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Gwalior (Madhya Pradesh) [India], November 8 (ANI): Eight former Indian Navy officers have been detained in Doha since August 30. Among those detained is retired commander Punendu Tiwari. His sister Dr Meetu Bhargava who lives in Gwalior has sought help from the government to bring her brother back.

Since 30th August, 8 ex-Indian Navy personals were detained by Qatar for espionage charges.

Rumours on Twitter are that they will be hanged. in Qatar thres Capital punishment for espionage .

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">8 Indian ex-navy personnel arrested in Qatar are scheduled to be hanged.<br>- a Pakistani newspaper : these 8 Indians have been arrested based on the intelligence information provided by Turkey and Pakistan.<br> Qatar provides financial support to all terrorist activities in India.</p>— Jupiter 🌍 (@Jupiter4590) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jupiter4590/status/1589642493188255744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Interestingly enough, they won't say why were they arrested?

Most likely espionage.

And if proven guilty in a fair trial and law says to execute them, then do it!
 
Is India now gonna bomb Doha?. Good job by Pak and Turkey!
 
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Interestingly enough, they won't say why were they arrested?

Most likely espionage.

And if proven guilty in a fair trial and law says to execute them, then do it!

Very worrying development.

Doha is about to host the biggest sporting tournament in history. There have been accusations of Indians training and supporting terrorists against Pakistan. I hope there wasnt a plan to attack the World Cup, if so its huge they have been caught and should be rightly hanged if true.
 
Oh dear. Looks like India has been led into a trap here. Forced to choose between east and west, they have thrown their chips in with the west based on religious reasons above pragmatism. But the west believes in the west above all else, and India is in the east.
 
Delhi dispatched a senior official to Doha to lend weight to its embassy’s efforts to secure the release of eight former Indian Navy personnel who have been in Qatari custody since August-end.

The Indian Express has learnt that the official travelled to Doha towards the end of October.

With the eight men still not free — Tuesday marked 71 days in custody — more appeals have surfaced on social media, asking the Prime Minister and Cabinet ministers to speed up efforts for their release.

The appeals point to growing concern among family members that Delhi has still not been able to secure their release.

Over the last 10 days, the government has been in negotiations with the Qatar government, but there’s no word yet of any breakthrough.

Last week, it seemed there were some indications including the grant of a second consular visit — the first visit was last month — that the men might be released within days, but this hope was belied.

Dahra Global Technologies and Consultancy Services, the company at which the eight were employed, was training the Qatari Emiri Navy and providing other services such as logistics and equipment maintenance.

The Indian embassy in Doha became aware of the arrest of the eight in mid-September, about two weeks after they were picked on August 30 by the State Security Bureau, Qatar’s intelligence agency.

At the end of September, the men were allowed to speak to their families on the phone. On October 3, the men were granted consular access — a visit by an official of the embassy. A second consular access was granted in the first week of November.

There is no information yet about the charges against the men. All eight are said to be in solitary confinement, which is unusual punishment, reserved usually for security-related offences.

Doha has jailed Indians in the past, and deported them for various offences. But this particular case has taken Delhi by surprise as it has friendly relations with Doha. The two countries have conducted joint naval exercises.

In the circumstances, the jailing of defence personnel, even if retired and in private employment, and that too a group, is unusual.

A couple of the officers retired from the Navy in the rank of captain, some as commanders. One was a sailor. All had been with the company for 4-6 years. Commander Purnendu Tiwari (retd), the MD of the company, is a recipient of the Pravasi Bharat Samman in 2019.

Owned by a retired Omani Air Force officer, the company was well known to officials of the Indian embassy in Doha. The current ambassador and his predecessor have visited its facilities, and praised and endorsed its work as strengthening relations between India and Qatar.

As reported earlier by The Indian Express, their detention came to light when Twitter user @DrMeetuBhargava appealed to the Prime Minister, Minister for External Affairs and other members of the Cabinet for help on October 27.

Last Sunday, the same Twitter user took to the platform again, this time to say that the “Indian Government need to act immediately, swiftly & walk the talk if they really care about their defence personnel as today is 69th day of the illegal solitary confinement of our senior citizen Navy Veterans (officers) in Doha (Qatar).”

In a second tweet, the user said: “Many of these veterans are suffering from medical ailments because of their age. Delay in their release is causing extreme hardship to these veterans who had served their motherland & hence again plead our Government to kindly expedite their release pl”.

Last month, in a letter to the Indian embassy, while appealing for high-level intervention by the government to secure the release of her husband and the others, the wife of one of the imprisoned men wrote that her husband had been brought to their home in Doha on October 5 with four escorts. He was made to pack a bag and taken away again without being allowed to speak to her.

She also expressed concern about his health, and said family members of all those being held were in distress. She pointed out that the re-employment of Naval officers to train navies of friendly countries is a government-approved practice.

The company’s website, which had information about its engagement with the Qatari navy, and about all its top employees including the arrested persons, has now been scrubbed clean. The website says it is “under maintenance” and “Coming soon”. The company’s LinkedIn profile has also been deleted.

Last week, the spokesperson for the Ministry of External Affairs said efforts were being made for the release of the eight men, and that the Ministry was in touch with their families. He said the detained persons had spoken to the families on a “few occasions”.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...icial-to-doha-no-breakthrough-so-far-8257169/
 
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The Indian authorities are seeking consular access from the Qatari government to eight former naval officers who were detained in Doha, Ministry of External Affairs Spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said.

"Yes, this issue is something that we have been pursuing and talked about it earlier. Our embassy in Doha has been regularly raising the issue with the Qatari authorities. That some family members have recently been permitted to visit their relatives in detention. We are separately seeking further consular access and as soon as we have some updates we will continue to share them," a Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson said at the weekly media briefing.

Mr Bagchi said this in response to queries on detention reports of eight former Indian Navy officers working in Qatar. Eight former Indian Navy officers have been detained in Doha since August 30.

Responding to a question about whether Vice President Jagdeep Dhankhar raised the issue of detained 8 former Indian naval officers during his visit, MEA Spokesperson said "no" further adding, "At the invitation of Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, Emir of the State of Qatar, Vice President Jagdeep Dhankhar visit Qatar to attend the inaugural ceremony of the 2022 FIFA World Cup. As you are aware he had interaction with the Indian community. His program is very short and did not permit structured meetings, however, he did briefly meet the leaders during the meeting."

He firmly clarified that because the visit of Vice President Dhankhar was short, he couldn't have structured meetings with the authorities. "The case of 8 naval officials imprisoned in Doha since August has been pursued but not by the VP during his recent visit to Qatar," an MEA spokesperson added.

Earlier, among 8 former naval officers detained in Doha, retired commander Punendu Tiwari's sister Dr Meetu Bhargava who lives in Gwalior has sought help from the government to bring her brother back.

She told ANI, in the first week of November, "I made a tweet on October 25 and appealed to Prime Minister Narendra Modi to bring back my brother who is in illegal detention in Doha, Qatar. My brother is a retired commander navy officer and he went there to provide training to Qatar Navy through his company Dahra Global Consultancy Services".

"There are a total of eight ex-Indian Navy officers, including my brother lying in illegal detention. They were picked up by the Qatar police during the night on August 30. There were no charges against them. Neither the Qatar government told us nor the Indian government has information about any charges imposed on them," she added.

Mr Tiwari had talked to his mother two weeks ago. He is not healthy at all, he is a senior citizen and suffering from several diseases like diabetes, high blood pressure, and others. It's been 70 days since they were in solitary confinement, she added.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...-8-ex-navy-officers-detained-in-qatar-3550961
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">These Indian naval officers were not just spying for Israel in Qatar they were also planning to attack & disrupt the FIFA World cup games to humiliate the Pak army which is giving the protection.<br>Pakistan should demand access and extradition of these Indian officers to Pakistan. <a href="https://t.co/CJK9dgmWoW">pic.twitter.com/CJK9dgmWoW</a></p>— Zaid Hamid (@ZaidZamanHamid) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/1595876955563368452?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Qatar must roast these India terrorists good and proper. They have to be interrogated as to what exactly there business was. I agree with Zaid here that the aim was a major terrorist attack during the greatest sporting event on earth then frame Pak for it. Qatar has been behaving very Muslim as off late as well as showing guts. The ISI must get involved in this from behind the scenes.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">These Indian naval officers were not just spying for Israel in Qatar they were also planning to attack & disrupt the FIFA World cup games to humiliate the Pak army which is giving the protection.<br>Pakistan should demand access and extradition of these Indian officers to Pakistan. <a href="https://t.co/CJK9dgmWoW">pic.twitter.com/CJK9dgmWoW</a></p>— Zaid Hamid (@ZaidZamanHamid) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/1595876955563368452?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can India be so stupid? I need to hear both sides of the story.
 
Can India be so stupid? I need to hear both sides of the story.

You are posting on Zaid Hamid’s tweet and asking “Can India be so stupid”?

No Indian agency is going to reply to zaid Hamid.
 
Why is the Pakistan army providing protection for a football tournament? Those stadia are hardly Mecca and Medina, which is the only reason the Pakistani army should send men to the Arab world.

Were they the L1 bidder and are happy to be hired by anybody?
 
India Gets 2nd Consular Access To 8 Ex Navy Officers Detained In Qatar

The Ministry of External Affairs today confirmed that India has secured second consular access for its 8 ex-Navy officers who are in detention in Qatar.

Speaking at the weekly media briefing, MEA spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said, "The update that I have is today we got our second consular access, our Embassy officials were able to meet the detainees and ascertain their well-being and of course, we will continue to extend all possible consular assistance in this case."

Notably, some of their family members were not able to go to Doha because they have not got visas.

"Let me reiterate what we have been saying, we have, we are seized of the matter, and our Embassy is actively pursuing this case. You mentioned the family members not being allowed visas, we are trying to facilitate that. I understand family members who are in Doha have been able to go there. We are trying to facilitate those who are here to go," said Mr Bagchi.

Eight former Indian Navy officers are detained in Doha since August 30.

India is regularly responding to the case of ex-Indian Navy officers arrested in Qatar as the embassy is actively pursuing the issue.

Earlier, External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar said that the Indian side is constantly in touch with the government of Qatar, as he assured the officers are a priority for the country.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ind...-8-ex-navy-officers-detained-in-qatar-3648101
 
After eight months in custody facing serious espionage charges, eight Indian naval officers are now facing a potential death sentence in Qatar. The officials, who have worked at various positions in Indian Navy, are accused of spying for Israel.

The accused have been identified as working for the Indian intelligence agency, RAW. They were reportedly caught carrying out espionage activities in Qatar.

According to the country's investigative agency, these officials provided Israel details of Qatar's secret programme to buy advanced submarines from Italy.

The chief executive officer of a private defence company and the head of international military operations of Qatar have also been arrested in the same case. All eight officers of the Indian Navy were also employed in the same company.

The accused are set to face serious charges, including the possibility of death penalty, at their upcoming court hearing on May 3.

Qatar has strict laws against national security, espionage and disclosure of national secrets, punishable by death.

The Indian politicians on the other hand are accused of attempting to cover up the issue, but it appears to be a futile effort.

The Indian nationals have been held in custody in Qatar for eight months on serious espionage charges but Indian officials are yet to talk to their Qatari counterparts over the potential sentencing.

Qatari authorities said that they have technical evidence supporting the allegations.

While the Qatari government has taken a strong stance on espionage and security matters, the Indian leadership has not publicly addressed the issue or engaged in high-level talks with their Qatari counterparts regarding the punishment or release of the imprisoned officers.

Despite efforts by Indian politicians to cover up the issue, the imprisonment of the eight Indian Navy officers in Qatar for espionage, much like the arrest of Kulbhushan Jadhav in Pakistan, has become a source of international embarrassment for the neighbouring country.

Express Tribune
 
I doubt that Qatar is stupid enough to hang Indian spies even if the allegations are true. They gain nothing from this. This will dent the relationship between both nations severely.
I feel Qatar are just posturing and showing off.
 
I doubt that Qatar is stupid enough to hang Indian spies even if the allegations are true. They gain nothing from this. This will dent the relationship between both nations severely.
I feel Qatar are just posturing and showing off.

Qatar loses nothing but the cheap labor if they do. The gesture will send a strong message for the future.
 
Qatar loses nothing but the cheap labor if they do. The gesture will send a strong message for the future.

Qatar makes an enemy out of a nuclear powered nation which is also the 5th largest economy. How does that help them?

Btw the report is from a Pakistani newspaper. So unless its widely reported by others i would hold my horses.
 
Qatar makes an enemy out of a nuclear powered nation which is also the 5th largest economy. How does that help them?

Btw the report is from a Pakistani newspaper. So unless its widely reported by others i would hold my horses.

They have held them for months and nuclear powered nation and 5th largest economy hasn't even been able to phone and ask for their welfare.
 
Qatar makes an enemy out of a nuclear powered nation which is also the 5th largest economy. How does that help them?

Btw the report is from a Pakistani newspaper. So unless its widely reported by others i would hold my horses.

Apparently, the Indian Navy officials were retired and kidnapped from Saudi Arabia, where they had set up their own businesses.
 
Qatar loses nothing but the cheap labor if they do. The gesture will send a strong message for the future.

That's ignorant talk. India imports 10 bil from Qatar and exports only 1.5 bil. Any risk of falling out will hit Qatar than on India. However, Middle East is imp to India and a few sailors won't be the reason for a fallout in diplomatic relations. Qatar is also imp for India to maintain good relations with Taliban and possibly TTP. Seven ex navy men won't dent it.
 
Qatar makes an enemy out of a nuclear powered nation which is also the 5th largest economy. How does that help them?

Qatar can find another buyer for their gas easily, and find cheap labour from elsewhere even more easily.

They are the alpha, your Modi "Ji" is the beta. One word from them and Modi will suspend his own party people and call them fringe elements. 20 Indians trapped in death row and your Modi "Ji" can't do anything whatsoever.
 
I'm surprised this isn't in the news more. It's embarrassing to actually get caught.
 
Modi has failed to raise his voice.

Even the Indian opposition is going after him for it.

You can blame the Pakistani press all you like.

First you say that India didn't enquire about their welfare. When thats proven wrong, you shift the goal post.

If these people spied for Israel as alleged by Qataris they did it at their own risk. India or the Indian government can only make sure that they are not punished for something they didn't do.
 
Qatar can find another buyer for their gas easily, and find cheap labour from elsewhere even more easily.

They are the alpha, your Modi "Ji" is the beta. One word from them and Modi will suspend his own party people and call them fringe elements. 20 Indians trapped in death row and your Modi "Ji" can't do anything whatsoever.

India can buy gas from Russia and Indians can find jobs in other countries also.

If these people spied for Israel, why should Modi do anything. His job is to make sure these guys aren't punished if they are innocent.

US and EU cannot bend Modi but some small Arab state will. :))
 
Ok so Indians caught spying on a friendly country and we have chest-beating here as if it's a karnama!
 
That's ignorant talk. India imports 10 bil from Qatar and exports only 1.5 bil. Any risk of falling out will hit Qatar than on India. However, Middle East is imp to India and a few sailors won't be the reason for a fallout in diplomatic relations. Qatar is also imp for India to maintain good relations with Taliban and possibly TTP. Seven ex navy men won't dent it.

India has forged far deeper relationship with UAE and Saudis who are actual leaders of the middle east. Qatar itself was sanctioned by Saudis and UAE few years back.
 
India has forged far deeper relationship with UAE and Saudis who are actual leaders of the middle east. Qatar itself was sanctioned by Saudis and UAE few years back.
You are correct, and UAE/Saudi have realised that there are economic gains to be made by opening the trade corridor with India on the macro scale and capitalise on the sheer volume of Indian population that reside there.

However, the ground reality for the common Indian is very similar to a Pakistani in these countries. If Pakistanis are popular in taxi/truck/delivery riding, Indians make up majority of the menial positions in offices. The salary scales are similar. And there are no special privileges of an Indian over a Pakistani or any other nationality.
 
India has forged far deeper relationship with UAE and Saudis who are actual leaders of the middle east. Qatar itself was sanctioned by Saudis and UAE few years back.

Qatar stood up to others and all the other Gulf States are now, magically, their friends.

They did not back down.

The amount of financial clout Qatar holds is at par with the other states. You need to visit Doha to see how advanced they are and the World Cup gave them the world standing that other nations envy.
 
You are correct, and UAE/Saudi have realised that there are economic gains to be made by opening the trade corridor with India on the macro scale and capitalise on the sheer volume of Indian population that reside there.

However, the ground reality for the common Indian is very similar to a Pakistani in these countries. If Pakistanis are popular in taxi/truck/delivery riding, Indians make up majority of the menial positions in offices. The salary scales are similar. And there are no special privileges of an Indian over a Pakistani or any other nationality.

I disagree with the second part. Atleast in UAE Indians and Pakistanis are not on the same turf. Plenty of Indians hold white collar positions. Infact Dubai has lately become a favoured destination for Indian doctors as well.

What i have also learnt that in last few years UAE govts treatment of Indian citizens has been far better than how they treat Pakistanis or BD or fillipinos etc. There has been a marked shift.
 
Qatar stood up to others and all the other Gulf States are now, magically, their friends.

They did not back down.

The amount of financial clout Qatar holds is at par with the other states. You need to visit Doha to see how advanced they are and the World Cup gave them the world standing that other nations envy.

Qatar had to literally bring Kuwait Oman and the US combined with a Covid led oil prices crash to get the diplomatic relations restored.

Qatari gdp is one fourth of Saudi and half of UAE. Ofcourse Qatar started a soft power projection program long back. Saudi has just started working on that.

But Dubai and now a days Abu Dhabi are far ahead. Infact many Indians these days are snapping up properties in UAE instead of places like London. It has become the preferred destination. The safety, the 2mn dirham investment related (correct me if i am wrong) golden visa, great infrastructure, connectivity, jobs, treatment of Indians recently has made UAE a favourite.

You would be surprised that many of my friends and family are buying properties in UAE instead of London and Singapore.

I will not go into how Dubai has been a favourite place of white expats.

Bahrain is emerging as another destination. Though i have little idea about the place.
 
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India can buy gas from Russia and Indians can find jobs in other countries also.

If these people spied for Israel, why should Modi do anything. His job is to make sure these guys aren't punished if they are innocent.

US and EU cannot bend Modi but some small Arab state will. :))

That small Arab state hosted the Fifa World Cup. Modi can't even host the press conference. :91: :inti
 
First you say that India didn't enquire about their welfare. When thats proven wrong, you shift the goal post.

If these people spied for Israel as alleged by Qataris they did it at their own risk. India or the Indian government can only make sure that they are not punished for something they didn't do.

No goal post are being shifted. India has basically had no response while Qatar has kept their ex service men under lock and key.

The full charges haven't even been released to India.
 
Why is the Pakistan army providing protection for a football tournament? Those stadia are hardly Mecca and Medina, which is the only reason the Pakistani army should send men to the Arab world.

Were they the L1 bidder and are happy to be hired by anybody?

I think you should be asking this question of your ex servicemen first :))
 
Qatar makes an enemy out of a nuclear powered nation which is also the 5th largest economy. How does that help them?

Btw the report is from a Pakistani newspaper. So unless its widely reported by others i would hold my horses.

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/8-ex-navy-men-face-death-for-spying-in-qatar-500888


New Delhi, April 25

Sacked by their Qatari employers, eight veterans of the Indian Navy, kept in solitary confinement in Doha since August last year, face stringent charges, including the death penalty, at the next court hearing on May 3.

Charges have also been framed against two Qataris, including former Oman Air Force officer Khamis al-Ajmi, who is also the CEO of Dahra Global which had employed them for a super-secret project to build Italian technology-based midget submarines with stealth characteristics. Qatar’s Head of International Military Operations, Maj Gen Tariq Khalid Al Obaidly, is the other Qatari national to be charged.

The eight former Indian Navy personnel have been charged with spying for Israel with the Qatari authorities said to be in possession of electronic evidence in this regard. “We are engaged with the Qatari authorities. Our embassy in Doha continues to remain in touch with the families. The next day of the hearing is in early May. We are trying to see what can be done before that in connection with that hearing,” MEA spokesperson Arindam Bagchi had said when queried about the developments in this regard.

Dahra Global Technologies had employed a large number of former Indian Navy personnel to work on the project. All of them have been informed that the company is closing down from May 31 and have been offered a severance package. With no salaries in future to pay for legal expenses, the MEA said it was making “all efforts to assist these Indians”.

“This is now in the legal process. Let me emphasise that we are making all efforts to assist these Indians who were detained and we are also extending consular assistance as well as legal assistance as part of the legal process that is underway,” Bagchi had reiterated. The Indian Embassy is also facilitating regular visits to the family members and providing consular and legal assistance to the detained eight men.

Those charged

Capt Navtej Singh Gill
Capt Birendra Kumar Verma
Capt Saurabh Vasisht
Cdr Amit Nagpal
Cdr Purnendu Tiwari
Cdr Sugunakar Pakala
Cdr Sanjeev Gupta
Sailor Ragesh

Making efforts to assist them: MEA

Kept in solitary confinement in Doha since August last year
Navy veterans have been charged with spying for Israel
Qatar said to be in possession of electronic evidence
Charges also framed against 2 Qataris, hearing on May 3
MEA says making ‘all efforts to assist these Indians’
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">These Indian naval officers were not just spying for Israel in Qatar they were also planning to attack & disrupt the FIFA World cup games to humiliate the Pak army which is giving the protection.<br>Pakistan should demand access and extradition of these Indian officers to Pakistan. <a href="https://t.co/CJK9dgmWoW">pic.twitter.com/CJK9dgmWoW</a></p>— Zaid Hamid (@ZaidZamanHamid) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/1595876955563368452?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

When did Zaid Hamid became such a credible person that he is being quoted :)))

He is a self proclaimed defence analyst and the biggest lunatic we have
 
Hopefully these 8 guys are hanged for spying, and pakistan also develops the guts to do the same with indian spies
 
No goal post are being shifted. India has basically had no response while Qatar has kept their ex service men under lock and key.

The full charges haven't even been released to India.

Who told you India has had no response?

There has been regular consular access. The external affairs ministry has confirmed this. If some Indian has been accused of any crime, Indian government's job is to make sure he gets a free and fair trial. And government is providing all legal help.

What has transpired between India and Qatar is known to them only.
 
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How come Indians are so easy to be labelled as spies? Or is it that they get caught very easily with all the evidence needed to find them guilty of spying?

It has to be one of the two..
 
Who told you India has had no response?

There has been regular consular access. The external affairs ministry has confirmed this. If some Indian has been accused of any crime, Indian government's job is to make sure he gets a free and fair trial. And government is providing all legal help.

What has transpired between India and Qatar is known to them only.

It is strange to see andhbhakhts who were jumping up and down when Atiq was shot dead are now demanding free and fair trial for Indians in another country. Why are you guys hypocrites? :inti
 
So they were spying for Israel?
What does india get out of this?

I see nobody has answered this. Not surprised really, it is absolute lunacy for India to be taking sides with israel if they have such important trade ties with Qatar. Yet the hindutvas are dancing up and down defending their spies without asking the question, why were they passing classified information from a trade partner to israel?
 
Very serious crimes.

Qatar will want to set an example, it does not care about India's nuclear weapons or economic size due to population.

Spying for Israel with the possibility of intel for terrorist attacks deserve nothing less than being hanged.

I suspect India will send some officials to pick up the bodies.
 
I see nobody has answered this. Not surprised really, it is absolute lunacy for India to be taking sides with israel if they have such important trade ties with Qatar. Yet the hindutvas are dancing up and down defending their spies without asking the question, why were they passing classified information from a trade partner to israel?

Israel will always be more important than Qatar.

Qatari oil is easily replaceable. They are not even among top 5 of India''s suppliers

Israel is a strategic and defence partner. Far more valuable than Qatar.
 
Israel will always be more important than Qatar.

Qatari oil is easily replaceable. They are not even among top 5 of India''s suppliers

Israel is a strategic and defence partner. Far more valuable than Qatar.

We know you support BJP RSS, Indian troops abuses in Kashmir and other Hindu extremist crimes because they are Hindu Indians.

But why you are upset Qatar is following its laws and will take action against spies who were helping terrorism in their land?

Wake up , nobody is scared of India esp not Arabs who conquered the land easily in history.
 
India will not “put pressure on Qatar” or interfere but is keeping a “close watch”, on the Qatari legal process that is currently underway for the eight detained former Indian Navy personnel in the Gulf country, Official Spokesperson of the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) Arindam Bagchi said on Thursday. Elaborating on the Indian position regarding the personnel who have been in the custody of Qatar for the last eight months, Mr. Bagchi said the hearing in the case has commenced and that India has asked for another round of consular access to the men.

“As regards...Jairam Ramesh- ji’s comment, I usually do not comment on that. We should put pressure on Qatar, you said? I am very worried to take that route. If I were to extrapolate that, it would be as if, if a country has good relations with India, their nationals would not be subject to our laws. I don’t think that’s the line that we want to take,” Mr. Bagchi said in response to a question, adding, “I don’t think good relations would come in the way of legal process.” The answer follows a hard-hitting statement by the Congress on Thursday asking the Centre to explain to the “families and the people of India” why Qatar has been holding eight former Indian Navy personnel in its custody for eight months.

“Is the Prime Minister reluctant to put pressure on Qatar because its sovereign wealth fund is a major investor in Adani Electricity in Mumbai? Is that why the relatives of the imprisoned ex-Naval personnel are running from pillar to post for answers? Given the time elapsed, the Congress party urges the government to explain to the families and the people of India why our ex-servicemen are being treated in this manner,” Congress’ communications chief Jairam Ramesh said. Mr Ramesh drew attention to the fact that the Modi government had “invested greatly in the India-Qatar relationship” and that both External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar and National Security Adviser Ajit Doval have visited Qatar multiple times over the past few years, and asked, “Why is the Indian Government still unable to either ascertain the facts of the case or to reassure the ex-Naval personnel and their families that justice will be done?”


Mr. Bagchi presented a factual situation of the case and said: “We understand te case has been referred to the court by the public prosecution. The first hearing was held on the 29th of March, which was also attended by the defence lawyer appointed for the case as well as by our officials. Our embassy continues to remain in touch with the families of the detained Indian nationals and also extending necessary consular as well as legal assistance. We have also requested for another round of consular access. Government attaches high priority to the matter and remains engaged with the Qatari authorities regarding the case. I don’t think the charges have yet been opened. The legal process is underway and we will keep a close watch on that.”

The former Indian Navy officers — Captain Navtej Singh Gill, Captain Birendra Kumar Verma, Captain Saurabh Vasisht, Commander Amit Nagpal, Commander Purnendu Tiwari, Commander Sugunakar Pakala, Commander Sanjeev Gupta and Sailor Ragesh — were arrested by Qatari intelligence service from Doha on August 30, 2022. Qatar has thrice granted consular access to the captive former officials, who were reportedly employed by Dahra Global Technologies and Consultancy Services, which works with the Qatari defence forces.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...y-personnel-congress/article66705701.ece/amp/


The Indian position is very clear. And no amount of pakistani media propoganda is going to take any affect.
 
We know you support BJP RSS, Indian troops abuses in Kashmir and other Hindu extremist crimes because they are Hindu Indians.

But why you are upset Qatar is following its laws and will take action against spies who were helping terrorism in their land?

Wake up , nobody is scared of India esp not Arabs who conquered the land easily in history.

Nobody cares about what the pakistani narrative on India is. Ask Imran Khan. He will tell you.
 
Very serious crimes.

Qatar will want to set an example, it does not care about India's nuclear weapons or economic size due to population.

Spying for Israel with the possibility of intel for terrorist attacks deserve nothing less than being hanged.

I suspect India will send some officials to pick up the bodies.

Terrorist attacks? Lol. :))

The imagination of some :)))
 
Nobody cares about what the pakistani narrative on India is. Ask Imran Khan. He will tell you.

Terrorist attacks? Lol. :))

The imagination of some :)))

You care as you're on here daily reading Pakistani views.

What were they spying for Israel for? To send recipes of Qatari vegetarian meals to their Zionist masters?

I hope they are hanged in pubic, live on India TV :)
 
It is strange to see andhbhakhts who were jumping up and down when Atiq was shot dead are now demanding free and fair trial for Indians in another country. Why are you guys hypocrites? :inti

Sir Atiq is a Deshbhakt and the rest are all Andhbhakts :))

If Qatar has overwhelming evidence against Indians, then they can hang them. They do not have to listen to Indian whining. Nobody is stopping them.
 
You care as you're on here daily reading Pakistani views.

What were they spying for Israel for? To send recipes of Qatari vegetarian meals to their Zionist masters?

I hope they are hanged in pubic, live on India TV :)

Lol. Reading something doesn't mean caring. Knowledge is always important.

If you would have read about the case you would know what they have been accused of. Now go read.

You can keep hoping like you hope Kashmir valley will be in Pakistan. But you can't do anything as the Indian flag flies in Srinagar.
 
Sir Atiq is a Deshbhakt and the rest are all Andhbhakts :))

If Qatar has overwhelming evidence against Indians, then they can hang them. They do not have to listen to Indian whining. Nobody is stopping them.

If they indeed spied for Israel then they did it at their own risk and personal gains.
 
Israel will always be more important than Qatar.

Qatari oil is easily replaceable. They are not even among top 5 of India''s suppliers

Israel is a strategic and defence partner. Far more valuable than Qatar.

Why is israel a strategic or defence partner as opposed to Qatar? There is no geographical connection so I am struggling to understand.
 
If they indeed spied for Israel then they did it at their own risk and personal gains.

Don't be sily, they would have done it on behalf of their country. Which is India. You just said India considers israel as a strategic and defence partner. You don't think there would be a govt initiative following your own logic?
 
Qatar is warming up to UAE and is at good (not excellent) relations with Saudi Arabia. I dont believe Qatar will actually execute them as the KSA/UAE will probably intervene and request to get them released.
 
What i have also learnt that in last few years UAE govts treatment of Indian citizens has been far better than how they treat Pakistanis or BD or fillipinos etc. There has been a marked shift.

Not exactly true. While sometimes work visas are restricted for PK/BD or Africans and certain Arabs, Indians generally dont have issues getting visas neither do Filipinos, that is the main difference wrt rules

However in terms of treatment it is still similar, and your average UAE Arab treats all sub-continentals the same, neither good nor bad. It is a transactional business like relationship.
 
Not exactly true. While sometimes work visas are restricted for PK/BD or Africans and certain Arabs, Indians generally dont have issues getting visas neither do Filipinos, that is the main difference wrt rules

However in terms of treatment it is still similar, and your average UAE Arab treats all sub-continentals the same, neither good nor bad. It is a transactional business like relationship.

I am not talking about the avg uae guy but more about the government authorities.
 
Qatar is warming up to UAE and is at good (not excellent) relations with Saudi Arabia. I dont believe Qatar will actually execute them as the KSA/UAE will probably intervene and request to get them released.

If these guys indeed spied for Israel, should India burn precious diplomatic capital to get them released?

If they didn't spy and this was a set up. Then ofcourse its a different thing and in that case Qatar too would have to think a few times.
 
Don't be sily, they would have done it on behalf of their country. Which is India. You just said India considers israel as a strategic and defence partner. You don't think there would be a govt initiative following your own logic?

India put these people to spy for Israel?

What Logic!!!!!

Strategic partners share intelligence...they don't share spies.
 
Qatar had to literally bring Kuwait Oman and the US combined with a Covid led oil prices crash to get the diplomatic relations restored.

Qatari gdp is one fourth of Saudi and half of UAE. Ofcourse Qatar started a soft power projection program long back. Saudi has just started working on that.

Here are some facts. I know about the blockade better than anyone else in this forum for certain reasons

1) The blockade was a result of MBZ's (UAE President) personal grudge and jealousy vs Qatar. MBS followed as he liked MBZ as a mentor, and Egypt did for financial gains while Bahrain had tiffs with Qatar for half a century

2) In the initial days, a whole list of demands were made to Qatar to fulfil before the blockade could be lifted. Go back and check how many of the demands have been fulfilled by Qatar, clue: not more than 1 or 2, that itself proves who "won"

3) The UAE hoped to instigate the Saudis into military action as well followed by replacing the Emir with a distant relative exiled in UAE, but failed as top American military officials briefed Trump on how messy it would get with an actual war, and Trump stopped MBZ. If you recall he tweeted in favor of the blockade.

4) Once none of the quartets demands were met they looked like idiots. In UAE it was actually illegal to wear Barcelonas shirt with Qatar Airways named as the sponsor and UAE shops used to sell Barca shirts without the sponsor. If you wore the QA version you would be warned/arrested by CID.

5) Dubai as an Emirate did not support the blockade, but as with all foreign policy issues in the UAE, Abu Dhabi bulldozed its decision over the other Shaikhs including Dubai Shaikh. Dubai actually lost a lot financially due to the blockade

6) One of the biggest reasons the blockade was lifted in 2021 was financial. The world cup was coming (UAE actually wanted the world cup to be revoked from Qatar or shared but Fifa refused).
Many of the hundreds of thousands of football fans visiting for the WC went via or stayed in Dubai. That is billions of dirhams in revenue which they would have lost if they kept the blockade going.

7) Either ways the Saudis didnt actually dislike Qatar, even in the UAE it was only Abu Dhabi which had a feud going on with it (going back 150 years ago as well). Thus such an unnatural blockade thankfully came to an end and everyone ended up a winner
 
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Another interesting tidbit: the blockade was instigated by MBZ but he isnt the architect of the idea, it was a very prominent western ex-politician, and also one of MBZ's closest advisors who gave him the idea.
 
Why is israel a strategic or defence partner as opposed to Qatar? There is no geographical connection so I am struggling to understand.

When did geographical connection make allies? Israel has been a better ally to India after Russia,France who are also far away.

Japan Skorea UK AUS Can are great allies of US, heck Pakistan was the closest US ally for the longest time.
 
Qatar has the highest GDP per Capita in the world, and to think they care about the Trillion Dollar Indian economy.

Ha to the Ha!

Remember, Indians are flocking to the ME, not the other way round.

Hang the Indian infiltrators! Make an example of them!
 
They are simply criminals and India should not have any qualms if they are dealt as per local law, just like all other Indian expats would expect to be
 
Dont think Indians will create half the bruhaha over this as they did with that other dude rotting in jail who got caught in balochistan. They know they will burn a lot of diplomatic credit if they try to free these guys. Qatar will probably end up hanging them soon, and I think Pakistan should do the same with the guy they are holding.
 
When did geographical connection make allies? Israel has been a better ally to India after Russia,France who are also far away.

Japan Skorea UK AUS Can are great allies of US, heck Pakistan was the closest US ally for the longest time.

So if it's not geographical alliance what is it based on? Why do Indian posters get so coy about this, I mean it's not like we can't see who you guys choose as your governing politicians.
 
Who told you India has had no response?

There has been regular consular access. The external affairs ministry has confirmed this. If some Indian has been accused of any crime, Indian government's job is to make sure he gets a free and fair trial. And government is providing all legal help.

What has transpired between India and Qatar is known to them only.


How much access do you think is being given on a spying case? The Qataris have not even revealed the charges to India for 8 months.

I am judging this by Indian media and opposition leaders who are angry at Modis toothless response.

Its all good and well people like you ranting about nuclear power, economy and your imaginary friends buying properties in the ME.

That doesn't change the fact that Indian army men are lying in a jail abroad for 8 months.
 
So if it's not geographical alliance what is it based on? Why do Indian posters get so coy about this, I mean it's not like we can't see who you guys choose as your governing politicians.

It’s based on who is a good ally to India, I gave you other examples Russia, France not close to India geographically either.

India’s relationship with its allies are at-least better than UK and Pakistan with their allies which explains why you are having issues understanding India and its choice of allies.
 
That's ignorant talk. India imports 10 bil from Qatar and exports only 1.5 bil. Any risk of falling out will hit Qatar than on India. However, Middle East is imp to India and a few sailors won't be the reason for a fallout in diplomatic relations. Qatar is also imp for India to maintain good relations with Taliban and possibly TTP. Seven ex navy men won't dent it.

Explain what is it that Qatar can’t get from somewhere else which Indians export besides cheap labor? Now go ahead India and tell Qatar that if you hung the lowlife insects, we will sever the ties and get the petroleum from somewhere else while Russia also recently announced that it would lower its oil production by 500,000 barrels per day until the end of this year. Iran is busy building ties with SA and will not even think to entertain Sanghis.

I don’t expect a proper reply anyway. Read your own ignorant post yourself. While your mind was wandering during your reply, you answered your own question. Ind can not afford to lose precious oil supply for a growing economy while everyone is busy cutting oil production.
 
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It’s based on who is a good ally to India, I gave you other examples Russia, France not close to India geographically either.

India’s relationship with its allies are at-least better than UK and Pakistan with their allies which explains why you are having issues understanding India and its choice of allies.

Russian alliance would have some geographical conotations. France is I assume based on trade benefits. What is the mutual benefit of Indians sending work force to Gulf countries then using them to spy for Israel?
 
How much access do you think is being given on a spying case? The Qataris have not even revealed the charges to India for 8 months.

I am judging this by Indian media and opposition leaders who are angry at Modis toothless response.

Its all good and well people like you ranting about nuclear power, economy and your imaginary friends buying properties in the ME.

That doesn't change the fact that Indian army men are lying in a jail abroad for 8 months.

First of all they are retired men. They have no connection with Indian government at present. Whatever they did or didn't do was in their private capacity.

The response of govt of India is very clear and the external affairs ministry spokesman has already given its statement. I have posted the response above.

In any functional democracy its the opposition's job to criticize the government on every issue or non issue.
 
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Qatar isn't even among top 5 oil suppliers to India.

Russia
SA
Iraq
UAE
USA

These are the top 5 suppliers. Next are the likes of Kuwait Nigeria etc. Its laughable that if Qatari oil doesn't come India will suffer.


Iran last month Only urged India to buy Iranian oil. Saudi Arabia is building very deep relationship with India, Modi was awarded the highest Saudi honour.

Its hilarious to say that Iran won't work with India because Iran is building relationships with Saudi.

India doesn't depend on credit and credit roll overs to buy oil. So it has wide choices. Something some people here won't understand.
 
Qatar isn't even among top 5 oil suppliers to India.

Russia
SA
Iraq
UAE
USA

These are the top 5 suppliers. Next are the likes of Kuwait Nigeria etc. Its laughable that if Qatari oil doesn't come India will suffer.

:abbas1

All ME countries != oil

Qatar's primary export is LNG, not oil. Qatar's LNG accounts for more than 40-50% of India's total LNG imports.

At least know the basics before commenting.
 
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