Quran learning made mandatory for university students in Punjab

[Major]

Students will not be awarded degrees if they do not study the Quran with Urdu translation

Dubai: In a surprise move, Governor of the Punjab Province of Pakistan Chaudhry Mohammad Sarwar has made the teaching of the Quran with translation mandatory in all universities in the province.

Governor Sarwar has issued the notification on Sunday making it mandatory for all the students in the universities (except non-Muslims) to learn the Quran with Urdu translation. The notification states that a student will not be awarded a degree if he or she does not study the Quran — the holy book of Muslims — with the Urdu translation.

“We have decided to make it compuslory to for the university students to learning the Quran with translation. It is a unanimous decisions of vice-chancellors of all the univerities in the province,” Governor Sarwar tweeted in Urdu.

Notification
Governor Sarwar issued the notification in his capacity as the Chancellor of all the universities in the province. In Pakistan, Governor of a province also acts as Chancellor of universities in the province and has the authority to make decisions related to courses and regulations in any university in a province.

“Lecturers in all universities of Punjab will teach the Quran with translation to all students,” said the notification. It added that the holy Book would be taught in addition to Islamic studies, which is already being taught at universities.


Governor Sarwar said that success in the world and the hereafter can only be achieved through proper implementation on the guidelines of the Holy Quran, Geo TV reported.

According to the notification of the committee, the Quran course may have equivalent to one credit hour per year as the relevant university feels appropriate.

The notification says that the assessment of the Quran course must require each candidate to pass/fail. The student may be further assigned a grade as in any other credit subject, if University feels necessary/appropriate. ”As a substitute, the non-Muslim students may be offered the subject of Ethics.

Vice Chancellors agree
In April, the Punjab governor had formed a seven-member committee of vice-chancellors to submit recommendations on how to make the teaching of the Quran with translation compulsory in all universities in the province. All the vice-chancellors agreed to the proposal of the governor.

He told the media on Sunday that the learning of the Quran with translation has been made mandatory because the Book is a complete code of life and its better understanding with translation would help improve the lives of people.


Jamaat-e-Islami influence
Most universities in Punjab have great influence of students from Islami-Jamiat Talaba-- an Islamic students outfit of famus religious group Jamaat-e-Islami. It has been there long-standing demand to include Islamic studies and the Quran teachings in the univeristies.

In Pakistan, Muslims children start learning the Quran as they start attending the primary school. However, they are taught the Quran only in Arabic without translation.

"The Quran learning with translation should be made mandatory in the primary school instead of makign the university students attend the Quran classes. It seems the Governor Punjab has taken the decision to win support of the Islamic groups which are quite strong in the province, said a top official.

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[Swashbuckler]

Students will not be awarded degrees if they do not study the Quran with Urdu translation

In Punjab province of Pakistan, is Urdu more common or Punjabi? Is Urdu taking the space of your regional languages?

Do you have language wars in Pakistan like you had in East Pakistan or like we see in India with Hindi vs other languages?

On topic I think religious studies in Universities should be left as optional subjects.

 

[Zeshan547]

It's a good move for Muslim students, liberals can whine all they want. Atleast it will sort out misconception about fundamentals of Islam.

 

[uberkoen]

I have no words.

This makes absolutely no sense to me

 

[shafkath]

Where are the Pakistanis on pakpassion from you guys are so secular or whatever the word you like to use. always amazes me.

I would be against this if it was imposed on non Muslim students, but its for Muslim students only, I think they're so blessed to have to fit these studies into there time at uni.

I'm from North England and went to uni in London, staying on track with my prayers at that age away from home and that too in London was a challenge.

 

[Energy]

Don't think this is true.

 

[uberkoen]

Where are the Pakistanis on pakpassion from �� you guys are so secular or whatever the word you like to use. always amazes me.

I would be against this if it was imposed on non Muslim students, but its for Muslim students only, I think they're so blessed to have to fit these studies into there time at uni.

I'm from North England and went to uni in London, staying on track with my prayers at that age away from home and that too in London was a challenge.

Why is it compulsory? Anyone who wants to learn can do so if and when they want it but why is it being imposed on people who don't want to?

 

[uberkoen]

Don't think this is true.

I seriously hope not.

 

[Major]

sources
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/6...ching-of-holy-quran-mandatory-in-universities

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2242732/1-reading-quran-made-compulsory-varsities/

https://www.dawn.com/news/1563606

 

[Arsal_AK]

Horrible decision. People will sit (sleep) in this class too as they with Islamiat already.

This along with Islamiat and Pakistan Studies should be an elective. Those who are serious about it will attend.

 

[Nadeemp]

What a terrible idea if true.

 

[last_knight]

Not criticizing the intentions but this is not a good decision.
First of all, there will be a never ending potential conflict depending upon whose version of translation will be included in curriculum.
Secondly, targeted group is not in the bracket of conducive and compliant age.

If intention was to enlighten youth about Islam, better way is to include Arabic Language as a subject till grade 8.

20s is a decade of life least welcoming to changes.

 

[Nostalgic]

I do hope this isn't true. Even in our day, they used to award 20 extra marks for Hafiz-e-Qurans in the entry merit lists, at least in the public universities in Punjab. How that was of any relevance to engineering or medicine or any other degree barring Arabic or Islamic studies was beyond me.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Isn't this the Chaudhury Mohammad Sarwar the same guy who used to be an MP when he was living in Scotland? Having been a very successful businessman in a non-Muslim country, I'm surprised he thinks the answer is more religious study in a country which is already geared towards it.

 

[shafkath]

Why is it compulsory? Anyone who wants to learn can do so if and when they want it but why is it being imposed on people who don't want to?

Why would a Muslim not want to learn the holy Quran.
Every muslim wants to, usually too lazy to or don't make the time to, this is about university giving them that time on the syllabus to learn there religion.

Maybe I'm just too backward for this forum, but I think the students are very lucky

 

[uberkoen]

Why would a Muslim not want to learn the holy Quran.
Every muslim wants to, usually too lazy to or don't make the time to, this is about university giving them that time on the syllabus to learn there religion.

Maybe I'm just too backward for this forum, but I think the students are very lucky

Since when have you become a spokesperson for the entire Muslim population?

What if some have already learned it and don't want to spend more time learning things they already know? What if someone wants to learn it later in life and right now focus on his career? What if someone doesn't want to learn it at all? How can you speak for every individual? What gives you the right to shove your beliefs and thinking down other peoples throat?

 

[desirous of desire]

#Imran Khan - a Yahoodi agent

 

[proud_pakistani]

Its a good decision because in Pakistan there are way too many radical clerics who misinterpret the Quran and teach something which is false. At least now rather than listening to those clerics and misunderstanding the concept of religion they will have an opportunity to learn about Islam straight from the word which was revealed.

 

[uberkoen]

Its a good decision because in Pakistan there are way too many radical clerics who misinterpret the Quran and teach something which is false. At least now rather than listening to those clerics and misunderstanding the concept of religion they will have an opportunity to learn about Islam straight from the word which was revealed.

..and how do you know the person teaching the students isn't one of those radicals?

 

[miandadrules]

From someone who has studied the Quran, they could potentially be opening up a Pandora’s box.

 

[Kianig89]

Good decision Quranic education is a must no matter how many degrees u get

 

[Bigboii]

Why would a Muslim not want to learn the holy Quran.
Every muslim wants to, usually too lazy to or don't make the time to, this is about university giving them that time on the syllabus to learn there religion.

Maybe I'm just too backward for this forum, but I think the students are very lucky

Even though I don't agree with you but I hate the word "backward" like you are living with us in this society you're not from a cave you just have a different opinion and that's alright

It just reminds me of burgers calling someone conservative "backwards"
Word just smells of entitlement and wannabees goray desis

 

[Pakpak]

Since when have you become a spokesperson for the entire Muslim population?

What if some have already learned it and don't want to spend more time learning things they already know? What if someone wants to learn it later in life and right now focus on his career? What if someone doesn't want to learn it at all? How can you speak for every individual? What gives you the right to shove your beliefs and thinking down other peoples throat?

He himself lives in the UK, has got a degree in UK, a secular state. But he wants compulsory teaching back home. The word hypocrite wouldn't cover it.

 

[aloo paratha]

IMO, Schools should stay out of religion. However, if non Muslim students can opt out, I don't see a big problem with it either.

 

[rockyboy2018]

At universities they will be studying Quran with Urdu translation and online they will be flirting with American babes for a marriage proposal in order to get a green card.

If there is one country that has made Islam a mockery of religion, it has to be Pakistan. I see practical Islam in western countries and theoretical Islam only in Pakistan.

Apply Islamic teachings into your system that would make much more sense. If you do not have money, you can not even be admitted to a hospital. In western countries first they treat your health then make a medical bill for it.

Isko ketay hein insayniat kpo bachana

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

He himself lives in the UK, has got a degree in UK, a secular state. But he wants compulsory teaching back home. The word hypocrite wouldn't cover it.

I have done my entire education in the US, and here we get a basic overview of religion (all major relgions) in High School and College. Here you are taking about 1 credit in college. Its not like they are forcing them to study for 4 years. Just 1 credit. That can be finished in maybe a few weeks.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Its a good decision because in Pakistan there are way too many radical clerics who misinterpret the Quran and teach something which is false. At least now rather than listening to those clerics and misunderstanding the concept of religion they will have an opportunity to learn about Islam straight from the word which was revealed.

Yes this is exactly the reason why they should do it. This way there is some regulation in what is taught. It can definitely lower extremism.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I do hope this isn't true. Even in our day, they used to award 20 extra marks for Hafiz-e-Qurans in the entry merit lists, at least in the public universities in Punjab. How that was of any relevance to engineering or medicine or any other degree barring Arabic or Islamic studies was beyond me.

You are talking about 1 credit. If Israel can teach about Judaism, then Pakistan can teach about the Islam.

The Hafiz e Quran thing however should definitely be eliminated.

Think of the benefits that the country gets if we can regulate what type of Islam is taught.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

In Punjab province of Pakistan, is Urdu more common or Punjabi? Is Urdu taking the space of your regional languages?

Do you have language wars in Pakistan like you had in East Pakistan or like we see in India with Hindi vs other languages?

On topic I think religious studies in Universities should be left as optional subjects.

Punjabi is most common in Punjab, with the exception of some parts of Lahore. Lahore had alot of migration from Kashmir, Delhi, East Punjab (including non Punjabi parts), and UP. Majority of them can speak Punjabi now, but some never bothered to learn. In South Punjab they speak Seraiki.

Since British made Punjabi official language in Punjab, its a non issue over there, as far as schools and parliament is concerned.

In Sindh there is an issue as interior speaks mostly Sindhi, and urban Sindh speaks Urdu (because majority of them are from Urdu speaking areas of India). Because the urdu speaking people became a majority in urban Sindh they never had any reason to learn Sindhi, and this caused a urban/interior divide.

In Khyber Paktunkhwa and Baluchistan those are multi lingual provinces, so Urdu is used as a neutral language. People there are more worried if one of the other provincial langues will dominate rather than have any fear of Urdu, as there are very few Urdu speaking people in those 2 provinces.

 

[Pakpak]

I have done my entire education in the US, and here we get a basic overview of religion (all major relgions) in High School and College. Here you are taking about 1 credit in college. Its not like they are forcing them to study for 4 years. Just 1 credit. That can be finished in maybe a few weeks.

And if you don't do the credit in a subject you didn't apply to do then they don't give your degree. Remind me again which other country has this rule?

If people wish to expand their knowledge there are plenty of Islamic courses in Pakistan. Inside and outside University. Making it as a prerequisite to graduation is ludicrous.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

And if you don't do the credit in a subject you didn't apply to do then they don't give your degree. Remind me again which other country has this rule?

If people wish to expand their knowledge there are plenty of Islamic courses in Pakistan. Inside and outside University. Making it as a prerequisite to graduation is ludicrous.

Israel i believe. Not sure if its college, but they teach about Judaism definitely in the lower levels. They are doing pretty well.

 

[Pakpak]

Israel i believe. Not sure if its college, but they teach about Judaism definitely in the lower levels. They are doing pretty well.

So in Israel if you're studying say Medicine and you don't do a course of Judaism would they bar you from graduating?

If the answer is no then your post is pretty meaningless. Even in UK they reach religious education in schools. Most countries do. Not a single country however does it a at professional, accredited institution which churns out graduates for the country's employment market and makes it compulsory even though there are plenty of Islamic courses one can do in their own time with their own choice.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

At universities they will be studying Quran with Urdu translation and online they will be flirting with American babes for a marriage proposal in order to get a green card.

If there is one country that has made Islam a mockery of religion, it has to be Pakistan. I see practical Islam in western countries and theoretical Islam only in Pakistan.

Apply Islamic teachings into your system that would make much more sense. If you do not have money, you can not even be admitted to a hospital. In western countries first they treat your health then make a medical bill for it.

Isko ketay hein insayniat kpo bachana

National lottery systems work the same way. You need to collect the money first though. Problem for Pakistan is collecting the money to build a health system like USA.

 

[Pakpak]

National lottery systems work the same way. You need to collect the money first though. Problem for Pakistan is collecting the money to build a health system like USA.

If we collected even 20 percent it would solve a lot of problems, in a good system. In the past there was mistrust where people did not give taxes incase politicians gobble them up but now with a clean PM there should be less of an excuse.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

So in Israel if you're studying say Medicine and you don't do a course of Judaism would they bar you from graduating?

If the answer is no then your post is pretty meaningless. Even in UK they reach religious education in schools. Most countries do. Not a single country however does it a at professional, accredited institution which churns out graduates for the country's employment market and makes it compulsory even though there are plenty of Islamic courses one can do in their own time with their own choice.

Other countries dont have the problem Pakistan does. Think of the benefit. A portion of Pakistanis are radicalized. This is not restricted to uneducated people. Unfortunately it includes among the most educated people in Pakistan. Having some goverment regulation over religion is a good thing. If having it at the college level is a problem mandate it at a lower level.

I was assuming that Pakistan's undergraduate system was like US, where if you are a Finance major, you also take History, Psychology, English classes. It seems based on your post like it is not, that you do classes only related to that field, so in that case maybe having it in college is no good.

 

[Pakpak]

Other countries dont have the problem Pakistan does. Think of the benefit. A portion of Pakistanis are radicalized. This is not restricted to uneducated people. Unfortunately it includes among the most educated people in Pakistan. Having some goverment regulation over religion is a good thing. If having it at the college level is a problem mandate it at a lower level.

I was assuming that Pakistan's undergraduate system was like US, where if you are a Finance major, you also take History, Psychology, English classes. It seems based on your post like it is not, that you do classes only related to that field, so in that case maybe having it in college is no good.

I agree with elements behind your post but what if the person teaching it was radicalised himself? You're right the problem with extremism but this can be dealt with at a college level, not in professional universities. Most people in universities rarely come out as extremists, infact most of them leave for western countries. From IT to Medicine.

I'm afraid agree to disagree here. I hope I didn't come out too aggressive as was not my intent

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I agree with elements behind your post but what if the person teaching it was radicalised himself? You're right the problem with extremism but this can be dealt with at a college level, not in professional universities. Most people in universities rarely come out as extremists, infact most of them leave for western countries. From IT to Medicine.

I'm afraid agree to disagree here. I hope I didn't come out too aggressive as was not my intent

Just out of curiosity can you let me know whats the difference between college and university in Pakistan?

Like here in US we are done with grade 12 at around 18 then we go to college/university (its the same thing here) and finish around 22. And then you can go to graduate school which is usually 2 years, unless its law which is 3 or medicine which is 4.

 

[Pakpak]

Just out of curiosity can you let me know whats the difference between college and university in Pakistan?

Like here in US we are done with grade 12 at around 18 then we go to college/university (its the same thing here) and finish around 22. And then you can go to graduate school which is usually 2 years, unless its law which is 3 or medicine which is 4.

Same as UK more or less. So you have school till you're 16, metric etc. Then college till 18 is when you do your A Levels. Then university after that. US has different terminology I think!

 

[Syed1]

Don't agree with this decision at all.... If intention is to socially reform society by providing better understanding of Quran then it could have been done at primary and secondary school level.

 

[Nostalgic]

You are talking about 1 credit. If Israel can teach about Judaism, then Pakistan can teach about the Islam.

The Hafiz e Quran thing however should definitely be eliminated.

Think of the benefits that the country gets if we can regulate what type of Islam is taught.

At least in the public universities in Punjab, there are already mandatory Islamic Studies and Pakistan Studies courses. We had to do two years of each, back when there was the annual system.

We've already had these subjects at the school and college level, all with regulated textbooks. I'm not sure if it helped.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Punjabi is most common in Punjab, with the exception of some parts of Lahore. Lahore had alot of migration from Kashmir, Delhi, East Punjab (including non Punjabi parts), and UP. Majority of them can speak Punjabi now, but some never bothered to learn. In South Punjab they speak Seraiki.

Since British made Punjabi official language in Punjab, its a non issue over there, as far as schools and parliament is concerned.

In Sindh there is an issue as interior speaks mostly Sindhi, and urban Sindh speaks Urdu (because majority of them are from Urdu speaking areas of India). Because the urdu speaking people became a majority in urban Sindh they never had any reason to learn Sindhi, and this caused a urban/interior divide.

In Khyber Paktunkhwa and Baluchistan those are multi lingual provinces, so Urdu is used as a neutral language. People there are more worried if one of the other provincial langues will dominate rather than have any fear of Urdu, as there are very few Urdu speaking people in those 2 provinces.

Thanks for the informative post.

 

[proud_pakistani]

..and how do you know the person teaching the students isn't one of those radicals?

Well if the curriculum has been checked by whoever the Islamic Affairs committee is who are proper scholars then you have to trust it. The whole problem in Pakistan in terms of religion lies from wrong teachings. Guys like Maulana Khadim Rizvi who has a huge following says the most ridiculous things about religion. What Pakistan needs is consistency in its Islamic teachings and regulated by scholars like Molana Tariq Jamil. I would go as far and say if somehow they can bring all the mosques under the net of the government there should be 1 khutba in all mosques across Pakistan. Ofcourse this is not an achievable task but it will ensure the correct teachings are put across.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Governor Sarwar said that success in the world and the hereafter can only be achieved through proper implementation on the guidelines of the Holy Quran, Geo TV reported.

Interesting coming from Mr Sarwar, a British mp who is now a pakistani mp

If this had come from nawaz sharif there would have been student protests
Apparently ji student body's are so strong noone has bothered to protests against this action to some of the brightest minds and richest heirs in Pakistan

Not sure what punjab universities are like in terms of student culture but that might be a reason for the appeasement

Another reason could be protests by pashtun and baloch nationalists who have had clashes in recent months on campus
Which funnily enough is similar to Mr sarwars sons claims of discrimination against him and his family in glasgow

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

All else aside, it takes less than 20 minutes to read the translation of one Sipara, that'd mean 10 hours + for the entire process.

If however they start taking exams, it'd be much more complicated.

 

[shafkath]

He himself lives in the UK, has got a degree in UK, a secular state. But he wants compulsory teaching back home. The word hypocrite wouldn't cover it.

Not really a hypocritice because I wish I had the same opportunity during my education.

 

[shafkath]

Since when have you become a spokesperson for the entire Muslim population?

What if some have already learned it and don't want to spend more time learning things they already know? What if someone wants to learn it later in life and right now focus on his career? What if someone doesn't want to learn it at all? How can you speak for every individual? What gives you the right to shove your beliefs and thinking down other peoples throat?

Get a grip mate

 

[Pakpak]

Not really a hypocritice because I wish I had the same opportunity during my education.

So you didn't bother to read the Quran during your University years, by your own choice and got a degree out of it but want everyone else to read it forcefully?

Yeah, a hypocrite.

 

[shafkath]

So you didn't bother to read the Quran during your University years, by your own choice and got a degree out of it but want everyone else to read it forcefully?

Yeah, a hypocrite.

I read the quran at uni but not as much as I would have liked. I wish it was built in to my curriculum at university so I could have read more.

 

[Pakpak]

I read the quran at uni but not as much as I would have liked. I wish it was built in to my curriculum at university so I could have read more.

You can do so in your own time, if you need to be forced to read it then maybe you need to re-examine your own faith instead of forcing it on others.

 

[shafkath]

You can do so in your own time, if you need to be forced to read it then maybe you need to re-examine your own faith instead of forcing it on others.

I just said I read it in my own time but would have like to have read more. I'm very happy with my faith and don't need to be forced to pray.

Besides this point, don't you think it's good for the quran to be taught in a controlled environment to young Muslims. Pakistan has suffered a lot from extremism.

 

[Pakpak]

I just said I read it in my own time but would have like to have read more. I'm very happy with my faith and don't need to be forced to pray.

Besides this point, don't you think it's good for the quran to be taught in a controlled environment to young Muslims. Pakistan has suffered a lot from extremism.

So you don't need to be forced to pray and are happy enough to get your degree. But you want others to be forced to pray and not only that but you support them being refused graduation if they refuse.

As for the bold bit [MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION] already addressed it and you chickened out.

 

[shafkath]

So you don't need to be forced to pray and are happy enough to get your degree. But you want others to be forced to pray and not only that but you support them being refused graduation if they refuse.

As for the bold bit [MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION] already addressed it and you chickened out.

I struggle to understand why a Muslim wouldn't want to Learn his or her own faith when this is being built into the curriculum for them.

Lol its just a discussion, I'm clearly from a very different mindset to yours, it's interesting to see a different perspective. There's nothing for me to chicken out over

 

[Pakpak]

I struggle to understand why a Muslim wouldn't want to Learn his or her own faith when this is being built into the curriculum for them.

Well you didn't learn it by your own willing choice at University, so why are you questioning others? Or is it okay for only you to make that choice?

Lol its just a discussion, I'm clearly from a very different mindset to yours, it's interesting to see a different perspective. There's nothing for me to chicken out over

He asked you questions, your reply was a one line answer. Its the definition of chickening out.

 

[shafkath]

Well you didn't learn it by your own willing choice at University, so why are you questioning others? Or is it okay for only you to make that choice?


He asked you questions, your reply was a one line answer. Its the definition of chickening out.

I think you have issues with reading, I've made it pretty clear that I did pray at uni but just not as much as I would have liked and that's why I wish it was a part of my curriculum at uni.

This is getting a bit pointless now. I'd prefer to leave it here. We're not going to convince each other.

 

[Pakpak]

I think you have issues with reading, I've made it pretty clear that I did pray at uni but just not as much as I would have liked and that's why I wish it was a part of my curriculum at uni.

This is getting a bit pointless now. I'd prefer to leave it here. We're not going to convince each other.

Yes we are not. Because you did not read the Quran while studying for whatever reason. But you want others to be forced to study it even though they wouldn't want to or wouldn't be able to like you did. And have their graduation stopped if they don't.

We are definitely not going to convince each other as I'm not a hypocrite like you nor do I run like a coward when faced with questions like you did with uberkoen.

 

[shafkath]

Yes we are not. Because you did not read the Quran while studying for whatever reason. But you want others to be forced to study it even though they wouldn't want to or wouldn't be able to like you did. And have their graduation stopped if they don't.

We are definitely not going to convince each other as I'm not a hypocrite like you nor do I run like a coward when faced with questions like you did with uberkoen.

You're not a hypocrite or a coward
You just can't read what I've said countless times.

May Allah guide us all to the right path.
Salam

 

[uberkoen]

Well if the curriculum has been checked by whoever the Islamic Affairs committee is who are proper scholars then you have to trust it. The whole problem in Pakistan in terms of religion lies from wrong teachings. Guys like Maulana Khadim Rizvi who has a huge following says the most ridiculous things about religion. What Pakistan needs is consistency in its Islamic teachings and regulated by scholars like Molana Tariq Jamil. I would go as far and say if somehow they can bring all the mosques under the net of the government there should be 1 khutba in all mosques across Pakistan. Ofcourse this is not an achievable task but it will ensure the correct teachings are put across.

Tariq Jamil is Deobandi. What if there are students who are Shia or Wahabi or whatever other sect and don't really want to learn his particular point of view? Who would regulate that?

 

[uberkoen]

I struggle to understand why a Muslim wouldn't want to Learn his or her own faith when this is being built into the curriculum for them.

Lol its just a discussion, I'm clearly from a very different mindset to yours, it's interesting to see a different perspective. There's nothing for me to chicken out over

I struggle to understand why you can't grasp the concept that if one wants to learn he/she can do it himself and does not need to be forced. If someone wanted to learn about religion he could go to a religious school. However, if someone is going to a university to study engineering or become a doctor at that moment in time their priority is studying the relevant curriculum and not something they have not enrolled for.

Also, I've stated it earlier and I'll say it again. What about someone who has already learned it? He could take up another course and try to finish his degree earlier rather than repeat what he has already learned. What about someone who wants to learn about this later once he's done with university. Why are we taking away that choice?

What happened to there is no compulsion in religion?

 

[proud_pakistani]

Tariq Jamil is Deobandi. What if there are students who are Shia or Wahabi or whatever other sect and don't really want to learn his particular point of view? Who would regulate that?

If the teaching is limited to the Quran. Quran is very clear on its teachings. There is one Quran whether you are Shia, Sunni, Hanafi, Deobandi, Maliki, Hanbali, Barelvi, Wahhabi etc. The differences only occur on Hadith. The Quran can not be subject to opinion or point of view. I am against anything with regards to Hadith as some things with regards to Hadith are weak and some of them contradict the other. Fact is in Pakistan Hadith seems to be more important then the Quran which is why learning the Quran becomes even more important if you ask me. The biggest differences in terms of sect are Shia Sunni and even both of them have the same Quran. They differ on who the caliph should have been and the imams etc but the way of life of Islam is still the same if you read the Quran. There may be in rare cases slight different interpretations but it is very minor. I can understand your view that religion should not be enforced but this is knowledge. Whether any ones wants to practice it is upto them. 1/3rd of the Quran are just stories which have a moral behind it. There is so much to learn in terms of philosophy and morals.

 

[uberkoen]

If the teaching is limited to the Quran. Quran is very clear on its teachings. There is one Quran whether you are Shia, Sunni, Hanafi, Deobandi, Maliki, Hanbali, Barelvi, Wahhabi etc. The differences only occur on Hadith. The Quran can not be subject to opinion or point of view. I am against anything with regards to Hadith as some things with regards to Hadith are weak and some of them contradict the other. Fact is in Pakistan Hadith seems to be more important then the Quran which is why learning the Quran becomes even more important if you ask me. The biggest differences in terms of sect are Shia Sunni and even both of them have the same Quran. They differ on who the caliph should have been and the imams etc but the way of life of Islam is still the same if you read the Quran. There may be in rare cases slight different interpretations but it is very minor. I can understand your view that religion should not be enforced but this is knowledge. Whether any ones wants to practice it is upto them. 1/3rd of the Quran are just stories which have a moral behind it. There is so much to learn in terms of philosophy and morals.

If the only thing being proposed to be taught is to read the Quran then there is no need because everyone growing up in Pakistan is able to read Arabic. Specially if one is educated enough to get admitted into university, I'm sure they are able to read arabic/urdu alphabets and have probably been taught to read the Quran by a 'Qari Saab' at home. Hence, there is no need for this and it becomes superfluous.

However, if they are teaching the Quran with Tafsir then the whole sect agenda comes into play as there are various tafsirs and various debates on these.

 

[proud_pakistani]

If the only thing being proposed to be taught is to read the Quran then there is no need because everyone growing up in Pakistan is able to read Arabic. Specially if one is educated enough to get admitted into university, I'm sure they are able to read arabic/urdu alphabets and have probably been taught to read the Quran by a 'Qari Saab' at home. Hence, there is no need for this and it becomes superfluous.

However, if they are teaching the Quran with Tafsir then the whole sect agenda comes into play as there are various tafsirs and various debates on these.

Again there might be some differences in Quran but they are minimal. I don't know why we constantly have to look at the differences rather than look at the similarities. There are many more similarities than differences. Of course the teaching of Quran needs to be with translation. Not just reading. Or else it is pointless.

 

[uberkoen]

Again there might be some differences in Quran but they are minimal. I don't know why we constantly have to look at the differences rather than look at the similarities. There are many more similarities than differences. Of course the teaching of Quran needs to be with translation. Not just reading. Or else it is pointless.

Really? This shows what little knowledge you have of the subject. Are you aware of abrogated verses? Are you aware that to this day scholars of different schools of thought argue about which verse abrogates which one? Are you aware of the Shia view on the Qur'an? Are you aware that the Tafsir of the Shia scholars are different from the traditional Sunni view?

The differences are not minimal. The Shia use the Qur'an to validate their view about Mu'tah and about Wali's. This is not a small difference.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Really? This shows what little knowledge you have of the subject. Are you aware of abrogated verses? Are you aware that to this day scholars of different schools of thought argue about which verse abrogates which one? Are you aware of the Shia view on the Qur'an? Are you aware that the Tafsir of the Shia scholars are different from the traditional Sunni view?

The differences are not minimal. The Shia use the Qur'an to validate their view about Mu'tah and about Wali's. This is not a small difference.

My point was more towards other sects like Deobandi, Barelvi ,Hanafi etc. I myself am a Sunni so I don't know much about the Shia view of the Quran but I have always known that there is 1 Quran for everyone while Hadith is a different view. I have Shia friends who pray in Sunni mosques also.

 

[Abdullah719]

For institutions of higher education: NA calls for teaching of Quran with Urdu translation

ISLAMABAD: The National Assembly Monday unanimously passed a resolution demanding of the government to take measures for the teaching of Holy Quran with Urdu translation in all the universities and institutions of higher education affiliated with the federal government.

The resolution maintained that according to the Constitution, the official name of the country would be Islamic Republic of Pakistan while the Holy Quran and the Sunnah would be considered as the supreme law. “Therefore, it is necessary to make proper arrangements for understanding of the Holy Quran in universities,” the resolution said.

Minister Ali Muhammad said the understanding of the Holy Quran in Urdu would enable students to have a better understanding of the holy book.

In another resolution passed unanimously, the House extended full diplomatic and political support to Kashmiris and condemned the brutalities of Indian forces in the Indian Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IOJ&K). The resolution was passed on the eve of Kashmir Martyrs’ Day.

“This House extends Pakistan’s diplomatic and political support to the right to self-determination of Kashmiris as ensured in United Nations Security Council resolutions and demands immediate end to the brutal acts in the Indian Occupied Kashmir (IOK),” said the resolution.

Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Ali Muhammad Khan moved the resolution on behalf of the House. The House also called upon the United Nations and international community to play their role in putting an end to ongoing wave of terror unleashed by the Indian troops in the IOJ&K.

As the House passed the resolution, PML-N member Ayesha Ghous Pasha while referring to media reports condemned the government for allowing opening of Wagah border for trade on the Kashmir Martyrs’ Day.

“I want to know why the government has allowed the opening of Wagah border on the Martyrs’ Day?” she asked. She further asked the government to inform the House on which conditions it allowed the reopening of Afghan transit trade and why trade with India was being facilitated.

She also questioned whether the government would be able to prevent terrorism in the cover of trade from India. “Is the opening of Wagah border for trade is a gesture of showing loyalty to Kashmiris?” she asked.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/68...s-for-teaching-of-quran-with-urdu-translation