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[Qudrat ka Nizam] 'We need to accept wins/losses because this is how nature works': Saqlain Mushtaq

I would like questions to be asked of the dedicated batting coach: Mohammad Yousuf, whether he lacks the skills to be an effective coach or are Pakistani batsmen uncoachable?
 
Major said:
what icc tournament was Misbah the coach in?
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He quit before the World Cup. Don't blame the coach, blame the players that's how you defended Misbah. So stick to your words
 
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Get rid of Saqi & co & then Masood haider kushdil asif Ifty will automatically turn into ponting Clarke Martyn hussey the following day.

It is what it is mediocrity, bench strength is nothing to write home about aswell.
 
For Maulvis, winning a match is not important , some other things are more important.
 
When you have qudrat ka nizam hai type mentality of coaches then you can not expect professionalism from the players. Incredibly pathetic piece of fielding and tactics seen once again.
 
we also need to accept saqlain or no saqlain, we will just lose when it matters.
 
Day and night, summer and winter, rain and cloud, coaches showing that they are out of their depth in a role.. this is how nature works
 
Ramiz needs to end this farce quick n put saqi n co out of their misery

Hes clearly out of his depth
 
I’m telling this again Pakistan will never flourish under soft and calm captain coach . They always needed aggressive passionate leaders .
 
Sorry to say I think team is more into Islamic stuff than cricket . Rizwan Saqlain Yousuf I wonder what happens in dressing room
 
Sorry figures...

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Saqlain's coaching doing wonders....

"Yeh Khubsoorti hai cricket kee, kabhee aap jeetay hain, kabhee aap hartay hain"

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Speaking in a PCB video:

"In this series (Tri-series), we have to keep an eye on T20 World Cup preparations"

"We are fully prepared for the challenge. Players are confident to give good performance in both, tri-nation series and T20 World Cup"

"We will try to test things which we didn't in T20 series against England"

"In T20 format, you make mistakes but then you have to play again the very next day. Our players performed really well in last couple of years and I hope we will be able to make a mark this time around too"
 
MenInG said:
Speaking in a PCB video:

"In this series (Tri-series), we have to keep an eye on T20 World Cup preparations"

"We are fully prepared for the challenge. Players are confident to give good performance in both, tri-nation series and T20 World Cup"

"We will try to test things which we didn't in T20 series against England"

"In T20 format, you make mistakes but then you have to play again the very next day. Our players performed really well in last couple of years and I hope we will be able to make a mark this time around too"
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Wah kya baat hai! You get a long seven match series to get things right but he wants to 'test' things out in the World Cup itself. Either that or Saqlain Mushtaq is not good in putting his points across properly.
 
As a friend of mine said to me today regarding this:

If it's just down to nature, then why have coaches, why practice?
 
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Seems Mohammad Yousuf also learning this style of thinking


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Saqi is a spin bowling coach, as is Moyo for batting. Their work should be at grass roots level.

You need someone who can see the bigger picture and is in tune with the requirements of modern day gameplay in the shorter formats.

These guys are not the solution.

I am a fan of Tait though. This is the fastest attack (Naseem, Shaheen, Hasnain, Rauf) we’ve fielded in a while that is also accurate.
 
I wonder how Saqlain is being revered in Eng WI etc his coaching style with Pakistan is completely outdated and ordinary
 
Really needs to do a little more Saqlain - big test coming up now in the World Cup.
 
Can’t believe he is head coach . Haven’t seen such worst coach for Pakistan in long time . Misbah comes second
 
Waqar laying into Babar and Team Management over the Shaheen Shah Afridi debacle ie I spoke to the captain, coach over Shaheen ie why is he not playing any cricket in NZ, don't take him to Australia fresh after injury without any match practice but both Babar and Saqlain were like don't worry, everything is under control.

In any professionally run organization, the captain and the coach would be fired for such incompetence.
 
Savak said:
Waqar laying into Babar and Team Management over the Shaheen Shah Afridi debacle ie I spoke to the captain, coach over Shaheen ie why is he not playing any cricket in NZ, don't take him to Australia fresh after injury without any match practice but both Babar and Saqlain were like don't worry, everything is under control.

In any professionally run organization, the captain and the coach would be fired for such incompetence.
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Exactly, this is incompetence of highest regard.
 
Savak said:
Waqar laying into Babar and Team Management over the Shaheen Shah Afridi debacle ie I spoke to the captain, coach over Shaheen ie why is he not playing any cricket in NZ, don't take him to Australia fresh after injury without any match practice but both Babar and Saqlain were like don't worry, everything is under control.

In any professionally run organization, the captain and the coach would be fired for such incompetence.
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If anyone recalls we took Ehsan Adil, Yasir, Sohail Khan suddenly for the 2015 WC and some guys were making their debut as well and persisted with Jamshed at the top despite him being shambles. Waqar was at the helm at the time.

I agree with his views but every management in the past has created panic and debacle especially whenever Pakistan has toured Australia.
 
Truer words never spoken.

Cementing his legacy tonight.
 
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Alhamdolilah, Pakistan and nature at work yet again.
Saqlain,chamga lagya sohniya.
 
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The team that was slated to be the first one eliminated out of the WC is the first one to make the finals! Qudrat ka nizam!
 
daytrader said:
The team that was slated to be the first one eliminated out of the WC is the first one to make the finals! Qudrat ka nizam!
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:)) exactly

Indians were making ticket memes for us, and now they gone all quiet
 
Matthew hayden is the real coach

Mo Yousuf and Saqi are like little teenage girls looking on from the side

clearly we all know who's calling the shots.
 
Bro - Hayden is getting paid to do his job. He has a right to call the shots cuz his department was lacking runs and skills. Hayden is a champion and true professional. He wants to deliver and prove a point that I can be a good coach.
 
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Saqi absolutely unmoved. "You win some you lose some" :)
 
Saqlain Mushtaq’s mystical charm inspires Pakistan to triumph through instinct

Saqlain Mushtaq’s mystical charm inspires Pakistan to triumph through instinct

Andy Bull

Coach’s law of nature speech highlights take-as-it-comes approach which has helped propel unlikely run to final

Wed 9 Nov 2022 15.17 GMT

The mistake they make,” Harold Pinter said, “is to attempt to determine and calculate, with the finest instruments, the source of the wound.” He wasn’t talking about cricket (that time) but the words still come to mind watching Pakistan play in this T20 World Cup.

Six weeks or so ago, they hammered England by 10 wickets in a Twenty20 match in Karachi. The mood in the stadium after the game that evening was giddy, even a little delirious. A day later, England beat them back, badly, in a 63-run victory that was settled 20 minutes into the second innings and of course the mood changed too. It became sour and frustrated.

Late that night Pakistan’s coach, Saqlain Mushtaq, heaved himself into a chair for his post-match press conference, the eager media spread in front of him, ready to press him on the what-ifs, why-nots, and what-abouts of the defeat. Mushtaq started to talk, and talk and talk, and he carried on talking, calmly, for the best part of 10 straight minutes, in one long unbroken monologue. Some of the journalists in the room were smiling, some were sniggering, some were just perplexed, like most of the English press, who were all looking at each other, eyebrows raised, wondering exactly what he was going on about.

You could pick up some of it from his body language, but the rest really needed a translation. Afterwards the one fluent Urdu speaker in the group found he couldn’t really begin to explain it. It was, he said, all something to do with fate but it would require repeated listening to even begin to translate accurately. It came out later as something like “Day and night, summer and winter, rains, they are all natural. Just like that, sport is also the same. Wins and losses will always be there. We need to accept it, and we do. It’s the law of nature, it’s not in our control, so what else can we do? What we can do is have intent, for the rest we can only pray.”

Which made a change from the usual “Well, of course the boys are disappointed but we haven’t become a bad side overnight”. Mushtaq got some affectionate ribbing for it in the media, and maybe it was a bit rich for the head coach to say it’s just kismet. But it has worked out for him. Six weeks later his Pakistan team are in the final of the World T20 for the first time since 2009. They have tripped and stumbled through the tournament, they lost one game against India that turned on a no-ball call in the last over, another against Zimbabwe when they somehow ended up two runs short of the smallest total that has been defended in the tournament.

They made it to the semi-finals only because the Netherlands beat South Africa. “We’re only here because of a miracle”, said their assistant coach Matthew Hayden in his team talk last Sunday. “T20 cricket is one of those games that you can overtrain, overthink and overplan for,” he continued. “When I look at this side I think we’re such a good reactive team, when we’ve got the energy there, when we’ve got the commitment and belief, then magic unfolds”. Hayden spoke about how proud he was of the way they had taken a day off. Then told the players to play “forgetful cricket” because “who cares what’s happened over the last three weeks?”

Regardless, there is something pretty charming about this mystical tinge to Pakistan’s coaching, especially in a format of the sport that has become so mired in numbers that there seems to be a new statistic for every last variable, as if, yes, the source of the wound can be determined and calculated with the finest instruments, false shot percentages, pitch maps and win probabilities.

Here instead is a Pakistan team who are being encouraged to play by instinct. Yes, they’ve doubtless got an excellent analyst working for them behind the scenes too, but still, in a tournament full of twists and turns, their take-as-it-comes approach to cricket is paying off.

That magic was there to see in their semi-final against New Zealand. It was there in the very first over, when Finn Allen hit Shaheen Shah Afridi’s opening ball down the ground for four. Afridi smiled as if he knew he had the better of him, set himself to bowl the same delivery again, only a little straighter this time, and beat Allen so convincingly that umpire Marais Erasmus felt he had to give him out. Erasmus got that one wrong, there was an inside edge, but not the next, which was the same ball again and trapped Allen stone dead. It was there again in the way Babar Azam attacked the bowling after Devon Conway had dropped him. For all the planning and preparation, the game still turns on how players handle themselves in those moments.

They are, always have been, a team of eddying brilliance, whose games ebb and flow according to the occasion. It is what Saqlain might call a law of nature.

Link: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...istan-to-triumph-through-instinct-t20-cricket
 
I was supporting you since day 1! You proved misbah was the problem with his defensive mind set!
 
The England coaching unit and think tank completely outdid the likes of Saqlain today.

England's tactics to the Pakistan batters, the areas they bowled at to them, the field-placings, the plans and when England batted they utilised the ground dimensions etc

Instead Pakistan's tactics seemed to be save wickets and then hit and hope.
 
Time to bring ABD & a new bowling coach in , we need a fresh start so it has to be the coach as the player pool will remain the same more or less ,
 
Saj said:
The England coaching unit and think tank completely outdid the likes of Saqlain today.

England's tactics to the Pakistan batters, the areas they bowled at to them, the field-placings, the plans and when England batted they utilised the ground dimensions etc

Instead Pakistan's tactics seemed to be save wickets and then hit and hope.
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Yes but our batsman are very average. We need to find batsman that cam play on faster wickets and that's a problem we have had for decades.
 
How did this beardy fundo get a job in the Pakistan think tank after he was sacked as a former successful player? On what basis was he hired? Is he actually a qualified coach by international standards?
 
Bewal Express said:
Yes but our batsman are very average. We need to find batsman that cam play on faster wickets and that's a problem we have had for decades.
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Imran Khan used to make his batsmen play against short pitched tennis balls in the nets if I recall correctly. We won against the greatest fast bowling team in history during his captaincy. Not an accident.
 
Saqlain Mushtaq at end of Day 1 of the 1st Test against England:

“England played very well today and we could not bowl according to our plan. There was also a problem with the pitch and I think it should have been more supportive. They just outclassed us and we must credit them"

“Shaheen was injured, all we had were these bowlers and we were relying on them. They are also good, their performance was also good but we just couldn’t bowl as per plan"

“Muhammad Ali was performing well in domestic cricket, while Abrar and Zahid were also putting up wonderful performances in the camp. We strive to be fair in the selection of the team.

“Both the players were bowling brilliantly in the camp and were doing what they were supposed to do. We needed a bowler who can bowl in long spells with Haris and Naseem. But credit goes to England who had planned well against us.”

Saqlain then went on to respond to a question regarding the outcome of the ongoing Test and emphasized not to talk about it on the first day.

“No doubt England played well on the first day but we should think about the result as of yet. It was their day and they outplayed us,"
 
MenInG said:
Saqlain Mushtaq at end of Day 1 of the 1st Test against England:

“England played very well today and we could not bowl according to our plan. There was also a problem with the pitch and I think it should have been more supportive. They just outclassed us and we must credit them"

“Shaheen was injured, all we had were these bowlers and we were relying on them. They are also good, their performance was also good but we just couldn’t bowl as per plan","
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Why is he naming Shaheen in his comments?? Everyone knows that Shaheen is injured and even Shaheen was average in Australia test series. He should talk about team selection, strategy & game plan
 
Shaheen couldn't do jack on this wicket either. Pakistan will force their pacers to retire from test cricket if they keep playing them on such dead wickets.
 
He's admitting the fault in broad daylight that we couldn't ball according to plan.

That means the paindou leader on the ground is clearly thinking other things apart from cricket. And has no interest in what's happening on the field.

It's not the pitch. It's just shameful approach from everyone all around.
 
MenInG said:
Saqlain Mushtaq at end of Day 1 of the 1st Test against England:

“England played very well today and we could not bowl according to our plan. There was also a problem with the pitch and I think it should have been more supportive. They just outclassed us and we must credit them"

“Shaheen was injured, all we had were these bowlers and we were relying on them. They are also good, their performance was also good but we just couldn’t bowl as per plan"

“Muhammad Ali was performing well in domestic cricket, while Abrar and Zahid were also putting up wonderful performances in the camp. We strive to be fair in the selection of the team.

“Both the players were bowling brilliantly in the camp and were doing what they were supposed to do. We needed a bowler who can bowl in long spells with Haris and Naseem. But credit goes to England who had planned well against us.”

Saqlain then went on to respond to a question regarding the outcome of the ongoing Test and emphasized not to talk about it on the first day.

“No doubt England played well on the first day but we should think about the result as of yet. It was their day and they outplayed us,"
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Disgraceful comments.
 
MenInG said:
Saqlain Mushtaq at end of Day 1 of the 1st Test against England:

“England played very well today and we could not bowl according to our plan. There was also a problem with the pitch and I think it should have been more supportive. They just outclassed us and we must credit them"

“Shaheen was injured, all we had were these bowlers and we were relying on them. They are also good, their performance was also good but we just couldn’t bowl as per plan"

“Muhammad Ali was performing well in domestic cricket, while Abrar and Zahid were also putting up wonderful performances in the camp. We strive to be fair in the selection of the team.

“Both the players were bowling brilliantly in the camp and were doing what they were supposed to do. We needed a bowler who can bowl in long spells with Haris and Naseem. But credit goes to England who had planned well against us.”

Saqlain then went on to respond to a question regarding the outcome of the ongoing Test and emphasized not to talk about it on the first day.

“No doubt England played well on the first day but we should think about the result as of yet. It was their day and they outplayed us,"
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Responding to the journalist who asked why he picked Zahid over Abrar who’s in form he said both were equally good in the nets but we decided to give Zahid a go because he’s been with the side for over an year. Time to shut down FC cricket. Now players will be picked on travel history and nets performances.
 
We need to get out of this stupid equal opportunities culture.

Zahid is picked because he’s been with the team longer - it will look bad if another guy who has just been selected gets an opportunity ahead of him.

Misbah has introduced this because he was rightly a bench warmer for a decade because he was a pathetic player that had no hope of competing with Inzi, younis and yousuf.

So he introduced things “give more opportunities to old guys” culture.

We need to get rid of this rubbish. It should be illegal to debut at the age of 34. If you’ve been hard done by in the past…ok wrong but it’s equally wrong taking the place of more deserving younger players.
 
Saqlain is not qualified to coach a school team , he got and keeping the job for non-cricketing reasons , thanks to Maulvi TJ.
 
Saqi just babbling pathetic excuses, yet another cluess employee taking pakistan cricket backwards.
 
Saqlain doesn’t seem to be the person to take Pakistan forwards in cricket for me.
 
Knew that this fraud will continue as a signboard coach. Yesterday he claimed "It is an excitement day, lots of runs came"
 
How long can Saqlain hide under this style of operation?
 
Its time for Saqlain to be shown the door. We have lost every crucial game/series under his belt in the past year or so. He is just too much of a nice guy.

Need somebody with a vision or boldness.
 
He’s worse than Waqar tactically and maybe marginally better as a man manager.

While Waqar used the stick, Saqlain is overly nice with his “everyone is a winner” buddy buddy ideology.

We know Babar is hard to work with, maybe that’s why they chose a coach who would just go along with everything.

Wasim and Babar had run ins at Karachi Kings. Wasim is a tough taskmaster like Waqar, both probably got their no nonsense managing attitude from Imran.

Ofc it takes more than a no nonsense attitude to be a coach though.

Having said that, I think Wasim has potential as a coach but he doesn’t want to get involved with PCB dramaybaaz, which I completely understand.
 
Suleiman said:
He’s worse than Waqar tactically and maybe marginally better as a man manager.

While Waqar used the stick, Saqlain is overly nice with his “everyone is a winner” buddy buddy ideology.
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Saqlain wasn't used to be like this in his playing days. He used to be very competitive. His duels with Tendulkar were legendary.

Don't know what happened to him in his coaching avatar, he has mellowed down so much. May its due to his age.
 
Babar embarrassed by this am sure

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Inzamam backs Saqlain and current coaches:

“In my tenure, Mickey Arthur did well but now Saqlain Mushtaq and Mohammad Yousuf are also doing well. It is not about national or international coach, whoever has played cricket can coach.”
 
MenInG said:
Inzamam backs Saqlain and current coaches:

“In my tenure, Mickey Arthur did well but now Saqlain Mushtaq and Mohammad Yousuf are also doing well. It is not about national or international coach, whoever has played cricket can coach.”
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Inzimam’s relaxed mindset could potentially wreck PZ if he gives Babar a free hand
 
MenInG said:
Inzamam backs Saqlain and current coaches:

“In my tenure, Mickey Arthur did well but now Saqlain Mushtaq and Mohammad Yousuf are also doing well. It is not about national or international coach, whoever has played cricket can coach.”
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This is the maulvi backing - nothing else
 
So Saqlain's contract expires in a few weeks.

He was okay as a short-term interim measure. There was a fleeting feel good factor with the 2021 T20 World Cup run. However it was soon evident his coaching consisted of little more than shabaashes and backslaps, with Babar being given total authority by Ramiz.

Will go down as the worst PAK coaching tenure unfortunately.
 
Markhor said:
So Saqlain's contract expires in a few weeks.

He was okay as a short-term interim measure. There was a fleeting feel good factor with the 2021 T20 World Cup run. However it was soon evident his coaching consisted of little more than shabaashes and backslaps, with Babar being given total authority by Ramiz.

Will go down as the worst PAK coaching tenure unfortunately.
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You conveniently forgot we also reached 2022 WorldT20 final and 2022 Asia Cup Final under Saqlain

Remind what Waqar, Misbah and Mickey had achieved outside of the 2017 CT?

Ungrateful fans deserve humiliation
 
msb314 said:
You conveniently forgot we also reached 2022 WorldT20 final and 2022 Asia Cup Final under Saqlain

Remind what Waqar, Misbah and Mickey had achieved outside of the 2017 CT?

Ungrateful fans deserve humiliation
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Our test team showed how poor a coach is saqlain mushtaq. We have always been a good t20 team.
 
msb314 said:
You conveniently forgot we also reached 2022 WorldT20 final and 2022 Asia Cup Final under Saqlain

Remind what Waqar, Misbah and Mickey had achieved outside of the 2017 CT?

Ungrateful fans deserve humiliation
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Remind me did we win either one of those finals ?

We couldn't beat an average Sri Lankan team even after reducing them to 58-5.

We got lucky in the World Cup after Netherlands caused a miraculous upset - saving our skins having lost to Zimbabwe chasing a modest total, and a monumental choke against India when they were 31-4.

I'm not a Misbah or Waqar fan, and vocally criticised their coaching tenures. However we didn't lose a home Test series under Misbah or Waqar, and Mickey actually won a tournament, and oversaw our rise to #1 in T20 rankings.

Meanwhile Saqlain has overseen our first ever home Test series whitewash, four successive home Test defeats, and eight winless home Tests in a row.

If you think that's something to be grateful for, perhaps you're watching the wrong sport.
 
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