Rank these five modern day batsmen

[vic mackey]

I would like u to rank following players in all three differernt formats.

Joe Root
AB De villers
Virat kohli
Steve smith
Kane williamson

As per me

IN ODIS

1 VIRAT KOHLI
2 AB DE VILLERS
3 JOE ROOT
4 KANE WILLIAMSON
5 STEVE SMITH

IN TEST
1 STEVE SMITH
2 JOE ROOT
3 VIRAT KOHLI
4 AB DE VILLERS
5 KANE WILLIAMSON

IN T20
1 VIRAT KOHLI
2 AB DE VILLERS
3 KANE WILLIAMSON
4 STEVE SMITH
5 JOE ROOT

OVERALL
1 VIRAT KOHLI
2 AB DE VILLERS
3 STEVE SMITH
4 JOE ROOT
5 KANE WILLIAMSON

 

[Ab Fan]

AB de Villiers dont belong to same era as them. You cant really compare a 50% career of a player to 85-90% of other player career.

 

[Ab Fan]

Anyways considering into all formats and as per their overall results and given the ceiling for younger guns, their overall career may end up this:

Smith/Kohli
ABDV
Root
Kane

 

[zeikz123]

you should have amla instead od abd

 

[ShahidDar08]

Don't include AB in this list. He has already passed his prime.

 

[AlizeeFan]

I would like u to rank following players in all three differernt formats.

Joe Root
AB De villers
Virat kohli
Steve smith
Kane williamson

As per me

IN ODIS

1 VIRAT KOHLI
2 AB DE VILLERS
3 JOE ROOT
4 KANE WILLIAMSON
5 STEVE SMITH

IN TEST
1 STEVE SMITH
2 JOE ROOT
3 VIRAT KOHLI
4 AB DE VILLERS
5 KANE WILLIAMSON

IN T20
1 VIRAT KOHLI
2 AB DE VILLERS
3 KANE WILLIAMSON
4 STEVE SMITH
5 JOE ROOT

OVERALL
1 VIRAT KOHLI
2 AB DE VILLERS
3 STEVE SMITH
4 JOE ROOT
5 KANE WILLIAMSON

Smith is bit ahead of Williamson in ODIs. Bit more attacking batsman and has already scored runs in WC matches which places. There is no reason why Williamson should be considered ahead of him.

Kohli
ABDV
Root
Smith
Williamson

I don't know how Joe Root is considered as better than Kohli and Williamson in tests. Guy has 3 centuries in away matches - something which Kohli has done in single tour of Australia. He has been scoring runs at home and hardly lacks temperament to score big outside England. There are 25 batsman who have same number of 100s than him in away matches. What exactly places him above both of them?

Smith
ABDV
Kohli
Williamson
Root

In in the end how is Smith better than Root in T20s? Or even Williamson?

Kohli
ABDV
Root
Williamson
Smith

 

[another drop catch]

Smith
kohli
Ab de villers
Kane williamson
joe root

 

[Subhan999]

Kohli
Smith
Root
Warner
Williamson
Amla
Babar Azam
Dhawan

 

[jnaveen1980]

AB was developing when Hayden, Gilchrist, Mcgrath were around . He doesn't belong to this group. Among these guys Warner, Kohli, Smith are authentic stroke players if you leave out ABDV. Root/Williamson can play strokes. But they are not in the same league as Kohli and Smith.i

Watch Kohli in under 19 WC. He played exactly the same kind of shots that he is playing now. Basically he was already fully ready. His game didn't have to evolve much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tgIyf-Jkmg

 

[Mamoon]

Excluding de Villiers - he belongs to the previous era.

Tests:

Smith
Kohli
Root
Williamson

ODIs:

Kohli
Root
Smith
Williamson

T20Is:

Kohli
Root
Smith
Williamson

Overall:

Kohli
Smith/Root
Root/Smith
Williamson

 

[Bilal7]

ABDV is a cut above the other four in both ODIs and tests. Although Smith is only behind in test cricket due to a lack of longevity.

 

[Mamoon]

ABDV is a cut above the other four in both ODIs and tests. Although Smith is only behind in test cricket due to a lack of longevity.

Smith left de Villiers behind in Test cricket long ago.

 

[babajee]

ABDV is a cut above the other four in both ODIs and tests. Although Smith is only behind in test cricket due to a lack of longevity.

) No my friend

Why do you go to such lengths to defend your favourites?

 

[WengerOut]

Smith left de Villiers behind in Test cricket long ago.

He thinks Smith is behind while in reality Smith is lapping ABDV

 

[Bilal7]

Smith left de Villiers behind in Test cricket long ago.

Long ago? Smith has played 57 test matches thus far so when exactly did he pass a guy with over 100 test matches and runs all across the world?

Did it happen after 20 matches? 30 matches? Or 40 matches?

Smith is far better in tests than Root, Williamson and Kohli (yes, that is the hierarchy) but he's not yet at the level of ABD. Give it a couple more years.

 

[Mamoon]

Long ago? Smith has played 57 test matches thus far so when exactly did he pass a guy with over 100 test matches and runs all across the world?

Did it happen after 20 matches? 30 matches? Or 40 matches?

Smith is far better in tests than Root, Williamson and Kohli (yes, that is the hierarchy) but he's not yet at the level of ABD. Give it a couple more years.

Smith has done more in 57 Tests than de Villiers has in 100. He is already a borderline ATG in Tests while de Villiers is not close to that level. Not only de Villiers, but Smith has left pretty much every Test batsman of the last 15 odd years behind minus Sangakkara, but it is only a matter of time.

If he can keep this up for 100+ Tests then he has every chance of ending up as the greatest Test batsman since Bradman.

de Villiers is a box office player who will be remembered for generations, but he is not at the same level as Smith in Test cricket.

 

[Virat_Kohli_fan]

Funny to argue against Smith as a test player, guy literally averages 10 more than the other good players going around and has made some of the hardest runs out there.

When Kohli starts averaging beyond 55 and Root discovers it's actually possible in cricket to score more than fifty, then we will talk.

 

[Bilal7]

Smith has done more in 57 Tests than de Villiers has in 100. He is already a borderline ATG in Tests while de Villiers is not close to that level. Not only de Villiers, but Smith has left pretty much every Test batsman of the last 15 odd years behind minus Sangakkara, but it is only a matter of time.

If he can keep this up for 100+ Tests then he has every chance of ending up as the greatest Test batsman since Bradman.

de Villiers is a box office player who will be remembered for generations, but he is not at the same level as Smith in Test cricket.

No, Smith has not done more in his 50-odd matches than ABD has in 100+. He's played a single series in South Africa, Sri Lanka, New Zealand and the UAE, IIRC. That is simply not enough to rate a modern day player as a borderline ATG.

He's the best test batsman in the world today, quite easily and the best overall of the 'fab four' or 'big five' but I fail to see why you're acting as if he's a veteran of 80+ tests and overhyping him. Regardless, you're not going to see the facts especially if they favor a mainstream star like ABD. Thus, we can agree to disagree.

 

[Mamoon]

No, Smith has not done more in his 50-odd matches than ABD has in 100+. He's played a single series in South Africa, Sri Lanka, New Zealand and the UAE, IIRC. That is simply not enough to rate a modern day player as a borderline ATG.

He's the best test batsman in the world today, quite easily and the best of the 'fab four' or 'big five' but I fail to see why you're acting as if he's a veteran of 80+ tests and overhyping him. Regardless, you're not going to see the facts especially if they favor a mainstream star like ABD. Thus, we can agree to disagree.

There is no criteria for doing it over an arbitrary X number of series. You don't have to do it over and over again and you don't have to do it every single time. Smith has conquered every challenge and he has taken consistency and art of scoring hundreds to a completely different level.

He is comfortably a better Test batsman than de Villiers.

 

[Buffet]

If Smith and AB both hang up their boots right now, I will take Smith's career.

 

[Bilal7]

There is no criteria for doing it over an arbitrary X number of series. You don't have to do it over and over again and you don't have to do it every single time. Smith has conquered every challenge and he has taken consistency and art of scoring hundreds to a completely different level.

He is comfortably a better Test batsman than de Villiers.

You do have to keep doing it over and over again to end up as an ATG with ATG numbers. Otherwise, you'll end up with a record like Cook's in Australia: superb during one series and a failure every other time.

At the moment, he's a better batsman than ABD but AB has had the better career and if both were to retire tomorrow, the South African would be rated higher by nearly everyone.

 

[Mamoon]

You do have to keep doing it over and over again to end up as an ATG with ATG numbers. Otherwise, you'll end up with a record like Cook's in Australia: superb during one series and a failure every other time.

At the moment, he's a better batsman than ABD but AB has had the better career and if both were to retire tomorrow, the South African would be rated higher by nearly everyone.

Smith has also surpassed Cook comfortably. He has no weakness against any type of bowling.

If both Smith and de Villiers retire today, the latter will be rated much higher across formats, but the former will be rated higher in Tests. Only a few people with an unhealthy infatuation with South African players amla) will rate de Villiers higher than Smith in Tests.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Smith can score next 2700 runs at avg of 39 and he will still end up 8000+ runs at avg of 50.

 

[Bilal7]

Smith has also surpassed Cook comfortably. He has no weakness against any type of bowling.

If both Smith and de Villiers retire today, the latter will be rated much higher across formats, but the former will be rated higher in Tests. Only a few people with an unhealthy infatuation with South African players amla) will rate de Villiers higher than Smith in Tests.

Firstly, you're the one obsessed with South Africans, not me. You revealed as much when you outright admitted that you hated them, in a previous post. Makes me wonder what caused this but it's none of my business.

Secondly, everyone and their dog will pick the 100 test veteran who has done very well all across the world over someone with merely 57 tests under their belt and just a single away series in the majority of test playing nations.

Thirdly, Smith might have no weaknesses but we will not know until and unless he proves himself for a few more years. People overrated Cook after that series in 2010 and Voges during the first few matches of his career. When they played more games, it was found out that they weren't the legends people were making them out to be.

Smith is clearly more talented than either of those two duds but he needs to play for a longer period of time before he can be called a better batsman than ABDV.

 

[Bilal7]

Smith can score next 2700 runs at avg of 39 and he will still end up 8000+ runs at avg of 50.

If he does, he won't be the legend everyone is making him out to be and depending on thr context of that 39 average, he won't be better than ABD either.

Or he can scored his next 2700 runs at an average of 80 and truly become the modern-day Bradman.

We don't know and therefore, people need to keep their emotions in check and let his career play out.

 

[Mamoon]

Firstly, you're the one obsessed with South Africans, not me. You revealed as much when you outright admitted that you hated them, in a previous post. Makes me wonder what caused this but it's none of my business.

Secondly, everyone and their dog will pick the 100 test veteran who has done very well all across the world over someone with merely 57 tests under their belt and just a single away series in the majority of test playing nations.

Thirdly, Smith might have no weaknesses but we will not know until and unless he proves himself for a few more years. People overrated Cook after that series in 2010 and Voges during the first few matches of his career. When they played more games, it was found out that they weren't the legends people were making them out to be.

Smith is clearly more talented than either of those two duds but he needs to play for a longer period of time before he can be called a better batsman than ABDV.

Which two duds? You only named one, i.e. Voges.

Secondly, the fact that are using Voges' example to show that Smith is not better than de Villiers illustrates that you have completely lost the plot. Smith has already proved himself and answered all questions. He is a modern day great of Test cricket and longevity will only enhance his legacy, not define it.

 

[Bilal7]

Which two duds? You only named one, i.e. Voges.

Secondly, the fact that are using Voges' example to show that Smith is not better than de Villiers illustrates that you have completely lost the plot. Smith has already proved himself and answered all questions. He is a modern day great of Test cricket and longevity will only enhance his legacy, not define it.

Voges and Cook. Both are duds when it comes to talent. Smith is far more talented.

It is an extreme example but a valid one. One tour in each country does not answer every question. He has to do it multiple times to go down as an ATG and a better test batsman than de Villiers.

You also rate Kohli as the "second greatest ODI batsman of all-time" so it's unlike that your opinion will change unless and until reality hits hard. So we can agree to disagree for now and bring this up in the future.

 

[Mamoon]

Voges and Cook. Both are duds when it comes to talent. Smith is far more talented.

It is an extreme example but a valid one. One tour in each country does not answer every question. He has to do it multiple times to go down as an ATG and a better test batsman than de Villiers.

You also rate Kohli as the "second greatest ODI batsman of all-time" so it's unlike that your opinion will change unless and until reality hits hard. So we can agree to disagree for now and bring this up in the future.

It is absurd to call one of the best modern openers a 'dud' because he is not very talented. Such terms should be reserved for players who have failed in international cricket. You can put it in a more appropriate way by stating that Cook has overachieved considering his natural ability.

However, Smith is indeed more talented - his hand-eye coordination is frighteningly good. He isn't as talented as de Villiers though, but he is way ahead when it comes to temperament and character.

Yes this is a good time for the game. We are watching two batsmen (Kohli and Smith) who can realistically end up in the top two of their stronger formats. Kohli is already there, and Smith is close to that level.

He is sprinting past the greats of the game.

 

[AlizeeFan]

If he does, he won't be the legend everyone is making him out to be and depending on thr context of that 39 average, he won't be better than ABD either.

Or he can scored his next 2700 runs at an average of 80 and truly become the modern-day Bradman.

We don't know and therefore, people need to keep their emotions in check and let his career play out.

Ponting averaged total 39 outside that phase of 2002-2006.

 

[logicsupreme]

Smith has an astonishing Test record. He will probably end up better than AB. At the moment they are tied.

How people rate Kohli ahead of Root in tests is really puzzling. The tour of SA will provide a great chance for Kohli to prove his mettle. He is in the form of his life and Steyn has not played a test in a year.

Tests:

Smith/AB
Root
Pujara/Kane/Kohli They are all the same or very similar level at the moment. SA series will be an excellent comparison

 

[Cricfan4eva]

ODI & T20

Kohli
Root
Smith
Williamson

Test

Smith
Williamson
Kohli
Root


Overall

Smith-Kohli
Williamson
Root

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Smith has an astonishing Test record. He will probably end up better than AB. At the moment they are tied.

How people rate Kohli ahead of Root in tests is really puzzling. The tour of SA will provide a great chance for Kohli to prove his mettle. He is in the form of his life and Steyn has not played a test in a year.

Tests:

Smith/AB
Root
Pujara/Kane/Kohli They are all the same or very similar level at the moment. SA series will be an excellent comparison

He has only three away century, out of which one came WI, he scores decent 50 and throw his wicket away, makes his average good but do he helps his team? Conversion ratio is 28%. 13 century and 34 half century .
He is not a youngster but a captain, need to take responsibility and should not throw his wicket after scoring 50.
Take present test for example , he got out after making cute 51 on such a good batting track with no demons leaving England in a peril, while Kohli in last test scored century when wickets were tumbling around him and took India to safe position and that too on bowling track.
I am not saying Kohli always score big but when he scores he try to score big.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Smith has an astonishing Test record. He will probably end up better than AB. At the moment they are tied.

How people rate Kohli ahead of Root in tests is really puzzling. The tour of SA will provide a great chance for Kohli to prove his mettle. He is in the form of his life and Steyn has not played a test in a year.

Tests:

Smith/AB
Root
Pujara/Kane/Kohli They are all the same or very similar level at the moment. SA series will be an excellent comparison

It's pretty simple actually. Opposite is more puzzling given that there is nothing to rate Root above him.

Both average 59 at home and 45 away. Kohli has more 100s in lesser innings. 19 compared to 13 and Kohli has scored more 100s in 1 series in Aus than what Root has in his career.

Unless matches are played in England, there is no reason to take Root over him. Btw, Kohli has already proven himself in SA.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Excluding AB, the ranking is:

1. Smith
2. Kohli
3. Kane
4. Root (hyped without any accomplishment)

 

[maxamax]

Probably among the worst gen ever. Dont want to rate any of them. Even Sanga, Sehwag, ABD were better than those.

 

[Aman]

ODI & T20
Kohli
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
Root
Smith
Williamson

Test
Smith
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
Kohli
-
-
-
-
Kane
-
-
Root

 

[giri26]

Tests:
Smith
Daylight
Kohli
Williamson
Root

ODI

Kohli
Daylight
Smith
Root
Williamson

 

[zain7077]

ODI & T20
Kohli
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
Root
Smith
Williamson

Test
Smith
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
Kohli
-
-
-
-
Kane

-
Root

Babar Azam is a better loi batsman than Williamson. You may find this debatable but he will definitely end up superior.

 

[Aman]

Babar Azam is a better loi batsman than Williamson. You may find this debatable but he will definitely end up superior.

Let him win matches against teams not named WI or SL first.

 

[dravidthewall]

Tests

Smith
Kohli
Root
Kane

Odi
Kohli
Root
Smith
Kane


T20
Kohli
Root
Kane
Smith

 

[zain7077]

Let him win matches against teams not named WI or SL first.

Against your lot in a months time

 

[kingusama92]

First 57 Tests

Steve Smith: 61.23 AVG (21 100s, 21 50s)

AB De Villiers: 43.67 AVG (9 100s, 21 50s)

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Smith is head and shoulders above the others in tests

 

[jnaveen1980]

Kohli will definitely improve a lot. I think Smith has already hit the peak. There comes a point in everyone's career where you will be wondering where the next run will come from. Smithy hasn't hit that phase yet. Sangkkara was batting like a dream for a period.

 

[WengerOut]

Sangakkara and Lara were the only guys I remember quit the game when people asked 'why' instead of 'why not' .

 

[Ab Fan]

Excluding de Villiers - he belongs to the previous era.

Tests:

Smith
Kohli
Root
Williamson

ODIs:

Kohli
Root
Smith
Williamson

T20Is:

Kohli
Root
Smith
Williamson

Overall:

Kohli
Smith/<B>Root</B>
Root/Smith
Williamson

The English love is there to be seen.

 

[Ab Fan]

First 57 Tests

Steve Smith: 61.23 AVG (21 100s, 21 50s)

AB De Villiers: 43.67 AVG (9 100s, 21 50s)

Everyone will pick Smith over AB in first 57 tests.

Many would think to pick Smith 57 tests over AB 100 test too but that part is debatable.

Conclusion is Smith will end up higher than any batsmen debuted post 2000s in test format.

 

[Ab Fan]

As I said in my older posts, Smith, Kohli and de Villiers are three cricketers I firmly believe will end up as ATGs and will be remembered 50 years later too. The former two will end up higher though.

Root has long time to reach de Villiers level all formats combined.As of now, he is neither a box office hit nor a critically acclaimed player.

 

[ManFan]

Overall, Kholi is the complete package. Even if he fails against ENG, he will still be the best in 2 out of the 3 formats of the game. Smith though, will end up with a 53-55 average because his game relies almsot entirely on reflexes. Once he hits say 31, it will be all downhill.