BCCI has done & BCB is going through the process. Don't think, without BPL money, appointing pro coaching set-up, Central contract for 100+ FC cricketers, Regional academy in 8 Zonal HQs, pro coaching set-up for 8 FC teams, National Cricket Academy, dedicated Stadium for FC teams ...... would have been possible. If it comes to this level that PAK 'll depend 10-12 matches of 3 hours duration to find & nurture it's cricket talent, then Lord save PAK Cricket - good luck; it'll be fun to watch my country* to beat PAK in "ICC events".

Regarding Ashwin - he is 31 now, started playing cricket 15-16 years back, his IPL career started about 5/6 years back, when he was in his 4/5th year of FC Cricket. Only a fool will think that he learned his game in IPL. In fact, I believe opposite - he came to IPL as a complete cricketer, with his fundamental game skills developed from FC system; IPL only made him more professional in terms of his fitness, his approach o the game, his intelligence on cricket, his awareness on different condition, different players. BUT, had he started his career 5 years later, I can guarantee that Ashwin won't be half the player he is now - show me one Indian spinner U25 that's IPL PROUDUCT, who can remotely replace Ashwin or even Mishra.


*PS: I'll be a Canadian in 2018 ....................

 

[Convict]

Seen some Aussie players after a good IPL season making into the Aus national team,not sure why is that.

Because players who have finally made the break in domestic cricket and perform are the ones likely to get picked up for IPL contracts (and the IPL has a lot of Australian coaches and assistant coaches)

 

[Ellipsism]

PSL is not played by :

1. Sadaf Hussain

2. Mohammad Abass

3. Tabish Khan

4. Ahmed Jamal

5. Atif Jabbar

6. Altaf Ahmed Khan

7. Mohammad Irfan jnr

8. Mohammad Zahid jnr

9. Majid Ali

10. Nasir Awais

11. Junaid Ilyas

12. Kamran Ghulam

13. Ahsan Ali

14. Saud Shakeel

15. Saad Ali

16. Usman Salahuddin

17. Mohammad Waqas Snr



I don't know barring 2-3 PSL youngsters how PSL is a hope for Pakistan Test or Odi Team.

Mohammad Irfan is with Lahore Qalandars...

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Mohammad Irfan is with Lahore Qalandars...

Main Squad ? That's encouraging.

Btw his Fc & List A performances have dipped since he has returned from Australia.

 

[Ellipsism]

Main Squad ? That's encouraging.

Btw his Fc & List A performances have dipped since he has returned from Australia.

He's a supplementary player I believe.

He's currently to erratic to play for Pakistan, but if he manages to get a contract with Sydney Thunder next year it will do him a world of good.

 

[Saj]

What will improve the quality of Pakistani cricketers is not a 20 over crash bang wallop tournament.

What's needed is a robust First-Class structure, good quality pitches, players being coached properly in domestic cricket and good quality cricket balls being used.

 

[AlphaFighter]

What will improve the quality of Pakistani cricketers is not a 20 over crash bang wallop tournament.

What's needed is a robust First-Class structure, good quality pitches, players being coached properly in domestic cricket and good quality cricket balls being used.

IPL can be credited for improvements in Indian's T-20 and ODI play.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

What will improve the quality of Pakistani cricketers is not a 20 over crash bang wallop tournament.

What's needed is a robust First-Class structure, good quality pitches, players being coached properly in domestic cricket and good quality cricket balls being used.

Costs and corruption to high to fix entire domestic structure. Just the nature of the beast.

What PCB can do is emulate Bahria Town project.

So create 8 teams and let them only play on proper surfaces, good coaching and facilities and good pay. Can be Division 1 of FC cricket. Even start with a smaller number of teams.

Just an elite of an elite group of FC teams with high quality cricket played on high quality surfaces. Even if PCB can make international grade pitches in Karachi, Lahore and Multan that would be good enough. Just work the players on those. Use the stats from this division as a parameter for getting international matches.

PCB said a number of times they will reform domestic cricket but all they have done is make new teams and play in the same rubbish pitches and with bad unknown coaches. Where is money to fix stadiums, pitches and reform of FC cricket?

 

[AlphaFighter]

Costs and corruption to high to fix entire domestic structure. Just the nature of the beast.

What PCB can do is emulate Bahria Town project.

So create 8 teams and let them only play on proper surfaces, good coaching and facilities and good pay. Can be Division 1 of FC cricket. Even start with a smaller number of teams.

Just an elite of an elite group of FC teams with high quality cricket played on high quality surfaces. Even if PCB can make international grade pitches in Karachi, Lahore and Multan that would be good enough. Just work the players on those. Use the stats from this division as a parameter for getting international matches.

PCB said a number of times they will reform domestic cricket but all they have done is make new teams and play in the same rubbish pitches and with bad unknown coaches. Where is money to fix stadiums, pitches and reform of FC cricket?

Sethi in an interview said the local groundsman, staff are just basic Mali's at best. They are too outdated and have no idea, concept on how to create sporting wickets. The best solution would be to invite foreign curators to Pakistan who could come in and train the local groundsmen properly on how to do it and mentor them.

However because of the security situation in Pakistan, no foreign curator is ready to come to Pakistan. And A workshop, seminar for a few days achieves nothing.

 

[Speedster777]

PSL generates money for PCB which can be used for uplifting domestic Cricket and give domestic players pay/match fee rise.

Only if that money is actually spent on domestic cricket and not pocketed by corrupt officials themselves.

 

[Bewal Express]

What will improve the quality of Pakistani cricketers is not a 20 over crash bang wallop tournament.

What's needed is a robust First-Class structure, good quality pitches, players being coached properly in domestic cricket and good quality cricket balls being used.

Have 7 teams for the provinces ( 2 each from Punjab and Sindh) and one each from KP, Baluch and Federal areas. Each to have a balanced squad of 15, each squad to 3 categories of contract like in the PSl. All the selections to be made by the national selectors.The PCB to appoint the management and crucially all matches to be played in the South between November and February. Play 12 matches a season and those not involved, play regional cricket as before to be eligible in case of injuries.

 

[LordJames]

Sethi in an interview said the local groundsman, staff are just basic Mali's at best. They are too outdated and have no idea, concept on how to create sporting wickets. The best solution would be to invite foreign curators to Pakistan who could come in and train the local groundsmen properly on how to do it and mentor them.

However because of the security situation in Pakistan, no foreign curator is ready to come to Pakistan. And A workshop, seminar for a few days achieves nothing.

Ridiculous!

England is not the only foreign country in the world. You can easily get South Africans, Indians, Sri Lankans or even ICC (Dubai based) Curators to come to Pakistan

If that fails, send a delegation to South Africa and let them learn.

Tons of Paksitanees visit overseas so why can't curators be sent to South Africa or any other University for soil sampling and training.

Lastly, Pakistan is an Agricultural country and I REFUSE to believe Pakistani Graduates don't know much about Soil characteristics.

Get Universities like LUMS or Faisalabad Agricultural University graduates involved.

How do these PCB people think Loughborugh works?