Quinton de Kock opts out of match against the West Indies after refusing to take knee

[Ozymandiasza]

I find some of the messages supporting De Cock Mind boggling. Some very simple facts:

- He is a white guy from a country that imposed apartheid for over a 100 years upto the 90s. Some sensitivity towards his country's history needed to be taken into account.
- He made the decision knowing the rest of the team were going to take the stand - so at the very least, he was abandoning his team (forgetting the more serious implications)
- Bavuma is South Africa's first black captain so the decision looks even more difficult to understand.
- The most important fact - the BLM is recognosed world wide and a show of support for the minorities. If people do not understand the need for such a stance, they have no knowledge about how blacks get treated in USA. They have no appreciation of the direct racism shown towards blacks in many Eurpean countries. The cold and simple fact is : anyone who refuses to support such a motion is bigot and a racist. End of story.

Conclusion - De Cock is a racist. This is not meant to be an insult and I am not trying to be derogatory. He is a racist and it is no surprise because if people thing there are no whites in South Africa who covet the apartheid era, they are mistaken.

I hope he never plays for South Africa again.

Apartheid didn't last 100 years. Blm is an American political movement. South African blacks weren't slaves. Conclusion, you are a racist.

 

[Balthazar]

CSA should kick this guy out. When every team is showing support and stand united against racism, what is the problem with this guy.

 

[dildilpak]

Both sides are wrong on this - CSA should not forced anybody to take a knee. Even here in the US, taking a knee is a personal choice & it should be kept that way, because ultimately punishing a player due to his political/racial views are undemocratic.

But on the other hand Dekock & others should have realized that if there is any country in the world which has suffered the most due to racism it is SA - the wounds of apartheid are pretty much raw & the disparity between the Africans & the Europeans in that country is still pretty large to be ignored. I dont know how can De kock in his good conscience face his African team mates if he cant acknowledge & condemn the racism which they or their families might have invariably suffered from. Regardless of his beliefs, he should have taken the knee to support his mates.

 

[the Great Khan]

Both sides are wrong on this - CSA should not forced anybody to take a knee. Even here in the US, taking a knee is a personal choice & it should be kept that way, because ultimately punishing a player due to his political/racial views are undemocratic.

But on the other hand Dekock & others should have realized that if there is any country in the world which has suffered the most due to racism it is SA - the wounds of apartheid are pretty much raw & the disparity between the Africans & the Europeans in that country is still pretty large to be ignored. I dont know how can De kock in his good conscience face his African team mates if he cant acknowledge & condemn the racism which they or their families might have invariably suffered from. Regardless of his beliefs, he should have taken the knee to support his mates.

Agree with your second part and disagree with the first. South Africa's unique history means taking the knee is more than just a small gesture.

Apartheid South Africa was a criminal cruel enterprise and white players need to understand its impact on black Africans or simply retire. QDK is a racist and should ne er wear that shirt again.

 

[Mobashir]

CSA should kick this guy out. When every team is showing support and stand united against racism, what is the problem with this guy.

Who told you he isn't showing support?
Pakistani team isn't taking the knee, so this mean they aren't showing support?

 

[the Great Khan]

Who told you he isn't showing support?
Pakistani team isn't taking the knee, so this mean they aren't showing support?

The Pakistan team weren't part of a system that treated black people like animals..

 

[Ozymandiasza]

The Pakistan team weren't part of a system that treated black people like animals..

But slavery against other people is fine, as long as they aren't black? Googling Pakistan and slavery I see multiple articles of MODERN day slavery.

 

[Mobashir]

The Pakistan team weren't part of a system that treated black people like animals..

Man no one ever took the knee in SA for nearly 4 decades. It was even ok not to take it in the first match and suddenly the incompetent SA board decided on Monday evening that if you don't take the knee you can't play. And even worse, the PPers decide that if you don't take the knee you are a racist.

 

[dildilpak]

Agree with your second part and disagree with the first. South Africa's unique history means taking the knee is more than just a small gesture.

Apartheid South Africa was a criminal cruel enterprise and white players need to understand its impact on black Africans or simply retire. QDK is a racist and should ne er wear that shirt again.

Call me old fashioned or naive, but i genuinely think that personal beliefs & sports should be separate, lets leave it at that. But yea, he definitely is tone deaf to the history & wounds of the people of that country.

 

[Balthazar]

Who told you he isn't showing support?
Pakistani team isn't taking the knee, so this mean they aren't showing support?

They should have. Do you honestly believe there is no racism in your culture? In India, some vermins were targetting north east Indian people during covid peak time because of their resemblance to Chinese. And that's just one example.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Man no one ever took the knee in SA for nearly 4 decades. It was even ok not to take it in the first match and suddenly the incompetent SA board decided on Monday evening that if you don't take the knee you can't play. And even worse, the PPers decide that if you don't take the knee you are a racist.

QdK is the bravest man in cricket. Much braver than any virtue signaling fake will ever be. He has demonstrated that there are things more important than cricket and the criminal enterprises that run your beloved country. He's receiving a lot of support from home.

 

[dildilpak]

But it is equally appalling how the quota system is causing harm to the SA team structure & bonding. The way players like Faf, ABD were treated would have definitely played a part in how Qdk is reacting now. I am not surprised if the European origin players in that team think they are being targeted & explicitly scrutinized by the administrators for their skin color.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Quinton must learn from Indian side. Despite turning deaf ears towards planned pogroms, lynching, and minority killing since 2014, they are still supporting BLM campaign.

 

[the Great Khan]

But slavery against other people is fine, as long as they aren't black? Googling Pakistan and slavery I see multiple articles of MODERN day slavery.

Oh please. Stop with the idiotic comparisons. Tell me have you ever faced systemic racism? Apartheid us worse than that. For a white player in South Africa to act like this is abhorrent. Their govt is right to impose positive discrimination to rebalanced the system. If white players don't like it they can leave. End of.

 

[Ab Fan]

Good decision by QDk.

 

[the Great Khan]

But it is equally appalling how the quota system is causing harm to the SA team structure & bonding. The way players like Faf, ABD were treated would have definitely played a part in how Qdk is reacting now. I am not surprised if the European origin players in that team think they are being targeted & explicitly scrutinized by the administrators for their skin color.

Cry me a river. They had over a hundred years of privilege that continues. Just look at the stats..it is entirely right to impose positive discrimination to balance things and provide opportunity to black people that has been denied them. Only people who have never lived within a racist system would trivialise this.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Oh please. Stop with the idiotic comparisons. Tell me have you ever faced systemic racism? Apartheid us worse than that. For a white player in South Africa to act like this is abhorrent. Their govt is right to impose positive discrimination to rebalanced the system. If white players don't like it they can leave. End of.

I'm facing systemic racism right now. I'm automatically disqualified from any government position, and many private sector positions because of the colour of my skin.

https://www.news24.com/news24/south...race-promotion-equality-court-battle-20211022

Here's a recent example of an Afrikaner that had to take the Justice Department of our government to court because they were discriminating against him based on the colour of his skin. He won.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Cry me a river. They had over a hundred years of privilege that continues. Just look at the stats..it is entirely right to impose positive discrimination to balance things and provide opportunity to black people that has been denied them. Only people who have never lived within a racist system would trivialise this.

Concentration camps are a privilege? You know nothing of South Africa, and seem to confuse South African history with American history. You seem to generalise greatly about Afrikaners as well. I'm starting to suspect you are a racist.

 

[drubwrubnat]

Im firm believer that a person

who is keeping quiet/ neutral/ refusing to chant slogans/ staying put/ no opinion/ doesn’t comment/ refuses to condemn or participate

Is well within his rights to remain that way.

Something like the 5th amendment in the us constitution.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

So are the players going to take the knee for the rest of their lives? Maybe enforce it before lunch or going to use the restrooms as well.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Good decision by QDk.

I wouldn't say it's a good decision because it is such a sensitive issue, and any decision can quite rightly create issues.

I will say that a lot of posters judging QdK need to relax until we get more information.

Needless to say, there might be some personal issues at play. CSA is no doubt tackling racism, but the recent events with not congratulating Faf+Tahir, along with the statements made by previous players regarding Graeme Smith.

 

[the Great Khan]

Concentration camps are a privilege? You know nothing of South Africa, and seem to confuse South African history with American history. You seem to generalise greatly about Afrikaners as well. I'm starting to suspect you are a racist.

I know about the boer war. I also know that you imposed an apartheid system on the black population. Do you deny this. Its unfortunate you are now facing the same and as a Muslim I hate racism I all its forms. Positi e discrimination should not be used to do the things that were done to others. On the flip side I'd like to hear from black South Africans living in townships who are still struggling to get to the top thanks to the online effects of the system your ancestors created. I suggest more self reflection is better than all g brown and black people racists when we all know who are and were the biggest racists.

 

[the Great Khan]

So are the players going to take the knee for the rest of their lives? Maybe enforce it before lunch or going to use the restrooms as well.

If it were me I would make it an indefinite gesture until visible change in society became apparent.

 

[the Great Khan]

Im firm believer that a person

who is keeping quiet/ neutral/ refusing to chant slogans/ staying put/ no opinion/ doesn’t comment/ refuses to condemn or participate

Is well within his rights to remain that way.

Something like the 5th amendment in the us constitution.

Some would say that means they are complicit.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

I know about the boer war. I also know that you imposed an apartheid system on the black population. Do you deny this. Its unfortunate you are now facing the same and as a Muslim I hate racism I all its forms. Positi e discrimination should not be used to do the things that were done to others. On the flip side I'd like to hear from black South Africans living in townships who are still struggling to get to the top thanks to the online effects of the system your ancestors created. I suggest more self reflection is better than all g brown and black people racists when we all know who are and were the biggest racists.

My ancestors are not English. We do enough self reflections as our crimes were and always have been segregation from Europe and the Bantu, not enslavement, as you all would like us to believe. I will never feel guilty for the actions of others, as I only have control over my own thoughts and actions.

As a religious man, tell me how can 664 men survive against an army of 15000 - 30000 Zulu if not by the grace of God? Not only did they win, they didn't lose a single man and defeated the Zulu army. They took a vow with God before the battle, and they were handed an unprecedented victory. The Afrikaner believe we are here because of the grace of God, and are God's people (like the Jews). This happened before the boer war and we are still here. I suggest you look up the battle of blood river, and day of the vow.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Indian team kneeling was far more embarrassing for me to watch than the entire defeat itself.

I mean these guys talk about how they're proud brahmins, rajputs, and so on, don't utter a peep about the demonisation of minorities happening in our country, but latch on to a cause started by Kaepernick & co taking on the power structures within America. I cringed when I saw that and hopefully they don't do it. In fact, any subcontinent team doing so is embarrassing given the state of minorities in their respective countries.

Why being a proud Rajput or Brahmin is an issue? Is it causing any harm to anyone? Are they mistreating anyone?

Why are you so intent on ramming down your leftist liberal opinions down people's throats and if they dont accept it for you they are wrong.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Some would say that means they are complicit.

Many would say its their fundamental right to liberty.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

My ancestors are not English. We do enough self reflections as our crimes were and always have been segregation from Europe and the Bantu, not enslavement, as you all would like us to believe. I will never feel guilty for the actions of others, as I only have control over my own thoughts and actions.

As a religious man, tell me how can 664 men survive against an army of 15000 - 30000 Zulu if not by the grace of God? Not only did they win, they didn't lose a single man and defeated the Zulu army. They took a vow with God before the battle, and they were handed an unprecedented victory. The Afrikaner believe we are here because of the grace of God, and are God's people (like the Jews). This happened before the boer war and we are still here. I suggest you look up the battle of blood river, and day of the vow.

Please stop mate.

Reading between the lines most sensible neutrals can understand the meaning behind QDK's stance and the style of your post.

You can whine all you want about positive discrimination but your attitude indicates you are all for discrimination that benefits you.

 

[drubwrubnat]

If it were me I would make it an indefinite gesture until visible change in society became apparent.

Interesting , You are free to pay to get BLM logos on icc uniforms.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Please stop mate.

Reading between the lines most sensible neutrals can understand the meaning behind QDK's stance and the style of your post.

You can whine all you want about positive discrimination but your attitude indicates you are all for discrimination that benefits you.

I won't stop, and I don't care what buzzwords you use to brand the latest form of discrimination.

You can apply whatever bias you want, they are fallacious, and our courts agree.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm facing systemic racism right now. I'm automatically disqualified from any government position, and many private sector positions because of the colour of my skin.

https://www.news24.com/news24/south...race-promotion-equality-court-battle-20211022

Here's a recent example of an Afrikaner that had to take the Justice Department of our government to court because they were discriminating against him based on the colour of his skin. He won.

What is the percentage of white people in SA?

What is the percentage of Black Coloured and Indian origin?

What is the reservation in terms of percentage for each section in govt jobs and education?

 

[cricketjoshila]

QdK is the bravest man in cricket. Much braver than any virtue signaling fake will ever be. He has demonstrated that there are things more important than cricket and the criminal enterprises that run your beloved country. He's receiving a lot of support from home.

QDK has more spine than the entire BCCI.

BCCI and Indian team showed support to a movement that insulted Gandhi and vandalised his statues.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

What is the percentage of white people in SA?

What is the percentage of Black Coloured and Indian origin?

What is the reservation in terms of percentage for each section in govt jobs and education?

It varies greatly by province, which is a major point of friction. The majority of coloureds are in the Western Cape. The majority of Indians are in KwaZulu-Natal. During the latest riots and looting instigated by the criminals of the ANC in KwaZulu-Natal Natal and Gauteng, the Indian and Muslim community defended themselves against looters killing 34, I believe. They were branded as racists for defending themselves against criminals because the police are too useless to do their job. Over 300 people died during the carnage.

On the lighter side, the was quite an interesting clip of a Muslim William Wallace readying his men with a mass of people coming from the horizon. Here's the clip: https://vidmax.com/video/205700-sou...ians-for-war-against-the-looting-zombie-horde

Communities had to fend for themselves against a mob of criminals.

 

[street cricketer]

Why being a proud Rajput or Brahmin is an issue? Is it causing any harm to anyone? Are they mistreating anyone?

Why are you so intent on ramming down your leftist liberal opinions down people's throats and if they dont accept it for you they are wrong.

"What's wrong in celebrating Pakistan cricket team's victory in India? Is it causing any harm to anyone? Are they mistreating anyone?

Why are you so intent on ramming down your far right conservative opinions down people's throats and if they dont accept it for you they are traitors."

See you do the same thing. I could say the same to you above but I don't criticise your right to an opinion, but at the same time I have a right to an opinion as well. I just think casteism is an inherent flaw in the hindu society and I think that hindus must eventually give up their castes and start living as hindus rather than brahmins and kshatriyas or whatever mumbo jumbo.

There's not a single community without flaws and I believe each community must reform itself over time to progress as a society. The westerners did it about a century ago, east asians like Japanese, Koreans and Chinese did it around 30-50 years ago, and I believe Indians should have a cultural reform as well to catch up with the westerners and east asians. A society that fails to reform itself remains stuck in a limbo without much progress. You might not agree sure, but this is just my personal opinion and the state of the subcontinent in comparison to west and particularly south east asia, which wasn't much different from the subcontinent a few decades back, only validates it.

 

[drubwrubnat]

QdK is the bravest man in cricket. Much braver than any virtue signaling fake will ever be. He has demonstrated that there are things more important than cricket and the criminal enterprises that run your beloved country. He's receiving a lot of support from home.

Could you please put forth your point of view, in more simple language, on why you are against QDK taking the knee.
Some of us are not aware of the underlying issues in SA.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It varies greatly by province, which is a major point of friction. The majority of coloureds are in the Western Cape. The majority of Indians are in KwaZulu-Natal. During the latest riots and looting instigated by the criminals of the ANC in KwaZulu-Natal Natal and Gauteng, the Indian and Muslim community defended themselves against looters killing 34, I believe. They were branded as racists for defending themselves against criminals because the police are too useless to do their job. Over 300 people died during the carnage.

On the lighter side, the was quite an interesting clip of a Muslim William Wallace readying his men with a mass of people coming from the horizon. Here's the clip: https://vidmax.com/video/205700-sou...ians-for-war-against-the-looting-zombie-horde

Communities had to fend for themselves against a mob of criminals.

So the black community attacked the other non white community? Why?

 

[cricketjoshila]

"What's wrong in celebrating Pakistan cricket team's victory in India? Is it causing any harm to anyone? Are they mistreating anyone?

Why are you so intent on ramming down your far right conservative opinions down people's throats and if they dont accept it for you they are traitors."

See you do the same thing. I could say the same to you above but I don't criticise your right to an opinion, but at the same time I have a right to an opinion as well. I just think casteism is an inherent flaw in the hindu society and I think that hindus must eventually give up their castes and start living as hindus rather than brahmins and kshatriyas or whatever mumbo jumbo.

There's not a single community without flaws and I believe each community must reform itself over time to progress as a society. The westerners did it about a century ago, east asians like Japanese, Koreans and Chinese did it around 30-50 years ago, and I believe Indians should have a cultural reform as well to catch up with the westerners and east asians. A society that fails to reform itself remains stuck in a limbo without much progress. You might not agree sure, but this is just my personal opinion and the state of the subcontinent in comparison to west and particularly south east asia, which wasn't much different from the subcontinent a few decades back, only validates it.

Are you unaware that Pakistan and India have fought 4 wars and are in a constant state of conflict? How many Indians have lost their lives to this conflict?

Have you been to Japan?

 

[Sir-fraz]

CSA should kick this guy out. When every team is showing support and stand united against racism, what is the problem with this guy.

Taking the knee has nothing to do woth racism.. its literally for show...

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Could you please put forth your point of view, in more simple language, on why you are against QDK taking the knee.
Some of us are not aware of the underlying issues in SA.

As simple as possible, politics has no place in sport. How many times do we have to prove this to ourselves? I am here to watch a sport, not be told what to believe, and be forced to believe, and only people of a certain belief group can play along, who I'm allowed to support, etc. Supporting ridiculous generalisations that all white people are racist so they have to kneel and chant certain phrases to proof they aren't. No one should be forced to do anything. He has a right to resist such measures, and for doing so alone he is brave, no denying that, I will support his right to do so with my dying breath.

 

[James]

My ancestors are not English. We do enough self reflections as our crimes were and always have been segregation from Europe and the Bantu, not enslavement, as you all would like us to believe. I will never feel guilty for the actions of others, as I only have control over my own thoughts and actions.

As a religious man, tell me how can 664 men survive against an army of 15000 - 30000 Zulu if not by the grace of God? Not only did they win, they didn't lose a single man and defeated the Zulu army. They took a vow with God before the battle, and they were handed an unprecedented victory. The Afrikaner believe we are here because of the grace of God, and are God's people (like the Jews). This happened before the boer war and we are still here. I suggest you look up the battle of blood river, and day of the vow.

I didn’t know that we had an Afrikaner nationalist and possible Boer separatist on PakPassion, but then again I was always told by my mother that you learn something new every day.

 

[James]

Could you please put forth your point of view, in more simple language, on why you are against QDK taking the knee.
Some of us are not aware of the underlying issues in SA.

I think we all already know the answer.

The “lot of support from home” will be coming from a very specific and relatively small group of people.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

I didn’t know that we had an Afrikaner nationalist and possible Boer separatist on PakPassion, but then again I was always told by my mother that you learn something new every day.

So many buzzwords. I can smell the arrogance of that grey island.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

I think we all already know the answer.

The “lot of support from home” will be coming from a very specific and relatively small group of people.

Who might that be, please enlighten us?

The comment section here seems pretty diverse:

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2021-10-26-csa-orders-proteas-players-to-take-knee-de-kock-withdraws-from-team/

 

[drubwrubnat]

As simple as possible, politics has no place in sport. How many times do we have to prove this to ourselves? I am here to watch a sport, not be told what to believe, and be forced to believe, and only people of a certain belief group can play along, who I'm allowed to support, etc. Supporting ridiculous generalisations that all white people are racist so they have to kneel and chant certain phrases to proof they aren't. No one should be forced to do anything. He has a right to resist such measures, and for doing so alone he is brave, no denying that, I will support his right to do so with my dying breath.

Thanks, imo, your points are worthy & reasonable. I also believe this.

 

[Sir-fraz]

Cry me a river. They had over a hundred years of privilege that continues. Just look at the stats..it is entirely right to impose positive discrimination to balance things and provide opportunity to black people that has been denied them. Only people who have never lived within a racist system would trivialise this.

Lol as soon as i hear privliage i know right away we got ourselves a victim..

You do know there were slaves other the black people? This world isnt black and white. The hand claps with both hands.

Are the black gonna blame their kings and queens of selling them into slavery?

Black people in the west have the highest amount of opportunity to succeed. They jave a choice of takibg advantage of being i the west. Either you sink or swim..

And why is it the immigrants from africa are doing better then the so called african americans??? Real question.. its called the american black culture is garbage... nothing will change untill the black community itself starts to promote positive lifestyles...

Victims will never look in the mirror and admit their own mistakes..

 

[street cricketer]

Are you unaware that Pakistan and India have fought 4 wars and are in a constant state of conflict? How many Indians have lost their lives to this conflict?

But they are not supporting the Pakistani state or its army establishment, are they? They are just supporting its cricket team.

Most of the Indian muslims support the Indian cricket team anyway. Only a tiny section amongst Indian muslims support Pakistan, which may be due to a variety of reasons. I've noted regional muslims in south india support India but the tiny amount of urdu speaking muslims can support Pakistan. I had a tamil muslim friend who was diehard fan of Dhoni, but I also had a muslim friend from an urdu speaking family. I remember talking with him once when he said his sister's favourite cricketer was Afridi. Assimilation happens gradually and may be affected by a variety of reasons. Tell me, if you were born in Bangladesh in your ancestral home and grew up there, despite all the anti hindu sentiment and regular riots against hindus in the country, would you still feel 'Bangladeshi' enough to support Bangladesh in cricket? Or would you be like these guys vilify and ill treat us always, why should I support their cricket team? Be honest. You'd probably secretly support India because you'd be culturally closer to India, and the state persecuting your country wouldn't help in matters for you to start supporting Bangladesh.

It's the same case with minorities in the subcontinent. They're treated badly in all the countries and so it's not really a surprise if a small fraction of them cannot feel truly 'Indian' or 'Pakistani' or 'Bangladeshi' enough. Have you ever thought about the possibility that like a small few Indian muslims supporting Pakistan, there would be some Pakistani and Bangladeshi hindus supporting the Indian cricket team too? Do you know that quite a few Sri Lankan tamils support India in cricket even over Sri Lanka. They are mostly from Jaffna, a region which experienced the worst of the genocide during the civil war. The Lankan Tamils from Colombo and interior tend to support Sri Lanka.

It's all about assimilation, and assimilation cannot happen with continuous polarisation. Polarisation creates two opposing sides in any society - hindu and muslim in our case, and if an Indian muslim feels his state is against his community or a Pakistani or Bangladeshi hindu feels his state ill treats his community, he will choose a side that doesn't ill treat him. More reconciliation would lead to more assimilation. If anything, the overwhelming majority of Indian muslims who remain loyal to the country and support the cricket team through its thick and thin should get Bharat Ratnas for their loyalty despite them getting a rough treatment in the last decade or so. I would say the same to the minorities in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka who continue to support their cricket teams because they all have been treated terribly in their respective countries.

Have you been to Japan?

No.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I won't stop, and I don't care what buzzwords you use to brand the latest form of discrimination.

You can apply whatever bias you want, they are fallacious, and our courts agree.

Mate, there is no bigger buzzword than believing you are God's chosen people. That is the buzzword of all buzzwords and the most biased of all biases.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Lol as soon as i hear privliage i know right away we got ourselves a victim..

You do know there were slaves other the black people? This world isnt black and white. The hand claps with both hands.

Are the black gonna blame their kings and queens of selling them into slavery?

Black people in the west have the highest amount of opportunity to succeed. They jave a choice of takibg advantage of being i the west. Either you sink or swim..

And why is it the immigrants from africa are doing better then the so called african americans??? Real question.. its called the american black culture is garbage... nothing will change untill the black community itself starts to promote positive lifestyles...

Victims will never look in the mirror and admit their own mistakes..

WOW.

I wonder how many here subscribe to your point of view. That is a frightening comment to make.

 

[Mobashir]

So are the players going to take the knee for the rest of their lives? Maybe enforce it before lunch or going to use the restrooms as well.

Yes, the guys who are in favor it here, does it everyday at the work, school, at home with families...

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It is a political movement of the leftists, nothing else.

Why should i participate a movement that has nothing to do with me or my country or anything i am closely associated with. I dont support racism, but doesn't mean i would go around waving flags for it. FYI, All lives matter.

Sitting in India i have the liberty to decide if i want to protest or not protest or support or not support an idea or movement. And no one will take away my livelihood for that.

I don't the Indians should take a knee either. It is an issue for western countries and countries like South Africa/Australia.

But the IPL is trying to portray itself as a global league and some of its biggest stars are black players who want to take the knee.

So they have a choice do they go for the global audience or do they go for hardcore BJP supporters like you.

On one hand you are cheerleader for the IPL because they are global league and on the other you cry because of the result of that globalisation.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Mate, there is no bigger buzzword than believing you are God's chosen people. That is the buzzword of all buzzwords and the most biased of all biases.

It's called a religion. They share a lot of commonalities with modern progressive movements. The chanting of phrases and assuming certain body positions to highlight you are "virtuous".

 

[the Great Khan]

My ancestors are not English. We do enough self reflections as our crimes were and always have been segregation from Europe and the Bantu, not enslavement, as you all would like us to believe. I will never feel guilty for the actions of others, as I only have control over my own thoughts and actions.

As a religious man, tell me how can 664 men survive against an army of 15000 - 30000 Zulu if not by the grace of God? Not only did they win, they didn't lose a single man and defeated the Zulu army. They took a vow with God before the battle, and they were handed an unprecedented victory. The Afrikaner believe we are here because of the grace of God, and are God's people (like the Jews). This happened before the boer war and we are still here. I suggest you look up the battle of blood river, and day of the vow.

Sorry I don't get what your trying to say here. Are you saying because you defeated a African zulu army you deserve by the grace of God to impose your racist system upon those you defeated? Does this also then mean that if you are thus defeated the black Africans now have the right to impose their system upon you?

Frankly you need to understand a simple equation. Just because your afrikaner doesn't make you any better or worse than a black African or vice versa. You system of separation is racist. You are not God's chosen people. You are people. Who do good and bad and will be judged in this world and the next. End of.

Coming onto your support for qdk. I have a very simple question do you support the separation of whites and blacks?
Also you mentioned politics shouldn't be part of sport then why weren't blacks allowed to play in any major South African team for years?? Wasn't that playing politics? Now when the shoe is on the other foot you cry. At least you can go to a judge who can rule in your favour or against a privilege you refused to grant to the people you saw as unpeople. Or lesser beings. In other words you sir are a hypocrite.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

If it were me I would make it an indefinite gesture until visible change in society became apparent.

Better to reflect the solidarity and counter racism through actions (long term by making them feel welcome through your behavior and educating the public) rather than a gesture every day. Changes occur through promotion of harmony and educating the public from the basic level that color of your skin doesn't matter and shouldn't matter. Making a gesture isn't going to clear the hearts of people who think otherwise but balanced arguments to counter their beliefs stand a better chance.

 

[the Great Khan]

Lol as soon as i hear privliage i know right away we got ourselves a victim..

You do know there were slaves other the black people? This world isnt black and white. The hand claps with both hands.

Are the black gonna blame their kings and queens of selling them into slavery?

Black people in the west have the highest amount of opportunity to succeed. They jave a choice of takibg advantage of being i the west. Either you sink or swim..

And why is it the immigrants from africa are doing better then the so called african americans??? Real question.. its called the american black culture is garbage... nothing will change untill the black community itself starts to promote positive lifestyles...

Victims will never look in the mirror and admit their own mistakes..

I'm sorry but are you a black American? Do you know anything about systemic organised racism? Of course you don't. Your probably some bacha who has just got out of uni in a decent job all proud that your worked hard and can't understand why you can do it but 9thers can't? I will simply put your post down to immature ignorance and leave you with a simple comment " when talking about oppression it is better to hear from the oppressed rather than the oppressor"

 

[the Great Khan]

Better to reflect the solidarity and counter racism through actions (long term by making them feel welcome through your behavior and educating the public) rather than a gesture every day. Changes occur through promotion of harmony and educating the public from the basic level that color of your skin doesn't matter and shouldn't matter. Making a gesture isn't going to clear the hearts of people who think otherwise but balanced arguments to counter their beliefs stand a better chance.

Yes yes and all that. But the gesture has a purpose. To highlight the issues white people don't want to talk about. They would rather we become mired in talking about the issues but now black people are saying enough. Listen to us and talk about us. Enough of the oppression. The gesture is the start. But you need a start.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Sorry I don't get what your trying to say here. Are you saying because you defeated a African zulu army you deserve by the grace of God to impose your racist system upon those you defeated? Does this also then mean that if you are thus defeated the black Africans now have the right to impose their system upon you?

Frankly you need to understand a simple equation. Just because your afrikaner doesn't make you any better or worse than a black African or vice versa. You system of separation is racist. You are not God's chosen people. You are people. Who do good and bad and will be judged in this world and the next. End of.

Coming onto your support for qdk. I have a very simple question do you support the separation of whites and blacks?
Also you mentioned politics shouldn't be part of sport then why weren't blacks allowed to play in any major South African team for years?? Wasn't that playing politics? Now when the shoe is on the other foot you cry. At least you can go to a judge who can rule in your favour or against a privilege you refused to grant to the people you saw as unpeople. Or lesser beings. In other words you sir are a hypocrite.

Your questions take massive fallacious leaps. "So what you're trying to say is <insert white people are evil>."

No. I mean what I typed, not your loaded phrases that imply I'm a racist. Why do you make such assumptions about white people? Are you a racist? Afrikaans people are very religious, asking them to kneel is not just a simple gesture. I've been coming here a number of years, when I could just as easily hang out with my fellow "privileged white racists", why would I do that? I'm sure your brainwashed, demented mind could come up with some buzzwords.

I hope QdK sues them. They are violating a large number of his human rights, and liberties. I'm sure the lawyers are all licking their lips.

 

[The Googly]

Your questions take massive fallacious leaps. "So what you're trying to say is <insert white people are evil>."

No. I mean what I typed, not your loaded phrases that imply I'm a racist. Why do you make such assumptions about white people? Are you a racist? Afrikaans people are very religious, asking them to kneel is not just a simple gesture. I've been coming here a number of years, when I could just as easily hang out with my fellow "privileged white racists", why would I do that? I'm sure your brainwashed, demented mind could come up with some buzzwords.

I hope QdK sues them. They are violating a large number of his human rights, and liberties. I'm sure the lawyers are all licking their lips.

Hmm.. So QDK did not kneel because he is religous? In your earlier posts, you seemed to be playing down apartheid and raising black slavery as a bigger issue. You are forgetting that the white minority Afrikkaners stole farms from the blacks and enslaved them. Whichever way you look at it, QDKs stance looks very dodgy. He is a white Afrikaaner and should have respected his black colleagues and considered his country's appalling history of racism and decided - 'you know what - I may not like this but I should do it as it will cause issues if i don't'.

As I said - this should be the end of his career.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Hmm.. So QDK did not kneel because he is religous? In your earlier posts, you seemed to be playing down apartheid and raising black slavery as a bigger issue. You are forgetting that the white minority Afrikkaners stole farms from the blacks and enslaved them. Whichever way you look at it, QDKs stance looks very dodgy. He is a white Afrikaaner and should have respected his black colleagues and considered his country's appalling history of racism and decided - 'you know what - I may not like this but I should do it as it will cause issues if i don't'.

As I said - this should be the end of his career.

Your version of history never happened. There were no farms, who enslaved who, when? The name Boer literally means farmer, why would that be? Look into the genocide that is Mfecane. It was the Zulus that genocided millions of people. You know nothing of our history, people or customs.

There are multiple rugby playerd that also do not kneel due to religious reasons, it would not be uncommon for QDK to do the same:

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/s...s-matter-6ac49b5d-2670-4113-a08a-844e50ee298f

They are still playing and the team is still ranked world no 1. Does that anger you?

 

[The Googly]

Your version of history never happened. There were no farms, who enslaved who, when? The name Boer literally means farmer, why would that be? Look into the genocide that is Mfecane. It was the Zulus that genocided millions of people. You know nothing of our history, people or customs.

There are multiple rugby playerd that also do not kneel due to religious reasons, it would not be uncommon for QDK to do the same:

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/s...s-matter-6ac49b5d-2670-4113-a08a-844e50ee298f

They are still playing and the team is still ranked world no 1. Does that anger you?

Actually - I'm a big admirer of South African sport and like their rugby/cricket teams. I did say that the post was not meant to be derogatory towards QDK. It simply highlights my opinion (I may be wrong) that he's a racist. I do think you are playing down the incredible , ugly racism of the apartheid regime. They were horrendous.

 

[street cricketer]

My ancestors are not English. We do enough self reflections as our crimes were and always have been segregation from Europe and the Bantu, not enslavement, as you all would like us to believe. I will never feel guilty for the actions of others, as I only have control over my own thoughts and actions.

As a religious man, tell me how can 664 men survive against an army of 15000 - 30000 Zulu if not by the grace of God? Not only did they win, they didn't lose a single man and defeated the Zulu army. They took a vow with God before the battle, and they were handed an unprecedented victory. The Afrikaner believe we are here because of the grace of God, and are God's people (like the Jews). This happened before the boer war and we are still here. I suggest you look up the battle of blood river, and day of the vow.

Interesting. This sounds a lot similar to the Jewish belief viz a viz Israel.

I'm not a man of religion. Let's be honest here. Natural resources on earth are limited and highly valuable. Throughout history, groups of people have always fought with each other to gain hold of these limited resources and a stronger group (in terms of progress) has always bullied a weaker group to gain ownership of those resources. This is pretty much called as colonialism when the stronger group leaves its shores and goes in search of those resources to make use of it.

That is how white people, from Europe, ended up in all parts of the world like North America, South America, Australia and Africa, not because of some religious call given to the people to move to a particular far flung land to achieve their destiny. In fact, it's rather inhumane to say that God graced them and willed them to victory as it dehumanises those who lost like the aboriginal people who have been nearly wiped out in continents like North America and Australia. I've always believed sh** happened in history and people shouldn't be hung up over it. Most people would have taken advantage of or committed crimes against another group of people at some point in history, be it the whites, coloured people like Hindus, Muslims and this includes the black people. And no, the "miracle" of the battle of blood river happened because Europeans immigrants to Africa had far better armaments like cannons and fire arms while the African Zulu army had primitive fighting techniques like short spears and wooden shields. So it must have been basically like shooting fish in a barrel, not because God graced the Afrikaaner people to get settled in South Africa.

There is a similar "native-outsider" argument that happens in India when the muslims often get branded as outsiders. And mostly white people and coloured people to some extent get branded as outsiders in South Africa. These are all silly notions because people have always moved from one place to another and we all are ultimately migrants out of Africa. The key to peace in South Africa lies in reconciliation between the many races there - the black people should stop treating you as outsiders and discriminating against you/seeing you as invaders or enemies while you guys should stop calling yourselves as those chosen by God who blessed you to victory over the Zulus. That's like white Australians saying they were graced by God to move to chosen land that is Australia to have a resounding victory over the Aborigines, imagine what the Aboriginal people would think of such a view.

 

[The Googly]

Ah - perfectly fine to segregate, consider blacks as 3rd class , treat them like dirt. As long as you don't enslave them, all is good hey? And you supported South African regime banning Basil D'Olivera from touring in 67 too ? That was purely segregation yes? Not blatant racism?

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Actually - I'm a big admirer of South African sport and like their rugby/cricket teams. I did say that the post was not meant to be derogatory towards QDK. It simply highlights my opinion (I may be wrong) that he's a racist. I do think you are playing down the incredible , ugly racism of the apartheid regime. They were horrendous.

The current ANC regime is far worse, and more incompetent.

You are entitled to your opinion.

 

[The Googly]

The current ANC regime is far worse, and more incompetent.

You are entitled to your opinion.

Incompetent - definitely.

Worse? Maybe.

Does that make apartheid acceptable or does that make QDKs stance acceptable? No

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Ah - perfectly fine to segregate, consider blacks as 3rd class , treat them like dirt. As long as you don't enslave them, all is good hey? And you supported South African regime banning Basil D'Olivera from touring in 67 too ? That was purely segregation yes? Not blatant racism?

Where did I ever support any of that? I said they were our crimes... Your collective guilt rubbish will not work on me.

You seem to make a lot of fallacious assumptions about people simply because they are white. I hope you're just as quick to apologise.

 

[Technics 1210]

You got to hand it to the woke left; they are against authoritarianism but want to force BLM on others and those who do not accept are judged and ridiculed. Now we have these wet wipes justifying racism towards whites.

Facists and racists.

 

[Sir-fraz]

I'm sorry but are you a black American? Do you know anything about systemic organised racism? Of course you don't. Your probably some bacha who has just got out of uni in a decent job all proud that your worked hard and can't understand why you can do it but 9thers can't? I will simply put your post down to immature ignorance and leave you with a simple comment " when talking about oppression it is better to hear from the oppressed rather than the oppressor"

Nah but i have many black friends who openly talk about how their culture is trash.... not like any culture is perfect. There bad and good cultures.

But question is why are africans immigrants succeeding compared to black americans? Its called culture..

africans have a strong family system and culture of working hard to get what you want....

Black american family dynamic is down the drain with over 70% divorce rates...

Clearly its you who is ignorant. You havent backed you claims with any facts.. you can go search what i said..

Black people are like 15% of the american population but account for like 70% of the prisoners.. this isnt because of systemic racism.. black on black violence is one of the worst in america...

Stop promoting the vicitm mentality...

My parents came to the west with literally nothing... worked their ***** off and built something.. while i had the better opportunity of being born in the west.. in the low-middle class. I took my oppotunities presented and am making something out of my life.

People are lazy and weak minded and look to point the blame at someone else because its EASY way out.. instead of looking at the mirror to better themselves..

Jordan B Peterson.. 12 rules of life..

Lmao at your assumption. Do some od your own resrarch before falling for the corporate pushed propoganda..

They say give a man a fish he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish he eat forever...

You guys want to give handouts which never work.. quota dont work look SA cricket team...

 

[Sir-fraz]

WOW.

I wonder how many here subscribe to your point of view. That is a frightening comment to make.

How is it??? American blcck family dynamic doesnt exist.. 70% divroce rates...

African black culture is great. They have a strong family system and a work hard metality..

Not all cultures are equal, cultures can be good or bad.. you clearly are too ignorant to make that assessment..

South asian culture is hell racist, but they have stronf family values and ties, and a work hard mentality... their culture is alright..


Not like western culture is amazing either weak family system, medium work ethic.

You take the good and apply it to your own family culture..

Too many ignorant people..

 

[IMMY69]

Nah but i have many black friends who openly talk about how their culture is trash.... not like any culture is perfect. There bad and good cultures.

But question is why are africans immigrants succeeding compared to black americans? Its called culture..

africans have a strong family system and culture of working hard to get what you want....

Black american family dynamic is down the drain with over 70% divorce rates...

Clearly its you who is ignorant. You havent backed you claims with any facts.. you can go search what i said..

Black people are like 15% of the american population but account for like 70% of the prisoners.. this isnt because of systemic racism.. black on black violence is one of the worst in america...

Stop promoting the vicitm mentality...

My parents came to the west with literally nothing... worked their ***** off and built something.. while i had the better opportunity of being born in the west.. in the low-middle class. I took my oppotunities presented and am making something out of my life.

People are lazy and weak minded and look to point the blame at someone else because its EASY way out.. instead of looking at the mirror to better themselves..

Jordan B Peterson.. 12 rules of life..

Lmao at your assumption. Do some od your own resrarch before falling for the corporate pushed propoganda..

They say give a man a fish he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish he eat forever...

You guys want to give handouts which never work.. quota dont work look SA cricket team...

I think you're racist

 

[IMMY69]

^^^
You've literally just made a case for it

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

I love how so many keep bringing up BLM and pinning every action against racism and social injustice against the BLM movement. This is right out of the far right Trump white supremacist playbooks. Way to go people your ignorance is appalling

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Nah but i have many black friends who openly talk about how their culture is trash.... not like any culture is perfect. There bad and good cultures.

But question is why are africans immigrants succeeding compared to black americans? Its called culture..

africans have a strong family system and culture of working hard to get what you want....

Black american family dynamic is down the drain with over 70% divorce rates...

Clearly its you who is ignorant. You havent backed you claims with any facts.. you can go search what i said..

Black people are like 15% of the american population but account for like 70% of the prisoners.. this isnt because of systemic racism.. black on black violence is one of the worst in america...

Stop promoting the vicitm mentality...

My parents came to the west with literally nothing... worked their ***** off and built something.. while i had the better opportunity of being born in the west.. in the low-middle class. I took my oppotunities presented and am making something out of my life.

People are lazy and weak minded and look to point the blame at someone else because its EASY way out.. instead of looking at the mirror to better themselves..

Jordan B Peterson.. 12 rules of life..

Lmao at your assumption. Do some od your own resrarch before falling for the corporate pushed propoganda..

They say give a man a fish he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish he eat forever...

You guys want to give handouts which never work.. quota dont work look SA cricket team...

Haha you think “your hard work” got you where you are hahahaha some people are delusional

There are plenty of studies on why African Americans have such high incarceration rates but to comprehend these studies you need to have a brain which you clearly lack

 

[Sir-fraz]

I think you're racist

Lol yeah i dont care what you say.. i know what i am i treat people how i want to be treated..

What i pointed out were facts.. you can research this and come to your own conclusion. Black americans point this out themselves..

I literally deal with 1000s of people everyday i run and own a business i dont care what color you are as long as you pay and are respectful.. im a capitalist. Lmao clearly no racist....

Your most likely projecting.

 

[dildilpak]

Cry me a river. They had over a hundred years of privilege that continues. Just look at the stats..it is entirely right to impose positive discrimination to balance things and provide opportunity to black people that has been denied them. Only people who have never lived within a racist system would trivialise this.

How am i triviliasing racism by saying that Faf & ABD & others have been treated unfairly by CSA? Its CSA which is bringing politics in a sport by keeping their long-standing captain & best batsmen out of the team due to some crazy non-cricket stuff - barely have seen a board function as badly as CSA does.

More racism is not the solution to past racism. What CSA is doing is also racist towards its meritorious players who deserve a spot on the team - they are selling the sport & the country short by keeping them out of the team for non-cricketing reasons. Add Qdk to that list.

 

[Sir-fraz]

How am i triviliasing racism by saying that Faf & ABD & others have been treated unfairly by CSA? Its CSA which is bringing politics in a sport by keeping their long-standing captain & best batsmen out of the team due to some crazy non-cricket stuff - barely have seen a board function as badly as CSA does.

More racism is not the solution to past racism. What CSA is doing is also racist towards its meritorious players who deserve a spot on the team - they are selling the sport & the country short by keeping them out of the team for non-cricketing reasons. Add Qdk to that list.

The far leftist tools want to beat racism with racism lmaoo they literally dont have the mental capacity to understand what they are doing or trying to do is wrong..

 

[LaLoco]

Nah but i have many black friends who openly talk about how their culture is trash.... not like any culture is perfect. There bad and good cultures.

But question is why are africans immigrants succeeding compared to black americans? Its called culture..

africans have a strong family system and culture of working hard to get what you want....

Black american family dynamic is down the drain with over 70% divorce rates...

Clearly its you who is ignorant. You havent backed you claims with any facts.. you can go search what i said..

Black people are like 15% of the american population but account for like 70% of the prisoners.. this isnt because of systemic racism.. black on black violence is one of the worst in america...

Stop promoting the vicitm mentality...

My parents came to the west with literally nothing... worked their ***** off and built something.. while i had the better opportunity of being born in the west.. in the low-middle class. I took my oppotunities presented and am making something out of my life.

People are lazy and weak minded and look to point the blame at someone else because its EASY way out.. instead of looking at the mirror to better themselves..

Jordan B Peterson.. 12 rules of life..

Lmao at your assumption. Do some od your own resrarch before falling for the corporate pushed propoganda..

They say give a man a fish he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish he eat forever...

You guys want to give handouts which never work.. quota dont work look SA cricket team...

You do not understand what systemic racism is and you aren't the first one who has used "jail stat" and 'my parents came to this country with nothing" example, which again reinforce that you do not understand what 'systemic racism" is in the US.

 

[Sir-fraz]

Haha you think “your hard work” got you where you are hahahaha some people are delusional

There are plenty of studies on why African Americans have such high incarceration rates but to comprehend these studies you need to have a brain which you clearly lack

You must be projecting, studies done by who? Studies are one of the easiest things to fake its called using selective data to prove your point..

Literally everyone does it.. instead of being a low iq NPC go and do some research..

You got a little too emotional over facts. That you can go and research all i hear from your mouth is blah blah blah studies
.. what studies? MLK would literally be smacking all these woke idiots right now

 

[IMMY69]

The far leftist tools want to beat racism with racism lmaoo they literally dont have the mental capacity to understand what they are doing or trying to do is wrong..

Far Leftest?

I think you're too detached from reality

 

[IMMY69]

Lol yeah i dont care what you say.. i know what i am i treat people how i want to be treated..

What i pointed out were facts.. you can research this and come to your own conclusion. Black americans point this out themselves..

I literally deal with 1000s of people everyday i run and own a business i dont care what color you are as long as you pay and are respectful.. im a capitalist. Lmao clearly no racist....

Your most likely projecting.

No. You are exactly the reason why people would take a knee.

 

[Sir-fraz]

Far Leftest?

I think you're too detached from reality

Leftist* im pretty immersed. Bringing in quotas i.e. getting rid of the MERIT based system. Especially based on color is racist towards the player who deserve to get selexted but dont because they are white..

Literally trying to defeat racism with racism.. lets segregrate the society even more..

 

[Sir-fraz]

No. You are exactly the reason why people would take a knee.

Keep taking it.. literally only a small percentage of people are getting a lot of media attention. Its a dying stance.

You think the world is black and white but its grey neither good nor bad.

Utopias dont exist and will never exist, same with equality. There will always be the rich and the poor, the oppressed vs the oppressor.. even if humanity had a golden age someone somewhere will be getting shafted..

You are just delusional.... im realistic.