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Rana Naved-ul-Hasan - How good was he?

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Honestly I believe he was a lot better then his stats suggested, especially in the One day format. I remember him and Umar gul bowling in the 2010 series in England and it was such a joy. Even at 13/14 years old then. He was having the batsman dance to his tunes at times.

However in your opinion how good was he and was he unfairly treated by the PCB?
 
He was instrumental to our 2005 ODI series win in India.

Had a good slower ball, could swing the new ball and was handy batting at #8. However he could get carted from time to time.

I'd compare Fahim Ashraf more closely with Rana Naved than Abdul Razzaq.
 
I remember around 2005-2007 he was our best ODI bowler. He was a big reason why we won the series in India in 2005. He was good for only a short period of time - he eventually lost it and was being destroyed for 6-8 RPO in many games.
 
He was just another Sami, Wahab and Gul. Had skills but not the bowling intelligence to make it big in international cricket.

Had he been born 10 years later he could have had a good T20 career for Pak. Had good variations after all.
 
Very talented but not the best when it came to effort & commitment , very good LOI bowler 04-08 amongst the best with Yorkers & the lethal slow Yorker
 
I remember him for the yorker to Vaughan, trouble Sehwag in the 2005 series and for taking that one handed stunner in Sri Lanka.

An okayish player who was handy once in a while. Rao Iftikhar was the underrated bowler from that period.
 
He had a fantastic yorker and a good slower one too. Also a good slogger. He played quite a few games for Pakistan because he was decent.
 
Mamoon said:
I remember him for the yorker to Vaughan, trouble Sehwag in the 2005 series and for taking that one handed stunner in Sri Lanka.

An okayish player who was handy once in a while. Rao Iftikhar was the underrated bowler from that period.
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Do you recall what he did to get banned after the Australia series in 2009/10? He was given like a 6 month ban by Ejaz Butt.
 
msb314 said:
Do you recall what he did to get banned after the Australia series in 2009/10? He was given like a 6 month ban by Ejaz Butt.
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He was banned for a year along with Malik. MoYo and Younis were banned for “indefinite period” while Afridi and Akmal brothers were fined.

The 100% losing record, the Sydney heartbreak, Kamran’s dropped catches, Umar apparently faking his injury and Afridi biting the ball.

Not to forget the team uniting to revolt against the captaincy of Younis and apparently throwing the ODI series against New Zealand a month before the Australian tour.

Ijaz Butt had enough of Pakistan cricket at that point. This outburst was bizarre but understandable.
 
I think he was at good at reverse swinging the ball, was pretty successful in the australian big bash league.
 
Mamoon said:
He was banned for a year along with Malik. MoYo and Younis were banned for “indefinite period” while Afridi and Akmal brothers were fined.

The 100% losing record, the Sydney heartbreak, Kamran’s dropped catches, Umar apparently faking his injury and Afridi biting the ball.

Not to forget the team uniting to revolt against the captaincy of Younis and apparently throwing the ODI series against New Zealand a month before the Australian tour.

Ijaz Butt had enough of Pakistan cricket at that point. This outburst was bizarre but understandable.
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So what was Naved's crime to get banned for a year?
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
He was just another Sami, Wahab and Gul. Had skills but not the bowling intelligence to make it big in international cricket.

Had he been born 10 years later he could have had a good T20 career for Pak. Had good variations after all.
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Completely wrong. He was a very smart bowler but didn't have a lot of natural pace and swing. At his peak he was the top bowler in death overs in the world.

Also "just another Gul?" Gul was one of our best bowlers for 6-7 years
 
He was an outstanding bowler, yes I use the word outstanding. He was better than Gul,Wahab,Anwar,Razzaq and all the current Pakistani pacers. He had everything a fast bowler should have in his armoury. Unfortunately for Pakistan, he was debuted quite late,after making an impressive debut probably against Srilanka ,he was dropped for sometime and then taken again and his career also was ended prematurely when he was still blazing in leagues around the world. I just liked his bowling,enthusiasm on the field,body language.
 
Well, he was called "The Flying Doormat" so not very good. I know that was in reference to his hair but if your hair is all that stands out, you're not a very good cricketer.

People comparing his to Umar Gul are completely wrong. Gul was a fantastic bowler at his peak and far better than Naveed.
 
Rana was a very useful package for short formats.

As bowler could swing the ball , as well as very good slow ball. With Bat very handy number 9 .
 
Above average bowler for ODI, for a short period of time, would have been a very useful T20 player and would be making lots of money in T20, had he born 10 years later.
 
Pitched the ball up and got the ball to swing. Pretty accurate yorkers. But that's all he knew hence was prone to getting carted around when he didn't get it right.
 
He was rapid in his early days, but not quick enough by the time he made his debut. Relied on beating the batsmen with pace through the air, coupled with that natural shape he got going. By the time 2007WC came around, he was handicapped by his pace severely and got carted around by everyone. Fantastic exponent of reverse-swing though. That yorker to Vaughan is still etched in memory.

Shouldn't have played in 2010. He was finished by then.
 
The biggest travesty was that when he made his debut, he was once of twice referred to as a Youngster from the combox.
 
Badsha said:
Completely wrong. He was a very smart bowler but didn't have a lot of natural pace and swing. At his peak he was the top bowler in death overs in the world.

Also "just another Gul?" Gul was one of our best bowlers for 6-7 years
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There is a reason both these bowlers couldn't make it big in Test cricket. Both had talent and certain skills but not the bowling intelligence. So when things didn't get their way both got carted around in the longer formats.

In T20's they were good because of those yorkers and variations. Especially Gul was lethal in T20's and the reason Pak did so well.
 
Anyone seen him in old big bash. He was a cult figure for Hobart hurricanes. As popular as abd
for rcb.
He got lethal reverse swinging Yorkers but later was exposed that he tampered the ball with his long thumbnails.
 
His Slow ball was unplayable, could also reverse, good yorker but not very economical though.
 
I remember watching Ind Vs pak series, I was out of touch of cricket for almost 5-6 years, saw him bowling and my first expression... Is this a pakistani bowler?? :dw ball took eternity to come to the batsmen.:ashwin He made a name for himself later on but really it wasn't pak standards in bowling.
 
we called him "Talent" coz he had none of it.

Very hard working non-talented guy.

We still call him Rana "Talent"
 
A very good singer also - loves singing songs of Mohammad Rafi.
 
he wasnt the best, but was handy in that time period. He later on lost the plot and would give runs like no tomorrow. Bowls decent in first or 2nd spells and then it seemed like a session of stick cricket 6 6 4 4 6 4... etc... me and my brother used to bet on how quickly the game would end due to his bowling...

to be fair to him, and those calling him talentless, he was a field hockey player first and then started cricket late.... those hair locks though, rana, rana, rana...
 
I remember Rana having Chris Gayles number in a series in 2006. Think he got him in every match within the first few overs.
 
I think he was one of the most skilled and intelligent ODI bowlers we had back then.

At the same time there is no doubt in my mind that he was one of "those" guys who engaged in that stuff big time.
 
CricketDon said:
Honestly I believe he was a lot better then his stats suggested, especially in the One day format. I remember him and Umar gul bowling in the 2010 series in England and it was such a joy. Even at 13/14 years old then. He was having the batsman dance to his tunes at times.

However in your opinion how good was he and was he unfairly treated by the PCB?
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He was not part of the 2010 Series in England. That was the series in Which Asif Amir and Salman were caught in the News of the World sting.
 
msb314 said:
So what was Naved's crime to get banned for a year?
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As far as I can recall, no concrete reasons were provided for the bans imposed on any of the players. The statements were very vague.
 
cricketAXEpert said:
He was not part of the 2010 Series in England. That was the series in Which Asif Amir and Salman were caught in the News of the World sting.
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Oh yes my mistake. Which series am I referring to then? Was it in Australia? It’s been so long and I was so young.
 
I liked him but could not believe my eyes when i read how he had conspired against YK.. lost all respect for him after that..
 
I never liked him as a cricketer. With ball he was a slow Wahab Riaz and with the bat he was....Hafeez.
 
If our young bowlers put in some hours in a takeaway doing some waitering instead of some big complex academy and work hard at their slower balls and variety to make up for loss in pace
And also go from being useless batters to a very useful all rounder
They might do well to learn from the likes of naved uk hasan and rao rather than waqar younis and Wasim akram
 
Had ability but no consistency. Typically 4/5 good balls followed by at least 1 terrible one.
 
At his peak (2004 - 2006) he was really good, a better bowler than Wahab has ever been and on par with Umar Gul. In 2005 he had 45 wickets in 22 ODI matches at an average of 21!
Outside of his peak years, he was worse than Wahab, and pretty mediocre

His death bowling was really good, and his slower ball was one of the best ever.
 
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A vastly superior version of Faheem Ashraf.

Had a nice outswinger and got the better of Sehwag on a few occasions on that famous 2005 tour. Was no mug with the bat so balanced the side batting at 8. Did have a problem with extras though and on his bad days would REALLY get carted around.
 
Mainul said:
He was an outstanding bowler, yes I use the word outstanding. He was better than Gul,Wahab,Anwar,Razzaq and all the current Pakistani pacers. He had everything a fast bowler should have in his armoury. Unfortunately for Pakistan, he was debuted quite late,after making an impressive debut probably against Srilanka ,he was dropped for sometime and then taken again and his career also was ended prematurely when he was still blazing in leagues around the world. I just liked his bowling,enthusiasm on the field,body language.
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I second that. He had everything - great outswinger, pinpoint yorkers, reverse swing, decent pace hovering 140, very deceptive slower balls - both leg break and off break amongst them, and workaholic attitude. Had good fitness for Pakistani standards as well.

He was the man of the series for December 2006 ODI series against West Indies, but flopped in only one series (the very next one against South Africa) and was immediately dropped in favour of out of sorts Azhar Mahmood for the world cup! I'm sure had he played the World Cup, he could have run through Windies and Irish batting line-ups on green-tops that were prepared.

He was the highest wicket taker in BBL 2011, which included a hattrick, and was performing impressively alongside Mushtaq Ahmad in English County for 4, 5 seasons on the trot. Anyone who would have seen his county performances in 2010 (when he was still swinging miles) would have recommended him for the World Cup 2011 over Razzaq, Umar Gul and Wahab (who all were inconsistent back then and lacked swing+effective change-ups).

He was a proper allrounder as well by that time.

One more story of wasted talent in long history of such stories in Pakistan
 
KyoOne said:
I second that. He had everything - great outswinger, pinpoint yorkers, reverse swing, decent pace hovering 140, very deceptive slower balls - both leg break and off break amongst them, and workaholic attitude. Had good fitness for Pakistani standards as well.

He was the man of the series for December 2006 ODI series against West Indies, but flopped in only one series (the very next one against South Africa) and was immediately dropped in favour of out of sorts Azhar Mahmood for the world cup! I'm sure had he played the World Cup, he could have run through Windies and Irish batting line-ups on green-tops that were prepared.

He was the highest wicket taker in BBL 2011, which included a hattrick, and was performing impressively alongside Mushtaq Ahmad in English County for 4, 5 seasons on the trot. Anyone who would have seen his county performances in 2010 (when he was still swinging miles) would have recommended him for the World Cup 2011 over Razzaq, Umar Gul and Wahab (who all were inconsistent back then and lacked swing+effective change-ups).

He was a proper allrounder as well by that time.

One more story of wasted talent in long history of such stories in Pakistan
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I sometime feel very sorry that so many real talents were wasted due to nepotism in Pakistan. Pakistan could have done a lot better were these players selected in place of some pretty mediocre players who really was not fit to wear the green Pak jersey. I am a keen follower of Pak cricket ever since. Pak cricket was never in the hands of qualified and honest and impartial people. The present sorry state of Pak cricket is man made.If I was a Pakistani, I would have been severely frustrated.India is now a superlative cricket power and has gone far far far ahead of Pakistan in strength just because of proper management of their cricket and their talents.
 
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From what I recall from on his interviews, Rana Naved starting playing cricket very late - may have been a hockey player growing up. I believe with better coaching, he could've accomplished much more. Had good control on his length and could swing the ball - had the brains and was a wicket-taking options. I think he's a classic example of a bowlers career ending by a match or two and not being backed up by your coaching staff or board
 
Happy Birthday to Rana Naved - always had a soft spot for him - always there for Pakistan.

Born: February 28, 1978 (age 44 years), Sheikhupura, Pakistan
 
Asif
Shoaib
Rana

One of the best ODI trio in the history of Pakistan ODI. Great bowling trio this was!
 
He has good ODI performances against India.

His closest amongt the contemporaries would be Wasim Jr, decent bowler especially at the death with his yorkers, but like him he chose the "all rounder" tag and his weak batting clouded the judgment of his qualities as a bowler (same happened in India, likes of Agarkar, etc are not appreciated as they should because they liked to be seen as AR instead of bowlers).

Also, like most PK cricketers of the 90s and unlike most of the current lot, he was a "character", one of the last ones perhaps.
 
He wasn't that good.

Seemed to make a living as a specialist death bowler without really doing too much.

In those days the deatb bowler trend was just beginning and Rana was in the right place at the right time without doing much.
 
I think he'll be a decent coach.

A lot of experience from playing all around the world and has been working for a few years at his academy at Sheikhupura.
 

This was a beauty from Rana Naved.

Off-stump went flying.
 
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The first time I watched him was in Ind vs Pak game not sure what year was it 2004/2005?

I was out of touch from cricket for almost 4-5 years... and I am some one who have seen Pak fast bowling from the late 80 to 90s and when I saw him bowling live my first words were... "R u Kidding me???? this is Pakistan's International bowler? I was literally in state of shock that what pakistan cricket has become..
 
Plumb said:
The first time I watched him was in Ind vs Pak game not sure what year was it 2004/2005?

I was out of touch from cricket for almost 4-5 years... and I am some one who have seen Pak fast bowling from the late 80 to 90s and when I saw him bowling live my first words were... "R u Kidding me???? this is Pakistan's International bowler? I was literally in state of shock that what pakistan cricket has become..
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He was a nobody compared to Pakistani legends from 80's and 90's.

However, he kind of carried Pakistani LOI attack from mid-2000's to late-2000's. He was a regular.
 
He was ranked No. 1 bowler in ICC ODI bowlers ranking in 2006 iirc. Was a top performer in LOIs, both for Pakistan and Sialkot Stallions.

Like always, PCB confused his poor returns in test cricket and dropped him from the ODI side.

Hope he turns around the Afghan pace bowlers with all his skills and experience.
 
sweep_shot said:
He was a nobody compared to Pakistani legends from 80's and 90's.

However, he kind of carried Pakistani LOI attack from mid-2000's to late-2000's. He was a regular.
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Pretty much the problem for all Pak pace bowlers after W's retired , they along with Imran set the bar way to high for later bowlers. Akhtar was too injury prone and Asif self destroyed his career. Others were cast away way too soon after short blip in form.
 
Plumb said:
The first time I watched him was in Ind vs Pak game not sure what year was it 2004/2005?

I was out of touch from cricket for almost 4-5 years... and I am some one who have seen Pak fast bowling from the late 80 to 90s and when I saw him bowling live my first words were... "R u Kidding me???? this is Pakistan's International bowler? I was literally in state of shock that what pakistan cricket has become..
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uhmm from 2004 for a good 3 years he was a gun LOI bowler. Just look at his perfomances vs India and how he got Sehwag who was smashing it to all parts.
He had the pace and like I said for a period was a very good bowler.

Perhaps made his debut a bit too late, but that is because of Wasim and Waqar playing on for too long. also had decent pace 85 Mph - 90 Mph.
 
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