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Ramiz Raja proposes an annual Quadrangular T20I Series between India, Pakistan, England & Australia

Colorblind Genius said:
This is the statement made by Sheharyar Khan after BCCI displayed it's hypocricy and did not honor the commitment.

"Yes, it's true that we signed the 'Big Three' agreement after the BCCI promised it would renew cricketing ties with Pakistan, and the two boards signed Memorandum of Understanding (MoUs) in this regard," the Daily Times quoted Shahryar as saying on Saturday."

Instead of signing this "Memorandum of Understanding", PCB should've gotten a signed agreement and penalties for not honoring the commitment with BCCI.

But again, he trusted a snake that simply bit back.
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Tbh even if we signed a legal agreement with the BCCI, they would successfully bring in the Force Majure clause and the lack of government clearance excuse and the ICC will side with them.

What the PCB should have done was they should have told the ICC and the BCCI that its all or nothing, if you dont play us in Billateral cricket, we will not play in ICC events either but the PCB depends highly on the ICC share therefore that would have weighed on their mind as well.
 
cricketjoshila said:
PCB had no legit reason as proved in the court. So stop whining.

PCB lost the case and had to pay the legal costs to Bcci. Thats normal court proceedings. BCCI didn't sue PCB, they just defended themselves in the court the suit brought by PCB.

BCCI will never commit to visit pakistan unless they have a clearance from the government.So there wouldn't be any agreement in the first place.

You can keep calling bcci names and show your frustrations, but the fact is that it's PCB that desperately needs the BCCI to earn and thrive. Ofcourse they can survive without the BCCI, but to flourish they need the Indian market.

BCCI hasn't hit back at the PCB yet, the day they decide to, PCB will have a very tough situation to negotiate.
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BCCI cannot hit back at the PCB apart from isolating the PCB. The BCCI went to the ICC to demand that they stop the PCB from holding the Kashmir Premier League and the ICC told them that they can't do anything. The BCCI after Pulwama also went to the ICC to depend Pakistan be expelled from the ICC and again the ICC said nothing do it. The BCCI is very strong but not absolutely strong.
 
Savak said:
Tbh even if we signed a legal agreement with the BCCI, they would successfully bring in the Force Majure clause and the lack of government clearance excuse and the ICC will side with them.

What the PCB should have done was they should have told the ICC and the BCCI that its all or nothing, if you dont play us in Billateral cricket, we will not play in ICC events either but the PCB depends highly on the ICC share therefore that would have weighed on their mind as well.
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Probably yeah - perhaps PCB should've made BCCI hold $100 million in an escrow account that would've been awarded to PCB if BCCI did not honor it's commitment for any reason.

However, it's water under the bridge now. The point I am trying to make is that we have seen more than enough bigotry by BCCI - and yet, Ramiz cannot identify the snake. And still wants to pet it.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
This is the statement made by Sheharyar Khan after BCCI displayed it's hypocricy and did not honor the commitment.

"Yes, it's true that we signed the 'Big Three' agreement after the BCCI promised it would renew cricketing ties with Pakistan, and the two boards signed Memorandum of Understanding (MoUs) in this regard," the Daily Times quoted Shahryar as saying on Saturday."

Instead of signing this "Memorandum of Understanding", PCB should've gotten a signed agreement and penalties for not honoring the commitment with BCCI.

But again, he trusted a snake that simply bit back.
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Where was this MoU? All they could produce was a letter on a white paper. They lost the case because there was no MoU.
 
Savak said:
Tbh even if we signed a legal agreement with the BCCI, they would successfully bring in the Force Majure clause and the lack of government clearance excuse and the ICC will side with them.

What the PCB should have done was they should have told the ICC and the BCCI that its all or nothing, if you dont play us in Billateral cricket, we will not play in ICC events either but the PCB depends highly on the ICC share therefore that would have weighed on their mind as well.
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Tbh there is nothing any board can do if another board refuses to play them. Nothing. And that applies to everyone.
 
Savak said:
BCCI cannot hit back at the PCB apart from isolating the PCB. The BCCI went to the ICC to demand that they stop the PCB from holding the Kashmir Premier League and the ICC told them that they can't do anything. The BCCI after Pulwama also went to the ICC to depend Pakistan be expelled from the ICC and again the ICC said nothing do it. The BCCI is very strong but not absolutely strong.
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BCCI stopped almost every foreign player from going to KPL except Gibbs.

BCCI didn't go to ICC, it was the court appointed administrator who went.

BCCI can for starters ask players to sign exclusivity contracts with IPL and then stop them from playing in PSL. What will PSL do?

BCCI can simply say we will not travel to Pakistan for any ICC or ACC tournament, will pakistan get to host one if ICC sees that they will lose most of their revenues?

But bcci understands PCB's political compulsions, and there was a time PCB too understood the situation and both boards worked together.

Then you have a string of big mouth PCB chairmen who thought they would muscle the BCCI.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
Probably yeah - perhaps PCB should've made BCCI hold $100 million in an escrow account that would've been awarded to PCB if BCCI did not honor it's commitment for any reason.

However, it's water under the bridge now. The point I am trying to make is that we have seen more than enough bigotry by BCCI - and yet, Ramiz cannot identify the snake. And still wants to pet it.
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Do you even read your demands? :))

Hold 100mn in escrow. BCCI doesn't need PCB. PCB needs bcci so BCCI will dictate the terms.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Do you even read your demands? :))

Hold 100mn in escrow. BCCI doesn't need PCB. PCB needs bcci so BCCI will dictate the terms.
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How easily you forgot the bigotry and false promises extended by BCCI when it NEEDED PCB to form Big 3.

Are we getting ahead of ourselves - or we are assuming that acting over smart will cover up the guilty consciousness? :)
 
So basically , He wants a backdoor entry into the so called Big 3 club...and to keep others like SLC. CSA and other from complaining or feeling left out he is saying he will share revenue ;))
 
Colorblind Genius said:
How easily you forgot the bigotry and false promises extended by BCCI when it NEEDED PCB to form Big 3.

Are we getting ahead of ourselves - or we are assuming that acting over smart will cover up the guilty consciousness? :)
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BCCI needed PCB to form big 3? Really?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-sweeping-changes-to-world-cricket-governance


The big 3 proposal was passed with a 8-0 majority with Pakistan and Srilanka abstaining.

So no, Bcci didn't need PCB to pass the resolution.

The only one getting ahead of himself is you who thinks bcci needed PCB to pass any resolution.
 
Mp812 said:
So basically , He wants a backdoor entry into the so called Big 3 club...and to keep others like SLC. CSA and other from complaining or feeling left out he is saying he will share revenue ;))
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Under no circumstance should bcci team with PCB.
 
Lego20 said:
Nice idea. India (bad boy Modi) may actually implement it; minus Pakistan, lol!
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True. The 4th team can be NZ or SA or SL or afg on rotational basis...it like ipl was actually an idea by someone else but bcci was able to sucesfilly implement it in the end
 
Ganguly proposed a similar idea in 2019 except the 4th team was New Zealand.

India will not play Pakistan without government clearance. The mindset of the country has been fundamentally altered after Uri and Pulwama.

BCCI would love to play Pakistan every year because it wants money but it won't cross the government.

Don't see a window for it anyways with the IPL expanding and bilaterals counting towards the ODI Super League or World Test Championship.
 
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who needs more t20is, literally pointless given prevalence of leagues and one icc tournament or the other nearly every year.
 
Usman Chadda said:
What won’t work?
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Any kind of T20 tournament not involving India or IPL teams. At least there will be very little money to be made. Which is why Champions League T20 stopped operations once IPL pulled out.
 
CHENNAI: After nearly two years, the talks of the Super Series are back doing the rounds. "Hello, fans. Will propose to the ICC a Four Nations T20I Super Series involving Pak, Ind, Aus, Eng, to be played every year, to be hosted on rotation basis by these four. A separate revenue model with profits to be shared on percentage basis with all ICC members, think we have a winner," tweeted Ramiz Raja, chairman of Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) late Tuesday.

It is easy to brush aside Raja's proposal as far-fetched because the bilateral relationship between the BCCI and the PCB is non-existent, with the two nations having not featured in a Test series for 14 years now. And going by the Future Tours Programme, they will not play a Test or a bilateral series till 2023. In this context, Raja's proposal definitely looks like a plan that will not go beyond the initial stages.

But, remember there is no smoke without fire. In fact, Super Series as a concept was first proposed by the BCCI with India, England, Australia and a fourth team playing a quadrangular series annually, with each of the three boards playing host. While the plan was even discussed with the International Cricket Council, the onset of pandemic meant it never moved forward.

However, over the last three months, there have been signs of the Big Three trying to revive the plan and it is understood that there have been discussions with the other boards. According to an official privy to the developments, while at no stage have they included Pakistan or any other cricket board, the BCCI, ECB and CA are open to the idea of including the fourth team which could vary every year.

For example, when ECB hosts the event, it will get a chance to invite the fourth team, which in case IT can be Pakistan as there is a huge Asian settlement. "It all depends on the host. Given the bilateral relations between India and Pakistan, it may not be possible to play them in India. So, the BCCI can invite South Africa or West Indies as the fourth team. Australia can invite New Zealand given the traditional rivalry and England can bring Pakistan on board," an official in the know told this newspaper.

Moreover, if the plan gets approval from the ICC, then the BCCI will also not face difficulty in getting clearance from the government as it would not come under bilateral series. It is understood that with the Future Tours Programme set to see drastic changes going forward, a short window can be found to accommodate this Super Series and it would also generate interest among the broadcasters given the quality factor.

The BCCI's broadcast rights are also up for renewal shortly and there are indications that sans marquee series, it will find it difficult to attract huge numbers. However, the presence of a Super Series could potentially change all of it and BCCI officials reveal that of late the relationship with the PCB has been improving.

"The pandemic has altered a lot of things. Even the ODI Super League has been scrapped, so there will be changes to the FTP. It is too early to say what will change, but there is going to be a lot of discussion on having meaningful, quality cricket. In that sense, the Super Series is one that can be marketed in terms of quality and everyone in the cricketing eco-system will play a role," the official stated.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/sp...-in-focus-with-pcbs-new-proposal-2406183.html
 
Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Ramiz Raja said on Wednesday that every time India plays Pakistan, the world stops to watch and it’s a big show. Raja’s statement came after he posted on Twitter an idea to make a proposal to the International Cricket Council (ICC) regarding the holding of a Four Nations T20I series including both India and Pakistan which will be held. will be held annually. “We want to move forward. Look at the numbers from the T20 World Cup. When Pakistan faces India, the world stops to watch and it’s a great show. We have to see what the fans want and we have to do what is right. We have to talk about it and work out what we want to do. There is a potential discussion in the work that I want to submit to the ICC and see how it goes".

Raja is expected to pitch the idea at upcoming ICC board meetings in March, arguing that bilateral playoffs in this format are financially draining and such a tournament would be a way to generate more income.

“My point of view is that a new structure based on pooling and revenue sharing should be formed. The idea is to register a company that operates under the ICC and has a dedicated managing director regulating the entire financial model, with income distributed among all members, ”said Raja.

“There are a lot of rivalries like Ashes, the Pakistan-India rivalry, so it can’t go wrong when four T20 teams come up against each other. We need the appetites of the fans because they get tired, and we have to. create something outside of FTP, ”he added.

Earlier, Raja had expressed his opinion that he wanted to see India, Pakistan, Australia and England face off each year in the T20I series.

https://www.uktimenews.com/when-ind...world-stops-to-watch-ramiz-raja-cricket-news/
 
Ramiz Raja is so cute giving all these pretty ideas while cross border attacks, narcotics smuggling, FICN, separatism continue to happen; fostered and abetted by other arm of the country. The voices from the country sound so bipolar from outside while internal, innocent or ignorant public has no clue how absurd and dementic it sounds to outsiders.
 
Lego20 said:
Ramiz Raja is so cute giving all these pretty ideas while cross border attacks, narcotics smuggling, FICN, separatism continue to happen; fostered and abetted by other arm of the country. The voices from the country sound so bipolar from outside while internal, innocent or ignorant public has no clue how absurd and dementic it sounds to outsiders.
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Somehow I can always predict that an Indian nationalist will make a completely tone-deaf and ignorant nationalistic comment on a thread like this, that is: (a) political in nature, (b) has absolutely nothing to do with the sport of cricket, and (c) conveniently ignores and absolves his own country of any kind of wrongdoing past or present.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Somehow I can always predict that an Indian nationalist will make a completely tone-deaf and ignorant nationalistic comment on a thread like this, that is: (a) political in nature, (b) has absolutely nothing to do with the sport of cricket, and (c) conveniently ignores and absolves his own country of any kind of wrongdoing past or present.
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Well, in this case the stance of India/Bcci has been political for last 14 years! No bilateral engagement with a hostile country. There is nothing new except new ideas or threats or hostility from pcb.

Re:c
You are free to reciprcate cricket ban on India.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
So this court dragging and the "letter on a white paper" is all a baseless news?
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Letter on a white paper is no MoU or agreement, that has been proven in court. The letter had nothing to do with BCCI needing PCB to pass the changes in the ICC.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Somehow I can always predict that an Indian nationalist will make a completely tone-deaf and ignorant nationalistic comment on a thread like this, that is: (a) political in nature, (b) has absolutely nothing to do with the sport of cricket, and (c) conveniently ignores and absolves his own country of any kind of wrongdoing past or present.
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A) Politics guide the relationship between two countries.

B) Well should have told this to Pakistan when PCB refused to tour India in 1990 and 1991-92 citing babri masjid and kashmir.

C) India or Bcci is not asking pakistan to play a series. PCB is the one pleading here for a series.
 
Lego20 said:
Well, in this case the stance of India/Bcci has been political for last 14 years! No bilateral engagement with a hostile country. There is nothing new except new ideas or threats or hostility from pcb.

Re:c
You are free to reciprcate cricket ban on India.
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IPL is already banned in Pakistan I believe. I don’t know what Raja is smoking. Since Day 1 he has been really desperate to get some attention from BCCI and India.
Now this drama of proposing series etc.
Really a schizophrenic behaviour.
 
After all the things Ramiz said about making Pakistan cricket strong again so that "line lag jani hai teams ki Pakistan se khelne ke liye". This is quite a shameless proposal.
 
No. Thankyou. I would rather India toured a top 3 test team for a 5 test series every year (top 3 excluding India). If Pakistan becomes a top test, then I would prefer that we tour Pakistan for a test series.

No more unnecessary T20s or ODIs
 
This is a shrewd move by Ramiz, let’s see if it bears any fruit.
 
Really miss the golden days where Triangular, Quadrangular where important and regular events . This would really be good to get more viewership. Rameez should really pursue this but wonder if there is slot for this especially after teams are now playing WTC and IPL would expand now to 10 teams
 
https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/hav...r-nation-t20i-series-proposal-icc-ceo-2706739

<b> Haven't Received Any Communication From Ramiz Raja Regarding Four-Nation T20I Series Proposal: ICC CEO</b>

<I>Ramiz Raja had recently announced that he would make a proposal to hold a Four-Nation T20I series which would include India and Pakistan.</I>

International Cricket Council (ICC) CEO Geoff Allardice, on Thursday said that he has received no communication from Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief Ramiz Raja regarding the four-nation T20I series, involving both India and Pakistan.

Raja on Tuesday had said that he would make a proposal to the ICC about holding a four nations T20I series comprising both India and Pakistan to be held every year. He voiced his opinion that he wants to see India, Pakistan, Australia, and England square off in the T20I series every year.

The PCB chief also said that if this series indeed goes ahead, then the profits would be shared on a percentage basis with all ICC members.

“ We have not had any correspondence or communication with Ramiz Raja regarding any of the ideas. Till we get more detail on what he is thinking, it is hard to comment. At this stage, we have had no communication with Ramiz Raja regarding his idea," said Allardice during a virtual interaction with select media on Thursday.

Allardice also said that the management of the bio-secure bubble would be a real challenge at the upcoming U19 World Cup, adding that the bio-bubble in place would not be a strict one as the apex cricketing body wants players to enjoy the experience of playing in a World Cup.

The U19 World Cup will get underway in Guyana with hosts West Indies taking on Australia in the tournament opener on Friday, and a concurrent second game between Sri Lanka and Scotland will also take place in Georgetown.

“It’s a balance between the risk of catching and passing on the virus versus the freedom that young people are going to be looking for and allow them to enjoy the experience of being involved in an Under-19 World Cup as well. I think the management of that environment over the next few weeks is probably the challenge and being able to react to whatever gets thrown our way," said Allardice.

When asked about the bio-bubble for the World Cup, Allardice said: "We are following a similar model to the Men's T20 World Cup in the way that we manage the type of accommodation that we are using and the COVID-19 testing frequency. We did learn from the experience in the UAE and we have had other events which have been multi-teams competitions."

“I think majority of the squad members from participating countries are vaccinated for COVID-19. The teams play their matches at a reasonable frequency. So you go to the cricket ground, you play your match, you go back to the hotel accommodation, recover, and then a day or two later, you are back again," he added.

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Lego20 said:
Well, in this case the stance of India/Bcci has been political for last 14 years! No bilateral engagement with a hostile country. There is nothing new except new ideas or threats or hostility from pcb.

Re:c
You are free to reciprcate cricket ban on India.
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What are you? The Indian government's lapdog? Most posters aren't here to parrot their government's viewpoint. They have enough braincells to think for themselves and know that there is a difference between politics and sports. And we could care less about your politics.
 
Marathonrunner said:
Really miss the golden days where Triangular, Quadrangular where important and regular events . This would really be good to get more viewership. Rameez should really pursue this but wonder if there is slot for this especially after teams are now playing WTC and IPL would expand now to 10 teams
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Nehru Cup at one point was probably the de-facto Champions Trophy and a highly-watched/anticipated tournament.
 
cricketjoshila said:
A) Politics guide the relationship between two countries.

B) Well should have told this to Pakistan when PCB refused to tour India in 1990 and 1991-92 citing babri masjid and kashmir.

C) India or Bcci is not asking pakistan to play a series. PCB is the one pleading here for a series.
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You're selling spectacles to a blind man, my friend because I could care less about any of the things you just said. I am not a die hard nationalist like you, I am a normal human being. You can go ahead and parrot your country's national stance on cricket with Pakistan to someone who actually cares.
 
I think the more realistic and likely thing would be a tri-series between India, Australia and England. Don't see Big 3 boards caring much about Ramiz's proposal. India does not want to play Pakistan and other two are not interested in touching the issue. Better to give this obsession with India a rest and focus on other things.
 
“ We have not had any correspondence or communication with Ramiz Raja regarding any of the ideas. Till we get more detail on what he is thinking, it is hard to comment. At this stage, we have had no communication with Ramiz Raja regarding his idea," said Allardice during a virtual interaction with select media on Thursday.
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Might have been better to discuss it with ICC and other Boards before going public with the idea?

Because if this gets knocked back, then PCB will look a bit silly.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
I think the more realistic and likely thing would be a tri-series between India, Australia and England. Don't see Big 3 boards caring much about Ramiz's proposal. India does not want to play Pakistan and other two are not interested in touching the issue. Better to give this obsession with India a rest and focus on other things.
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Yes with maybe a New Zealand/South Africa thrown in now and then.
 
Aaqib Javed on this idea:

"Since Rameez Raja became the chairman, he has done many good things and given many good suggestions. Rameez Raja gave confidence to the team. The team played well in the T20 World Cup, and the individual performance of the players has also been good. The team responded well to the trust put in them, and now they are moving forward with confidence in the chairman"

"The proposal of four-nation series involving England, Australia, India, and Pakistan is good, but I think Pak-India matches should start now more than four-nation series. In this regard, steps also need to be taken. Pak-India bilateral series should move towards Europe or America"
 
BCCI secretary Jay Shah on Monday gave his verdict on PCB chairman Ramiz Raja's proposal for an annual four-nation T20I series involving India and Pakistan, along with England and Australia. He called it a "short-term commercial initiative".

Raja is set to present the proposal at the impeding ICC board meetings in March, with the argument that the bilateral series were financially draining.

"My view is that a new structure based on pooling and sharing of income should be formed," Ramiz had told ESPNcricinfo. "The idea is to register a company that works under the ICC and has a dedicated Chief Executive Officer regulating the entire financial model, with the income divided among all the members. There are numerous rivalries like Ashes, Pakistan-India rivalry so it can't go wrong when four T20 sides come and play each other. We need to whet the fans' appetite as they are getting fatigued, and we need to create something outside the FTP."

However, Shah seems more concerned with the expansion of the game to a more global level with the aim of seeing the sport at the Olympics.

"With the IPL window expanding and the ICC (global) events every year in the cycle, our primary responsibility is to safeguard bilateral cricket at home, with emphasis on test cricket," he told Reuters.

"I am also looking forward to seeing cricket at the Olympics, as that will help the game grow. Expansion of the sport is a challenge that our game faces and we must prioritise it over any short-term commercial initiative."

Having first proposed the idea on Twitter, Raja based his idea of a Super Series based on the Rugby union model where six top European nations play against each other annually.


"I am not a big fan of bilateral T20 series as T20I cricket needs a new life amid the challenges around franchise cricket," Ramiz had said. "Playing five bilateral T20Is is tedious, but if three or four nations play each other rather than bilateral series, that has a massive potential in terms of generating revenue. It's not like we need to create a parallel body like the Big Four, but it's about generating interest and the income can go to the other boards too."

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...rm-commercial-initiative-101644220003673.html
 
However, Shah seems more concerned with the expansion of the game to a more global level with the aim of seeing the sport at the Olympics.

"With the IPL window expanding and the ICC (global) events every year in the cycle, our primary responsibility is to safeguard bilateral cricket at home, with emphasis on test cricket," he told Reuters.
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Think Shah need to then work with Ramiz to organize a short 2 match test series against Pakistan. I know the political situation and all but as a sports lover we all want to see a test series between the two countries. Also, there are hardly 4-5 good cricket teams left...so its imperative we get some form of Indo-Pak bilateral series outside one off ICC events.

Honestly, couldn't care less about T20 series...let it be tri series or quadrilateral.
 
dravidthewall said:
So when we will expect India vs pakistan full series in pakistan?

3 Tests
5 Odis
3 T20.
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No chance of Indian team travelling to Pakistan anytime soon. But a short bilateral series is a possibility in India or neutral ground since Ramiz is in good terms with BCCI.
 
Ramiz is living on a different planet.There is zero chance of Pakistan-India bilateral matches.It is not going to happen so he should stop making stupid statements.I hope Pakistan never plays India again.
 
If only ICC actually operated like a governing body and made these kind of events happen, it would raise the profile of the sport massively.

Why can't regular T20 mini tournaments happen and India/Aus/Pak play for a trophy in OZ? or England? WI host South Africa and New Zealand? Or whatever combination, it would make the tour more interesting.
 
"I am also looking forward to seeing cricket at the Olympics, as that will help the game grow. Expansion of the sport is a challenge that our game faces and we must prioritise it over any short-term commercial initiative."
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I wish the PCB would stop begging.

It was embarrassing to read these comments given the BCCI were never going to entertain them.
 
Saj said:
I wish the PCB would stop begging.

It was embarrassing to read these comments given the BCCI were never going to entertain them.
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As the PCB Chairman it is his job to be pro-active. Those sitting here do not have any fiduciary duty to the PCB.
 
What will it take for Ramiz to understand we are not playing India anytime soon other then ICC competitions. It is embarrassing how he keeps going on and on about it. Indian fans have every reason to laugh at him. Give it a rest for goodness sake.
 
Why oh Why does RR keep banging on about India? Why can't these dunder heads get it into their thick skulls that India don't care, they're not interested, they don't want to play us.

In fact, their board and govt. would rather harm Pak cricket than try to enhance their image. Please Ramiz, stop this nonsense. Have some shame for peats sake.
 
Kroll said:
Why oh Why does RR keep banging on about India? Why can't these dunder heads get it into their thick skulls that India don't care, they're not interested, they don't want to play us.

In fact, their board and govt. would rather harm Pak cricket than try to enhance their image. Please Ramiz, stop this nonsense. Have some shame for peats sake.
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India controls world cricket. You can at the very best survive and get by without them but you cannot thrive without them.
 
There's nothing wrong with Ramiz's proposal in all honesty. If India doesn't want to accept it that's upto them. People are reading too much into it.

All the Indians here opposing the series are the most excited when India and Pakistan play so this is a reflection of their hypocrisy more than anything else.
 
Seems to have found an ally in CA Cheif.
 
Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairperson Ramiz Raja is still optimistic about the resumption of India-Pakistan cricket ties with a four-nation tournament. Not long ago, the former Pakistan skipper and current PCB president had expressed his desire of playing a high-profile series with arch-rivals Team India.

Sharing a tweet after Pakistan’s impressive run at the T20 World Cup 2021, Raja had proposed a four-nation T20I series including India, Pakistan, England and Australia.

Despite India's lack of interest in resuming its bilateral cricket ties with traditional rivals Pakistan, PCB chief Raja still wants to hold talks with Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) president Sourav Ganguly over his proposal to launch a four-nation white-ball tournament between the Asian and Ashes arch-rivals.

Raja has revealed that he will take up the four-nation proposal with BCCI president Ganguly at the upcoming Asian Cricket Council (ACC) meeting. The meeting is scheduled to take place in Dubai on March 19.

According to a report filed by news agency PTI, Raja told reporters at the Karachi National Stadium that his proposed tournament can also feature only three teams - Pakistan, England and Australia. "I will talk to Sourav Ganguly about it when we meet for the ACC meeting in Dubai. Both of us are former captains and players and for us cricket is not about politics. Even if India does not go with us on this proposal, we will think about launching an annual three-nation event with Australia and England in Pakistan," Raja said.

The PCB chief wants India and Pakistan to play regular cricket with each other in the international arena. Asian arch-rivals India and Pakistan only play against each other in International Cricket Council (ICC) and ACC (Asian Cricket Council) tournaments. Raja is also confident about India visiting Pakistan for the 2022 edition of the Asia Cup. "I think they will come and if they don't travel to Pakistan we will see what can be done," Raja added.

India last met Pakistan at the 2021 edition of the ICC World T20 in Dubai. Pakistan had recorded a famous win over India in the high-voltage clash. Babar Azam-led Pakistan side had ended India's unbeaten run against Pakistan in World Cup matches at the Dubai International Stadium.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...ricket-is-not-about-politics-article-90224215
 
Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairperson Ramiz Raja is still optimistic about the resumption of India-Pakistan cricket ties with a four-nation tournament. Not long ago, the former Pakistan skipper and current PCB president had expressed his desire of playing a high-profile series with arch-rivals Team India.

Sharing a tweet after Pakistan’s impressive run at the T20 World Cup 2021, Raja had proposed a four-nation T20I series including India, Pakistan, England and Australia.

Despite India's lack of interest in resuming its bilateral cricket ties with traditional rivals Pakistan, PCB chief Raja still wants to hold talks with Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) president Sourav Ganguly over his proposal to launch a four-nation white-ball tournament between the Asian and Ashes arch-rivals.

Raja has revealed that he will take up the four-nation proposal with BCCI president Ganguly at the upcoming Asian Cricket Council (ACC) meeting. The meeting is scheduled to take place in Dubai on March 19.

According to a report filed by news agency PTI, Raja told reporters at the Karachi National Stadium that his proposed tournament can also feature only three teams - Pakistan, England and Australia. "I will talk to Sourav Ganguly about it when we meet for the ACC meeting in Dubai. Both of us are former captains and players and for us cricket is not about politics. Even if India does not go with us on this proposal, we will think about launching an annual three-nation event with Australia and England in Pakistan," Raja said.

The PCB chief wants India and Pakistan to play regular cricket with each other in the international arena. Asian arch-rivals India and Pakistan only play against each other in International Cricket Council (ICC) and ACC (Asian Cricket Council) tournaments. Raja is also confident about India visiting Pakistan for the 2022 edition of the Asia Cup. "I think they will come and if they don't travel to Pakistan we will see what can be done," Raja added.

India last met Pakistan at the 2021 edition of the ICC World T20 in Dubai. Pakistan had recorded a famous win over India in the high-voltage clash. Babar Azam-led Pakistan side had ended India's unbeaten run against Pakistan in World Cup matches at the Dubai International Stadium.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...ricket-is-not-about-politics-article-90224215
 
Keep the ideas rolling Ramiz. Let the haters hate.
 
Pak v Aus v Eng ---> Sounds super exciting. Would love to watch this tri-nations.

Miss those Sharjah days of 90s / 00s where there were a lot of tri-nations tournaments.

Oh and the VB tri-nations series in Aus each year in Dec/Jan
 
May be a series to Pakistan will opens arms for friendship but such a event will probably only take place in Dubai.
 
The Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) proposal for a four-nation Twenty20 International tournament will not include India when it is put forward at the upcoming Board and Committee meetings of the International Cricket Council (ICC).

PCB chairman Ramiz Raja, since taking up the position last year, has more than once, called on the global cricket fraternity, specifically the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) to “rescue the future of international cricket”.

For Ramiz, the best way to do it was through creating a quadrangular tournament featuring the famous rivalries of Pakistan and India and England and Australia.

While England and Australia will be a part of Pakistan’s presentation about the quadrangular competition in the ICC meetings — set to take place on April 8 to 10 in Dubai — the slot for the fourth participant will be vacant.

According to sources, the slot will be open to all full members of the ICC including India.

Though Ramiz has talked about reaching out to his Indian counterpart Sourav Ganguly to discuss his vision of such a tournament several times, Pakistan’s poor diplomatic relations with their neghbours may have discouraged the PCB from including the two-time World Cup winners in the proposal.

It is also expected that India may vote against the proposal while England and Australia back it, which might result in it being discussed in depth during the meeting.

The PCB will also propose the discontinuation of T20I matches from bilateral series to ensure the four-nation tournament gains popularity high commercial benefits.

The bilateral series calendar for the 2024-25 cycle will also be decided in the ICC meetings and PCB will try to seek three Test matches in each of Pakistan’s series.

Published in Dawn, April 1st, 2022
 
MenInG said:
The Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) proposal for a four-nation Twenty20 International tournament will not include India when it is put forward at the upcoming Board and Committee meetings of the International Cricket Council (ICC).

PCB chairman Ramiz Raja, since taking up the position last year, has more than once, called on the global cricket fraternity, specifically the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) to “rescue the future of international cricket”.

For Ramiz, the best way to do it was through creating a quadrangular tournament featuring the famous rivalries of Pakistan and India and England and Australia.

While England and Australia will be a part of Pakistan’s presentation about the quadrangular competition in the ICC meetings — set to take place on April 8 to 10 in Dubai — the slot for the fourth participant will be vacant.

According to sources, the slot will be open to all full members of the ICC including India.

Though Ramiz has talked about reaching out to his Indian counterpart Sourav Ganguly to discuss his vision of such a tournament several times, Pakistan’s poor diplomatic relations with their neghbours may have discouraged the PCB from including the two-time World Cup winners in the proposal.

It is also expected that India may vote against the proposal while England and Australia back it, which might result in it being discussed in depth during the meeting.

The PCB will also propose the discontinuation of T20I matches from bilateral series to ensure the four-nation tournament gains popularity high commercial benefits.

The bilateral series calendar for the 2024-25 cycle will also be decided in the ICC meetings and PCB will try to seek three Test matches in each of Pakistan’s series.

Published in Dawn, April 1st, 2022
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Excellent stuff. Looking forward to a quality Super 4 tournament.
 
Four nation T20 series is meaning PCB should look to focus on Test matches
 
Don't trust Ramiz at all. He boasted about foreign coaches even for domestic but end up Saqlain for national team head coach. Means either PCB doesn't have money or no foreign coaches are interested or did same fake advertisement like Wasim Khan.
 
Ramiz Raja lives in fool's paradise. The India of today is not India of 90s. Today's India wants decimation of Pakistani cricket and wishes that the rest of the world boycotts Pakistani cricket. BCCI receives instructions from BJP government, and care less about money-making when it comes to Pakistan. Its tummy is already filled with huge amount of money it earns through IPL. There is no rivalry there, India has moved on and is riding high horse, and few India-Pakistan matches in ICC tournaments no longer invokes the same excitement and thrill like it used to in 90s and 2000s.

Instead of looking at India with greed , PCB should be rather wary of India and should be ready for any mischief from that side.
 
India, England and Australia are not exactly drooling at the prospects of getting millions of dollars that Ramiz Raja is eyeing, mostly from Indian market. India, England and Australia are not provinces of Pakistan that Ramiz Khan has jurisdiction on.

Ramiz Raja is head of PCB and he should concentrate on organising quadrangular tournament among Pakistan provinces, instead of dreaming of organising quadrangular tournament with the three biggest cricket revenue generating nations.
 
You cant be friends with someone who is obsessed with decimating you
 
Muhammad Kaleem said:
Ramiz Raja lives in fool's paradise. The India of today is not India of 90s. Today's India wants decimation of Pakistani cricket and wishes that the rest of the world boycotts Pakistani cricket. BCCI receives instructions from BJP government, and care less about money-making when it comes to Pakistan. Its tummy is already filled with huge amount of money it earns through IPL. There is no rivalry there, India has moved on and is riding high horse, and few India-Pakistan matches in ICC tournaments no longer invokes the same excitement and thrill like it used to in 90s and 2000s.

Instead of looking at India with greed , PCB should be rather wary of India and should be ready for any mischief from that side.
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We decimate ourselves ; dont even need anyone (including BCCI)
What RR is saying has flaws :
1) Australia, England, India : Play quality cricket among themselves when they field their A teams. Issue lies only with us where Australia and others send their B/C teams to compete with us. They gave us a chance , which we messed up by making dead pitches
2) BCCI cash cow is IPL and earn hell lot of $$ from there. BCCI, ECB, ACA will gain nothing from 650 million revenue (if that is the correct number RR came up with) when RR is saying this money will go to other members. That said , earning of 100 million will be nothing for BCCI, ACA and ECB; but will be huge money for PCB
3) Bilateral series : Bilateral series have already been given importance by putting World Cup point to the matches. And we dont see any India - SL repeated series anyone (which happened between 2009-2011)..And with IPL growing rapidly, after few years there will be lot less bilateral series
4) Failure of Asia Cup : Asia cup fails miserably , not because of $$, but because of quality of cricket where with an exception of (1/2 editions) India is always the favorite to win. Even there they dont send their main players..
I generally, dont celebrate with small small victories; but if you think from the bigger vision , then Pakistan has to really win consistently against big teams outside home to be even considered seriously. I will not go into the political answers of BCCI and ECB trying to decimate us, bla, bla...just logically it does not make sense to host an event where it is evident that Pakistan will be the first team to get knocked out, even if it is hosted in Asia (forget about being played in England or Australia)
Dont go too far : pick previous 3/4 editions of Asia Cup (with an exception of 2012) and see how we performed. We failed to even reach to finals in most of the occasions where the only competition to be in Finals is With Bangladesh

2004 : Did not play Final
2008 : Did not play Final
2010 : Did not play Final
2012 : Won
2014 : Lost final
2016 : Did not play final
2018 : Did not play Final
 
Looks like the estimates are that this tournament could bring in $650 million in revenues. That is a big number. Especially when it does not involve India.

Wonder why still so much dependency on BCCI/Indian $$$ when such money can be generated independently. ICC should take notice for their tournaments.
 
Same guy who said there’s a blank check waiting for the PCT? I wouldn’t trust his numbers
 
Triangular or quadrangular series don't work, when two teams that have no home crowd play it is dull. Not good for cricket.
 
As per media reports:

The four-nation Super Series involving Pakistan, India, Australia and England — suggested by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) — is estimated to generate $650 million in profit.

The proposal will be presented formally at the International Cricket Council (ICC) Board meeting on April 10 in Dubai which will be attended by PCB Chairperson Ramiz Raja and Chief Executive Faisal Hasnain.

The PCB has proposed series be played from September-October every year at one venue, which is an ideal period as it is the start of the season in Australia, Pakistan and India, and the near end of the English season,

The hosting rights for the tournament will be decided on the rotation policy and the ICC will look into the matters of the series.

It is not clear what the breakdown will be of the revenue, but it is thought that a significant portion could go towards the non-participating Full Members and Associate members.

As per a PCB official "This is a strategic paper in which the ICC and its members have been encouraged and invited to explore an untapped event opportunity around traditional rivalries in cricket, turn them into a cricket extravaganza, attract a new generation of cricketers, speed up cricket development and maximise revenues for the members. This event will also bring a further nation vs nation event, in a cricket calendar that is being increasingly influenced by mushrooming of various T20 leagues around the world. Because of that, bilateral T20Is have become meaningless. The four-nation Super Series can fill the vacuum."
 
U$ofA said:
Looks like the estimates are that this tournament could bring in $650 million in revenues. That is a big number. Especially when it does not involve India.

Wonder why still so much dependency on BCCI/Indian $$$ when such money can be generated independently. ICC should take notice for their tournaments.
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Who has given this estimate? And for how many years

And is this figure includes Indian participation or not?
 
What is PCB's grouse with bilateral T20Is? Why they want them to be cancelled?
 
Muhammad Kaleem said:
Ramiz Raja lives in fool's paradise. The India of today is not India of 90s. Today's India wants decimation of Pakistani cricket and wishes that the rest of the world boycotts Pakistani cricket. BCCI receives instructions from BJP government, and care less about money-making when it comes to Pakistan. Its tummy is already filled with huge amount of money it earns through IPL. There is no rivalry there, India has moved on and is riding high horse, and few India-Pakistan matches in ICC tournaments no longer invokes the same excitement and thrill like it used to in 90s and 2000s.

Instead of looking at India with greed , PCB should be rather wary of India and should be ready for any mischief from that side.
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India actually doesn't care about PCB or Pakistan cricket. India will only look after its own interests.

PCB is free to organize whatever tournament it wants, ICC should not be managing it, nor should bilateral T20Is be cancelled. Also any team that wants, should be free to play international cricket during this tournament.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Same guy who said there’s a blank check waiting for the PCT? I wouldn’t trust his numbers
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CA's all rights combined is around 1bn.
ECB all rights combined is around £1bn.

And these include BBL and Hundred rights.

So i would like to see how much a broadcaster will pay for this quadrangular.
 
I don't think Ramiz is any position to table anything until the next Govt is in place and his own position is confirmed.
 
I think Ramiz has been suggested this idea by people who know things about BCCI and Indian Government that we do not know,

I wouldn’t be surprised if this idea came from Jay Shah/ Ganguly and filtered through to Ramiz
 
Rana said:
I think Ramiz has been suggested this idea by people who know things about BCCI and Indian Government that we do not know,

I wouldn’t be surprised if this idea came from Jay Shah/ Ganguly and filtered through to Ramiz
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Easy for BCCI to get permission for multinational tournament which also involves Pakistan because just bilateral cricket will not be given green light by Indian govt. Both BCCI & Ramiz understands this and hence taking this 4 nations route. It will be Asia cup type tournament.
 
For the record, I am completely against these kind of mini-leagues within larger cricket fraternity.

PCB has been supported by boards like West Indies, Sri Lanka and South Africa at their time of need. To ditch all of them and create a mini league that takes up lucrative part of calendar just to reward 4 boards reeks of all kinda of greed, hypocrisy and low moral bar for me.

Everyone is enamored by Indian cricket board's riches to the point where any idea of decency, fraternity and above all, sportsmanship has gone out of the window.

And to make players participate in yet more T20c like they are clowns in a circus and not a serious sport, just stinks.
 
Rana said:
I think Ramiz has been suggested this idea by people who know things about BCCI and Indian Government that we do not know,

I wouldn’t be surprised if this idea came from Jay Shah/ Ganguly and filtered through to Ramiz
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Lol! BCCI would definitely not be a part of a quadrangle involving Pakistan . If BCCI wanted such a quadrangle they will make it happen but rest assured Pakistan won't be a part of it.
 
Quadrangular T20 series doesn't sound appealing.

Quadrangular ODI series is much better. Reminds me of good old 90's (when there used to be tournaments like this).
 
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