Rapid decline of Pakistani bowling in T20Is

[Shoaib88]

A cruel fact: Australia had lost only 3 wickets in the whole series. Although our batting will take most of the blame due to this humiliation we just received but there needs to be urgent inspection on what is going terribly wrong in Pakistan new approach towards t20 bowling in recent times. I still can't comprehend why Haris Rauf and Usman Qadir, both of whom have immense experience in playing in Australia, weren't tried?

 

[King_Kohli]

//A cruel fact: Australia had lost only 3 wickets in the whole series//

Pathetic

 

[cricketjoshila]

Amir is a run holder.

Riaz and Irfan wont get many wickets.

What is Shadabs role exactly?

 

[angrypathan]

Our success was built on the back of Imad choking up the runs in the powerplay, building up pressure and taking wickets himself from time to time. He's useless on Australian tracks. We're also missing Shaheen Shah, who is arguably our best pacer at the moment and with his height the best suited for Australian wickets. Even with all that, we're just plain bad

 

[Mamoon]

But I thought PSL has the best standard of bowling among all leagues?

 

[Shoaib88]

But I thought PSL has the best standard of bowling among all leagues?

lol I would say BBL probably has the best standard of bowling

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

A cruel fact: Australia had lost only 3 wickets in the whole series. Although our batting will take most of the blame due to this humiliation we just received but there needs to be urgent inspection on what is going terribly wrong in Pakistan new approach towards t20 bowling in recent times. I still can't comprehend why Haris Rauf and Usman Qadir, both of whom have immense experience in playing in Australia, weren't tried?

so whom to blame now?
1.cheif selector?
2.coach
3.batting coach
4.bowling coach
waqar has been hiding behind misbah .. bowlers had no idea which length to bowl whatsover
in any point i didnt saw waqar try to communicate with bowlers or give any message of any sort.

 

[Captain caveman]

Haris rauf
Sameen gul
Ehsan adil
Shaheen shah afridi

These should have been the bowlers playing this series.
I am interested in watching naseem shah, havent seen much of him, but my guess is he and hasnain will need a couple more years to be international level.
Not worried about our pace bowling stocks, more worried about our batting stocks.

 

[Markhor]

Amir is a run holder.

Riaz and Irfan wont get many wickets.

What is Shadabs role exactly?

He is there for his dolphin dives and drama baaz in the field.

 

[Markhor]

so whom to blame now?
1.cheif selector?
2.coach
3.batting coach
4.bowling coach
waqar has been hiding behind misbah .. bowlers had no idea which length to bowl whatsover
in any point i didnt saw waqar try to communicate with bowlers or give any message of any sort.

Yet people were saying before his appointment that Azhar Mahmood was the problem and that if we hired Waqar (for a FIFTH time) he would revive the era of the 2Ws.

There is no cure for delusion.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Comes down to poor selection. Players like Hasnain, Talha, and Taj Wali have been left out.

 

[Captain caveman]

Yet people were saying before his appointment that Azhar Mahmood was the problem and that if we hired Waqar (for a FIFTH time) he would revive the era of the 2Ws.

There is no cure for delusion.

The era of the 2Ws will never be repeated, theres only been a handful of world class bowling partnerships like that in the history of the game - WI quartet, lillee and thompson, ambrose and walsh.

Haris rauf, sameen gul , shaheen, ehsan adil, naseem shah, hasnain and musa are all good options or prospects.

 

[Shoaib88]

The era of the 2Ws will never be repeated, theres only been a handful of world class bowling partnerships like that in the history of the game - WI quartet, lillee and thompson, ambrose and walsh.

Haris rauf, sameen gul , shaheen, ehsan adil, naseem shah, hasnain and musa are all good options or prospects.

sorry to say, out of all those bowlers listed, only haris rauf and shaheen look promising, rest are just overhyped

 

[Captain caveman]

sorry to say, out of all those bowlers listed, only haris rauf and shaheen look promising, rest are just overhyped

Ehsan has improved and i think sameen has potential. And naseem can be the new amir, but lets wait and see.

 

[Boiz Played Well]

Yet people were saying before his appointment that Azhar Mahmood was the problem and that if we hired Waqar (for a FIFTH time) he would revive the era of the 2Ws.

There is no cure for delusion.

The speed with which people forget about this is actually quite hilarious.

 

[Savak]

D Waqar is the bowling coach so the buck should stop with him at this point

 

[Savak]

Our bowling has always struggled in Australia. Our pacers just have zero idea on how to bowl there.

 

[Shoaib88]

Ehsan has improved and i think sameen has potential. And naseem can be the new amir, but lets wait and see.

yes they all seem to have potential, just like anwar ali did, nothing of substance to show for as of yet. Cant figure out why haris rauf still hasnt been given a chance though- and what about the guy who has most experience in australian conditions- usman qadir? pathetic selections by misbah

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Our bowling has always struggled in Australia. Our pacers just have zero idea on how to bowl there.

Should have hired a local consultant like Ryan Harris.

 

[Shoaib88]

Should have hired a local consultant like Ryan Harris.

lol u know how much he would cost? our board is giving misbah 3 in 1 role to save few bucks and you want guys like ryan harris as our 'consultants'

 

[Captain caveman]

yes they all seem to have potential, just like anwar ali did, nothing of substance to show for as of yet. Cant figure out why haris rauf still hasnt been given a chance though- and what about the guy who has most experience in australian conditions- usman qadir? pathetic selections by misbah

Potential is all you can go by, most will not fulfill their potential, but if a couple do, then you are in business.
Anyway, its better to have a few potential prospects than to have none at all(sing - always look on the bright side of life, ahoo, ahoo).

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

lol u know how much he would cost? our board is giving misbah 3 in 1 role to save few bucks and you want guys like ryan harris as our 'consultants'

What would he ask for 3-4 weeks? Even a few sessions could have been enough.

 

[coy0607]

so whom to blame now?
1.cheif selector?
2.coach
3.batting coach
4.bowling coach
waqar has been hiding behind misbah .. bowlers had no idea which length to bowl whatsover
in any point i didnt saw waqar try to communicate with bowlers or give any message of any sort.

I think when you're that bad (3 wickets total in 3 matches), everyone takes the blame

Waqar has proven himself to be mediocre coach in the past. Misbah is not a professional coach or selector, with no experience in either roles. Irfan, Shadab and Wahab have been anywhere between average and terrible in the recent past - their selection was a joke and they proved it. Amir is what he is - a defensive bowler who isn't a real wicket taking threat, as is Imad

If you're looking for one person to blame, its probably Wasim Khan. He is the decision maker, the bucks stops with him.
The decision to give Misbah such unprecedented power will probably end his career in Cricket

 

[Shoaib88]

What would he ask for 3-4 weeks? Even a few sessions could have been enough.

even for 2 days he would cost more money than we can afford, I think you are unaware of financial standings of our cricket board. We just can't afford anyone australian or english, south africans- maybe, so locals are best choice- which we already got in form of waqar younis

 

[Savak]

Should have hired a local consultant like Ryan Harris.

So someone like Waqar with his legendary experience, status and knowledge of playing in Australia is not enough?

 

[Mainul]

Not only in T20 you shall see it in tests also in this tour until Shahin and Abbas turns it around. The problem is Pakistan still don't find any settled bowling line up in any format. Amir, Abbas,Shahin,Shinwari,Hasnain,Musa, Wahab, Shadab,Yasir,Imad,Newaz,Iftekhar,Faheem, Junaid, Naseem.....so many .. it tells you that the management hasn't got any trust in their bowlers and feeling insecured .

 

[in_cutter]

And the batting...?

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

So someone like Waqar with his legendary experience, status and knowledge of playing in Australia is not enough?

You said it yourself: our bowling has always struggled in Aus and that includes lineups with Waqar in it. The only thing Waqar seems to understand is that you need pace on these wickets. Like all the others they seem to forget that line and length still play a role.

 

[Titan24]

Rapid decline in batting more than bowling, Pak was scoring 180-200 for fun previously but now struggling to score even 150 in last 1 year.

Bowling in T20s will get better with Shaheen and Hassan coming back but not even the greatest bowlers ever lived can defend 106 or even 140 odd on flat and fast wickets and in modern cricket.

 

[MMHS]

A cruel fact: Australia had lost only 3 wickets in the whole series. Although our batting will take most of the blame due to this humiliation we just received but there needs to be urgent inspection on what is going terribly wrong in Pakistan new approach towards t20 bowling in recent times. I still can't comprehend why Haris Rauf and Usman Qadir, both of whom have immense experience in playing in Australia, weren't tried?

To be honest, one of the 3 was an LBW I am not sure - felt it stuck out side line and had DRS ball tracking been there, batsman could have survived.

Coming to the reasoning of your post - the one and only reason of this decline is the systematic worshiping of the p*rn version of cricket. T20s are the worst thing that can happen to a bowler, which we like to ignore. Most people will say, it costs batting techniques, which is true, but not remotely close to what it does to bowlers. By the nature of the game, cricket rules are biased towards batsman - for that, bowlers need to be disciplined, skilled, intelligent, relentless and visionary - the most successful ones can stick to a plan, can bowl with precision to restrict a batsman, can plan his 6 balls (and the entire spell), can work-out batsmen's weakness and can sustain for long hours hard work for mental & physical endurance.

What this sh!t T20 asks? Continuous experiment with line, length, pace variation, grip, darting; not to bother for working out batsmen's defense, rather block him from slogging (wickets are just by product of the process) and a grand total of 24 balls labor!!! Recently, Badree wrote that you try to get batsman out, you are falling into his trap!!!!! T20 has cost PAK Amir, Hasan, Shadab already ... and it will eat alive whatever rest is left out there. Cricket by nature is a slow game - T20 is like beach version of soccer, but unlike soccer, it has overtaken it's dad to some countries... PAK is the leader of that group.

I can't and don't blame batting, as I wrote somewhere, a tree can survive without water for many months, but if bowlers are not firing, PAK cricket won't survive even a singe game, ..... we may be impressed by the dynamic top 3 though. PSL's only function should be to pour dirty money into PAK cricket, that can be channeled in to proper grooming of players - PCB brought it's "w*man" too close to the family, and the scandal now is spoiling it's legal children.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

To be honest, one of the 3 was an LBW I am not sure - felt it stuck out side line and had DRS ball tracking been there, batsman could have survived.

Coming to the reasoning of your post - the one and only reason of this decline is the systematic worshiping of the p*rn version of cricket. T20s are the worst thing that can happen to a bowler, which we like to ignore. Most people will say, it costs batting techniques, which is true, but not remotely close to what it does to bowlers. By the nature of the game, cricket rules are biased towards batsman - for that, bowlers need to be disciplined, skilled, intelligent, relentless and visionary - the most successful ones can stick to a plan, can bowl with precision to restrict a batsman, can plan his 6 balls (and the entire spell), can work-out batsmen's weakness and can sustain for long hours hard work for mental & physical endurance.

What this sh!t T20 asks? Continuous experiment with line, length, pace variation, grip, darting; not to bother for working out batsmen's defense, rather block him from slogging (wickets are just by product of the process) and a grand total of 24 balls labor!!! Recently, Badree wrote that you try to get batsman out, you are falling into his trap!!!!! T20 has cost PAK Amir, Hasan, Shadab already ... and it will eat alive whatever rest is left out there. Cricket by nature is a slow game - T20 is like beach version of soccer, but unlike soccer, it has overtaken it's dad to some countries... PAK is the leader of that group.

I can't and don't blame batting, as I wrote somewhere, a tree can survive without water for many months, but if bowlers are not firing, PAK cricket won't survive even a singe game, ..... we may be impressed by the dynamic top 3 though. PSL's only function should be to pour dirty money into PAK cricket, that can be channeled in to proper grooming of players - PCB brought it's "w*man" too close to the family, and the scandal now is spoiling it's legal children.

Damn right you are. Pakistan needs to focus on it's first class performers have poured hours into domestics, like Iftikhar. Glad that there's been a revamp and hopefully it continues to improve from here on.

 

[leatherface58]

This is what happens when you take raw youngsters and throw them into the deep end. The reason Pakistan has so many young international fast bowlers is because other countries blood them in via the A teams or the high performance centers while Pakistan elects to have them debut in places like Australia and South Africa where they have never played before just because they bowl quick and hope and pray that they are the next Wasim or Waqar.

 

[Hasan123]

Other than Amir and Imad who are better at keeping things tight than picking up wickets , our T20 bowling isn’t great.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan's T-20 and ODI bowling has suffered since the clampdown on a pre-15 degree Ajmal, Hafeez and Afridi's decline as a bowler, injuries to Junaid and a prime Irfan. Since then our bowling attack has lacked the ability to choke the runs up.