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Rahat Ali - a lack of basic understanding of cricket

Syed1 said:
Haan Bhai where are all those analysts who thought this guy was a good bowler
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Forget analysts, he was golden boy of our former coach Waqar Younis. How can a legendary fast bowler persist with such mediocrity time and again no matter what despite the fact other seamers in FC cricket have had superior records.
 
ExplicitAI said:
I beg Asif to come back and replace this wack bowler.
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But isn't that more of the same, poor fitness, appalling fielder. Any format of cricket is no more a one dimensional game. No one is asking them to be path breaking, but to be reasonably fit is not asking a lot. Most people with 9-5 jobs are focused on their fitness these days, these are full time athletes.

Wahab and Amir can perhaps nurture the future generations of quicks as to how fit they need to be. Perhaps share their training, diet etc...hopefully this means by the time they step up to the International level they have decent fitness standards, rather than having to play catch up.
 
it should be the last series for him need muhammad abbas and mir hamza to get a chance..
 
honestly, pains me to see this guy taking the new ball. I feel like hitting my head on the wall watching amir bowl from one end and this lousy guy from other.

And don't be surprised if he comes back in 2nd innings and bowls a good spell to take 2-3 wickets and then goes back to his lousy ways.
 
I have been saying it over and over... this guy is the most useless bowler to ever come out of Pakistan. Someone who has played over 20 tests and is a regular in the side for over 2 years, yet he can't land even 2 balls in one spot.

It is beyond me that he was picked here instead of Sohail Khan
 
Said it before hand... This guy wouldn't even be in my squad let alone playing over Sohail Khan in Australia...
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Everyone would have Sohail over him if he didn't require a wheelchair after a day's work.
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Okay but at least he can get the job done in the first innings, and his 2nd innings performances aren't as bad as people make them out to be especially when you see that the other pacers haven't had much impact in the second innings either.
 
aloo paratha said:
Okay but at least he can get the job done in the first innings, and his 2nd innings performances aren't as bad as people make them out to be especially when you see that the other pacers haven't had much impact in the second innings either.
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He averages 100+ according to [MENTION=68690]Statsman[/MENTION](iirc). That's just not acceptable.
 
He is a wierd character. He in my view is more effective in the UAE compared to England and Australia. His speed in the UAE is right up there at 135-140 km/hr, he was swinging the new ball and reverse swinging the old ball at 140 km/hr plus.

But in England and Australia he looked short of fitness, short on pace and hasn't done anything menacing with the ball. The most frustrating part is that he has now played for 3 long years and just doesn't seem to be getting better at all.
 
LOL

What else were the fans and management expecting from him?

There was no way, the Aussies were going to let him bowl garbage and allow him to slip in that unplayable delivery every 4th or 5th over.

rahat is a 5-106 type bowler, but he has the potential to be a 5-40 type bowler (if he sharpens his brain and becomes more disciplined).
 
Barragan said:
LOL

What else were the fans and management expecting from him?

There was no way, the Aussies were going to let him bowl garbage and allow him to slip in that unplayable delivery every 4th or 5th over.

rahat is a 5-106 type bowler , but he has the potential to be a 5-40 type bowler (if he sharpens his brain and becomes more disciplined).
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Okay, a bit too generous and I was meant to say 3-150 type bowler currently.
 
He is one of the worst at fielding and batting in the international cricket scene right now.
 
Barragan said:
LOL

What else were the fans and management expecting from him?

There was no way, the Aussies were going to let him bowl garbage and allow him to slip in that unplayable delivery every 4th or 5th over.

rahat is a 5-106 type bowler, but he has the potential to be a 5-40 type bowler (if he sharpens his brain and becomes more disciplined).
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One of the great myths of Rahat, also Wahab is that they take heaps of wickets even if they are expensive. 'On their day they will win you a match'

Rahat has taken only 2 5fers in his entire career, one against Zimbabwe. In FC cricket he has never taken a 10fer, whereas Mohammed Abbas by now has 7.

He is a 3-85 bowler and has been his entire career.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Lol, I'm done with this guy. Way too stupid, no motivation, no fire in his belly. Outright pathetic.
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You want Wahab instead of him then? When did we stop caring about discipline and skill in cricket. Someone
actually described Imran Khan as a boring line and length bowler, as if bowling the right and length was a bad
thing.
 
New Yorker said:
You want Wahab instead of him then? When did we stop caring about discipline and skill in cricket. Someone
actually described Imran Khan as a boring line and length bowler, as if bowling the right and length was a bad
thing.
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Not sure what you're asking. Wahab is already on the team.
 
I actually backed this guy to learn something as he is one of the rare ones who can swing the ball. Who knew he would never learn something.:afaq
 
So disappointed. I've defended the guy before because he is clearly capable of bowling 140kph plus and getting swing. He is a decent workhorse type bowler we can use in the UAE. But sadly he has not improved at all. Fielding and batting are also very weak. This should definitely be his last series outside of UAE.

He should be replaced with Sohail Khan for next Test. Sohail can at least have an impact in the first innings and shouldn't be as bad in the second. He is a smarter guy than people think he is. He also can get 20-30 valuable runs with the bat.
 
He is never going be a good test bowler with those hit-me deliveries. He is the second coming of Sami. Both can bowl 4 beautiful balls and then bowl 2 garbage ones.
 
We need a back-up for Amir. Rahat is NOT that guy. It could be Mir Hamza in Tests and Junaid Khan in LOIs.
 
I'm going to lose it if Rahat manages to get into the playing eleven for any single match in this tour
 
Rahat Ali has been persisted with for far too long. Just bowls without any plan. Must be replaced and Junaid Khan seems to be getting his rythm back again.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Not sure what you're asking. Wahab is already on the team.
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I think people read Rahat very superficially. What aggravates just looking at him is his meekness. If only he could show more 'motivation' and 'fire in the belly.' But we know from Wahab that fire in the belly can often amount to little more than a lot of hot air. Rahat's fundemental problem is not that he is no agressive, it is that he is not disciplined and intelligent enough as a bowler, attributes which are in a very different register from 'fire in the belly.'
 
New Yorker said:
I think people read Rahat very superficially. What aggravates just looking at him is his meekness. If only he could show more 'motivation' and 'fire in the belly.' But we know from Wahab that fire in the belly can often amount to little more than a lot of hot air. Rahat's fundemental problem is not that he is no agressive, it is that he is not disciplined and intelligent enough as a bowler, attributes which are in a very different register from 'fire in the belly.'
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I did mention "way too stupid" and have stated numerous times about his lack of bowling intelligence. Not sure what your point is.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
I did mention "way too stupid" and have stated numerous times about his lack of bowling intelligence. Not sure what your point is.
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That 'fire in the belly' is not his main problem and people are wrong to focus on it, in so far as they do. You will note that I opened up the question, referring to 'people,' so if you did not feel that this has anything to do with you please forgive me and overlook my transgression.
 
I keep mentioning game awareness - this guy lacks it.

What I mean by this is his inability to know how to bowl in different conditions and his inability to know where to bowl on different wickets.

He just runs in and bowls the same way, every day in every place.
 
New Yorker said:
One of the great myths of Rahat, also Wahab is that they take heaps of wickets even if they are expensive. 'On their day they will win you a match'

Rahat has taken only 2 5fers in his entire career, one against Zimbabwe. In FC cricket he has never taken a 10fer, whereas Mohammed Abbas by now has 7.

He is a 3-85 bowler and has been his entire career.
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I rectified my stance immediately and posted with this:

Barragan said:
Okay, a bit too generous and I was meant to say 3-150 type bowler currently.
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Simply not good enough and should be dropped from the squad all together.
 
Difference is quite clear between Amir and Rahat.
Yesterday, Amir bowled in with a plan you could see his intent was to get wickets and that he did. Whereas, Rahat as usual was just running in without any plan and expecting somehow by magic the ball would land in the right area. Even if he gets any wickets in next match, please drop him you can't have an inconsistent brainless guy in the team who hardly performs. I would even try a rookie over him anyday.
 
Lazy to get his bat down now too - Should probably be his last test match for Pakistan for a very long time, or at least until he shows significant improvement.

But the question is; Can you really teach Cricketing IQ?
 
Rahat should retire from International cricket and should focus on domestic cricket only...
 
I think its a complete lack of confidence, he was very bad in his first innings.. especially when facing someone like Steven Smith, he has no idea how to bowl to him... its very difficult to find the right length against this guy... as you can see Misbah takes him out as soon as Smith comes on.. His lack of confidence is primarily due to Smith Unorthodox-ness
 
waleed88 said:
I think its a complete lack of confidence, he was very bad in his first innings.. especially when facing someone like Steven Smith, he has no idea how to bowl to him... its very difficult to find the right length against this guy... as you can see Misbah takes him out as soon as Smith comes on.. His lack of confidence is primarily due to Smith Unorthodox-ness
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He has been mediocre his entire career. Not Smith's fault
 
New Yorker said:
One of the great myths of Rahat, also Wahab is that they take heaps of wickets even if they are expensive. 'On their day they will win you a match'

Rahat has taken only 2 5fers in his entire career, one against Zimbabwe. In FC cricket he has never taken a 10fer, whereas Mohammed Abbas by now has 7.

He is a 3-85 bowler and has been his entire career.
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Can't agree more.

Pakistan test team will never prosper if they persist with them.
 
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