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With the recent events unfurling so fast, it's hard to follow the news and get a glance of what each side is saying.

So let's have 2 threads.

Indian Viewpoint & Pakistani Viewpoint

And mods can keep updating the thread title with each development.

I am starting the Indian viewpoint thread.

India Rejects Pakistan's Claims of Arresting IAF Pilot, Says All Personnel Accounted for

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pak...e-to-demonstrate-1999961?pfrom=home-topscroll

https://www.news18.com/news/india/i...l-accounted-for-2049727.html?ref=hp_top_pos_1
 
Its almost a fact that two planes of India have been shot down.

Don't know about pilots but if you wanna bury your head in sand...… sure.
 
what's the point of an indian viewpoint on PP. There's a megathread already, it's better to just post there. If you're trying to push indian propaganda then this isn't the right audience.
 
Pakistanian said:
what's the point of an indian viewpoint on PP. There's a megathread already, it's better to just post there. If you're trying to push indian propaganda then this isn't the right audience.
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Nah. When you have a main thread title which just lists the Pakistani viewpoint, its better to have one with Indian viewpoint too.
 
A picture of one of the pilots has been released.

Second pilot has been sent to hospital for treatment.
 
I feel both countries need start a dialogue. End proxy war from BOTH side. Indian here a very naive if they think India doesn't support Baloch insurgents and others.

RAW stop supporting BLA and TTP and Pakistan should destroy LeT. Work together
 
Feel bad for Wing commander Abhinandan. Never good to see such situations.
 
This is a full scale media war going on. Both sets of media houses are trying to out do each other.

Pakistani media is posting pics of 2016 MIG crash and saying they shot down an Indian MIG which crashed in POK.

Indian media is not claiming Pakistan has denied shooting down any planes and calling them all sorts of names.


Then there are videos of IAF jets running away PAF jets.
 
big_gamer007 said:
This is a full scale media war going on. Both sets of media houses are trying to out do each other.

Pakistani media is posting pics of 2016 MIG crash and saying they shot down an Indian MIG which crashed in POK.

Indian media is not claiming Pakistan has denied shooting down any planes and calling them all sorts of names.


Then there are videos of IAF jets running away PAF jets.
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Yeah media war is the worst.

Wish there was a neutral source.

India has to respond to the video released by Pak.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yeah media war is the worst.

Wish there was a neutral source.

India has to respond to the video released by Pak.
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If whats being claimed is true (IAF pilot captured) then Modi and BJP will be under tremendous pressure..

If it is fake propaganda a news which gets exposed then Pakistani media will be embarrassed but both sets of media are shameless so it wouldn't affect anyone.
 
Madplayer said:
Feel bad for Wing commander Abhinandan. Never good to see such situations.
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Feel worse for SIF who has gone off the rails slightly since the Kashmir bombing. Patriotism is no bad thing, but better to keep a cool head and see things as they are, involving official armed forces was always going to escalate matters.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Feel worse for SIF who has gone off the rails slightly since the Kashmir bombing. Patriotism is no bad thing, but better to keep a cool head and see things as they are, involving official armed forces was always going to escalate matters.
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Haha don't worry about me Captain Sahab. :D

My reactions were 100% justified and I have zero regrets regarding it.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Haha don't worry about me Captain Sahab. :D

My reactions were 100% justified and I have zero regrets regarding it.
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Its never good to war monger. Indian war mongers are responsible for this pilot's condition. He has to pay a price for hot headedness of Indians. And what is even worse is that India is rejecting that they lost him.
 
Madplayer said:
Its never good to war monger. Indian war mongers are responsible for this pilot's condition. He has to pay a price for hot headedness of Indians. And what is even worse is that India is rejecting that they lost him.
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Terrorists harboring in Pakistan which attacks Indian forces are responsible. Its funny how people forgetting who started it first and who is the evil. India is only doing self defence, which is its right.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Terrorists harboring in Pakistan which attacks Indian forces are responsible. Its funny how people forgetting who started it first and who is the evil. India is only doing self defence, which is its right.
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India had no right to waltz into Pakistan. You want to eliminate terrorists? Do it. But don't dare step foot in Pakistan. We will respond, and we have quite spectacularly.
 
Greenstorm said:
Will India disown its own pilot ? That will be a new low, even for India.
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Well considering Pakistan set the precedent and disowned hordes of their own men after the Kargil fiasco, maybe Indians feel they need to take that route as well ?
 
Usman Chadda said:
India had no right to waltz into Pakistan. You want to eliminate terrorists? Do it. But don't dare step foot in Pakistan. We will respond, and we have quite spectacularly.
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But those terrorists are residing in Pak, like Bin Laden did once. And Pak govt refuses to act on them. So how should India eliminate them? By blowing pipe from India?

Pakistan deserved every bit of this aggression from India. Even international powers like France, Aust etc. is supporting India and asking Pak to take action.
 
Greenstorm said:
Will India disown its own pilot ? That will be a new low, even for India.
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And how much it will impact on his colleagues who know who is he? What would be there moral that are giving lives for the country who don't even accept them it's citizen.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Well considering Pakistan set the precedent and disowned hordes of their own men after the Kargil fiasco, maybe Indians feel they need to take that route as well ?
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That was a mistake from a fool that was Musharraf. Will you say the same about Modi ?
 
Canford Cliffs said:
But those terrorists are residing in Pak, like Bin Laden did once. And Pak govt refuses to act on them. So how should India eliminate them? By blowing pipe from India?

Pakistan deserved every bit of this aggression from India. Even international powers like France, Aust etc. is supporting India and asking Pak to take action.
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Do whatever you want. Scream how muchever you want. DO. NOT. STEP. INTO. PAKISTAN.

We don't care about you, we don't want you around and we don't like you. You overstep your bounds, and you'll be met with fierce resistance.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Feel worse for SIF who has gone off the rails slightly since the Kashmir bombing. Patriotism is no bad thing, but better to keep a cool head and see things as they are, involving official armed forces was always going to escalate matters.
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all indians show their true color, sooner or later.
 
Here's Abhinandan from a 2011 news report by NDTV.

@2:55

[utube]5ZitItZ8lFk[/utube]
 
Canford Cliffs said:
But those terrorists are residing in Pak, like Bin Laden did once. And Pak govt refuses to act on them. So how should India eliminate them? By blowing pipe from India?

Pakistan deserved every bit of this aggression from India. Even international powers like France, Aust etc. is supporting India and asking Pak to take action.
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So India got what it deserved today..stop repeating the same bull narrative. PM IK offered to take action if evidence is provided but India ran away. Pakistan is not Iraq or Syria and has a well trained army.
 
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Usman Chadda said:
Do whatever you want. Scream how muchever you want. DO. NOT. STEP. INTO. PAKISTAN.

We don't care about you, we don't want you around and we don't like you. You overstep your bounds, and you'll be met with fierce resistance.
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Oh ok...so basically empty rhetorics and no answer.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Terrorists harboring in Pakistan which attacks Indian forces are responsible. Its funny how people forgetting who started it first and who is the evil. India is only doing self defence, which is its right.
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You can continue to lionise your PM and his reckless follies, but this will spell the end for Modi. I can only see an intervention from the USA and allied forces saving him now, as happened with Kargil. If they side with India, then the Indian propaganda might be pushed to allow them to de-escalate with some dignity. Perhaps that was Modi's calculated gamble all along, because otherwise he is surely finished.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Terrorists harboring in Pakistan which attacks Indian forces are responsible. Its funny how people forgetting who started it first and who is the evil. India is only doing self defence, which is its right.
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Lies. Provide the proof or zip it. This thread is a bit of a fail now that both "viewpoints" are the same. India got humbled. The army's should stop here, their fight is over.

Now it's time for the cricket teams to go to war.
 
Yep. That seals the deal.

He was captured.

IAF hasn't made an official statement yet. They will soon I suppose.
 
Usman Chadda said:
You think crossing over to Pakistan is a trivial aspect? That's what your problem is.

Pakistan is denying its involvement in the whole Pulwama affair.
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Dont change the topic. You said Ind can act on terror but should not enter inside Pak. But what they are suppose to do if Jaish camps are based inside Pak and Pak refusing to take action?
 
Shame on Indian media.

Statements from Zee news after DG ISPR briefing:

1) Pakistan is begging for mercy and peace

2) Pakistan is on the backfoot and dont have capability to engage India.

3) Pakistan dont have fuel for Jets thats why they want peace.

4) Pakistan is on its knees begging India for peace.

Ridiculous that they are interpreting calls for peace like this.
 
Sycamore said:
Amazing India has become the laughing stock of the world in under 24 hours. Now they disowned their own pilot. Just WOW.

Here is file of proof /pics

https://imgur.com/a/ZXJM8ba

Video of him at airbase: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=5ZitItZ8lFk

and india just disowned him and have been trying to mislead a population of 1 billion ppl. Feel sad for that pilot, how must his kids wife mother feel :(
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No one has disowned him. lol.

There are no official reports.
 
Also, why Pakistanis are rejoicing so much with 1 soldier being caught? Its a part of any war...that army will get caught or killed. Bottom line is the motive of the war, a strong message that stop terrorism or else we can go to any level for self defence. Even international powehouses like France and Aust are asking Pak to act on terror.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Dont change the topic. You said Ind can act on terror but should not enter inside Pak. But what they are suppose to do if Jaish camps are based inside Pak and Pak refusing to take action?
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We are on the same topic. Pakistan is denying involvement for Pulwama. That means India should enter our airspace?

Get it through your head, you can't just waltz into the airspace of the enemy country on the basis of 'allegations'. Ask this Abhinandan, who is at the mercy of his enemies thanks to the policies of your dumb government.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
No one has disowned him. lol.

There are no official reports.
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Its been hours, and no mention of aircrafts down. No mention of pilots MIA, combine that with india's rhetoric from yesterday, I hope they don't disown, they have been embarrassed enough.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
But those terrorists are residing in Pak, like Bin Laden did once. And Pak govt refuses to act on them. So how should India eliminate them? By blowing pipe from India?

Pakistan deserved every bit of this aggression from India. Even international powers like France, Aust etc. is supporting India and asking Pak to take action.
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You need to drink a glass of water... it will help you to calm down and think clearly...

Yes there was a dreadful act that caused s huge loss of life but IK/Pakistan denied it was from Pakistan.
Indeed the explosives and the vehicle were local and even the kid who carried out the act was local..
So Pakistan asked for evidence from the Indians and said they will act if evidence is provided...

From that the Indian people were whipped into a frenzy and we are we where are now...

Do not talk about who started this without proper evidence.
 
Sycamore said:
Its been hours, and no mention of aircrafts down. No mention of pilots MIA, combine that with india's rhetoric from yesterday, I hope they don't disown, they have been embarrassed enough.
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Even yesterday, when we made out safely, they just gave in basic details and didn't make any comments.

I wish we have someone from our side tweeting about updates but it didn't happen yesterday or today.
 
Usman Chadda said:
We are on the same topic. Pakistan is denying involvement for Pulwama. That means India should enter our airspace?

Get it through your head, you can't just waltz into the airspace of the enemy country on the basis of 'allegations'. Ask this Abhinandan, who is at the mercy of his enemies thanks to the policies of your dumb government.
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Its not about Pak denying....its Jaish who claimed responsibility of the attack. Jaish lives in Pakistan, so shouldnt Pak have interrogated them just to find out if they are guilty or not? The fact that Pak was quick to say, we have nothing to do with Pulwama exposes them more.

Tomorrow if I go on twitter and say I murdered someone, even by joke, the first thing police would do is to interrogate me to be on the safer side.

Pakistan protected terrorists for too long...so much so even Bin Laden was hiding there. So you cant say India attacking Pak....its India fighting as self defence and that is exactly the narrative India is laying infront of UN.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Even yesterday, when we made out safely, they just gave in basic details and didn't make any comments.

I wish we have someone from our side tweeting about updates but it didn't happen yesterday or today.
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Even the most sensible posters have been whipped into a frenzy.
It’s actually quiet sad how the media blatantly makes things up and the people fall for it.

I urge everyone to keep an open mind
 
Is the fighting still going on or did it stop? Pak seems to have the bargaining chip with the pilot
 
IMMY69 said:
You need to drink a glass of water... it will help you to calm down and think clearly...

Yes there was a dreadful act that caused s huge loss of life but IK/Pakistan denied it was from Pakistan.
Indeed the explosives and the vehicle were local and even the kid who carried out the act was local..
So Pakistan asked for evidence from the Indians and said they will act if evidence is provided...

From that the Indian people were whipped into a frenzy and we are we where are now...

Do not talk about who started this without proper evidence.
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India went on that evidence route post 26/11...but what happened? No action and Hafeez Saeed/Lakhvi still roaming freely in Pak. No more proofs for Pak...thanks.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Its not about Pak denying....its Jaish who claimed responsibility of the attack. Jaish lives in Pakistan, so shouldnt Pak have interrogated them just to find out if they are guilty or not? The fact that Pak was quick to say, we have nothing to do with Pulwama exposes them more.

Tomorrow if I go on twitter and say I murdered someone, even by joke, the first thing police would do is to interrogate me to be on the safer side.

Pakistan protected terrorists for too long...so much so even Bin Laden was hiding there. So you cant say India attacking Pak....its India fighting as self defence and that is exactly the narrative India is laying infront of UN.
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All I hear are allegations. The bottomline: you don't waltz into enemy territory based on allegations.

So keep quiet and endure whatever is happening to your reputation right now.

If Pakistan says they have nothing to do with JeM, we Pakistanis will say they have nothing to do with JeM.
 
How delusional do you have to be to lap up the 350 terrorist killed with a payload story WITHOUT any evidence, but deny something with actual proof including a freaking confessional video.
 
Atleast we shouldn't deny that abhinandan is our man, pak has given enough proof.
After seeing photo of one soldier many people have become silent now what will happen if there is a full fledged war.
Stop this already.
Doesn't matter who won or lost.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Even yesterday, when we made out safely, they just gave in basic details and didn't make any comments.

I wish we have someone from our side tweeting about updates but it didn't happen yesterday or today.
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Do you have an ounce of doubt about the Indian version of the story about last night?
 
The other dangerous factor in all this is that we have an incredibly stupid person in the White House, who probably has no idea where either of the 2 countries are. I cant imagine this escalation under either Clinton or Obama or for that matter, Bush junior. The Inds whipped up such a frenzy that they had to do something, whilst in PK, the top leadership has been excellent,but to no avail, hence this escalation.
 
Red Devil said:
How delusional do you have to be to lap up the 350 terrorist killed with a payload story WITHOUT any evidence, but deny something with actual proof including a freaking confessional video.
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Many Indian posters in PP didn't believe the 300 claim.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
India went on that evidence route post 26/11...but what happened? No action and Hafeez Saeed/Lakhvi still roaming freely in Pak. No more proofs for Pak...thanks.
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That is an incredibly naive way of thinking.
You have been brain washed by your media and the chai wala.

I never believed in the conspiracy theories or these false flag attacks but my eyes are being opened to it after the recent events.
 
IMMY69 said:
That is an incredibly naive way of thinking.
You have been brain washed by your media and the chai wala.

I never believed in the conspiracy theories or these false flag attacks but my eyes are being opened to it after the recent events.
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Yeah so brainwashed that the whole world is asking Pak to stop funding terrorists.

We have gone over this a million times.

Repeating a lie 1000 times doesn't make it the truth. When core substance is missing, rhetorics are used.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Dont change the topic. You said Ind can act on terror but should not enter inside Pak. But what they are suppose to do if Jaish camps are based inside Pak and Pak refusing to take action?
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You can do whatever you like.

But once again, DO NOT STEP INTO Pakistan.

Keep repeating it, till it sinks in.
 
IMMY69 said:
That is an incredibly naive way of thinking.
You have been brain washed by your media and the chai wala.

I never believed in the conspiracy theories or these false flag attacks but my eyes are being opened to it after the recent events.
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The only person brainwashed is you. Entire world is asking you guys to hunt down terror camps and you remain in denial. Just read France Govt's tweet.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
We entered once in 2016....now in 2018 and will do same in future if you dont act on terror. Keep repeating...lol
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You are laughing at your soldiers suffering.

Glad to see you got your priorities right.

I can almost imagine you sitting behind the keyboard egging on those who are fighting while you have a smug look on your face.
 
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