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The campaigning for elections couldn’t get worse. The leaders all over are trying bizarre ways to woo the locals!

Over the recent years, we have seen and heard candidates, union ministers and other officials in power luring the voters with freebees or making poll promises which are not just impossible to deliver. But this time it has gone just too far with statements uttered that are strictly against the law of the land.

In an outrageous incident, a BJP candidate from Rajasthan has openly promised to support ‘Child Marriages’ in her constituency, if voted to power. It may be shocking for most of us reading this, but Shobha Chauhan, who is contesting from the Sojat reserved seat on the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) ticket, has promised that she will ensure that the police does not interfere in child marriages if she wins.

Shobha, is the wife of IAS officer Rajesh Chauhan, who is contesting for a second time. While campaigning, when she announced that once she is in power, the people of the area won’t face any harassment from the police over child marriage cases, the audience even applauded the BJP candidate’s shocking poll promise. Isn’t this encouraging and almost legally securing the misguided voters against the law?

The matter has been raised with the District collector of Pali, Sudhir Kumar Sharma. He has taken cognisance of the video in which Shobha is heard making the shocking promise to statement to the voters. The election commission officer of the district said the matter is being investigated and an action will be taken if the video is found to be genuine.

Child marriage is a big problem in Rajasthan but political leaders are clearly supporting the social evil for political gains. It remains to be seen how the saffron party will respond to the irresponsible statement from one of its candidates. Rajasthan has recorded a 20% reduction in child marriages over the years, but it still ranks among the the top 12 states where prevalence of child marriages is extremely high according to a report by the National Commission for Protection of Child Rights (NCPCR) in 2018.

While the election officials are investigating the matter, it will be interesting to note BJP’s official stand on this matter. Since this is a criminal offence, shouldn’t the said leader be arrested and her candidature cancelled by the EC? Will the Women and Child Welfare Ministry Union Minister, Maneka Gandhi, take a stern action on Chauhan?

Further, the party who is currently ruling Rajasthan must necessarily strictly clarify their stance on allowing and backing the most regressive practice of ‘Child Marriages’ in the entire state.

This is not the first outlandish statement from a BJP Leader in Rajasthan. On Tuesday, while campaigning in Malakheda of Alwar district of Rajasthan, the UP CM said that Hanuman was a forest dweller, deprived and a Dalit. Adding further, he said that Bajrang Bali worked to connect all Indian communities together, from north to south and east to west.

Yogi has been currently slammed by legal notices from his own Right-wing Hindutva groups, demanding his ban from attending any political rallies and using religion to divide people.

The people of the country need to decide whether they will fall for religion, caste and oppressive practices or vote for a party that promises progress, growth and opportunities.

Source : https://www.khabarbar.com/politics/bjppromiseschildmarriages-rajasthan/
 
What is wrong with child marriage?

We in the west don't believe children should be committed to marriage at an age when they are too young to consider the implications, and probably have little choice in the matter.

I am of course prepared to hear from Indians why they have continued to defend this tradition even as we are well into the 21st century.
 
We in the west don't believe children should be committed to marriage at an age when they are too young to consider the implications, and probably have little choice in the matter.

I am of course prepared to hear from Indians why they have continued to defend this tradition even as we are well into the 21st century.

India has continued to defend this tradition? Where?
 
We in the west don't believe children should be committed to marriage at an age when they are too young to consider the implications, and probably have little choice in the matter.

I am of course prepared to hear from Indians why they have continued to defend this tradition even as we are well into the 21st century.

The high divorce rate in the west shows that adult choices are not anyway better. So that argument goes to the bin.

The child stay with their parents and stay with the groom only when both are adults. The child marriage is more of an early booking and nothing else, the marriage is consummated only in the adulthood.

fail to see what is so wrong about it. This is just another form of arranged marriage.
 
India has continued to defend this tradition? Where?

I said Indians, not India, if you read the OP you will see that the audience applauded Shobha's statement, I am sure you can agree that the audience were indeed Indians. If you are going to quote me, then have some integrity to do it honestly.
 
Regressive people, they are going to get thrashed in Rajasthan and hopefully that will be the first step towards their downfall in 2019.
 
We in the west don't believe children should be committed to marriage at an age when they are too young to consider the implications, and probably have little choice in the matter.

I am of course prepared to hear from Indians why they have continued to defend this tradition even as we are well into the 21st century.

But they can decide their sexual orientation at a very young age :13:
 
Regressive people, they are going to get thrashed in Rajasthan and hopefully that will be the first step towards their downfall in 2019.

What is exactly regressive about child marriage? It is not what you think it is. The marriage is only a pre booking, and they get to live together when they become adults. So what is wrong with it?
 
What is exactly regressive about child marriage? It is not what you think it is. The marriage is only a pre booking, and they get to live together when they become adults. So what is wrong with it?

Here are a few problems with child marriages:
A) A minor, in most cases, can not be legally held accountable for his/her actions so any form of sexual/physical violence (e.g. marital rape, beating etc) is more likely to go unpunished.
B) A marriage in Asian culture is also a marriage between families and i’m not sure that minors should be put through under so much pressure.
C) People change as they grow. Families are sacrificed in the name of honour when a person grow up to resent their spouses and demand for separation.
D) I am not an expert on human biology but I have heard that early marriage that result in subsequent child birth can be really harmful for the health of both the child and the mother.
E) Any future resentment is likely to be passed on to the next generation which will create an overall unhealthy and unhappy society which is a recipe for disaster on so many levels.
F) Such marriages also means the lack education for women as well as men meaning an overall uneducated and non-productive society.
G) Such marriages are also likely to give space to misogyny, regressive beliefs and and overall poor social conditions that entails patriarchy.
H) High levels of infant mortality.
I) High levels of female death during labour.
J) Likelihood of poverty.
K) Self-perpetuating cycle of gendered violence.
L) Self-perpetuating cycle of child abuse.
There are other problems with child marriages but if I’m not able to convince you about my point of view then it is highly likely that I’ll be wasting my time by dragging this conversation along.
 
What is exactly regressive about child marriage? It is not what you think it is. The marriage is only a pre booking, and they get to live together when they become adults. So what is wrong with it?

If the culture is of arranged marriage anyway so this pre booking could save the hassle later on and could help in straightening ties between families (or sometimes even business or political reasons) and communities.
 
OMG they want kids to be married when they should be playing with toys!!? At least give them some time to develop.
 
What is wrong with child marriage?

What’s wrong with it? Are you serious? Were you not educated as a child and gone through a school system?

Children and adults have different chemical makeups In The brain. They have not fully developed and experienced enough to have all senses and emotional queues mastered. They are scientifically proven not able to make such large decisions. Especially something as serious as marriage. At that age they don’t have the logic and reasoning skills to fully digest what’s marriage, let alone making the decision if they’re ant to be married. They don’t understand implications of long term decisions and the implications that come with it.

It’s one of the reasons their is a legal age for consent. They simply don’t understand fully what’s going on and what’s going to happen if they go with option A,B,C. Children naturally leave such sections and lean towards what their parents would choose and want. Therefore the child ain’t making the decision the parents are. So the child ain’t giving consent.


You speak of divorce statistics. That’s irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. The reason why countries like India have a low divorce rate is because it’s a taboo issue and goes against culture and in most cases the women would be killed, disowned or humiliated. The right to divorce is one of modern eras greatest achievement so don’t you dare try tos pout such stupidity. So many women have taken their life’s in heart breaking ways to get away from their abusive or cheating husbands. The only way, to kill them selves.

I also see you wrote it’s simply booking them. Booking them for what? Securing them for what? They are human beings not objects. When they grow up, they will make their own decisions on who they marry and who they don’t want to marry. You can’t put two children together because it makes the families happy and benefits the family socially and financially but leaves the children sad and depressed.
 
Here are a few problems with child marriages:
A) A minor, in most cases, can not be legally held accountable for his/her actions so any form of sexual/physical violence (e.g. marital rape, beating etc) is more likely to go unpunished.
B) A marriage in Asian culture is also a marriage between families and i’m not sure that minors should be put through under so much pressure.
C) People change as they grow. Families are sacrificed in the name of honour when a person grow up to resent their spouses and demand for separation.
D) I am not an expert on human biology but I have heard that early marriage that result in subsequent child birth can be really harmful for the health of both the child and the mother.
E) Any future resentment is likely to be passed on to the next generation which will create an overall unhealthy and unhappy society which is a recipe for disaster on so many levels.
F) Such marriages also means the lack education for women as well as men meaning an overall uneducated and non-productive society.
G) Such marriages are also likely to give space to misogyny, regressive beliefs and and overall poor social conditions that entails patriarchy.
H) High levels of infant mortality.
I) High levels of female death during labour.
J) Likelihood of poverty.
K) Self-perpetuating cycle of gendered violence.
L) Self-perpetuating cycle of child abuse.
There are other problems with child marriages but if I’m not able to convince you about my point of view then it is highly likely that I’ll be wasting my time by dragging this conversation along.

Bakwas logic, I am sorry to say. Most of the problems you listed assume that the kids would be staying together as a couple. That is not the case.

I find it laughable that the western society finds it ok when a 50 year old marries an 18 year old, but regressive when a 10 year old marries a 12 year old. The first is repulsive, the second is cute. Western society only cares if the two can legally have physical relation and that is enough for marriage. THAT is regressive.

If families agree on the marriage of the kids at a young age, and they continue staying with their parents, with the occasional meeting in social gatherings, and get into a conjugal relationship only when they reach adulthood, what is the problem? Having a shared childhood, and growing up together means more shared memories and connection with each other. You get to know each other in the age of innocence and not like the western concept when you know each other with sex in your mind. Child marriage is truly the meeting of hearts, western marriage is meeting of genitals.
 
We as humans don't believe children should be committed to marriage at an age when they are too young to consider the implications, and probably have little choice in the matter.

I am of course prepared to hear from Indians why they have continued to defend this tradition even as we are well into the 21st century.

Fixed.
 
The amount of ignorance on by certain poster on this post is unbelievable.I can't believe that people ask what is wrong with child marriages in this day and age. Firstly the word itself is so wrong, child and marriage don't go together. Instead of saying saying it is going to arrange anyway why not pre-book, why don't we teach kids to make choices, focus on their education and be a kid. As someone who has recently gone through this process (gotten engaged) let me tell you that it isn't an easy process. Marriage is more than just reproducing, it is understanding, giving each other emotional support and knowing where you both stand emotionally, mentally. Your plans for future and how are you going to achieve them. An adult in his/her 20s/30s cannot make that decision easily let alone a kid.

Coming to the topic of divorce rates in the west as compare to east and making it an excuse for allowing child marriages, divorce rate is low in the east because they don't have financial stability, society is gonna mock them for having a failed marriage, they can't leave when they are not happy. They stay because they don't have anywhere to go. They cannot support their kids not because they remain in love or having some magical wand that makes it work.
 
The amount of ignorance on by certain poster on this post is unbelievable.I can't believe that people ask what is wrong with child marriages in this day and age. Firstly the word itself is so wrong, child and marriage don't go together. Instead of saying saying it is going to arrange anyway why not pre-book, why don't we teach kids to make choices, focus on their education and be a kid. false dichotomy

As someone who has recently gone through this process (gotten engaged) let me tell you that it isn't an easy process. Marriage is more than just reproducing, it is understanding, giving each other emotional support and knowing where you both stand emotionally, mentally. Your plans for future and how are you going to achieve them. An adult in his/her 20s/30s cannot make that decision easily let alone a kid.

The kid does not make the decision, and you are right even grown ups cannot be trusted to choose the correct partner for themselves.

Coming to the topic of divorce rates in the west as compare to east and making it an excuse for allowing child marriages, divorce rate is low in the east because they don't have financial stability, society is gonna mock them for having a failed marriage, they can't leave when they are not happy. They stay because they don't have anywhere to go. They cannot support their kids not because they remain in love or having some magical wand that makes it work.

Which only strengthens my point, that people cannot be trusted to choose right partners for themselves as even the educated west where they choose their own partners, has high divorce rates. So what is wrong in parents making the decision, they are not going to be any worse.

It is like booking an apartment which is not ready, and you get possession 10 years later. You get to occupy the apartment only after 10 years, but before that you are content that you have a home on paper.

I find it hilarious that some people borrow their morality from the west. If west finds a 18 year old marrying a 50 year old OK, these sheeple will agree. I find that disgusting. But pre booked arranged marriages for kids which gets consummated only in adulthood is regressive!! This is what mental slavery to the west does to you and you see marriage through the prism of sexuality first, when marriage is the holy alliance of two families and two individuals where sex is only a small part.
 
Bakwas logic, I am sorry to say. Most of the problems you listed assume that the kids would be staying together as a couple. That is not the case.

I find it laughable that the western society finds it ok when a 50 year old marries an 18 year old, but regressive when a 10 year old marries a 12 year old. The first is repulsive, the second is cute. Western society only cares if the two can legally have physical relation and that is enough for marriage. THAT is regressive.

If families agree on the marriage of the kids at a young age, and they continue staying with their parents, with the occasional meeting in social gatherings, and get into a conjugal relationship only when they reach adulthood, what is the problem? Having a shared childhood, and growing up together means more shared memories and connection with each other. You get to know each other in the age of innocence and not like the western concept when you know each other with sex in your mind. Child marriage is truly the meeting of hearts, western marriage is meeting of genitals.


What an idiot. They start living together from a very early age. You are delusional when it comes to this concept. Not all child marriages involve two minors. In many marriages a minor girl is married to an older man. In many other cases a minor boy is married to a grown woman (eg, wanni etc). So your whole logic crumbles on the face of this fact. Do you think that a 60 year old man waits for a 9 year old girl to grow up to start conjugal relationship? No. Do you think it’s fair to marry an 18 year old girl to a 4 year old boy? No. At least do some research before you start advocating for child marriages.
 
The child stay with their parents and stay with the groom only when both are adults. The child marriage is more of an early booking and nothing else, the marriage is consummated only in the adulthood.

Please don't make a vague statements.

Please give us exact AGE of boy and girl, when this marriage is consummated.

Please also guarantee us that 20 or 30 or 50 years old man is not married to a young child-girl of age under 14 in this state, according to the old culture about whom you are feeling so proud.

The high divorce rate in the west shows that adult choices are not anyway better. So that argument goes to the bin.

Others have already written in details about it, but you didn't answer them.

My question is, what about the "personal choice" of the young kid-girl about choosing her love as her life partner and vice versa?

What if parents married her to a fat non-attractive boy from a rich family or due to acquaintance, but girl doesn't like his appearance, his temper, his behaviour and she fells in love with another boy of her own age? Why are you taking away the right of choice from this kid-girl?

Actually, it is only a rape when you compel a little girl to sleep with a boy who is not her own choice, but of the parents.

Does this girl even has the right to say NO to the choice of her parents and vice versa?


fail to see what is so wrong about it. This is just another form of arranged marriage.

You are not talking with Muslims alone here, who also marry young girls of 6 and then come up with same excuse of consummation at 9 years. And we again ask them the same question what if the little girl fells in love with some one lese when she becomes adult? She is not asked about her choice at age of 6, but family decides. And Muslims also have no answers except to accept that it is against the Nature to marry a 6 years old girl.

There are also Atheists present here and Secular/Moderate Muslims who understand the problem and have given up this practice.

Arranged marriage is bad in itself. Either it is for adults or the minors.

It should only be arranged to this level where man and woman can meat each other, talk with each other, understand each other and then could make a decision to live together or not.

Any arrangement, which goes beyond this limits, it is actually "Compulsion" and very very bad.
 
What an idiot. They start living together from a very early age. You are delusional when it comes to this concept. Not all child marriages involve two minors. In many marriages a minor girl is married to an older man. In many other cases a minor boy is married to a grown woman (eg, wanni etc). So your whole logic crumbles on the face of this fact. Do you think that a 60 year old man waits for a 9 year old girl to grow up to start conjugal relationship? No. Do you think it’s fair to marry an 18 year old girl to a 4 year old boy? No. At least do some research before you start advocating for child marriages.

bro, i am agree with you. if it doesn't involve two minors, then that is not child marriage, but adult-child marriage, and obviously i am against that. so you do agree that a 50 year old marrying an 18 year old is repulsive? Good. do you see anything wrong with parents holding a marriage ceremony of 14 yr old and 12 yr old, and do the rukhsati when the bride turns 18?
 
bro, i am agree with you. if it doesn't involve two minors, then that is not child marriage, but adult-child marriage, and obviously i am against that. so you do agree that a 50 year old marrying an 18 year old is repulsive? Good. do you see anything wrong with parents holding a marriage ceremony of 14 yr old and 12 yr old, and do the rukhsati when the bride turns 18?

Here’s why your assumption about child marriage is wrong. If a marriage even involve just one child that’s child marriage. Secondly, when two children are married together then parents don’t often wait for rukhsati because they don’t see any point in waiting. Thirdly, there is a difference between agreeing to marry children once they grow up and marrying them as minors. Fourthly, ppl see girls as burdens and that’s why they are married before adulthood. Those ppl don’t actually wait to send their daughters off to the grooms’ household. Plus, there is an element of choice here as well. A child would willingly marry someone if that means there are enough candies provided to them by the other party. Also, such marriages are often based on coercion and emotional blackmailing.
Although I have reservations about having a mutual understanding between the parents to marry their children once they come of age, but marrying them as children is worse because it takes away the element of choice. Marriage should be about personal choice. Marrying children is the denial of that well informed choice. Period.
 
bro, i am agree with you. if it doesn't involve two minors, then that is not child marriage, but adult-child marriage, and obviously i am against that. so you do agree that a 50 year old marrying an 18 year old is repulsive? Good. do you see anything wrong with parents holding a marriage ceremony of 14 yr old and 12 yr old, and do the rukhsati when the bride turns 18?

Plus, an 18 year old is an adult so if that ADULT wants to marry another ADULT I don’t see much of a problem with that (unless there is a mental issue or something like that).
 

I spoke on behalf of the west as I live here and can represent their views adequately, I don't know enough about other cultures to speak on their behalf although of course those cultures which advocate child marriage - in this case Indian - are also human. Perhaps we just don't understand their perspective. I am reading CrickCartoon's posts to try to get an insight as to why they should be supported. We should try to keep an open mind before arriving at a conclusion.
 
It seems Rajasthanis have made their voices heard loud and clear. BJP on its way out and Congress all set to form the next government in the state.
 
It seems Rajasthanis have made their voices heard loud and clear. BJP on its way out and Congress all set to form the next government in the state.

what is the percent of votes polled for congress and bjp? as usual you will not have an answer.
 
How does this reflect on the national elections?

The mood is changing on the ground. Modi wave is more or less over because today BJP have lost 3 states in the Hindi heartland, less than 6 months before the national (general) elections, this despite heavy vitriolic, aggressive campaigning by the likes of Modi and Yogi Adityanath in the run up.

Anyway they had no presence in South India (except Karnataka) and not much sway in East either. BJP historically depends a lot on the Hindi heartland and West India (Maharashtra, Gujarat), so if they can't hit jackpot in those 2 regions, they will find it very tough in 2019 General Elections. In 2014 they had a clean sweep in the 3 major Hindi heartland states they lost today, they won 62 out of 65 total Lok Sabha seats then which propelled them to absolute majority. Now with this setback opposition will have more confidence, synergy and strategy to defeat BJP, otherwise for most of the time they were demoralized, lacking unity and content with losing. 3 big states going away from BJP and BJP making a joke of itself in the big South Indian state of Telangana is a major development in the final major elections before GE 2019.

Also because of this setback BJP will lose seats in Rajya Sabha (Upper House, like the House of Lords in UK) because the members are elected by state legislatures. All in all, a very dark day for BJP, their cadre and Modi/Shah will be worried men tonight.
 
The mood is changing on the ground. Modi wave is more or less over because today BJP have lost 3 states in the Hindi heartland, less than 6 months before the national (general) elections, this despite heavy vitriolic, aggressive campaigning by the likes of Modi and Yogi Adityanath in the run up.

What is the percent of votes polled for bjp in all these states?
 
what is the percent of votes polled for congress and bjp? as usual you will not have an answer.

We will come to know about that only at the end of the day or tomorrow but last I checked, Congress was ahead. Anyway India doesn't have proportional representation system, so your question doesn't make sense.

OK my time to ask a random question: Who won the popular vote in the last US Presidential election?
 
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We will come to know about that only at the end of the day or tomorrow but last I checked, Congress was ahead. Anyway India doesn't have proportional representation system, so your question doesn't make sense.

OK my time to ask a random question: Who won the popular vote in the last US elections?

Why are you getting defensive? lol

it was not random if you apply bit more brain. you said rajasthanis have been loud and clear and made a commentary on how mood has changed. you cant do that without checking how many votes were polled, that is, how many people in the state still support bjp.

if you don't know that, then just stick to saying the bjp has lost by a narrow margin and now congress has an upper hand by controlling the state machinery in two important states, but don't speak about the people on the ground when you don't know.
 
2013 Rajasthan elections:

BJP 163 seats, Congress 21
BJP voteshare 45.2%, Congress 33.1%

2018 Rajasthan elections:

BJP lead in 73 seats, Congress in 101 seats. Complete info including voteshare will be clear by tomorrow, however Congress has a lead there also.

I repeat, Rajasthanis have been loud and clear and mood has changed. Now troll somewhere else.
 
2013 Rajasthan elections:

BJP 163 seats, Congress 21
BJP voteshare 45.2%, Congress 33.1%

2018 Rajasthan elections:

BJP lead in 73 seats, Congress in 101 seats. Complete info including voteshare will be clear by tomorrow, however Congress has a lead there also.

I repeat, Rajasthanis have been loud and clear and mood has changed. Now troll somewhere else.

LOL. so no voteshare data. you seem to be those indians who think india becomes tolerant when it elects congress and communal when it elects bjp, and people alternate between good and bad based on the election results. don't mislead people here.
 
LOL. so no voteshare data. you seem to be those indians who think india becomes tolerant when it elects congress and communal when it elects bjp, and people alternate between good and bad based on the election results. don't mislead people here.

Sleep well buddy. Can feel the frustration and sense of helplessness via your words. It seems you have been rattled by today's events, don't worry I won't mock you.
 
Sleep well buddy. Can feel the frustration and sense of helplessness via your words. It seems you have been rattled by today's events, don't worry I won't mock you.

so you have no answer, as expected. and now you are mocking me while saying you won't mock me. is that your defense mechanism when you don't have answers? rhetorical question, means you don't have to answer.
 
Bad day for Modi Ji and his bhakts. Don't worry [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] BJP will win next year. :inti
 
Bad day for Modi Ji and his bhakts. Don't worry [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] BJP will win next year. :inti

others hate modi because of his hindutva, i hate modi because he is not right wing enough. we don't depend on who wins or lose, we have enough numbers on the ground.
 
Finally, Yogi has become to BJP what Raga is to Congress lol.

BJP lost in Hindi Belt lol where else will they win now :))
 
Wish all elections happened next year , would had been amazing..don't understand why Telengana had it now, so Aiadmk won't win in TN , Kerala never votes for BJP , Andhra too is off lol Rajasthan and Chattisgargh they would lose ,BJP has lost most of it's allies trying to dominate them , let's see what Amit Shah cooks up now.
 
others hate modi because of his hindutva, i hate modi because he is not right wing enough. we don't depend on who wins or lose, we have enough numbers on the ground.

It will be an indictment of Modi's rule if he can't even get the Ram Temple constructed on the site of the Babri Masjid. This drama has been playing out since the days of Vajpayee and the first election of the BJP, and we still haven't seen the erection of a single wall.

Modi was the great hope for the Hindutva revival, if he can't do it, then who can? I think talk of child marriage custom being revived is pie in the sky for now, only thing we have seen is that BJP is no more capable of delivering the Hindu age than Congress previously.
 
It will be an indictment of Modi's rule if he can't even get the Ram Temple constructed on the site of the Babri Masjid. This drama has been playing out since the days of Vajpayee and the first election of the BJP, and we still haven't seen the erection of a single wall.

Modi was the great hope for the Hindutva revival, if he can't do it, then who can? I think talk of child marriage custom being revived is pie in the sky for now, only thing we have seen is that BJP is no more capable of delivering the Hindu age than Congress previously.

We are not concerned about modi's success or failure. there are many who will work for the Hindu Cause. Let this be a lesson that those who forget Bhagwan ji, Bhagwan ji will make them forgotten. Indeed, Bhagwan ji is the best of planners.
 
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