PTI focusing on central Punjab to turn tide in next election

[WebGuru]

ISLAMABAD: Besides focusing on the Panamagate investigations against the ruling Sharif family, the senior PTI leadership has been working side by side on strengthening its ranks in central Punjab that it considers will be a real battlefield in the 2018 general elections.

The recent joining of seasoned politicians from the districts of Mandi Bahauddin, Sialkot, Gujranwala and Okara is part of the plan the party had been working on for quite some time now.

After the Panamagate decision from the Supreme Court, the senior leadership also sees another fresh wave of politicians from across Punjab joining the party, including the ones from the ruling PML-N, on the pattern of post-October 30, 2011 rally in Lahore.

In the recent past, the party has focused on some 19 districts of central Punjab consisting of 94 National Assembly constituencies. According to a senior leader privy to the developments, the party aims to grab the maximum number of seats out of it.

The situation was fairly poor for the PTI in these districts during the 2013 general elections. Out of 94 NA seats, it managed to win only two. The PML-N had made a clean sweep by clinching 91 seats while the PML-Q grabbed only one.

In some of the constituencies the party has completed what they call ‘the scientific survey’ of the constituency. Primarily, the survey is a popularity check of political leaders representing a specific constituency.

“The PTI has assessed voting patterns of the general elections of 2008 and 2013 and local bodies elections in various constituencies of central Punjab,” a senior party leader said, adding, “Through fresh sampling, a randomly selected group of over 3,500 individuals from one NA constituency are asked about their possible choice of candidate for the 2018 elections.”

“Electables are being focused in only those constituencies where PTI candidates were at number three or even lower,” the leader added.

For example, a survey carried out in Sialkot (NA 111) showed that former PPP minister Firdous Ashiq Awan’s popularity stood at 95 per cent – that is 95 per cent of people supported the idea of Awan representing the PTI in that constituency.

Through the efforts made by the PTI, Awan announced her joining the party. The PTI candidate in this constituency was at number three bagging over 31,000 votes, while Awan was the runner-up candidate.

In Mandi Bahauddin district (NA-109) Nazar Muhammad Gondal, who recently joined the PTI, was the runner-up. The PTI’s candidate trailed at number three.

In Gujranwala district (NA-98) Imtiaz Safdar Warraich was the runner-up and again the PTI’s man lagged behind at number three. The same goes for all other PPP leaders who recently joined the PTI from the districts in central Punjab.

The party also intends to support PML-Q candidates in some central Punjab constituencies where they did well during the 2013 general elections.

In some of the Gujrat district constituencies, the PTI is expected to support PML-Q candidates. Collectively, in the Gujrat district, the PML-Q was the runner-up, while the PTI came in third.

The leader said similar pattern is being followed in the Potohar and southern regions of Punjab and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa.

“The PTI’s back-channel talks are in progress with several PPP and some PML-N leaders from central Punjab,” the leaders claimed, adding, “Right now several potential electables from Punjab had only been waiting the judgment in the Panamagate case.

“With the announcement of the Panamagate verdict, all these leaders will decide about their future political course,” he added.

He said some electables from Faisalabad, Lahore and Gujranwala districts – which collectively have 30 NA constituencies – will soon announce their support for the PTI.



Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/1446625/pti-focusing-central-punjab-turn-tide-next-election/

 

[WebGuru]

Some interesting surveys and research being done by PTI to preapre before 2018 GE good to see them learning from their mistakes and the voting trends. Central Punjab is the core of our politics if you want to sit in Islamabad.

I heard Tareen is the mastermind behind all this new research and breakthroughs for PTI in central Punjab.

 

[King-Misbah]

I believe the PPP lot who joined PTI in Punjab will immensely dent Nakli sher in Punjab in next elections. Panama case judgement if justice is done will leave PMLN in tatters. In shallah.

 

[WebGuru]

Panama case judgement if justice is done will leave PMLN in tatters. In shallah.

In that case many of the sitting PMLN MNAs/MPAs are ready to jump out of the ship because hazraat zameer jaagne ka waqt hua chahta he...

 

[the Great Khan]

wont make a difference. IK still thinks this is a modern UK style democracy. It isnt. It is a mafia run election. I would be pleasantly surprised if we can break through in central punjab..

 

[Syed1]

I don't agree with this siasat of electables but unfortunately in Pakistan if you do asoloon ki siasat then the result is you will win a max of 30 seats like in 2013.


I hope even if these electables help IK win the 2018 elections and some corruption charges come against them then he is as strict against them as he is with the Noon darbaris.

 

[Syed1]

In that case many of the sitting PMLN MNAs/MPAs are ready to jump out of the ship because hazraat zameer jaagne ka waqt hua chahta he...

Yaar would you really accept a darbari who until yesterday was ready to go to any extreme to defend Badshah Salamat but then jumped ship and now is a mouthful of roses for Immy?

 

[WebGuru]

Yaar would you really accept a darbari who until yesterday was ready to go to any extreme to defend Badshah Salamat but then jumped ship and now is a mouthful of roses for Immy?

Nah there are 180+ MNAs and 400+ MPAs of PMLN in different assemblies and only a few of them come on media to represent sharif family and defend them as derbaris so there is a high chance of not accepting those few.Those few are Danial, Talal, Marvi, Mushahidullah, Pervez Rasheed, Ranas, Khawajas etc. Maximum 30 to 40 MNAs+MPAs. Typical electables kisi ke nahi hote humaari politics main na he wo aa ker defend kerte hen party ko unka maqsad just seat jeetna hota he party or leader jo be ho.

 

[Black Zero]

Zafar Gondal (brother of Nazar Gondal ) is involved in a scandal of worth 56 billion. And it was Nazar who gave the post to Zafar.

I do not follow local politics of Pakistan, but my friend called me on Eid and we discussed recent lota acquisitions by PTI.

As per him, one cannot find more corrupt family in that area. Zafar also spent two years in jail but now free and a proud champion to lead the cause of justice under PTI flag.

 

[WebGuru]

A few lota MNAs / NA-Candidates of PMLN from NA-51 to NA-200. (List isn't complete and lota MPAs are not included). This list will give you an idea ke yeh electables kisi ke nae hote sirf apne mafaad ke hote hen

 

[Syed1]

A few lota MNAs / NA-Candidates of PMLN from NA-51 to NA-200. (List isn't complete and lota MPAs are not included). This list will give you an idea ke yeh electables kisi ke nae hote sirf apne mafaad ke hote hen

Yaar Guru bhai yehi tou masla hai.... yeh saray apne mafaad ke bashinday hain. How do you expect them to change the face of Pakistan, eliminate corruption, focus on education and health etc etc when they haven't done so in decades.

 

[WebGuru]

Yaar Guru bhai yehi tou masla hai.... yeh saray apne mafaad ke bashinday hain. How do you expect them to change the face of Pakistan, eliminate corruption, focus on education and health etc etc when they haven't done so in decades.

That's the sad reality of our politics nobody likes to give new faces a chance they only vote for those powerful electables no matter what party ticket they got. The only new faces that won on PTI ticket in 2013 were from KP without any experience but in Punjab and Sindh electables matter.

 

[Bewal Express]

The quandary of IK and the PTI is a simple one; do you sacrifice principle to get elected so that you can change things when in power or do you keep losing with good people to the Noora mafia with good people?

 

[Macho Mann]

PPP was created to counter muslim league and awami muslim league

PMLN was created to counter PPP

PMLQ was created to counter PMLN (but PMLQ was very unstable)

now PTI is created to counter PMLN

and the experiment will carry on and on

 

[Syed1]

PPP was created to counter muslim league and awami muslim league

PMLN was created to counter PPP

PMLQ was created to counter PMLN (but PMLQ was very unstable)

now PTI is created to counter PMLN

and the experiment will carry on and on

Lol that is such a childish view of the world. PPP has always been against the establishment and no way in hell it was "created" it was formed by the people under a popular leader who wanted to overturn the existing power structure.

Same with PTI. There is a reason why people draw comparisons between IK and ZAB.

The only entity that was created was Nawaz Sharif's political career.

 

[Pakpak]

A few lota MNAs / NA-Candidates of PMLN from NA-51 to NA-200. (List isn't complete and lota MPAs are not included). This list will give you an idea ke yeh electables kisi ke nae hote sirf apne mafaad ke hote hen

Where is that Hamza going, going on about PTI ''unelectables'' and here is a complete list of PMLN lotays. Forget that, guy ran away from a debate.

 

[Macho Mann]

Lol that is such a childish view of the world. PPP has always been against the establishment and no way in hell it was "created" it was formed by the people under a popular leader who wanted to overturn the existing power structure.

Same with PTI. There is a reason why people draw comparisons between IK and ZAB.

The only entity that was created was Nawaz Sharif's political career.

start learning history

 

[Pakpak]

start learning history

Maybe you ought to learn some yourself. Or atleast enlighten us as to why you think what you think.

PPP is a very anti-establishment party, heck its main leader was hanged by a General and the second one killed under a General's nose. The only party who's leader was groomed and who served the Army was our Kugoo.

And I say this as someone who doesn't like PPP.

 

[super hitter]

he'll fail, because clinton did, because congress did...I don't know who's the mastermind but a true man will never be able to lead...Yes if Imran turns anti Islamic before elections, then 99.9 percent chances are that he'll win

 

[Macho Mann]

Maybe you ought to learn some yourself. Or atleast enlighten us as to why you think what you think.

PPP is a very anti-establishment party, heck its main leader was hanged by a General and the second one killed under a General's nose. The only party who's leader was groomed and who served the Army was our Kugoo.

And I say this as someone who doesn't like PPP.

and wasnt nawaz shareef gonna be hanged as well?

imran and bhutto have been ISI creations even before they appeared as 'leaders' in public

 

[Pakpak]

and wasnt nawaz shareef gonna be hanged as well? by a general before saudi arabia and india intervened?

imran and bhutto have been ISI creations even before they appeared as 'leaders' in public

bhutto with ayub khan, imran with general hameed gul

When did India intervene?

Nawaz did not have any problem with the Army barring Musharraf and which was made personal because he tried to kill the latter in the air by refusing his plane to land. His own daughter married a Captain.

Bhutto with Ayub? Imran Khan with Gul all with the backing of ISI?

What The only time ISI ever became a force was during Zia's reign. Before then its affects were negligible and it was a non-entity.

 

[Macho Mann]

When did India intervene?

Nawaz did not have any problem with the Army barring Musharraf and which was made personal because he tried to kill the latter in the air by refusing his plane to land. His own daughter married a Captain.

Bhutto with Ayub? Imran Khan with Gul all with the backing of ISI?

What The only time ISI ever became a force was during Zia's reign. Before then its affects were negligible and it was a non-entity.

i cant discuss in detail here i have already given out much detail, you can research these facts on ur own

 

[Pakpak]

i cant discuss in detail here i have already given out much detail, you can research these facts on ur own

What do you mean, who's stopping you?

 

[Slog]

that strategy didnt work out at all in 2013

all IK did was campaign in Punjab and ended up winning nowhere

 

[last_knight]

PPP was created to counter muslim league and awami muslim league

PMLN was created to counter PPP

PMLQ was created to counter PMLN (but PMLQ was very unstable)

now PTI is created to counter PMLN

and the experiment will carry on and on

As Che Guevara would tell us.

"Cruel leaders are replaced only to have new leaders turn cruel".

 

[WebGuru]

Where is that Hamza going, going on about PTI ''unelectables'' and here is a complete list of PMLN lotays. Forget that, guy ran away from a debate.

You mean [MENTION=113742]Hamza_[/MENTION]

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

A few lota MNAs / NA-Candidates of PMLN from NA-51 to NA-200. (List isn't complete and lota MPAs are not included). This list will give you an idea ke yeh electables kisi ke nae hote sirf apne mafaad ke hote hen

Where is that Hamza going, going on about PTI ''unelectables'' and here is a complete list of PMLN lotays. Forget that, guy ran away from a debate.

You mean [MENTION=113742]Hamza_[/MENTION]

King Party was manufactured by ISI. Do you have any doubt ?

What exactly was PML Q ? 80 % PML N leaders acquired by NAB's force & blackmailing ? ?


Those people returned to their Mother Party so what is this LOTA stuff ?


I know that Nawaz Sharif might have failed to win a Councillors Election in 1983, he and his late father was politically unknown figures & the same ISI under ZIA launched this Industrialist's Son to lead reunited Muslim League to Counter Public Voice Pakistan Peoples Party.


The Same Establishment's sown Nawaz Sharif later became People's Choice especially leader of Rural Punjab Majority and conquered Urban Punjab aswell. Do you have any doubt about it ?


Musharaff the mighty Dictator failed to Curb Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif. First He influenced Courts to punish him in a rubbish hijacking case. Than on Saudi stick He allowed him to flee pakistan for a 10 years Deal. Did not dare to do his financial accountability thinking people will forget him when I will flow Milk Rivers thorough my governance and Sharif will be history. Absolutely Crushed PML N. Through NAB blackmailing got 75 % PML N leaders into King Party's LAP.


When the mighty Jurnail retired where did PML Q go ? Almost vanished and majority of the politicians went back to their Leader Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif & PML N.


Bhutto was a Born Leader who would have flourished in any case but He chose to start his Journey with Dictator. He wasn't handpicked by Establishment neither He was trained in GHQ under patronage of a JURNAILL. But Bhutto in start did compromise on democratic values as he thought that there was no other way.


In last 50 years the Only leader with minimum Establishment baggage on his Shoulders was/is Imran Khan Niazi.


The same Establishment which sometimes becomes Anti Bhutto, sometimes become anti Sharif is the One which conived with Sharif to lose Imran 40-50 Seats from Punjab. Mostly from Pakistan's most developed Urban Cities of Punjab.


Once again this Establishment will use Imran, will try to show as if they are with Imran just to weaken democracy or just to press Sharif or Zardari so that Establishments Flag flags high and their supremacy of last 52 yesrs renains intact but they will again try their level best to Rob Imran Khan 70-90 Seats this time even if they have to re-support Sharifs, Zardari's or PML Q, ANP etc in order to stop Imran Khan from gaining power.


I wish, hope & pray that their plans fail but they are mighty.


Than they through their stooge journos will say ECP, Sharif, Zardari's, UK & USA did rigging and caused IK defeat when think tanks & middle management of World's most feared Agency would have their hands & feet both in the Karahi.


Nawaz Sharif or Zardari are in No position to beat Agencies. They are in no position to order Agencies to Conive with them in rigging or engineering elections unless they and them on the same page.


Whether it's ECP officials, Police officers, teachers or judicial officers what will they opt for ? Orders of Sharifs or Zardari ? Bribe of Sharif or Zardari's in millions or one phone call from unknown untraceable number warning them of serious consequences if they don't abide by commands ? When they are told about the names, adresses of their siblings & children along with their school's offices adresses ? Will a corrupt or honest officer let go his children/siblings/spouse safety/life for millions sharifs or zardari bribe them ?


Who killed Asghar Khan's only Son ? Sharif ? Zardari ?


Your grand children will read 80 year's old former Chairman NADRA's autobiography as to who gave him and his family life threats. (Tariq Malik)


Easiest thing to say that it was Chaudhry Nisar/Sharif's/IB.

 

[Mian]

King Party was manufactured by ISI. Do you have any doubt ?

What exactly was PML Q ? 80 % PML N leaders acquired by NAB's force & blackmailing ? ?


Those people returned to their Mother Party so what is this LOTA stuff ?


I know that Nawaz Sharif might have failed to win a Councillors Election in 1983, he and his late father was politically unknown figures & the same ISI under ZIA launched this Industrialist's Son to lead reunited Muslim League to Counter Public Voice Pakistan Peoples Party.


The Same Establishment's sown Nawaz Sharif later became People's Choice especially leader of Rural Punjab Majority and conquered Urban Punjab aswell. Do you have any doubt about it ?


Musharaff the mighty Dictator failed to Curb Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif. First He influenced Courts to punish him in a rubbish hijacking case. Than on Saudi stick He allowed him to flee pakistan for a 10 years Deal. Did not dare to do his financial accountability thinking people will forget him when I will flow Milk Rivers thorough my governance and Sharif will be history. Absolutely Crushed PML N. Through NAB blackmailing got 75 % PML N leaders into King Party's LAP.


When the mighty Jurnail retired where did PML Q go ? Almost vanished and majority of the politicians went back to their Leader Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif & PML N.


Bhutto was a Born Leader who would have flourished in any case but He chose to start his Journey with Dictator. He wasn't handpicked by Establishment neither He was trained in GHQ under patronage of a JURNAILL. But Bhutto in start did compromise on democratic values as he thought that there was no other way.


In last 50 years the Only leader with minimum Establishment baggage on his Shoulders was/is Imran Khan Niazi.


The same Establishment which sometimes becomes Anti Bhutto, sometimes become anti Sharif is the One which conived with Sharif to lose Imran 40-50 Seats from Punjab. Mostly from Pakistan's most developed Urban Cities of Punjab.


Once again this Establishment will use Imran, will try to show as if they are with Imran just to weaken democracy or just to press Sharif or Zardari so that Establishments Flag flags high and their supremacy of last 52 yesrs renains intact but they will again try their level best to Rob Imran Khan 70-90 Seats this time even if they have to re-support Sharifs, Zardari's or PML Q, ANP etc in order to stop Imran Khan from gaining power.


I wish, hope & pray that their plans fail but they are mighty.


Than they through their stooge journos will say ECP, Sharif, Zardari's, UK & USA did rigging and caused IK defeat when think tanks & middle management of World's most feared Agency would have their hands & feet both in the Karahi.


Nawaz Sharif or Zardari are in No position to beat Agencies. They are in no position to order Agencies to Conive with them in rigging or engineering elections unless they and them on the same page.


Whether it's ECP officials, Police officers, teachers or judicial officers what will they opt for ? Orders of Sharifs or Zardari ? Bribe of Sharif or Zardari's in millions or one phone call from unknown untraceable number warning them of serious consequences if they don't abide by commands ? When they are told about the names, adresses of their siblings & children along with their school's offices adresses ? Will a corrupt or honest officer let go his children/siblings/spouse safety/life for millions sharifs or zardari bribe them ?


Who killed Asghar Khan's only Son ? Sharif ? Zardari ?


Your grand children will read 80 year's old former Chairman NADRA's autobiography as to who gave him and his family life threats. (Tariq Malik)


Easiest thing to say that it was Chaudhry Nisar/Sharif's/IB.

So Ali Asghar Khan the regional president of PTI isn't the son of Asghar Khan?

Who said hum Musharraf ki baaqyat ko apni partt main nae lenge and than ended up with half of mush cabinet? Your very own Mian Nawaz

Lets not even discuss he lies like maine koi muhaida nar kya mush se

He is the biggest Uturn leader while he claims IK is the one.

 

[WebGuru]

King Party was manufactured by ISI. Do you have any doubt ?

What exactly was PML Q ? 80 % PML N leaders acquired by NAB's force & blackmailing ? ?


Those people returned to their Mother Party so what is this LOTA stuff ?


I know that Nawaz Sharif might have failed to win a Councillors Election in 1983, he and his late father was politically unknown figures & the same ISI under ZIA launched this Industrialist's Son to lead reunited Muslim League to Counter Public Voice Pakistan Peoples Party.


The Same Establishment's sown Nawaz Sharif later became People's Choice especially leader of Rural Punjab Majority and conquered Urban Punjab aswell. Do you have any doubt about it ?


Musharaff the mighty Dictator failed to Curb Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif. First He influenced Courts to punish him in a rubbish hijacking case. Than on Saudi stick He allowed him to flee pakistan for a 10 years Deal. Did not dare to do his financial accountability thinking people will forget him when I will flow Milk Rivers thorough my governance and Sharif will be history. Absolutely Crushed PML N. Through NAB blackmailing got 75 % PML N leaders into King Party's LAP.


When the mighty Jurnail retired where did PML Q go ? Almost vanished and majority of the politicians went back to their Leader Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif & PML N.


Bhutto was a Born Leader who would have flourished in any case but He chose to start his Journey with Dictator. He wasn't handpicked by Establishment neither He was trained in GHQ under patronage of a JURNAILL. But Bhutto in start did compromise on democratic values as he thought that there was no other way.


In last 50 years the Only leader with minimum Establishment baggage on his Shoulders was/is Imran Khan Niazi.


The same Establishment which sometimes becomes Anti Bhutto, sometimes become anti Sharif is the One which conived with Sharif to lose Imran 40-50 Seats from Punjab. Mostly from Pakistan's most developed Urban Cities of Punjab.


Once again this Establishment will use Imran, will try to show as if they are with Imran just to weaken democracy or just to press Sharif or Zardari so that Establishments Flag flags high and their supremacy of last 52 yesrs renains intact but they will again try their level best to Rob Imran Khan 70-90 Seats this time even if they have to re-support Sharifs, Zardari's or PML Q, ANP etc in order to stop Imran Khan from gaining power.


I wish, hope & pray that their plans fail but they are mighty.


Than they through their stooge journos will say ECP, Sharif, Zardari's, UK & USA did rigging and caused IK defeat when think tanks & middle management of World's most feared Agency would have their hands & feet both in the Karahi.


Nawaz Sharif or Zardari are in No position to beat Agencies. They are in no position to order Agencies to Conive with them in rigging or engineering elections unless they and them on the same page.


Whether it's ECP officials, Police officers, teachers or judicial officers what will they opt for ? Orders of Sharifs or Zardari ? Bribe of Sharif or Zardari's in millions or one phone call from unknown untraceable number warning them of serious consequences if they don't abide by commands ? When they are told about the names, adresses of their siblings & children along with their school's offices adresses ? Will a corrupt or honest officer let go his children/siblings/spouse safety/life for millions sharifs or zardari bribe them ?


Who killed Asghar Khan's only Son ? Sharif ? Zardari ?


Your grand children will read 80 year's old former Chairman NADRA's autobiography as to who gave him and his family life threats. (Tariq Malik)


Easiest thing to say that it was Chaudhry Nisar/Sharif's/IB.

Yeh electables kisi ke nae hote bhai they just wait for the opportunity to jump the ship and secure their own seat because inka zameer jaagne lagta he season main...

The biggest derbaris from current era were never part of PMLN in 90s. Hanif Abbasi came from JI in 2008, Danial Aziz, Marvi, Talal etc all started their career with PMLQ and later joined PMLN in 2008/13

 

[Couch Cricketer]

PTI should not ignore Karachi as well they have a big chance specially with the mqm supporters divided amoung different mqm parties. Pti lost many seats because of rigging they can easily pick up 10-15 seats if they concentrate on Karachi a bit. But they need to start working on it now and maybe even make seat adjustments with one of the mqm parties as that would allow them to pick more seats.

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[TalentSpotterPk]

So Ali Asghar Khan the regional president of PTI isn't the son of Asghar Khan?

Who said hum Musharraf ki baaqyat ko apni partt main nae lenge and than ended up with half of mush cabinet? Your very own Mian Nawaz

Lets not even discuss he lies like maine koi muhaida nar kya mush se

He is the biggest Uturn leader while he claims IK is the one.

All Polotical leaders of Pakistan take U-turn. You have any doubt about it ? Incase you have bump a relevent thread.


Each leader does political point scoring in Pakistan. Any doubts ?


Modern day Politics runs like that.


People join parties, leave parties. Ideologies change. Live with it.


As a blind hater no need to bash one party or one or two leaders. Seena choarha ker, dil berha ker aor khul k bol k kon kon aor dusri parties ki baqyaat ley raha hai aor kesay justifications dee jarai hein.


Nawaz Sharif shouldn't have done 10 Years deal & shouldn't have come 2-3 Years earlier but in that those who have given Us free petrol over the years were involved. The same folks who gifted Musharaff with luxury properties worth billions. ie Common friends.


Another thing you won't recognise as a blind hater is that Nawaz Sharif spent 2-3 years in Jail. Like Zardari there could have been attempts to cut his tongue aswell and every Tom Dick & Hary isn't Zardari who would not compromise with your beloved King Maker's to make a deal and Run Away.


Wrt Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto there are two theories :

1. Him getting hanged was a Divine decision

2. He did not bow down infront of your beloved King Makers when Qatar, Libya & SA planes were in Pak to take him away but he did not Bow infront of King Makers and preferred instead to Die.


As a hater you would have loved Sharif to be either poisoned in jail, or get hanged or spend 13 years in Jail for Plane hijacking case but He chose to bow temporarily infront of King Makers and leave Pakistan.


The greeedy Godfather of King Makers, the Dictator who broke Article 6 twice your beloved Hero pursued a Case whereby Nawaz would get long Jail sentence and He dictator could rule Pakistan where he and his allies spent all their energies to blackmail politicians through NAB which was there Ghar ki Loundee (Slave) rather than doing Sharif's Accountability in Sugar Mill, Paper Mill, Loans/Money laundering cases. To prove Pakistanis that He isn't just alleged to be Corrupt but look We made him a Convict through Superior Courts of Pakistan and here are these Billions being deposited in Pakistan's National Treasure and and Sharif's are disqualified forever. No No No. Because beneficiary would have been Benazir Bhutto and to a certain extent Imran/Qazi/Fazal/Aswand/Mengal and your King Maker did not want this because for him priority was " Pakistan First " ie Musharaff First.


And it was IMRAN KHAN only who accepted his mistake/blunder of supporting Dictator's referendum hoping he would carry out Accountability Drive but instead He was Nasli Bhooka of Sharif's Seat only. Same IK had the Balls to say NO to King Maker and GodFather of Deep State when He was offered PM-Ship.


Poora Sach Bola kero when it comes to IK/Sharif/Zardari. If your relatives & friends are in PTI or grand honorable members of King Makers or if you are member of social media team of one party than keep on potraying Rosy picture of One side while opting for blind hate for other parties & leaders.

 

[Mian]

All Polotical leaders of Pakistan take U-turn. You have any doubt about it ? Incase you have bump a relevent thread.


Each leader does political point scoring in Pakistan. Any doubts ?


Modern day Politics runs like that.


People join parties, leave parties. Ideologies change. Live with it.


As a blind hater no need to bash one party or one or two leaders. Seena choarha ker, dil berha ker aor khul k bol k kon kon aor dusri parties ki baqyaat ley raha hai aor kesay justifications dee jarai hein.


Nawaz Sharif shouldn't have done 10 Years deal & shouldn't have come 2-3 Years earlier but in that those who have given Us free petrol over the years were involved. The same folks who gifted Musharaff with luxury properties worth billions. ie Common friends.


Another thing you won't recognise as a blind hater is that Nawaz Sharif spent 2-3 years in Jail. Like Zardari there could have been attempts to cut his tongue aswell and every Tom Dick & Hary isn't Zardari who would not compromise with your beloved King Maker's to make a deal and Run Away.


Wrt Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto there are two theories :

1. Him getting hanged was a Divine decision

2. He did not bow down infront of your beloved King Makers when Qatar, Libya & SA planes were in Pak to take him away but he did not Bow infront of King Makers and preferred instead to Die.


As a hater you would have loved Sharif to be either poisoned in jail, or get hanged or spend 13 years in Jail for Plane hijacking case but He chose to bow temporarily infront of King Makers and leave Pakistan.


The greeedy Godfather of King Makers, the Dictator who broke Article 6 twice your beloved Hero pursued a Case whereby Nawaz would get long Jail sentence and He dictator could rule Pakistan where he and his allies spent all their energies to blackmail politicians through NAB which was there Ghar ki Loundee (Slave) rather than doing Sharif's Accountability in Sugar Mill, Paper Mill, Loans/Money laundering cases. To prove Pakistanis that He isn't just alleged to be Corrupt but look We made him a Convict through Superior Courts of Pakistan and here are these Billions being deposited in Pakistan's National Treasure and and Sharif's are disqualified forever. No No No. Because beneficiary would have been Benazir Bhutto and to a certain extent Imran/Qazi/Fazal/Aswand/Mengal and your King Maker did not want this because for him priority was " Pakistan First " ie Musharaff First.


And it was IMRAN KHAN only who accepted his mistake/blunder of supporting Dictator's referendum hoping he would carry out Accountability Drive but instead He was Nasli Bhooka of Sharif's Seat only. Same IK had the Balls to say NO to King Maker and GodFather of Deep State when He was offered PM-Ship.


Poora Sach Bola kero when it comes to IK/Sharif/Zardari. If your relatives & friends are in PTI or grand honorable members of King Makers or if you are member of social media team of one party than keep on potraying Rosy picture of One side while opting for blind hate for other parties & leaders.

Swal gandum jawab channa. You and your old habit of bypassing the real questions and writing a long post covering some other subjects.

 

[Pakpak]

Swal gandum jawab channa. You and your old habit of bypassing the real questions and writing a long post covering some other subjects.

Same, I skip his posts. Can't be bothered reading essays. He's a good guy and I respect him a lot but.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Yeh electables kisi ke nae hote bhai they just wait for the opportunity to jump the ship and secure their own seat because inka zameer jaagne lagta he season main...

The biggest derbaris from current era were never part of PMLN in 90s. Hanif Abbasi came from JI in 2008, Danial Aziz, Marvi, Talal etc all started their career with PMLQ and later joined PMLN in 2008/13

I do not mind people jumping parties or their ideologies getting changed. What I don't want is politician's doing financial Corruption.


There was very few Nazariati Politicians in Pakistan and there are very few who have consistent Ideology and for this I blame nation and don't blame Bhutto/Sharif or Imran.


I also blame whistle blowers who keep Corruption Files of politicians and blackmail them by saying Join Sharif or Imran othereise we will leak your Corruption files in Print/Electronic Media.


Even when there was no Cyber Crime Bill atleast I failed to see you directly or indirectly naming those who Signal people to Join Party..... unka koi kasoor nai ? Iss baat ki tankhoa milti hai unhein your tax money se ?


And tomorow if & when IK would be in Power than would you say the same for Fawad Chaudhry (PML Q, PPP, APML), Fayaz ul Hassan Chohan (JI, JUI F), Babar Awan (JI, PPP), Jehangir Tareen (PML Q), Shah Mehmood (PML N, PPP) etc etc or this Love affair is just with Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif & PML N ?


Lastly there is another Factor of people joining a Party. Popularity of a Leader. In Urban Cities of Punjab Most Popular Leader is Imran Khan these days. So if you Ignore Metro Cities like Lahore/Multan/Rawalpindi/Islamabad than if I want to do politics of Seat I would Opt for Imran q k wahan vote hai jo Imran ka vote mujhay lena hai. Now these New Entries think that this time after Dawn Leaks & Panama leaks there won't be Kayani/Iftikhar/Sharif Muqmuqqa & elections won't be Robbed so in this hope they are with IK.


If Establishment fails than will IK do Accountability of his own Party leaders who are now at his right and left ? That is the main question. Or He too like Sharif would say that Accountability after 5 Years through Ballot Box ? If IK's majority companions are corrupt (currently alleged) than ye sub partian badal lein ge. Aor kuch darjan Leaders Khan k saath rahein ge aor hakumatt toot jaey gee kuch months mein.


For now I wish somehow He fails King-Makers plus no matter what Panama Leaks verdict comes IK has to become friendly with Zardari, Elahi & Siraj because He may very well need support of them or all of them to make Coalition government because Nawaz Sharif will only lose few Seats in Punjab in case of Real Elections.


If the Elections are like 90's than wiped out PPP will get Majority Again. Phir Rona Dhona he hoga dhaandli ka 5 saal.


Rayasatt k Asal theykaydaaroun ka ye dastoor raha hai k kbi saaray anday aik popular leader ki jholi mein daal dou aor kbi dusray ki. Aaj PPP traitor anti state, kal PPP best friend. Aaj PML N traitor anti state, kal PPP best friend.

Aaj kal PPP ki taraf naram gosha hai unka jinka aap naam nai letay


In last Elections Gillani family from Multan aor Pervez Ashraf Gujjar Khan se kisi Suratt nai haar saktay thay na PML N se na PTI se jitna kaam kerwaaya. Per aapkay dostoun ko wo Na-Manzoor thay. Agar Free & Fair Elections hotay tou PPP apni 30 % Seats haarti compared to 2008 aor PML N 40 % aor Major beneficiary PTI hoti along with few seats for PML Q + JI. But PPP got wiped out through architects of Memo-Gate, Drugs, Hajj cases....... Rigging was not just Imran Central but Zardari central too. Still major sufferer was IK & PTI.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Swal gandum jawab channa. You and your old habit of bypassing the real questions and writing a long post covering some other subjects.

Should I post U-turns of Imran Khan ?


You have a habbit of ignoring points I make about PTI & Establishment and you just ask me questions about Nawaz Sharif and I am not willing to drive anti-Nawaz agenda only. This is the sole reason I don't adress your Nawaz Central questions but give you a broad picture of all sides. Par phir Parr Jaltay hein na ?

 

[Mian]

Should I post U-turns of Imran Khan ?


You have a habbit of ignoring points I make about PTI & Establishment and you just ask me questions about Nawaz Sharif and I am not willing to drive anti-Nawaz agenda only. This is the sole reason I don't adress your Nawaz Central questions but give you a broad picture of all sides. Par phir Parr Jaltay hein na ?

Sure do write another long essay and post all those uturns of ik mera konsa maame chaache ka beta he jo defend keroon or angel thora he hai. Wo be munafiq hoga but in zia ke bachon se bera munafiq humaari sayasat main koi nae. Give me a Zardari any day of the week and twice on Sunday over Munafiq Sharifs

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

PTI should not ignore Karachi as well they have a big chance specially with the mqm supporters divided amoung different mqm parties. Pti lost many seats because of rigging they can easily pick up 10-15 seats if they concentrate on Karachi a bit. But they need to start working on it now and maybe even make seat adjustments with one of the mqm parties as that would allow them to pick more seats.

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The performance of PTI MNA's & MPA'S from Karachi is very poor barring one PTI female MPA and Dr.Arif Alvi.


This MQM divided is only a drama and temporary arrangement. They are One. Majority Khi vote is Altaf Hussain's Vote & PPP & PTI realise this.

PTI could have bagged 10-15 Seats Yes but they just resigned to Fate.


IK & PTI worked very very hard in NA-246 By Election but MQM got 97000 votes while PTI bagged 27000. So Imran Khan realised ground realities.


Now it's too late.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Sure do write another long essay and post all those uturns of ik mera konsa maame chaache ka beta he jo defend keroon or angel thora he hai. Wo be munafiq hoga but in zia ke bachon se bera munafiq humaari sayasat main koi nae. Give me a Zardari any day of the week and twice on Sunday over Munafiq Sharifs

Why did you question me about U-turns of Sharif ?

Is Sharif my Mama Chacha ? You should Dare and say that Imran Khan, Nawaz Sharif, Zardari & all Political leaders of Pakistan take U turns.

Sharif tumhari bhens Chori ker k le gaya hai jo you only target Sharif ?


Everybody in Pakistan has seen Nawaz Sharif's 10 years Deal's Copy and knows He came back 2-3 years earlier and knows that He lied. But only Politician who lies is Nawaz Sharif ? All other politicians of Pakistan are Angel ? Mutaqqi ? Momin ?


Who gave authority to a Soldier to sign a deal with Saudi Arabia ? Bolo ? Jawaab dou ? Meri Bala se 13 saal Serhne detay Sharif ko Jail mein. Billions ki Properties in Dubai & London iss Azeem kaarnaamay ki wajah se leen ?


For Ali Asghar Khan I admit my mistake. So that was Omar Asghar Khan who was murdered in 2002. So Yes He had 2 Sons and now has 1 who is part of PTI.


Nawaz Sharif Jhoota, Munaafiq hoga. Mein yahan uska character certificate denay nai betha hua lekin Baaqi Siasatdaanoun ne bhee munafqattein kee hein aor Jhoot bolay hein ye haqeeqat mein tumharay halq mein utaarnay ki koshish ker raha hun.


Tum Shakhseeat Parasti, Idaara Parasti bund kero aor ground realities pe baat kero.


Tum bohat berhay expert ho MashaAllah tou tum NWFP k Accountability Commision ki performance pe kyun nai boltay ho ? Iss mein Cyber Crime Bill bhee nai. Uthaaey jaanay ka khatra bhee nai.

Bolo.

PTI had great oppurtunity to Show entire Pakistan that look this is how Accountability is done. See when we will come in power than this is how we will do Accountability through Independent NAB Nationwide.

Did PTI do Accountability of dismissed Sherpao group ministers ? DG Khan Jail break accountability was done ? Did the PTI government do Accountability of MMA & ANP led governments ? Or Diesel Diesel rhetoric is just for Jalsa ?

I have friends who say that ANP was much more corrupt than the perception of corruption we have about Sharif's & Zardari. Let's say they all lied, they all were childish, immature who had Establishment Phobea. But did PTI do their Accountability ?


If Sharif's NAB fails you say He is Hypcrite, Liar, Corrupt and has Muqmuqqa with PPP. Ok fine.


When Imran's/Khattak's NAB fails than ? Than you become Dumb ?


PTI took votes of people of KPK saying they will do Accountability of previous governments. Has that Promise fulfilled ? Fazal ur Rehman & Aswand Yar Wali live lives as per their Legal means ?



If you failed to Answer each & every question of mine or ignored my questions than I will not bother to Answer you again. Because I have no time for blind haters & blind lovers who just love to see one side which suits them while totally ignoring the other side.

 

[czar]

Why did you question me about U-turns of Sharif ?

Is Sharif my Mama Chacha ? You should Dare and say that Imran Khan, Nawaz Sharif, Zardari & all Political leaders of Pakistan take U turns.

Sharif tumhari bhens Chori ker k le gaya hai jo you only target Sharif ?


Everybody in Pakistan has seen Nawaz Sharif's 10 years Deal's Copy and knows He came back 2-3 years earlier and knows that He lied. But only Politician who lies is Nawaz Sharif ? All other politicians of Pakistan are Angel ? Mutaqqi ? Momin ?


Who gave authority to a Soldier to sign a deal with Saudi Arabia ? Bolo ? Jawaab dou ? Meri Bala se 13 saal Serhne detay Sharif ko Jail mein. Billions ki Properties in Dubai & London iss Azeem kaarnaamay ki wajah se leen ?


For Ali Asghar Khan I admit my mistake. So that was Omar Asghar Khan who was murdered in 2002. So Yes He had 2 Sons and now has 1 who is part of PTI.


Nawaz Sharif Jhoota, Munaafiq hoga. Mein yahan uska character certificate denay nai betha hua lekin Baaqi Siasatdaanoun ne bhee munafqattein kee hein aor Jhoot bolay hein ye haqeeqat mein tumharay halq mein utaarnay ki koshish ker raha hun.


Tum Shakhseeat Parasti, Idaara Parasti bund kero aor ground realities pe baat kero.


Tum bohat berhay expert ho MashaAllah tou tum NWFP k Accountability Commision ki performance pe kyun nai boltay ho ? Iss mein Cyber Crime Bill bhee nai. Uthaaey jaanay ka khatra bhee nai.

Bolo.

PTI had great oppurtunity to Show entire Pakistan that look this is how Accountability is done. See when we will come in power than this is how we will do Accountability through Independent NAB Nationwide.

Did PTI do Accountability of dismissed Sherpao group ministers ? DG Khan Jail break accountability was done ? Did the PTI government do Accountability of MMA & ANP led governments ? Or Diesel Diesel rhetoric is just for Jalsa ?

I have friends who say that ANP was much more corrupt than the perception of corruption we have about Sharif's & Zardari. Let's say they all lied, they all were childish, immature who had Establishment Phobea. But did PTI do their Accountability ?


If Sharif's NAB fails you say He is Hypcrite, Liar, Corrupt and has Muqmuqqa with PPP. Ok fine.


When Imran's/Khattak's NAB fails than ? Than you become Dumb ?


PTI took votes of people of KPK saying they will do Accountability of previous governments. Has that Promise fulfilled ? Fazal ur Rehman & Aswand Yar Wali live lives as per their Legal means ?



If you failed to Answer each & every question of mine or ignored my questions than I will not bother to Answer you again. Because I have no time for blind haters & blind lovers who just love to see one side which suits them while totally ignoring the other side.

Great Post Yaar. Totally exposed PTI/Imran Khan.

 

[Waseem]

I don't mind such strategy as PMLN was hailed in the last elections as champions for conducting surveys and including all the electables and they ended up giving half of their tickets to PMLQ/Musharaff candidates. I think majority of these electables don't even contribute much so doesn't really matter which party they go to.

I would have problem with PTI if any of these are given key posts or ministries.

 

[Waseem]

I think Faisalabad should be next target, 12 NA seats and no winning candidates there except a couple.

Only one or 2 close fights in 2013 otherwise PMLN won by HUGE margins. Another exmaple from Faisalabad is Farrukh Habib of PTI who was young ISF (Student wing) head and middle class educated candidates, he lost by 60,000 votes and he was strongest young candidate. PTI didn't even have a candidate for some constituencies so those hoping for young, educated and new candidates really need a reality check (I was also an idealist in 2013 elections).

 

[Syed1]

I think Faisalabad should be next target, 12 NA seats and no winning candidates there except a couple.

Only one or 2 close fights in 2013 otherwise PMLN won by HUGE margins. Another exmaple from Faisalabad is Farrukh Habib of PTI who was young ISF (Student wing) head and middle class educated candidates, he lost by 60,000 votes and he was strongest young candidate. PTI didn't even have a candidate for some constituencies so those hoping for young, educated and new candidates really need a reality check (I was also an idealist in 2013 elections).

Bhai PTI may win from Lahore but may never win from Faisalabad. FSD is the REAL stronghold of Noon league.

 

[Waseem]

Bhai PTI may win from Lahore but may never win from Faisalabad. FSD is the REAL stronghold of Noon league.

I have seen slight change with my own eyes this time when i visited in January, almost all my cousins started upporting PTI and also their friends as well (most supported PMLN before). A PTI MPA won seat from their area and defeated strong PMLN candidate (by elections). Point is that any new, educated and middle class candidate can't even imagine to defeat PMLN candidates especially NA candidates.
One must have personal vote bank of at least 30,000 to have any chance against PMLN even though things are changing.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Faislabad will be very hard for PTI to win as long as Sharif's are the opposition if they run away abroad then PTI can take it. Otherwise despite knowing Nawaz's corruption they still want him. My Dad's friends circle has a guy from faislabad and he stopped talking to most of them for a long time because of them supporting PTI in the last election

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[member250]

Lol that is such a childish view of the world. PPP has always been against the establishment and no way in hell it was "created" it was formed by the people under a popular leader who wanted to overturn the existing power structure.

Same with PTI. There is a reason why people draw comparisons between IK and ZAB.

The only entity that was created was Nawaz Sharif's political career.

Ayub Khan was behind Bhutto/PPP. Just because another general decade later hanged him doesn't change this fact. Just like Musharraf put Nawaz in jail.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Ayub Khan was behind Bhutto/PPP. Just because another general decade later hanged him doesn't change this fact. Just like Musharraf put Nawaz in jail.

Ayub Khan was behind Bhutto/PPP. Just because another general decade later hanged him doesn't change this fact. Just like Musharraf put Nawaz in jail.

Just because Bhutto for the timebeing compromised with Establishment/made a mistake doesn't make him an Establishment born leader. Doesn't mean PPP was created by Establishment.

Are you saying that people like Dr Mubashar Hassan etc were planted in PPP by Establishment ?


Just because for the time being and hoping for an accountability drive across the board if Imran supported Musharaff's Referendum it doesn't mean that He was an Establishment man. It was a blunder though.


Just because Altaf Hussain for the timebeing compromised with Musharaff does not mean He is an Establishment Pawn. Majority of Altaf's voters & supporters were anti Ayub and those who supported Fatima Jinnah.

The same Altaf was only leader who said NO to ISI from taking fund while IJI was made.


Only Leader who was politically unknown and had no political struggle at his back and got launched by establishment straight away was Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif. He was an ordinary student woth below average scores in his Bachelor's degree with no leadership abilities. Still struggles with Parcheez/chits being his weapon. Young Sharif was even more immature & lacked wisdom. He was assured by his Creators that Benazir Bhutto is anti-Pakistan & traitor so if He leads IJI takes fund than He would do nothing wrong but Jehaad. Sharif was bitter because Bhutto nationalised his factory and it was Zia who returned the factory to Sharif in poor state. Sharif was new in establishments Lap only 3 years old and He was in no position to say No. Given the evidence He was shown, I won't be surprised if Sharif honestly believed that Yes Benazir Bhutto is a Security threat to Pakistan. Afterall elected PM's were made to believe that Jinnah-Pur was a reality where in reality time proved it to be a Hoax only.

Having said that even Sharif the creation of Establishment realised with time, learnt and changed. He rightly tried to bit his own masters who should not have anything to do with Politics & governance. He rightly dismissed Musharaff & was about to do his Court Martial but Musharaff succeeded in Coup & than making a rubbish plane hijacking case against Sharif.


In 90's not just Sharif but even Benazir shaheed also conived with establishment to dislodge Sharif and than Sharif did the same with her. Twice each for almost 10 years. Both were Popular leaders. If Sharif was and is Popular than Establishment is responsible for it but now this Love between Sharif & his millions supporters voters is unbreakable in any case.


Whether Dawn Leaks was True or False wrt content but the same Sharif who once again conived with establishment to down PPP gov with memogate, hajj & drugs scandals again took on Establishment and dared to go for Dawn Leaks.


Zardari ? Spent 8 years in Jail & like Bhutto did not compromise with Establishment to make a deal and fly abroad. Not even one case proved in either Nawaz or Musharaff's tenure. Not even one conviction.


The same Zardari when in Power compromised with Establishment on many ocassions even sacrificing Gillani, Haqqani because when PPP is in power than Establishment gives the GOP the toughest time. More tough time than what Sharif gets because afterall they have birth to Sharif.


Now Zardari is back to Pakistan, tv stooges are silent on Uzair Baloch, Ayan Ali fled pak after getting bail successfully, Sharjeel Memon who fled Pak due to Rangers is back and roaming freely. So Establishment is soft with PPP atm because PPP isn't in power and Elections are after 10 months.


Imran Khan knows from inside that Establishment conived with Sharif to Rob him & Ppp both from many MPA, MNA seats where they could have formed Coalition government or a very strong Opposition. But they got them defeated aswell as divided them. Mainly IK suffered massively in Urban punjab.


Having seen this all while being in opposition Imran has to listen up to Establishment signals durings his movements against Gov. Establishment gets benefits (directly, indirectly) when sitting gov is pressed as they get the edge and there supremacy remains intact.

Many of Hashmi's allegations would be true but Imran has to compromise as he has no choice. He knows if he remains anti establishment they will robb him more seats by siding with Zardari or Sharif whosoever they feel is new better good partner in crime.

Imran is no Kaaka (kid). He has strughled 25 years. Imran knew that Nawaz would never ever open 4 constituencies at his demand because Nawaz conived with Establishment and why would he annoy ISI who Won him atleast 40 seats from PTI & atleast 20 seats from PPP ?


But He IK had to struggle. Once again during Dharna Mohammad Afzal Khan was launched to give Sharif nightmaires & make him sweat. The same Afzal Khan did not turn up infront of SC rigging commision. Why ? Because there was no signal.


You think that Imran in CEC meeting wouldn't have discussed why Afzal Khan did not show up in Rigging commision ? He aen't a fool.


Just because Establishment is Mighty & all powerful Altaf, Zardari, Sharif & Imran all have to make compromises with them but it does not mean that :


A. They are not Popular, have not hot million voters at their back.

B. They are not Democrat.


Unless there isn't True Democracy in Pakistan with Civilian Supremacy Change won't take place & Pakistan won't be able to flourish and become First world State.

Today you abuse Sharif, tommorow you abuse Maryum, than Zardari, Bilawal, Shehbaz, Hamza, Imran, Asad, Jehangir, Ayesha Gulalai etc etc and the vicious circle will continue. Media's strings will be pulled as usual, today's angels will be portrayed as tommorow's Corrupt, anti state, traitors, security threat with corruption scandals coming from left right and Ajab Corruption ki Ghazzab stories being fed to Us by future Masood's & Luqman's. Today Sharif & Altaf are India's Men, Security threat, traitors. Tommorow it will be Imran. Previously it was BB Shaheed & Bhutto.

Un-Ending stories..........


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[DRsohail]

@Tallentspotterpk agreed most of the things.....but establishment would have not done if some of these the so called leaders were honest,,but surely they are not...

 

[Couch Cricketer]

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] I agree with most of what you have said at the same time I feel with the current world situation if the establishment does not move back a bit it will be the end of Pakistan and without Pakistan they are nothing as well. The Arab countries don't have the money to prop up Pakistani governments military or otherwise as what ever they have they all need to control and manipulate their own populations they are flaiming sectranian conflicts to hide and deflect the economic situation from their populations.

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[super hitter]

Unless there isn't True Democracy in Pakistan with Civilian Supremacy Change won't take place & Pakistan won't be able to flourish and become First world State.

Today you abuse Sharif, tommorow you abuse Maryum, than Zardari, Bilawal, Shehbaz, Hamza, Imran, Asad, Jehangir, Ayesha Gulalai etc etc and the vicious circle will continue. Media's strings will be pulled as usual, today's angels will be portrayed as tommorow's Corrupt, anti state, traitors, security threat with corruption scandals coming from left right and Ajab Corruption ki Ghazzab stories being fed to Us by future Masood's & Luqman's. Today Sharif & Altaf are India's Men, Security threat, traitors. Tommorow it will be Imran. Previously it was BB Shaheed & Bhutto.

Un-Ending stories..........

WISH we didn't had a democracy, autocracy seems better at least their wouldn't have been a race for emptying the national treasures