Quaid-e-Azam Trophy 2020/21 | Round 9 | December 20-23, 2020 | Matches Thread

[HappyWarsFan]

Saud Shakeel hasn't impressed me too much. He squares up very easily and doesn't have the grit from what I have seen.

He plays good shots and does fight it out from time to time. He's topping the charts, has experience of FC cricket so I still think he should slot into number 5 for the Test team. Hopefully over time he'll develop some more grit.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

He plays good shots and does fight it out from time to time. He's topping the charts, has experience of FC cricket so I still think he should slot into number 5 for the Test team. Hopefully over time he'll develop some more grit.

His technique still needs refinement.
I dont like a top order player squaring up so easily.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Saud Shakeel hasn't impressed me too much. He squares up very easily and doesn't have the grit from what I have seen.

If you had to pick just three U26 batsmen to develop, who would they be?

What about three U26 bowlers (including the lot that’s already debuted)?

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

His technique still needs refinement.
I dont like a top order player squaring up so easily.

I think what you've just mentioned can be coached out of him. It'll benefit him to debut in home tests and Younis is defo the guy to drill focus and grit into newcomers, over a period of time

 

[BakuGM]

Happy about Hassan Ali finding form and close to an international recall. Also great to see Saud Shakeel scoring another century, hopefully gets him in the international team as well.

 

[Xoib]

Saud Shakeel hasn't impressed me too much. He squares up very easily and doesn't have the grit from what I have seen.

We have hampered his development he should have been in the main squad by 2018 bu that time he had 2 years of FC experience.
Around 2016 he looked neck to neck with Babar but for some reason he was never called up. He is still young though.

 

[shah_1]

We have hampered his development he should have been in the main squad by 2018 bu that time he had 2 years of FC experience.
Around 2016 he looked neck to neck with Babar but for some reason he was never called up. He is still young though.

U19 cricketers- 3 FC seasons should be enough, if he is extraordinary then 2 seasons

This is why too much or too little first class experience can hamper players progess. Saud has been wasted by PCB, he should have been brought two years ago. Playing needless FC can stagnant their growth, they need a better level challange to understand their shortcomings

 

[Xoib]

U19 cricketers- 3 FC seasons should be enough, if he is extraordinary then 2 seasons

This is why too much or too little first class experience can hamper players progess. Saud has been wasted by PCB, he should have been brought two years ago. Playing needless FC can stagnant their growth, they need a better level challange to understand their shortcomings

I guess it differes player to player and their roles.
Pacers I say 2 seasons are enough batsmen and keeper 3 seasons for spinners they take the longest to develop temperament and patience it can be 4 years.

Then there are late bloomers like Abbas or Yasir who suddenly become good after a mediocre start they should be brought in at their peak so they can give a solid 4-5 years.

 

[KoyoAli]

Tea Break!

SINDH v SP Southern Punjab 2nd Inn: 238-3 (73 ov)

KP v CP Central Punjab 2nd Inn: 265-7d (82 ov)

 

[MenInG]

Match drawn CP v KP

 

[MenInG]

SP beat Sindh by 5 wickets

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Didn’t Sindh declare? How do you lose a match after declaring? That’s absolutely idiotic, the 4th innings wasn’t even played that quickly if you look at strike rates.

 

[Markhor]

Disappointed in Mohammad Asghar - situation is tailor made for a spinner on Day 4 with 370 runs to work with to defend that.

 

[b.lesner]

SP vs KP final? Or northern or CP have still got a chance

 

[Xoib]

The all time great Saif Badar flops again while selfish limited Imran rafiq architects a difficult 4th innings chase.

 

[MenInG]

Brilliant centuries by Imran Rafiq and Salman Ali Agha sealed a five-wicket win for Southern Punjab over Sindh at the State Bank Stadium on the last day of the ninth round of first-class Quaid-e-Azam Trophy on Wednesday.

The victory helped Southern Punjab jump a spot and secure the second place on the six-team points table as they gathered 22 points (16 for outright win, one for batting and five for bowling).

Southern Punjab were 309 runs away from their fourth win of the season when they began the day on 61 for one.

Imran Rafiq converted his overnight 26 into 130 and recorded his fourth first-class century. The left-handed batsman smashed 12 fours and two sixes and stitched a 137-run partnership for the second wicket with opener Zain Abbas, who made 81 (nine fours and two sixes).

Imran was provided solid support from the other end when Salman, who recorded his second century of the season, joined him at the crease. Their 141-run partnership set the platform for Southern Punjab’s win.

Salman made 100 off 112 balls in a knock studded with 14 fours and two sixes before he was dismissed by Tabish Khan (three for 95).

Following the defeat, Sindh slipped to the bottom of the points table.

At the National Stadium, the match between Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Central Punjab ended in a draw. Central Punjab, batting for the second time in the match, set a 305-run target for table-toppers Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, who were 65 for two when captains shook hands.

In front of the broadcast cameras, which telecasted action live in Pakistan and relayed the beam all over the world through PCB’s YouTube channel, Central Punjab’s Mohammad Saad recorded his second half-century of the match. He made 83, dispatching 10 of the 155 balls he faced to boundary.

Qasim Akram’s run of form continued as he scored his maiden half-century after recording his first five-wicket haul yesterday. The 18-year-old smashed six fours and a six in his 181-ball knock.

Saad Nasim followed up his brilliant 136 not out with 54 off 72.

The 10th and final round of the first-class Quaid-e-Azam Trophy, which begins on 26 December, promises exciting contests as the two final spots remain open.

Top-ranked Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (148 points) will play third-placed Northern (114 points) in a broadcast fixture at the National Stadium.

State Bank Stadium will stage the second-leg of Punjab Derby.

Sindh and Balochistan meet at the UBL Sports Complex. Both teams are out of the race for the final.

Scores in brief:

At State Bank Stadium, Southern Punjab beat Sindh by five wickets

Sindh 217 all out, 64.4 overs (Mohammad Hasan 111, Saad Ali 79; Aamer Yamin 3-31, Zahid Mahmood 3-49, Zia-ul-Haq 3-63) and 399-5 dec, 85 overs (Saud Shakeel 123 not out, Sharjeel Khan 74, Saad Ali 62, Asad Shafiq 55, Khurram Manzoor 29, Omair Bin Yousuf 28; Aamer Yamin 2-85)

Southern Punjab 247 all out, 81.1 overs (Imran Rafiq 67, Zain Abbas 39, Aamer Yamin 35, Saif Badar 33; Mohammad Asghar 4-81, Shahnawaz Dhani 3-67, Tabish Khan 2-39) and 370-5, 93.4 overs (Imran Rafiq 130, Salman Ali Agha 100, Zain Abbas 81, Mohammad Umair 36 not out; Tabish Khan 3-95)

Match points: Sindh 6 (one batting, five bowling), Southern Punjab 22 (16 outright win, one batting, five bowling)

At National Stadium, match drawn between Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Central Punjab

Central Punjab 351-7 dec, 107.5 overs (Saad Nasim 136 not out, Mohammad Saad 78, Usman Salahuddin 53, Ali Shan 43, Qasim Akram 25; Irfanullah Shah 3-53) and 265-7 dec, 82 overs (Mohammad Saad 83, Qasim Akram 79, Saad Nasim 54, Muhammad Akhlaq 26; Khalid Usman 2-29, Sajid Khan 2-90)

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa 312-7 dec, 121.4 overs (Adil Amin 96, Zohaib Khan 75, Fakhar Zaman 42, Israrullah 40, Kamran Ghulam 20; Qasim Akram 5-51) and 65-2, 21 overs (Israrullah 31 not out)

Match points: Central Punjab 9 (five draw, three batting, one bowling), Khyber Pakhtunkhwa 8 (five draw, two batting, one bowling)

On Tuesday

At UBL Sports Complex, Balochistan beat Northern by an innings and five runs

Northern 203 all out, 62.1 overs (Ali Sarfraz 38, Nasir Nawaz 31, Mohammad Nawaz 26, Waqas Ahmed 26, Sarmad Bhatti 25, Mubasir Khan 25; Kashif Bhatti 5-75, Raza-ul-Hasan 3-67) and 164 all out, 45 overs (Sarmad Bhatti 31, Umar Amin 29, Mohammad Nawaz 27, Hammad Azam 20; Raza-ul-Hasan 4-50, Kashif Bhatti 4-67)

Balochistan 372 all out, 116.1 overs (Akbar-ur-Rehman 82, Imran Farhat 77, Ayaz Tasawar 69, Ali Rafiq 36, Kashif Bhatti 35; Nauman Ali 6-107, Waqas Ahmed 3-63)

Match points: Northern 3 (one batting, two bowling), Balochistan 25 (16 outright win, one bonus for innings win, three batting, five bowling)

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

There is no end to Sindh’s miseries at the moment. They have lost games from positions of strength haven’t shown grit to survive when in position of weakness. Toothless captaincy married with severe lack of mental strength has been the cause for their downfall this season. What’s more worrisome is the lack of any any outstanding performers at the second xi tournament that could seriously jeopardise the position of the non-performers in the first 11.

 

[shamaan]

His technique still needs refinement.
I dont like a top order player squaring up so easily.

Do you see him playing in the top order or the middle order personally id say more suited to number 5

 

[Kaddy]

Didn’t Sindh declare? How do you lose a match after declaring? That’s absolutely idiotic, the 4th innings wasn’t even played that quickly if you look at strike rates.

You know, hindsight really is an amazing thing, absolutely 20-20, given the reactions here to the declaration, insulting Azhar Ali etc. I'm no fan of Azhar's performance as captain for the test team, however what he did here was commendable and actually quite ballsy. Part of being in this competition is to get maximum points per game, especially given the added batting and bowling points available per game. Given how the match was quite even, the batting and bowling points had largely been shared by Sindh and CP to that point. Thus, Azhar took on a risk and bet on winning by risking to lose. Had his bowlers, I.e. Hassan Ali and Ehsan Adil either shown up or bowled better lines, it would have At least been a draw.

I'm not in favour of Azhar being test captain, but what he tried here was courageous, aggressive captaincy where he backed his own team. That has to be commended. It's easy to criticize based on the result

This!

Very good bro.

In the first round of Quaid-e-Azam trophy when Azhar Ali unnecessarily declared CP's innings gave Sindh team the target of just 200 odd in 50 overs and lost the match, you had different views ( you liked the post of kingofpakbreakfast, which I have attached)
And now when Sindh declared and gave a very good target of 370 but lost, you are calling it idiotic.

Remember this game was a must win for Sindh but in the first round there was no such pressure on Azhar Ali. But in your opinion the first declaration was a brave move but today it's idiotic.

Moreover, we often see teams declaring and giving the opposition a target of 370 odd. But in the recent history i don't remember any game where the captain declared and gave the opposition the target of 200 odd in 50 overs especially in this era of t20 cricket.
But if you have any such example please share with us.

Plus can you please explain how is a target of 214 is appreciable move but a target of 370 in a must win game is idiotic.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Very good bro.

In the first round of Quaid-e-Azam trophy when Azhar Ali unnecessarily declared CP's innings gave Sindh team the target of just 200 odd in 50 overs and lost the match, you had different views ( you liked the post of kingofpakbreakfast, which I have attached)
And now when Sindh declared and gave a very good target of 370 but lost, you are calling it idiotic.

Remember this game was a must win for Sindh but in the first round there was no such pressure on Azhar Ali. But in your opinion the first declaration was a brave move but today it's idiotic.

Moreover, we often see teams declaring and giving the opposition a target of 370 odd. But in the recent history i don't remember any game where the captain declared and gave the opposition the target of 200 odd in 50 overs especially in this era of t20 cricket.
But if you have any such example please share with us.

Plus can you please explain how is a target of 214 is appreciable move but a target of 370 in a must win game is idiotic.

You misread my post. The declaration was just fine at 370, which is plenty - the idiotic part was aimed at the bowling and possibly the captaincy. Full credit to the opposition for chasing it down, but to let an opposition chase that down is just not on.

I still stand by the fact that Azhar made a bold decision that didn’t pay off that day, while Sindh made an easy decision (that I too would have made) that they then failed to exploit in exerting pressure with.

This kind of total, if you’re defending it, should be a walk in the park. Sindh has continued to lose games upon games, despite packing some of the best individual players in the tournament - the continued trend indicates there’s something amiss.

The bowling unit’s failure today is what I was calling idiotic - not the declaration.

 

[Kaddy]

You misread my post. The declaration was just fine at 370, which is plenty - the idiotic part was aimed at the bowling and possibly the captaincy. Full credit to the opposition for chasing it down, but to let an opposition chase that down is just not on.

I still stand by the fact that Azhar made a bold decision that didn’t pay off that day, while Sindh made an easy decision (that I too would have made) that they then failed to exploit in exerting pressure with.

This kind of total, if you’re defending it, should be a walk in the park. Sindh has continued to lose games upon games, despite packing some of the best individual players in the tournament - the continued trend indicates there’s something amiss.

The bowling unit’s failure today is what I was calling idiotic - not the declaration.

Actually you didn't mention the bowling or captaincy, you exactly wrote "Didn’t Sindh declare? How do you lose a match after declaring?"
Don't you think the same applies on Central Punjab. How can you declare and lose the match.

Azhar Ali's decision was a bold one for you so I will ask again, do you have any other example of recent history where captain declared and gave the target of 214 in 50 overs and then spread the field when opposition is on 130 odd.
Again that was the first round and there was absolutely no pressure of winning the game.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Actually you didn't mention the bowling or captaincy, you exactly wrote "Didn’t Sindh declare? How do you lose a match after declaring?"
Don't you think the same applies on Central Punjab. How can you declare and lose the match.

Azhar Ali's decision was a bold one for you so I will ask again, do you have any other example of recent history where captain declared and gave the target of 214 in 50 overs and then spread the field when opposition is on 130 odd.
Again that was the first round and there was absolutely no pressure of winning the game.

It’s a different situation. The 214 was a bold declaration, the way they managed the hunt after that had certain mistakes, but a result was guaranteed between a win or loss and that’s the positive mindset I was talking about. Azhar could maybe have tried making a few extra runs at most. But going for a result is always important, rather than going for a draw, whether it’s the first match or the last.

370 is an easy total to declare at. Nothing bold about it. The fact that you were in a position to declare at such a large total, is testament to how badly they bowled in that fourth innings. Hence my original post asking about them declaring - to think they lost such a position not only for the win but also the draw, ending up losing, is certainly grounds for criticism and is entirely different to the Azhar situation.

 

[Kaddy]

It’s a different situation. The 214 was a bold declaration, the way they managed the hunt after that had certain mistakes, but a result was guaranteed between a win or loss and that’s the positive mindset I was talking about. Azhar could maybe have tried making a few extra runs at most. But going for a result is always important, rather than going for a draw, whether it’s the first match or the last.

370 is an easy total to declare at. Nothing bold about it. The fact that you were in a position to declare at such a large total, is testament to how badly they bowled in that fourth innings. Hence my original post asking about them declaring - to think they lost such a position not only for the win but also the draw, ending up losing, is certainly grounds for criticism and is entirely different to the Azhar situation.

Who said that. I have read/listened many great captains of the past but nobody said that a loss is better than a draw.
Plus In that case why do we see hard fought draws in test cricket.


You are ignoring my first question.
Give me any recent example where a captain declared and gave the target of 200 odd in 50 overs.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Give me any recent example where a captain declared and gave the target of 200 odd in 50 overs.

Michael Clarke at the Oval in 2013, set England about 230 to win in 45 overs on the last day. He had to order his bowlers to deliberately slow down the over-rate once he realized that England had a fair chance of winning with Pietersen set at the crease. Bad light saved Australia at the end.

 

[Kaddy]

Michael Clarke at the Oval in 2013, set England about 230 to win in 45 overs on the last day. He had to order his bowlers to deliberately slow down the over-rate once he realized that England had a fair chance of winning with Pietersen set at the crease. Bad light saved Australia at the end.

There was very little time left only 40 overs were bowled. Whereas when CP gave Sindh the target there was enough time for 50 overs.

If you read my post my main argument is that Azhar Ali was under no pressure to win that game. It was the first round of the tournament.
But in Australia's case it was the last test of the series and Australia was losing the series. They badly needed that victory to save their faces that is why Clark took that risk.