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You know it’s great to see PSL back in Pakistan. Kudos to Sethi for laying the foundations and for Wasim to sign it off smoothly.

However, many many fans are theming that to highlight the success of the league and ignoring the main initial objective of PSL; which was to give exposure to young emerging players, rookies or players who have been ignored at National level despite consistently performing at domestic level.

Instead, PSL has become far too commercialized. You can see that many players 30+/35+ have earned a place in the side due to good working relations with the franchise shareholders/management. You still have the likes of Irfan at age 37 and Afridi age 39 starting every match. We are in 2020, yet at times I feel I’m watching a charity match or a game from 2007.

PCB management, Wasim Khan or someone who deals with Policy within PSL needs to step up. We need to add rules that allow us to get excited. Excitement can be implementing rules such as:

- Must have 2-3 emerging players in the playing 11.
- Policy regarding age.
- Every Foreign batsman in the top 4-5 must bat alongside a Pakistani players/ 3 Pakistani batsman must be in the top 3 batting order.
- At least 2 emerging players must have played x amount of games before play offs.

I don’t know but compulsory game rules will ensure emerging/regional local players are given a chance/exposure. It will also allow the likes of Zeeshan opening the game & Islamabad not sending 4 Foreign players to open the batting.

PSL should focus on promoting their players, young blood etc. That is suppose to be the core with Foreign players “supporting” them in the side. At the moment, PSL is depending on pensioners who are past their peak. PSL for many years has become a retirement place for many players.

This is one aspect of the PSL that must be improved otherwise slowly the excitement and thrill to see a youngster will become a myth.
 
Firstly, Wasim Khan deserves no credit for PSL. Some people don’t want to admit it, but all the credit for PSL goes to Sethi and not the UK import.

Secondly, Pakistan cricket is the poster of mediocrity and we have to accept that constraints within which PSL is operating.

It is a very average league with a very average pool of players playing in archaic looking stadiums, but it cannot be any better considering the status of Pakistan cricket today.

We cannot compete with IPL and soon The Hundred because we are not an elite cricket nation anymore.

As far as giving relevance to dead cricketers like Sammy and Ronchi is concerned, as long as PSL is scheduled right before the IPL and does not have a dedicated window (which it doesn’t deserve), it will be very difficult to attract most of the top players in the world.

When it comes to promoting local talent, well there is a talent crisis in Pakistan and 99% of the players coming through are garbage. That is why we are an embarrassingly mediocre cricket team at the moment.

Afridi’s official age may be 39, but he is actually close to the 50 mark and he is still holding his own against the so-called young talent. That sums up the quality and caliber of young talent coming through.
 
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Dude the whole point of t20 was to create a sustainable platform for even older players to make money.

t20 is a perfect income stream that doesn't put too much stress on the body unlike test cricket.

I am delighted to see older players get compensated well. t10 and t20 is perfect for quick bucks and you can have a rather long career playing t20.

Only the truly best at their absolute prime can be successful in test cricket.
 
Unless our so called domestic greats can not play in counties and perform well, should not be considered for National selection.We pick them up based on the easy runs they score in Pakistan/UAE against 10th string bowling, against 100000th down-levelled fielding; and we know the outcome. They have never improved, because system has not improved itself. Same old rot for 5 decades..
 
I would rather have some domestic players from England, Australia than having Sammy, Ronchi as foreign players.
 
You know it’s great to see PSL back in Pakistan. Kudos to Sethi for laying the foundations and for Wasim to sign it off smoothly.

However, many many fans are theming that to highlight the success of the league and ignoring the main initial objective of PSL; which was to give exposure to young emerging players, rookies or players who have been ignored at National level despite consistently performing at domestic level.

Instead, PSL has become far too commercialized. You can see that many players 30+/35+ have earned a place in the side due to good working relations with the franchise shareholders/management. You still have the likes of Irfan at age 37 and Afridi age 39 starting every match. We are in 2020, yet at times I feel I’m watching a charity match or a game from 2007.

PCB management, Wasim Khan or someone who deals with Policy within PSL needs to step up. We need to add rules that allow us to get excited. Excitement can be implementing rules such as:

- Must have 2-3 emerging players in the playing 11.
- Policy regarding age.
- Every Foreign batsman in the top 4-5 must bat alongside a Pakistani players/ 3 Pakistani batsman must be in the top 3 batting order.
- At least 2 emerging players must have played x amount of games before play offs.

I don’t know but compulsory game rules will ensure emerging/regional local players are given a chance/exposure. It will also allow the likes of Zeeshan opening the game & Islamabad not sending 4 Foreign players to open the batting.

PSL should focus on promoting their players, young blood etc. That is suppose to be the core with Foreign players “supporting” them in the side. At the moment, PSL is depending on pensioners who are past their peak. PSL for many years has become a retirement place for many players.

This is one aspect of the PSL that must be improved otherwise slowly the excitement and thrill to see a youngster will become a myth.

Oh boy
Your analysis is Called Selective Perception because of All they hype around luxurious IPL you Forget that They Play Old players just like us
Lets Look at IPL Squads

1. CSK
MS Dhoni , Ambati Rayudu , Harbhjan Singh , Suresh Raina ,

2. Dehli Capitals
Mohit Sharma (TTF) ,Amit Mishra

Some other Oldies in the Squads
Robin Uthapa , Dinish Karthik

And in Recent years Ghambir, Yuvraj Singh and Other Oldies Played in IPL so I don't know why Yiu Guys Are So Worried its only 5th PSL Ans Oldies will want to make some money befire they say goodbye . Yuvraj Singh Irfan Pathan retired From all cricket last year
Pretty sure this is last PSL for Lot of oldies for us too so Dont worry
 
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You know it’s great to see PSL back in Pakistan. Kudos to Sethi for laying the foundations and for Wasim to sign it off smoothly.

However, many many fans are theming that to highlight the success of the league and ignoring the main initial objective of PSL; which was to give exposure to young emerging players, rookies or players who have been ignored at National level despite consistently performing at domestic level.

Instead, PSL has become far too commercialized. You can see that many players 30+/35+ have earned a place in the side due to good working relations with the franchise shareholders/management. You still have the likes of Irfan at age 37 and Afridi age 39 starting every match. We are in 2020, yet at times I feel I’m watching a charity match or a game from 2007.

PCB management, Wasim Khan or someone who deals with Policy within PSL needs to step up. We need to add rules that allow us to get excited. Excitement can be implementing rules such as:

- Must have 2-3 emerging players in the playing 11.
- Policy regarding age.
- Every Foreign batsman in the top 4-5 must bat alongside a Pakistani players/ 3 Pakistani batsman must be in the top 3 batting order.
- At least 2 emerging players must have played x amount of games before play offs.

I don’t know but compulsory game rules will ensure emerging/regional local players are given a chance/exposure. It will also allow the likes of Zeeshan opening the game & Islamabad not sending 4 Foreign players to open the batting.

PSL should focus on promoting their players, young blood etc. That is suppose to be the core with Foreign players “supporting” them in the side. At the moment, PSL is depending on pensioners who are past their peak. PSL for many years has become a retirement place for many players.

This is one aspect of the PSL that must be improved otherwise slowly the excitement and thrill to see a youngster will become a myth.

Fun fact
KKR has A 48 year old in their squad
 
Firstly, Wasim Khan deserves no credit for PSL. Some people don’t want to admit it, but all the credit for PSL goes to Sethi and not the UK import.

Secondly, Pakistan cricket is the poster of mediocrity and we have to accept that constraints within which PSL is operating.

It is a very average league with a very average pool of players playing in archaic looking stadiums, but it cannot be any better considering the status of Pakistan cricket today.

We cannot compete with IPL and soon The Hundred because we are not an elite cricket nation anymore.

As far as giving relevance to dead cricketers like Sammy and Ronchi is concerned, as long as PSL is scheduled right before the IPL and does not have a dedicated window (which it doesn’t deserve), it will be very difficult to attract most of the top players in the world.

When it comes to promoting local talent, well there is a talent crisis in Pakistan and 99% of the players coming through are garbage. That is why we are an embarrassingly mediocre cricket team at the moment.

Afridi’s official age may be 39, but he is actually close to the 50 mark and he is still holding his own against the so-called young talent. That sums up the quality and caliber of young talent coming through.

I told you before u need to see a Psychiatrists to Sort out your sense of inferiority If you are This much ashamed to be a Pakistani
England cashed out on Sub continent and Australia being completely independent Became rich they don't have lot of issues that we are facing Security Wise
Indian Cashed out on IPL Otherwise their Grounds were Same As Pakistan Its no Science
We didn't have premium cricket whatsoever in our country for a Decade what do you think how will Corrupt PCB could have gotten revenue for new stadiums when the They had to organise matches in UAE with No ICC event no Leagues ?
BCCI is as much corrupt as PCB but they have money bcz of IPL and Some of Indian states Generate quite a revenue to afford Expensive Grounds unlike Pakistan.
What Pakistan Can do is To follow SA When it comes to Grounds and pretty sure thats what they are going to do but its going to take time .
Talent depends in hard work . talent itself is Non existent but Its hard work that defines talent .
Take a look at Shaw,Jaswal,Gill they started at junior level and are Hard working
We are not short of talent but Definitely short of Hardworking guys
Your assessments are often just to bash Pakistan without any other motive .
 
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However, many many fans are theming that to highlight the success of the league and ignoring the main initial objective of PSL; which was to give exposure to young emerging players, rookies or players who have been ignored at National level despite consistently performing at domestic level.

Yeah....no it's not. The whole point is $$$.


It will also allow the likes of Zeeshan opening the game & Islamabad not sending 4 Foreign players to open the batting.

Again with this myth?

Islamabad has batted 4 times.

The top 4 has been international players ONCE out of 4 matches.


PSL should focus on promoting their players, young blood etc. That is suppose to be the core with Foreign players “supporting” them in the side. At the moment, PSL is depending on pensioners who are past their peak. PSL for many years has become a retirement place for many players.

Those "Pensioners" are driving in the $$$ that allow the PSL to exist. Why don't the advertisers and broadcasters do the same for the young blood in the National T20 Cup?
 
Firstly, Wasim Khan deserves no credit for PSL. Some people don’t want to admit it, but all the credit for PSL goes to Sethi and not the UK import.

Secondly, Pakistan cricket is the poster of mediocrity and we have to accept that constraints within which PSL is operating.

It is a very average league with a very average pool of players playing in archaic looking stadiums, but it cannot be any better considering the status of Pakistan cricket today.

We cannot compete with IPL and soon The Hundred because we are not an elite cricket nation anymore.

As far as giving relevance to dead cricketers like Sammy and Ronchi is concerned, as long as PSL is scheduled right before the IPL and does not have a dedicated window (which it doesn’t deserve), it will be very difficult to attract most of the top players in the world.

When it comes to promoting local talent, well there is a talent crisis in Pakistan and 99% of the players coming through are garbage. That is why we are an embarrassingly mediocre cricket team at the moment.

Afridi’s official age may be 39, but he is actually close to the 50 mark and he is still holding his own against the so-called young talent. That sums up the quality and caliber of young talent coming through.

Spot on Mamoon, we are doomed as a cricketing country. We can't even compete with IPL ever. This is such a bad league I agree. You're always spot on.
 
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]
will you plz change the title of this thread, we have no problem with Op opinion, but calling a super league as pensioners is bit over reaction.
 
Why are you people so negative? Why do we always have to compare to other leagues i.e. IPL?

PSL is a very special league on its own and I am glad that PCB\Pakistan were able to surpass the hurdles along the way make this dream a reality.
 
Irfan, Afridi, Sammy, Ronchi, Tanvir, Walton, Wiese, Vilas, Dunk. What are these guys doing in this league?
 
Some of the pensioners are doing well - Watson, Imran Tahir, Sohail Tanvir.
 
sohail tanvir is one of the better t20 club players in the world, if pak players weren't banned from the ipl i imagine some of these pensioners would be there too.
 
sohail tanvir is one of the better t20 club players in the world, if pak players weren't banned from the ipl i imagine some of these pensioners would be there too.

I don't think Sammy, Walton, Vilas, Wiese etc would get into IPL now.
 
Thank you Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani!!
It’s been a brilliant PSL so far!
 
Ben dunk was pure useless even in the BBL

The D in the name should be replaced with a J
 
Oh boy
Your analysis is Called Selective Perception because of All they hype around luxurious IPL you Forget that They Play Old players just like us
Lets Look at IPL Squads

1. CSK
MS Dhoni , Ambati Rayudu , Harbhjan Singh , Suresh Raina ,

2. Dehli Capitals
Mohit Sharma (TTF) ,Amit Mishra

Some other Oldies in the Squads
Robin Uthapa , Dinish Karthik

And in Recent years Ghambir, Yuvraj Singh and Other Oldies Played in IPL so I don't know why Yiu Guys Are So Worried its only 5th PSL Ans Oldies will want to make some money befire they say goodbye . Yuvraj Singh Irfan Pathan retired From all cricket last year
Pretty sure this is last PSL for Lot of oldies for us too so Dont worry
Pravin Tambe at 48 being bought by kkr in the recent auction. Well I have heard that he has been disqualified as he played in the T10 league
 
The main focus of the PSL and other franchise T20 leagues is NOT to promote young talent.

It's a part of it, but it's not the main focus.
 
The main focus of the PSL and other franchise T20 leagues is NOT to promote young talent.

It's a part of it, but it's not the main focus.

It’s all about hedging your bet on household names. Babar only got one game in PSL before he became a household name playing for Pakistan. It was only then that Babar got picked by KK and got regular game time. In other words, if you are an outstanding young talent (batting) you are more likely to play regularly for Pakistan first and for a PSL franchise later.
 
To the OP, all these leagues / franchise cricket tourneys including the IPL are in a way money spinning leagues, they don't really care for development of cricket, you will get lip service but don't expect them to help Pak cricketers....

These leagues are for entertainment and you should just watch it for fun. A lot of Bollywood movies were advertised like, " Dimag ghar pe rakh kar movie dekhne aao"... These franchies fall in that category... So don't begrudge a Afridi six, enjoy and move on
 
I really don't want to get another PSL rant but there are far too many journeymen cricketers and cricketers well past their prime participating in this league that's supposedly second only to PSL according to some.

The lack of quality young Pakistani batsmen, Babar and Haider aside, is seriously concerning as are the composition of the sides where foreigners tend to take up the crucial batting spots.

Now some will argue "PSL is about making money not producing young talent" - but it's the franchises THEMSELVES that bang on about how they want to create new stars for the Pakistan national team.

Also the franchises aren't doing a good job of making money either if you look at the financial reports. They were begging PCB for financial relief before this edition. Maybe though things will change after this PSL which is entirely staged in Pakistan.

The only positive for me is that the PSL is contributing towards the return of international cricket to Pakistan.
 
Firstly, Wasim Khan deserves no credit for PSL. Some people don’t want to admit it, but all the credit for PSL goes to Sethi and not the UK import.

Secondly, Pakistan cricket is the poster of mediocrity and we have to accept that constraints within which PSL is operating.

It is a very average league with a very average pool of players playing in archaic looking stadiums, but it cannot be any better considering the status of Pakistan cricket today.

We cannot compete with IPL and soon The Hundred because we are not an elite cricket nation anymore.

As far as giving relevance to dead cricketers like Sammy and Ronchi is concerned, as long as PSL is scheduled right before the IPL and does not have a dedicated window (which it doesn’t deserve), it will be very difficult to attract most of the top players in the world.

When it comes to promoting local talent, well there is a talent crisis in Pakistan and 99% of the players coming through are garbage. That is why we are an embarrassingly mediocre cricket team at the moment.

Afridi’s official age may be 39, but he is actually close to the 50 mark and he is still holding his own against the so-called young talent. That sums up the quality and caliber of young talent coming through.

Summary: "I love Sethi, hate Wasim Khan. PSL is one of the worst leagues in the world with has been cricketers. Pakistan has no talent. "
 
I don't care if Youngsters play or not but the whole objective should be to make it more competitive. I feel the league is plagued with too much bhai chara. So many people sitting on the benches who don't need to be there, e.g, Salman Butt, Saeed Ajmal, Abdul Razzaq, seriously why are the franchises even paying these people, what exactly is their role? Watching these people on the side lines turns me away and makes me believe no one is serious about playing competitive cricket, so why should I waste my time to watch PSL when the franchises are just looking at it as a group party?
 
Wahab Riaz = 34, Yasir Shah = 33.... Do they need to be in PSL?
 
there are other development leagues to help establish youngsters

PSL needs to be profitable to continue, and to be profitable they need to have big names like the ones you mentioned. People want to watch Afridi, Malik, Kamran, Wahab, etc. Nobody want to wants to watch a team filled with unknown commodities

As long as there are some younger players sprinkled in, we're fine. And that the case right now. Don't need more than 1-2 emerging players per team
 
Firstly, Wasim Khan deserves no credit for PSL. Some people don’t want to admit it, but all the credit for PSL goes to Sethi and not the UK import.

Secondly, Pakistan cricket is the poster of mediocrity and we have to accept that constraints within which PSL is operating.

It is a very average league with a very average pool of players playing in archaic looking stadiums, but it cannot be any better considering the status of Pakistan cricket today.

We cannot compete with IPL and soon The Hundred because we are not an elite cricket nation anymore.

As far as giving relevance to dead cricketers like Sammy and Ronchi is concerned, as long as PSL is scheduled right before the IPL and does not have a dedicated window (which it doesn’t deserve), it will be very difficult to attract most of the top players in the world.

When it comes to promoting local talent, well there is a talent crisis in Pakistan and 99% of the players coming through are garbage. That is why we are an embarrassingly mediocre cricket team at the moment.

Afridi’s official age may be 39, but he is actually close to the 50 mark and he is still holding his own against the so-called young talent. That sums up the quality and caliber of young talent coming through.

this kids inferiority complex is off the charts
 
Firstly, Wasim Khan deserves no credit for PSL. Some people don’t want to admit it, but all the credit for PSL goes to Sethi and not the UK import.

Secondly, Pakistan cricket is the poster of mediocrity and we have to accept that constraints within which PSL is operating.

It is a very average league with a very average pool of players playing in archaic looking stadiums, but it cannot be any better considering the status of Pakistan cricket today.

We cannot compete with IPL and soon The Hundred because we are not an elite cricket nation anymore.

As far as giving relevance to dead cricketers like Sammy and Ronchi is concerned, as long as PSL is scheduled right before the IPL and does not have a dedicated window (which it doesn’t deserve), it will be very difficult to attract most of the top players in the world.

When it comes to promoting local talent, well there is a talent crisis in Pakistan and 99% of the players coming through are garbage. That is why we are an embarrassingly mediocre cricket team at the moment.

Afridi’s official age may be 39, but he is actually close to the 50 mark and he is still holding his own against the so-called young talent. That sums up the quality and caliber of young talent coming through.

This is an incredibly moronic and short sighted post. I'm baffled as to how the poster got to these conclusions. It's dangerously ignorant to make some of the assertions in this post.

I will say one thing. If anyone in PSL is trying to compete with IPL they lack business sense because that would be a very very stupid thing to aim for. So I have no idea why you would even bring that up.

PSL is its own brand which has only started in Pakistan. It needs to be built slowly and carefully with each edition being better than the last. That is evident. Once players slowly come to Pakistan and more commercialization of the league happens then the PSL can grow. But if you're expecting it to be as big as a league that has been around for close to 15 years then that's on you. No one with a rational mind would be aiming for that .
 
Agree with you. A 38 years old bowling to a 39 years old has become a regular occurence.
 
I don’t understand why PSL has to be compared with IPL by the usual suspect posters.

IPL started many years before PSL and the finances in IPL at a different level and PSL is also hampered by security issues and only coz of this you miss out on some big foreign names.

And when people praise IPL so much I just checked the squads of IPL teams and I am not that impressed. They have Gayle, Pollard, Russel, Watson, Steyn etc, pretty much same players who play in every league.

From the foreign players you have Buttler, Maxwell, Morgan and Finch you probably would have wanted in PSL.

And some foreign players have praised the bowling in PSL.

So let IPL be IPL and just enjoy your own league.
 
Firstly, Wasim Khan deserves no credit for PSL. Some people don’t want to admit it, but all the credit for PSL goes to Sethi and not the UK import.

Secondly, Pakistan cricket is the poster of mediocrity and we have to accept that constraints within which PSL is operating.

It is a very average league with a very average pool of players playing in archaic looking stadiums, but it cannot be any better considering the status of Pakistan cricket today.

We cannot compete with IPL and soon The Hundred because we are not an elite cricket nation anymore.

As far as giving relevance to dead cricketers like Sammy and Ronchi is concerned, as long as PSL is scheduled right before the IPL and does not have a dedicated window (which it doesn’t deserve), it will be very difficult to attract most of the top players in the world.

When it comes to promoting local talent, well there is a talent crisis in Pakistan and 99% of the players coming through are garbage. That is why we are an embarrassingly mediocre cricket team at the moment.

Afridi’s official age may be 39, but he is actually close to the 50 mark and he is still holding his own against the so-called young talent. That sums up the quality and caliber of young talent coming through.

Inferiority complex/trolling takin to another level .. you could be a million post man here but won’t last a minute in a face to face discussion with a logical Pakistani cricket fan , ps I seriously doubt you’re evan a Pakistani
 
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Our youngsters are so soft,


no wonder the pensioners are forced to continue to play when you have such soft cricketers coming through the ranks
 
Hafeez and Gayle proving this assertion to be somewhat accurate thus far.

That's a bit misleading though. Hafeez is in the form of his life and is of the best T20 batsmen in the world right now. And Gayle is Gayle. He was even pretty good in the IPL last season. Some young fast bowlers have stepped up and we saw a great knock from Haider today. The tournament is only 3 days old and I know a lot of my non-Pakistani friends and colleagues who have been taking an interest and watching the games. We don't need to be so pessimistic and label it a pensioners league or anything like that.
 
Cricketers used to earn a pittance before the T20 leagues came into being.A few top class test players were ok but most of first class cricketers were struggling esp as they got older.T20 leagues have provided a life line for them.As long as they are fit and perform well the age is not an issue.The younger players can a lot from oldies too so I don't know why some people are complaining.
 
No T20 league is about unearthing new talent. These leagues exist to make money for everyone involved, which is why they will always be commercialized.
 
The best players should play, it doesn't matter if he is 15 or 50
 
No one wants to play youngsters if they are bad. Teams want to win. I don't begrudge the older guys for playing when they are often the best players there. And let's face it most fans would rather see an old Afridi, Hafeez, Malik etc. there than a young guy no one has heard of.

Think we need to increase the number of teams. Yes quality will drop a bit, but more of our domestic cricketers will be financially supported and more room for youngsters in the line up. I was against it initially as keeping the quality was important to attract foreign players, but it's in Pakistan now and already had a few seasons, it's more up to the actual Pakistanis to carry the PSL mostly than relying just on foreign players. So I think increasing the teams is the right idea. We have 6 currently, I think we could stretch to at least 8.
 
The quality of overseas players in this year's PSL is quite frankly embarrassing, it might be because of COVID-19 & some other international matches going around at this time.

I think PCB should shift PSL at some other time of the year, maybe September - October, or October - November.
 
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