Qatar World Cup construction 'will leave 4,000 migrant workers dead'

[lilFlip]

Qatar World Cup construction 'will leave 4,000 migrant workers dead'

Qatar's construction frenzy ahead of the 2022 World Cup is on course to cost the lives of at least 4,000 migrant workers before a ball is kicked, the International Trade Union Confederation (ITUC) has claimed.

The group has been scrutinising builders' deaths in the Gulf emirate for the past two years and said that at least half a million extra workers from countries including Nepal, India and Sri Lanka are expected to flood in to complete stadiums, hotels and infrastructure in time for the World Cup kickoff.

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/sep/26/qatar-world-cup-migrant-workers-dead

Shocking.

They are treating these poor people as slaves. The bring them in, get their passports and they don't pay them.

Shame on Qatar, the whole Arab community and FIFA.

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/sep/25/qatar-nepalese-workers-poverty-camps

 

[LongHorn]

Oh no, a Qatar world cup is a world cup for Muslims. They are spreading propaganda as they do not want a Muslim country to host the cup

 

[in_cutter]

Im sure FIFA knew how Arabs work when it comes to construction (Dubai). I heard people on the radio debates saying they will not watch the WC or go there- I get a sense that a lot of it is sour grapes. Otherwise, do they really care about working conditions in the Arab world?

 

[PakistanKnight]

These Arabs are very cruel. They cal people,take their passports,pay them less and they may lose their lives.
Burn Khalifa was also created after deaths of many people.

 

[mithun_minhas]

These Arabs are very cruel. They cal people,take their passports,pay them less and they may lose their lives.
Burn Khalifa was also created after deaths of many people.

Yet people lineup in queues to work as manual day laborers and other menial jobs in Middle East at the first opportunity. Most of them are illiterate or very poorly educated. Some even get fake documents to get there. They all get exploited.

Arabs know the desperation of subcontinent people. They are exploiting it.

Our people and Govts do nothing to improve the lives of people in our countries. It will continue as long as there is extra surplus population in subcontinent.

 

[RickyG]

A disgusting terrorist funding country. These Arab countries rich on their oil money are buying everything they can. Does anyone really think that the corrupt FIFA and voting members of other countries did not receive any special favors from Qatar for allowing them to host this world cup? Oh and FIFA doesn't care about poor Nepalis dying. Their main concern is filling their own pockets. It will be the most glamorous world cup ever because of the money that will be thrown at it but it will be played on graves of the poor labor that died trying to bring it together. It will be hosted in a country that has no sporting tradition. It will be hosted in a country that openly funds terrorism and wahhabi ideology. Just remember this as you cheer on your favorite teams.

And no this is not a propaganda against a Muslim country. But Muslims and their delusions know no bounds when it comes to making conspiracy theories.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

It was a wrong decision to give World Cup to Qatar... They no sporting history when it comes to Football. There are only 2 million people in that country. The games should be held in countries were football is popular and a country which have a proper football team.

 

[Energetic]

It was a wrong decision to give World Cup to Qatar... They no sporting history when it comes to Football. There are only 2 million people in that country. The games should be held in countries were football is popular and a country which have a proper football team.

It was shocking Qatar won the bid over the likes of England, Australia, USA etc. But the clear reason was the money which FIFA simply couldn't let go by. So maybe not ICC aren't the only corrupt sporting organisation out there.

 

[Nostalgic]

You know the Muslim Ummah is cursed when God not only puts the Najdis/Tamimis in control of the Holy sites, he also gives them obscene amounts of wealth. The Qatari royals, like their cousins in crime to the south, are from Nejd, and are bona fide Wahabis

 

[Yossarian]

It was a wrong decision to give World Cup to Qatar... They no sporting history when it comes to Football. There are only 2 million people in that country. The games should be held in countries were football is popular and a country which have a proper football team.

Apparently, most, if not all of the Fifa executives who voted for Qatar discovered that they, or their relatives, won big lottery prizes even though they had not bought any lottery tickets and no one had previously (or since) ever even heard of these lotteries. Amazing!

Now that everyone realises it's too hot to play in Qatar in the summer, Fifa and UEFA are considering moving the World Cup to December or January when the weather in Qatar will be much cooler. More lottery wins coming up me thinks!

(Although those countries that lost the bid to Qatar are most likely, this very minute, discussing the situation with their lawyers considering that, had Qatar originally proposed a December/January World Cup, Qatar's bid would'nt even have been looked at no matter how big the lottery prizes on offer)

 

[Markhor]

A disgusting terrorist funding country. These Arab countries rich on their oil money are buying everything they can. Does anyone really think that the corrupt FIFA and voting members of other countries did not receive any special favors from Qatar for allowing them to host this world cup? Oh and FIFA doesn't care about poor Nepalis dying. Their main concern is filling their own pockets. It will be the most glamorous world cup ever because of the money that will be thrown at it but it will be played on graves of the poor labor that died trying to bring it together. It will be hosted in a country that has no sporting tradition. It will be hosted in a country that openly funds terrorism and wahhabi ideology. Just remember this as you cheer on your favorite teams.

And no this is not a propaganda against a Muslim country. But Muslims and their delusions know no bounds when it comes to making conspiracy theories.

Exactly, Qatar is another oil-rich Arab country that's lucky its sitting on the black gold. Its built its wealth on the backs of the most desperate and poorest migrant labour.

I wish people would stop going on about 'western sour grapes' and such - for God's sake there was VIDEO evidence of improprieties regarding the 2022 World Cup bidding.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

Oh no, a Qatar world cup is a world cup for Muslims. They are spreading propaganda as they do not want a Muslim country to host the cup

are you trying to be funny? because you are NOT.

 

[LongHorn]

are you trying to be funny? because you are NOT.

Its not being funny; I am merely articulating what many people think like, including some of my friends

 

[James]

Pretty shameful stuff all round.

 

[Cracket]

Yeah I posted the same article in the other thread praising that Qatar stadium video. I wouldn't want to enter it knowing poor workers have died because of it.

Maybe this was acceptable back in the day with Pyramids and Taj Mahal, but not anymore.

 

[lilFlip]

Yeah I posted the same article in the other thread praising that Qatar stadium video. I wouldn't want to enter it knowing poor workers have died because of it.

Maybe this was acceptable back in the day with Pyramids and Taj Mahal, but not anymore.

Oh, I didn't see that thread.

and you are absolutely right man. Times have changed, elite can't exploit the poor no more.

 

[Convict]

It was shocking Qatar won the bid over the likes of England, Australia, USA etc. But the clear reason was the money which FIFA simply couldn't let go by. So maybe not ICC aren't the only corrupt sporting organisation out there.

Every professional sporting organisation in the world is corrupt.

 

[cricketpolitics]

the report says .. " WILL leave the migrants dead" ... and we have already accepted that it will happen .. and started blaming Qatar and FIFA .. WOW !! ..

 

[Wasim1]

Sigh I dont know if a lot of people here are just dont get it. There will be a VAST amount of those that will die that are PAKISTANI/Indian muslims.

Cut out your giant egos of "YAHHHH a muslim country hosting World Cup!!!!".

Majority of these gulf arabs PREFER India to Pakistani majority of their big companies are run by Indians if there is a subcontinent person at the helm.

These arabs think Pakistanis to be lower than dogs and yet several people seem willing to lick their feet. They DO NOT see us as equals.

 

[RickyG]

Sigh I dont know if a lot of people here are just dont get it. There will be a VAST amount of those that will die that are PAKISTANI/Indian muslims.

Cut out your giant egos of "YAHHHH a muslim country hosting World Cup!!!!".

Majority of these gulf arabs PREFER India to Pakistani majority of their big companies are run by Indians if there is a subcontinent person at the helm.

These arabs think Pakistanis to be lower than dogs and yet several people seem willing to lick their feet. They DO NOT see us as equals.

That's true. I had an Arab verbally abuse me in Canada by saying "back home you P*k*s clean my toilets." Their mentality is just like that.

 

[Nostalgic]

One of these days we will change our name to Al-Bakistan. Pretend our ancestors came from Nejd, and were in fact loyal chattel of Abdul Wahab and Ibn Taymiyya. For now, learn to pronounce the Qafs and Ains from the throat, boys and girls. Practice makes perfect.

 

[DoosraTeesra]

A disgusting terrorist funding country. These Arab countries rich on their oil money are buying everything they can. Does anyone really think that the corrupt FIFA and voting members of other countries did not receive any special favors from Qatar for allowing them to host this world cup? Oh and FIFA doesn't care about poor Nepalis dying. Their main concern is filling their own pockets. It will be the most glamorous world cup ever because of the money that will be thrown at it but it will be played on graves of the poor labor that died trying to bring it together. It will be hosted in a country that has no sporting tradition. It will be hosted in a country that openly funds terrorism and wahhabi ideology. Just remember this as you cheer on your favorite teams.

And no this is not a propaganda against a Muslim country. But Muslims and their delusions know no bounds when it comes to making conspiracy theories.

One of these days we will change our name to Al-Bakistan. Pretend our ancestors came from Nejd, and were in fact loyal chattel of Abdul Wahab and Ibn Taymiyya. For now, learn to pronounce the Qafs and Ains from the throat, boys and girls. Practice makes perfect.

Totally Agree - Great posts guys

 

[Nostalgic]

Always happy to oblige

Seriously though, this malaise runs so deep, it is apparent even in things such as the names we've saddled our kids with. The 80s (and subsequent) generations have so many Sauds, Faisals and Fahads, names unknown to our elders. We don't fast The month of Ramzan anymore, it is now Ramadan. And these hijabs and abayas, when dupattas were the norm once. The list just goes on.

And it isn't even the cultures of Cairo, Beirut or Damscus we're looking to emulate. It is what passes for culture in Riyadh or Doha or Dubai.

An Urdu proverb I hear so often used to disparage Westernized liberals actually applies perfectly to the wannabe Gulf Arab crowd: "Kawwa chala Hans ki Chaal, Apni chaal bhi Bhul gaya." The racial loathing they have for us in deeply ingrained, and it has always been so. Read "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" by TE Lawrence. He talks about how the Gulf Arabs easily accept the black African as an equal. But a subcontinental? Never.

 

[Wasim1]

That's true. I had an Arab verbally abuse me in Canada by saying "back home you P*k*s clean my toilets." Their mentality is just like that.

Lol at the irony.. hope you firmly slapped the donair shop owner.

For those of you unfamiliar with canada these Arabs are nothing here... I wonder how it makes them feel to see any successful minority politician an Indian or Pakistani here.

Mayor of a city like Calgary leader opposition Alberta cabinet minister (full Sikh with turban even).

Most of these Arabs can barley finish high school and If anything go to a two year college or open some donair shop.

Whereas the ismali Sikh and other native sub continent populations are exponentially more respected and prosperous.

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[Nostalgic]

Interesting. Here in the US, I've noticed that the Arabs try to be more respectful of us, but you can tell that they have to make a conscious effort to go against the grain, so to speak.

I had steeled myself for the worst when I moved here, having earlier spent 9 years in Qatar, with the obligatory Umrah trips to Saudi Arabia, because interacting with them at the mosque is inevitable. But while they try to make an effort, the inbuilt racism creeps through from time to time. Once we were collecting funds for the flood relief efforts in 2010, and these Arab guys were making fun of it in Arabic, standing to one side. And the Arab Imams make it a point to say a Qunoot for those poor innocent Arabs in Syria and Libya and Palestine, but no mention of our people.

The other trouble is, if an Arab is genuinely nice, it is probable because he is religious, i.e. Salafi, which is even worse than the racist ones.

 

[Wasim1]

Interesting. Here in the US, I've noticed that the Arabs try to be more respectful of us, but you can tell that they have to make a conscious effort to go against the grain, so to speak.

I had steeled myself for the worst when I moved here, having earlier spent 9 years in Qatar, with the obligatory Umrah trips to Saudi Arabia, because interacting with them at the mosque is inevitable. But while they try to make an effort, the inbuilt racism creeps through from time to time. Once we were collecting funds for the flood relief efforts in 2010, and these Arab guys were making fun of it in Arabic, standing to one side. And the Arab Imams make it a point to say a Qunoot for those poor innocent Arabs in Syria and Libya and Palestine, but no mention of our people.

The other trouble is, if an Arab is genuinely nice, it is probable because he is religious, i.e. Salafi, which is even worse than the racist ones.

This is exactly what im talking about. We got so many of these "ISRAEL is the devil!!!" Zionist/RAW/CIA conspiracy to destroy Pakistan!!! type Pakistanis that make me sick. What you said are the cold hard facts.

Honestly how on earth do you make fun of a flood relief for people that have lost everything.

I dont care at all what Israel is doing. They are not harming Pakistan but arabs treat our people awfully. If you wanna be a chest thumper and insult Israel and "care about Palestine" take an honest look in the mirror and ask yourself if some Arab cares at all about Kashmir or any other issue affecting us.

 

[Nostalgic]

Yup. The original topic stirs painful memories for me, having lived in Qatar from age 5 to 15. There was a labor camp not far from our apartment. My father, if he saw one of the laborers walking to the supermarket, many miles away, would give them a lift if we were headed that way too. The tales they had to tell were harrowing. No money for months on end. 10 guys sleeping in a room. No fans, leave alone air conditioning, in the sweltering summer heat. And of course the confiscated passports.

And then there were the camel races, with malnourished desi kids trafficked to become camel jockies, sexually abused, and impotent for life because of the trauma to the nether regions caused by the constant bumping into the camel's back. Kudos to Ansar Burney for raising the issue a few years back. Yet there they were, the royals, watching the races, following alongside the camels in their SUVs.

Yet we are such suckers for these people. We will whine about foreign interference only if it is from our designated bogeymen in the West. Not a peep about the Saudis and the other Gulf sheikhdoms.

What is more, their filthy petrodollars are funding mosques not only in Pakistan but in the West too, so much so that Wahhabism is now the default Islam virtually everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if the TTP gets its funding from Saudi princes, all the while people keep suspecting the other notable players.

 

[LongHorn]

And it isn't even the cultures of Cairo, Beirut or Damscus we're looking to emulate. It is what passes for culture in Riyadh or Doha or Dubai.

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You are not fully correct; because what the average Islamized Pakistani practices is far stricter than 99% of Saudis or Qataris.
If you can read and understand Arabic and see online comments by Saudis, the vast majority of them are somewhat secular minded when compared to the comments made by many Pakistanis. Yes, they are culturally conservative, but in terms of attitude to Islam, the Pakistani is very upright in comparison.

If you go to FB there are a lot of Generation X Pakistanis with the following symptoms:

1) Broken English
2) Passport pic with an over tight-tie as the profile picture
3) Blindly supporting stuff like killing S Taseer, child marriages, TTP, and so on

There are stories about child marriages in Yemen; and when people say you need a limit of 18 fr marriage, you get Pakistanis saying "this is agenda by western kuffar to make us far from our tradition. in Islam marriage is have no age limit"


Note: I say Pakistanis, but there are also many Indian Muslims like this and some Bangladeshis as well.

 

[LongHorn]

Interesting. Here in the US, I've noticed that the Arabs try to be more respectful of us, but you can tell that they have to make a conscious effort to go against the grain, so to speak.

s.

Some 3 years back I entered a Halal place in orlando and the Arab lady behind the counter greeted us with a Salam.
I stood for a moment and it dawned on me that in 10 years in a Gulf country, I was never ever told Salam by an Arab when entering a store. Of course one can argue that I should have said Salam and so on, but the difference between them in the Gulf and in the US is very visible.

And yes, the nicer ones are either very westernized, or the Salafi types.

 

[Varun]

Some 3 years back I entered a Halal place in orlando and the Arab lady behind the counter greeted us with a Salam.
I stood for a moment and it dawned on me that in 10 years in a Gulf country, I was never ever told Salam by an Arab when entering a store. Of course one can argue that I should have said Salam and so on, but the difference between them in the Gulf and in the US is very visible.

And yes, the nicer ones are either very westernized, or the Salafi types.

They probably discovered their place in the scheme of things when they were grappling to obtain a visa with their shady looking last names. Hence if they're lucky enough to make it over, being subservient is the name of the game, lest they get into any trouble.

 

[RickyG]

Yup. The original topic stirs painful memories for me, having lived in Qatar from age 5 to 15. There was a labor camp not far from our apartment. My father, if he saw one of the laborers walking to the supermarket, many miles away, would give them a lift if we were headed that way too. The tales they had to tell were harrowing. No money for months on end. 10 guys sleeping in a room. No fans, leave alone air conditioning, in the sweltering summer heat. And of course the confiscated passports.

And then there were the camel races, with malnourished desi kids trafficked to become camel jockies, sexually abused, and impotent for life because of the trauma to the nether regions caused by the constant bumping into the camel's back. Kudos to Ansar Burney for raising the issue a few years back. Yet there they were, the royals, watching the races, following alongside the camels in their SUVs.

Yet we are such suckers for these people. We will whine about foreign interference only if it is from our designated bogeymen in the West. Not a peep about the Saudis and the other Gulf sheikhdoms.

What is more, their filthy petrodollars are funding mosques not only in Pakistan but in the West too, so much so that Wahhabism is now the default Islam virtually everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if the TTP gets its funding from Saudi princes, all the while people keep suspecting the other notable players.

Very enlightening post. Just to add to your point. It's actually an open secret that Saudis fund TTP type organizations in Pakistan. Wiki leaks showed it and I think it was even acknowledged by Hilary Clinton when she was secretary of state.

 

[Markhor]

Yup. The original topic stirs painful memories for me, having lived in Qatar from age 5 to 15. There was a labor camp not far from our apartment. My father, if he saw one of the laborers walking to the supermarket, many miles away, would give them a lift if we were headed that way too. The tales they had to tell were harrowing. No money for months on end. 10 guys sleeping in a room. No fans, leave alone air conditioning, in the sweltering summer heat. And of course the confiscated passports.

And then there were the camel races, with malnourished desi kids trafficked to become camel jockies, sexually abused, and impotent for life because of the trauma to the nether regions caused by the constant bumping into the camel's back. Kudos to Ansar Burney for raising the issue a few years back. Yet there they were, the royals, watching the races, following alongside the camels in their SUVs.

Yet we are such suckers for these people. We will whine about foreign interference only if it is from our designated bogeymen in the West. Not a peep about the Saudis and the other Gulf sheikhdoms.

What is more, their filthy petrodollars are funding mosques not only in Pakistan but in the West too, so much so that Wahhabism is now the default Islam virtually everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if the TTP gets its funding from Saudi princes, all the while people keep suspecting the other notable players.

Brilliant post that really puts things into perspective.

 

[James]

Fascinating thread.

 

[Haroon786]

Shocking.

 

[Nostalgic]

You are not fully correct; because what the average Islamized Pakistani practices is far stricter than 99% of Saudis or Qataris.
If you can read and understand Arabic and see online comments by Saudis, the vast majority of them are somewhat secular minded when compared to the comments made by many Pakistanis. Yes, they are culturally conservative, but in terms of attitude to Islam, the Pakistani is very upright in comparison.

If you go to FB there are a lot of Generation X Pakistanis with the following symptoms:

1) Broken English
2) Passport pic with an over tight-tie as the profile picture
3) Blindly supporting stuff like killing S Taseer, child marriages, TTP, and so on

There are stories about child marriages in Yemen; and when people say you need a limit of 18 fr marriage, you get Pakistanis saying "this is agenda by western kuffar to make us far from our tradition. in Islam marriage is have no age limit"


Note: I say Pakistanis, but there are also many Indian Muslims like this and some Bangladeshis as well.

I would contest the 99% figure, but yes, there's a vast segment of our people who are more loyal to the king than the king himself. And while the Indian Muslims and Bangladeshis aren't unknown in that category, it's our boys who are at the forefront embarrassing themselves and by association the rest of us on public fora.

I've come across Saudis who profess a deep loathing for the royals. Of course, that is often a double edged sword. Are they decent people disgruntled with Wahhabism, or horror of horrors, do they think their country isn't conservative enough under the royals? I've learnt to just keep my distance

 

[Saqs]

It was a wrong decision to give World Cup to Qatar... They no sporting history when it comes to Football. There are only 2 million people in that country. The games should be held in countries were football is popular and a country which have a proper football team.

Would have to agree with this. But with that attitude you will not spread the love of the beautiful game either.

 

[Saqs]

Seems to be a lot of prejudice against majority of Arabs here. Understandable due to some of the experiences some of you have had.

I had read and heard all the horror stories before moving to the ME. But in my limited time here the majority of locals I have come across are very helpful and friendly. The only issue you come across is at airports and I'm guessing most government institutions.

 

[lilFlip]

Seems to be a lot of prejudice against majority of Arabs here. Understandable due to some of the experiences some of you have had.

I had read and heard all the horror stories before moving to the ME. But in my limited time here the majority of locals I have come across are very helpful and friendly. The only issue you come across is at airports and I'm guessing most government institutions.

I hope you don't come across people like following being...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5teZ9XxU2c0

 

[lilFlip]

Sigh I dont know if a lot of people here are just dont get it. There will be a VAST amount of those that will die that are PAKISTANI/Indian muslims.

Cut out your giant egos of "YAHHHH a muslim country hosting World Cup!!!!".

Majority of these gulf arabs PREFER India to Pakistani majority of their big companies are run by Indians if there is a subcontinent person at the helm.

These arabs think Pakistanis to be lower than dogs and yet several people seem willing to lick their feet. They DO NOT see us as equals.

Only desperate people, who have no alternative but to work for these slave-owners. We don't give a damn about these people. By everyday I see more Pakistanis hating Arabs

 

[MenInG]

Seems to be a lot of prejudice against majority of Arabs here. Understandable due to some of the experiences some of you have had.

I had read and heard all the horror stories before moving to the ME. But in my limited time here the majority of locals I have come across are very helpful and friendly. The only issue you come across is at airports and I'm guessing most government institutions.

The type of prejudice that exists amongst some Pakistanis/Indians against Arabs is amazing.

Yes there are bad Arab as are bad people amongst Pakistanis and Indians

Exactly what stats do we have of worker deaths in Pakistan and India? Could it be that no one has that information?

Its good that TUC have pointed this out - it will make Qatar think carefully but Indian Pak workers arent killed deliberately in ME. These are accidents caused by incompetence.

BTW, whilst the money is from Arabs but most of these construction sites are run by multinational construction firms from - guess where? The West and supervised by Westerners.

 

[MenInG]

I hope you don't come across people like following being...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5teZ9XxU2c0

You obviously havent seen how Waderas in the Interior treat some of their slaves?

 

[Robert]

Shocking.

Shame on Qatar, the whole Arab community and FIFA.

I know of some English Health & Safety men working out there - perhaps the bosses should be listening to them harder.

 

[PakPrince]

I have no respect for Arab people or their recent infrastructural and economic boom to be honest..

they just woke up one day and found oil beneath their land.. whe ni was in Qatar you would hardly ever see an Arab outside where it is not air conditioned. very lazy people is the impression i got. one day this oil will run out

I have all the respect int he world for western countries who worked hard and were innovative to get where they are today.

 

[PakPrince]

You obviously havent seen how Waderas in the Interior treat some of their slaves?

not that you know much about how waderas treat their workers but assuming you are right.

so it makes the arab behavior fine?

what ive noticed is many desis are unwilling to badmouth arabs when they are working there due to sheer fear but as soon as they get the opportunity to leave they spill the beans

 

[RickyG]

You obviously havent seen how Waderas in the Interior treat some of their slaves?

Interesting way to justify the behaviour. The Waderas would treat those people poorly because of class differences (not that it makes it okay) and not because of a racial superiority complex. The whole Wadera system is wrong and those are Pakistan's problems but with Arabs the superiority complex is ingrained in them so even if you are a successful investment banker an Arab taxi driver will still feel you are beneath him. How I know this is from experience.

 

[Nostalgic]

True. Speaking out there gets you "runwayed," that is, put on the next place home. From an early age we were taught to keep our mouths shut. We found out much later that the Pakistani hairdresser I used to go to as a child, and who would ask me plenty of pointed questions, was a police informant.

Say what you will about Pakistan's travails, the irresponsible journalism, the corrupt leaders we keep re-electing. But what a blessing democracy and a free press is, what a blessing the right to express one's opinion is!

No surprises then, that the right-wing that will snatch that privilege from me, is influenced by the Gulf Arabs and their deviant sect.

 

[speed]

You know there are arabs beyond the UAE,Saudi and qatar, such stupid generalization is belittling the millions of arabs who do not act like arrogant ****** and mostly reside in egypt,iraq,yemen,syria,libya,lebanon, palestine etc.

 

[MenInG]

Interesting way to justify the behaviour. The Waderas would treat those people poorly because of class differences (not that it makes it okay) and not because of a racial superiority complex. The whole Wadera system is wrong and those are Pakistan's problems but with Arabs the superiority complex is ingrained in them so even if you are a successful investment banker an Arab taxi driver will still feel you are beneath him. How I know this is from experience.

I am not justifying their behaviour - merely pointing out the absurdity of making Arabs out as people with a monopoly on beastly behaviour

 

[Saeed]

Generalization in this thread is unbelievable.So i guess many of you guys will be okay if somebody call you a certain word just because few others did it.

 

[Nostalgic]

You know there are arabs beyond the UAE,Saudi and qatar, such stupid generalization is belittling the millions of arabs who do not act like arrogant ****** and mostly reside in egypt,iraq,yemen,syria,libya,lebanon, palestine etc.

I for one have tried to consistently say Gulf Arab in all my posts. I may have neglected doing so a few times.

 

[RickyG]

You know there are arabs beyond the UAE,Saudi and qatar, such stupid generalization is belittling the millions of arabs who do not act like arrogant ****** and mostly reside in egypt,iraq,yemen,syria,libya,lebanon, palestine etc.

This thread is largely about Gulf Arab countries as Qatar is a Gulf Arab country. You're right Egyptians, Iraqis, and Lebs are actually nice people. The rest I haven't had enough of an encounter with to know any better but again these are not countries where subcontinent people go to work.

I am not justifying their behaviour - merely pointing out the absurdity of making Arabs out as people with a monopoly on beastly behaviour

Nope they don't have a monopoly on beastly behaviour. But gulf Arabs seem to have one on having a superiority complex

 

[endymion248]

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Qatar is same except that they are keener on public image and answer critics with pre-conceived answers by their PR teams that essentially ask for time to invest financially and modernize intelectually because West got hundreds of years to do it.

 

[Nostalgic]

Right. And then they have Al-Jazeera, supposedly the channel that exposes the excesses of the West. I don't know if the irony is lost on them or not, the fact that they operate out of a dictatorship, and won't ever do an exposé on Qatar or the other sheikhdoms.

 

[Saeed]

Anyway stop this construction if it is going to leave 4000 people dead.Countries which care for human right should boycott the world cup.

 

[LongHorn]

This thread is largely about Gulf Arab countries as Qatar is a Gulf Arab country. You're right Egyptians, Iraqis, and Lebs are actually nice people.

Here is the irony; if you lived and worked in the Gulf for a long time, you will find your worst experiences in terms of cruelty or rudeness will be from Egyptians, Lebanese and Iraqis rather than Gulf Arabs, who are not that bad in terms of behavior.

 

[LongHorn]

For those not familiar with Qatar or the Gulf:

The main criticism should be at the system, not individuals.

You can find plenty of cruel employers from Desi backgrounds as well.

Recently a limo driver in Dubai was fired by his Indian boss; the reason?
The driver's mother had died, and he was too upset to work, on top of that the boss refused to allow him to visit India for the Funeral.

There is official racism practised in Qatar where Asian and Chinese men, no matter how well dressed, are refused entry to malls on Fridays (or at least used to happen till 2 years back); do you know who implements it?

Half the time it is a desi "Security Manager", and the guards are mostly drone-like racist Nepalese, who fall out of their chairs when they see a Brit (Sir, my grandfather was sholdier in Her Majeshty Army, I am your shervant Sir) yet act unbelievably racist to other Desis and Arabs

 

[RickyG]

Here is the irony; if you lived and worked in the Gulf for a long time, you will find your worst experiences in terms of cruelty or rudeness will be from Egyptians, Lebanese and Iraqis rather than Gulf Arabs, who are not that bad in terms of behavior.

That truly is shocking. I've been to Iraq and I can honestly say it was a very hospitable country with very hospitable people. More than I'd have expected.

 

[Wasim1]

Only desperate people, who have no alternative but to work for these slave-owners. We don't give a damn about these people. By everyday I see more Pakistanis hating Arabs

Im not referring to impovrished labourers that have no choice but to work there. I'm refering to the standard Pakistani/Indian subcontient Muslim baffoon that remarks "yahhhh Muslim country hosting world cup!!!" you think the Qataris see you as Muslim equals? You think they celebrate when Pakistani beats India in cricket or anything else? Those are the people licking the feet of them.

 

[Wasim1]

I wonder what these arabs think when they come to the US and see the:

Bobby Jindals - politician
Fareed Zakarias - intellectual
Sanjay Guptas - intellectual
Indira Nooryis - business
Ajay Bangas - business
Salman Khan - educator (not the bollywood actor whom no one knows in America )
etc etc etc

running and respected in the country. I cant think of a single Arab that has accomplished a single in the last 50 years. Honestly can someone name even 3 Arabs living in America right now that are prominent respected people the likes of the subcontient group ive listed off the top of my head?

They're even worse in Canada driving taxis and running donair shops ....im talking about second generation ones born here not their immigrant parents!

Honestly if these Arabs didnt have oil they'd make sub Sahara Africa look like Lichtenstein.

 

[LongHorn]

That truly is shocking. I've been to Iraq and I can honestly say it was a very hospitable country with very hospitable people. More than I'd have expected.

There is a difference between those who moved to the Gulf and those who stayed in their home countries.

I grew up knowing most Iranians to be rude (based on those in the Gulf), and then when I visited Tehran, I was amazed at how hospitable the people were even though it was such a large, faceless metropolis.

 

[saeedhk]

Right. And then they have Al-Jazeera, supposedly the channel that exposes the excesses of the West. I don't know if the irony is lost on them or not, the fact that they operate out of a dictatorship, and won't ever do an exposé on Qatar or the other sheikhdoms.

Al Jazeera is the mouth piece of the Qatari government,just look how they glorify the Syrian rebels.They also did false reports during the Libyan war against Gaddafi.

 

[saeedhk]

Yup. The original topic stirs painful memories for me, having lived in Qatar from age 5 to 15. There was a labor camp not far from our apartment. My father, if he saw one of the laborers walking to the supermarket, many miles away, would give them a lift if we were headed that way too. The tales they had to tell were harrowing. No money for months on end. 10 guys sleeping in a room. No fans, leave alone air conditioning, in the sweltering summer heat. And of course the confiscated passports.

And then there were the camel races, with malnourished desi kids trafficked to become camel jockies, sexually abused, and impotent for life because of the trauma to the nether regions caused by the constant bumping into the camel's back. Kudos to Ansar Burney for raising the issue a few years back. Yet there they were, the royals, watching the races, following alongside the camels in their SUVs.

Yet we are such suckers for these people. We will whine about foreign interference only if it is from our designated bogeymen in the West. Not a peep about the Saudis and the other Gulf sheikhdoms.

What is more, their filthy petrodollars are funding mosques not only in Pakistan but in the West too, so much so that Wahhabism is now the default Islam virtually everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if the TTP gets its funding from Saudi princes, all the while people keep suspecting the other notable players.

According to Wikileaks,UAE and KSA fund terror groups in Pakistan.

 

[endymion248]

Generalization in this thread is unbelievable.So i guess many of you guys will be okay if somebody call you a certain word just because few others did it.

-Terrorism is not state sanctioned officially

-There 180 million pakistanis while Qatar and UAE autochtones are in very small numbers, each benefitting immensly from the state (jobs, college education, free houses and, on average, a grant of 120 000$). A comparison between these Arabs and Pakistani nawaabs would be more sound. And, if a large number of nawaabs were responsible of these behaviours, yes, we would generalize.

-The hate is racially justified as well as class inequality.

-Pakistani are not forced to pay 1000$ to work ten hours a day for less than 1$ an hour pay ina 50 degrees inferno, while sleeping 10 in a room with no fan in a desert, without the possibility of going back because their passports are held by Emirati companies. Besides, Waderas as a whole are not known for their cruelty towards tenants and masalis, whatever popular urban culture may have taught you.

There is a difference between those who moved to the Gulf and those who stayed in their home countries.

I grew up knowing most Iranians to be rude (based on those in the Gulf), and then when I visited Tehran, I was amazed at how hospitable the people were even though it was such a large, faceless metropolis.

They are looked down upon by emiratis so they alleviate their inferiority complex by being mean to those perceived even more inferior, the subcontinental people. Sometimes, an immigrated arab will get the citizenship but only if he is a successful third or fourth generation UAE-born arab, which is how strict their citizenship policy is.

 

[imrankhannsu]

You wont see many ferverent media articles on these Arab human rights abuse....mainly because the Arabs now own a certain % of the media or somehow use their oil influence to curb down on this issues.

 

[Major]

Its not like as if Qatar are having a game tornament held in their country for the first time... They have also have held a game event in there country before aswell. I think it was the commonwealth games or Asian Games(dont remember) Maybe that was also taken in to consideration......

 

[dhump]

Work with Qatar on a project there are some nice peoples but mostly are kinda of people with crap manners and no sympathy for working class, also not much intelligent as far as I found out and mostly intelligent work is done by people from other countries. But to be honest we (Pakistanis) are also kinda bad to people from other countries if we get the opportunity to. I have seen people in Pakistan treating Bengali's,Afghans in similar bad fashion when they got chance to do so.

 

[Saqs]

I think the one thing we can learn from this thread is - never generalise an entire people.

It is completely illogical

It really can never be proven false or otherwise because it is all based on personal experience.

 

[imrankhannsu]

Arab principles are still still living on ancient principles......slave trade and abuse is rampant in their countries and they dont care about it. Many think racisim in Europe is a big issue, but forget the blatant racisim in Arab countires.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Qatar is the richest nation on earth (by GDP per capita) yet these workers are being treated like animals whose lives are worthless.


And at the rate people are dying, the number is going to be a lot higher than 4000 by the time the world cup starts. And these are just the official figures - I wonder what the real figures are.

The extent of the risks faced by migrant construction workers building the infrastructure for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar has been laid bare by official documents revealing that 185 Nepalese men died last year alone.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/24/qatar-2022-world-cup-185-nepalese-workers-died-2013

More than 500 Indian migrant workers have died in Qatar since January 2012, revealing for the first time the shocking scale of death toll among those building the infrastructure for the 2022 World Cup.

Official figures confirmed by the Indian embassy in Doha reveal that 237 Indians working in Qatar died in 2012 and 241 in 2013. A further 24 Indians have died in January 2014.

These come after the Guardian revealed last month that 185 Nepalese workers had died in Qatar in 2013, taking the total from that country to at least 382 over two years.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/qatar-world-cup-india-migrant-worker-deaths

 

[R1a1]

Fifa should be ashmed for itself, people should protest and boycott this world cup. Qatar never deserved it anyways, they dont even have a good team

 

[James]

Media made it all up to discredit sporting event outside the West...

Let's be honest, this World Cup is a joke and a disgrace 8 years before it's even started, who knows what will have happened by 2022. Time for FIFA to quickly correct their huge cash-soaked mistake and have a re-vote.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

The big 3 had their way in football, fifa, platini and qatar and this is what happened, shameful really

What with people dying in stadiums in brazil too, when will they get it right

Nepal should get their hands out and bring all their people back and give them jobs doing construction work in nepal

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I wonder what these arabs think when they come to the US and see the:

Bobby Jindals - politician
Fareed Zakarias - intellectual
Sanjay Guptas - intellectual
Indira Nooryis - business
Ajay Bangas - business
Salman Khan - educator (not the bollywood actor whom no one knows in America )
etc etc etc

running and respected in the country. I cant think of a single Arab that has accomplished a single in the last 50 years. Honestly can someone name even 3 Arabs living in America right now that are prominent respected people the likes of the subcontient group ive listed off the top of my head?

They're even worse in Canada driving taxis and running donair shops ....im talking about second generation ones born here not their immigrant parents!

Honestly if these Arabs didnt have oil they'd make sub Sahara Africa look like Lichtenstein.

The Gulf Arabs are basically 3rd world countries that have gone from riding camels to driving porsches in the space of a generation due to the oil discovered beneath their sands. Hardly a surprise they still carry most of their primitive traits beneath the surface.

But in a similar vein perhaps you should stop extolling the virtues of the cream of the crop Indians who migrated to the US and take a hard look at India itself. Where women are valued so lowly they live in fear of rape or acid in the face if they displease the pathetic males of that country. That's if they actually get past the abortion clinics in the first place.

 

[Saeed]

Bobby Jindals - politician .

He is respected? Maybe by tea baggers in southern states.

 

[Nostalgic]

Progress, Wahhabi style: soaked in the blood of third-world labor.


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Say NO to Mullah Raj

 

[Mr.Saga]

While we are crappin on Arabs, maybe we should reflect on ourselves too. Coming across pompous Arabs is the norm I agree, but look at our own community.

You are considered a FOB and ridiculed if you speak a word of urdu (Arabs never have an issue speaking in arabic) or even take interest in anything that's more prominent back in pakistan.

We are constantly trying to one up each other rather than try to help the entire community. We call Arabs arrogant....have you seen the Pakistani girls at universities here??? They only go on to join the ranks of those Aunties that can't stop bloating about everything including how they did dawat for a gazillion people just last weekend, or their so called mansion in defence.

Qatar is bad, but we will always take their airline to go back home rather than PIA. They treat us unfair, but we will beg to go work there.
The Hypocrisy of some just amazes me.

 

[RickyG]

While we are crappin on Arabs, maybe we should reflect on ourselves too. Coming across pompous Arabs is the norm I agree, but look at our own community.

You are considered a FOB and ridiculed if you speak a word of urdu (Arabs never have an issue speaking in arabic) or even take interest in anything that's more prominent back in pakistan.

We are constantly trying to one up each other rather than try to help the entire community. We call Arabs arrogant....have you seen the Pakistani girls at universities here??? They only go on to join the ranks of those Aunties that can't stop bloating about everything including how they did dawat for a gazillion people just last weekend, or their so called mansion in defence.

Qatar is bad, but we will always take their airline to go back home rather than PIA. They treat us unfair, but we will beg to go work there.
The Hypocrisy of some just amazes me.

True. As much as Gulf Arabs have superiority complexes, Pakistanis have inferiority complexes more than Indians or Bangladeshis

Indians still speak their local tongue same with Bangladeshis who enjoy speaking Bengali. In the community I've been around with Pakistanis, no kid born in Canada speaks Urdu fluently. They make fun of accents and what not. If that's not enough, you have Pakistanis pretending to be Italians, Spanish or Arabs.

So many Pakistanis born here are clueless about what's happening back home and they have no interest in their culture. Although, I think a lot of it stems from the fact Pakistanis don't embrace their Indian heritage and culture and are trying to build their own "Muslim" identity.

I don't know too much about what happens in Pakistan itself because I lived there for a long time now, but outside of Pakistan many Pakistani people are too superficial and out of touch with reality in terms of what goes on back home.

 

[Wasim1]

The Gulf Arabs are basically 3rd world countries that have gone from riding camels to driving porsches in the space of a generation due to the oil discovered beneath their sands. Hardly a surprise they still carry most of their primitive traits beneath the surface.

But in a similar vein perhaps you should stop extolling the virtues of the cream of the crop Indians who migrated to the US and take a hard look at India itself. Where women are valued so lowly they live in fear of rape or acid in the face if they displease the pathetic males of that country. That's if they actually get past the abortion clinics in the first place.

LMAO Look how willing you are to jump to the defense of your Arab masters. Sorry if I offended you with facts. There are plenty of poor and impoverished women mistreated in India?absolutely. Same so in Arab countries and non arab countries like Pakistan (sorry for reminding you youre a non arab) so I dont know why youre going all Jihad on India.

Point is in America people are associating success intellect and hard work with Indians. Not sure why it bothers you so much.

 

[saeedhk]

Qatar is the richest nation on earth (by GDP per capita) yet these workers are being treated like animals whose lives are worthless.


And at the rate people are dying, the number is going to be a lot higher than 4000 by the time the world cup starts. And these are just the official figures - I wonder what the real figures are.




http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/24/qatar-2022-world-cup-185-nepalese-workers-died-2013



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/qatar-world-cup-india-migrant-worker-deaths

Terrible.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

LMAO Look how willing you are to jump to the defense of your Arab masters. Sorry if I offended you with facts. There are plenty of poor and impoverished women mistreated in India?absolutely. Same so in Arab countries and non arab countries like Pakistan (sorry for reminding you youre a non arab) so I dont know why youre going all Jihad on India.

Point is in America people are associating success intellect and hard work with Indians. Not sure why it bothers you so much.

I didn't defend Arabs, I said that they are 3rd world camel riders who are now driving Porsches due to their oil windfall. For some reason you felt the need to twist that into defending arabs. Btw, I know I'm not an Arab, but I'm secure enough in that knowledge not to need to bash other races in order to feel good about myself. You on the other hand tried to talk up Indians expats, presumably because you were too ashamed to compare India itself with the Arabs you came on here to bash. That speaks volumes about your own issues to be frank.