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Rashid Khan vs Shadab Khan

It takes a long time to learn the art of bowling spin in Test cricket, and there are no shortcuts. You have to put in the hard yards in F/C cricket and bowl marathon spells.

Shadab has been mediocre in Test cricket so far, even though he has not played a single match against a side that is quality against spin. Like Rashid Khan, he has barely any F/C experience, and if you pitch him against India at Bangalore at this stage of his career, he will suffer a similar fate.

Rashid is a brilliant talent and already the best Limited Overs spinner in the world. He can become world class in Test cricket as well, but it will be extremely difficult for him because he won't get to play a lot of Test cricket or F/C cricket.
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
Shadab's batting alone makes him ten times better than Rashid

I believe in world cricket apart from Stokes there is no better AR than Shaddy
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As an overall player, Shadab is definitely better. However, Rashid is comfortably the better spinner.
 
Guys let's not forget Shadab Khan was awful in his 1st Test too.
 
Both Rashid and Mujib need to be given more time before a proper judgement can be reached. These batsmen are superb players of spin - the best in the business, and test cricket is not an easy game. So there is no need to be too harsh.
 
The so called PP experts would like us to give Rashid a few games before he’s judged in tests while Shadab gets judged based on 4 test matches.
 
Realistically speaking, we can only judge two players when they've played a good 15-20 games across multiple conditions and venues.

That said it's not even a comparison worth mentioning. Shadab has significant contributions in world events helping his team win games at the genuine age of 19 while Rashid plays for a team that is playing its first test match.

Also since this thread is labeled 'Rashid Khan vs Shadab Khan' I find it incredibly cute that some poster (since Rashid is getting a hiding right now) are taking pot shots at Shadabs Test 'careeer' of 4 games :)) :)) while completly ignoring that the lad has also scored 3 consecutive 50s in three test matches in English conditions and is probably one of the best fielders going around in World cricket.

Talk about brainlessness and desperation :facepalm:
 
Rashid is a champion who will bounce back.

Praising one player does not mean having to degrade another.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Realistically speaking, we can only judge two players when they've played a good 15-20 games across multiple conditions and venues.

That said it's not even a comparison worth mentioning. Shadab has significant contributions in world events helping his team win games at the genuine age of 19 while Rashid plays for a team that is playing its first test match.

Also since this thread is labeled 'Rashid Khan vs Shadab Khan' I find it incredibly cute that some poster (since Rashid is getting a hiding right now) are taking pot shots at Shadabs Test 'careeer' of 4 games :)) :)) while completly ignoring that the lad has also scored 3 consecutive 50s in three test matches in English conditions and is probably one of the best fielders going around in World cricket.

Talk about brainlessness and desperation :facepalm:
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In case you haven't noticed, the comparisons between Shadab and Rashid are based on their bowling and not on their all-round skills. Shadab is an all-rounder and Rashid is a bowler, so there is no point in comparing them as overall players.

The discussion is strictly limited to their leg-spin bowling, and Rashid is comfortably ahead in this department. The fact that the debate is strictly limited to their bowling has been obvious for a while now, but it is never to late to realize.

If Rashid completely leaves Shadab behind as a bowler, our fans can always feel better about themselves by stating that since Shadab is an all-rounder, he brings more value to the side. However, that logic never seems to work when it comes to comparing Ashwin and Yasir, since our fans get foam in their mouths at the suggestion that Ashwin is more valuable because of his batting.
 
sshakir411 said:
The so called PP experts would like us to give Rashid a few games before he’s judged in tests while Shadab gets judged based on 4 test matches.
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No is writing off Shadab. He was used as an example to show that it is very difficult for a spinner to do well in Test cricket without F/C experience. Shadab's Test bowling clearly shows that he does not have many overs under his belt.

Similarly, it should not come as a surprise if Rashid fails in Test cricket initially, because he doesn't have much F/C experience, even though he is a much better bowler than Shadab.
 
Mamoon said:
In case you haven't noticed, the comparisons between Shadab and Rashid are based on their bowling and not on their all-round skills. Shadab is an all-rounder and Rashid is a bowler, so there is no point in comparing them as overall players.

The discussion is strictly limited to their leg-spin bowling, and Rashid is comfortably ahead in this department. The fact that the debate is strictly limited to their bowling has been obvious for a while now, but it is never to late to realize.

If Rashid completely leaves Shadab behind as a bowler, our fans can always feel better about themselves by stating that since Shadab is an all-rounder, he brings more value to the side. However, that logic never seems to work when it comes to comparing Ashwin and Yasir, since our fans get foam in their mouths at the suggestion that Ashwin is more valuable because of his batting.
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In case you did not read the OP the question for this Thread was:

ExpressPacer said:
Who do you think is the better player and who will find more success over the years?
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Rashid Khan has made a Warnesque debut in Test cricket (2-154). He might go on to emulate the Champion spinner in Test cricket.

Fingers crossed.

Has there been a leg spinning all rounder in test cricket...other than Afridi..Shadab coyld potentially be a quality all rounder for Pakitan and with Faheem will make that batting order look quite formidable (hopefully)

I have great hopes from these two youngsters. :)
 
I Say wait till Shadab plays a test with India and who gets the best figures will have edge over the other.

Spinners should be compared with their bowling figures against good players of spin and not against non asian team performance.
 
Zerotohero said:
I Say wait till Shadab plays a test with India and who gets the best figures will have edge over the other.

Spinners should be compared with their bowling figures against good players of spin and not against non asian team performance.
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Shadab might not play a test against India in his career LOL
 
Both seem to rely too much on googly which is always bad for test leggie. Stock ball needs to improve if they need to make their mark in tests

Rashid is a worldclass LOI spinner but he would need to bowl a good leg-spinner to succeed in tests
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
In case you did not read the OP the question for this Thread was:
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I am not talking about the intentions of the OP. The thread was bumped yesterday by our fans who decided to have a dig at Rashid for conceding a lot of runs in the first spell of his Test career, against the best Asian team in the toughest ground for spinners in Asia.
 
Mamoon said:
I am not talking about the intentions of the OP. The thread was bumped yesterday by our fans who decided to have a dig at Rashid for conceding a lot of runs in the first spell of his Test career, against the best Asian team in the toughest ground for spinners in Asia.
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It's not like shadab was playing on dust bowls in England.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shadab Khan's 4-32 are his best bowling figures in ODIs <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ZIMvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ZIMvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1017768696264253440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Shadab is a halwa bowler. It may not be obvious to many currently but would become apparent over the next few seasons.

Rashid on the other hand is a searching examination for batsmen. Unfortunately he plays for a team who won't get the best out of him over his career. Thankfully, he would get to play in some high quality leagues where his talent would be seen for what it is.

PS: Speaking exclusively about white ball cricket.
 
From whatever i have seen Both rely heavily on googlies. Sometimes it feels like thats their primary weapon and they bowl leg spin for a change.

They have to bowl leg spin primarily and use googly as surprise if they want to get success in Test cricket otherwise both will remain LOI specialists.

Since both are new in the international arena, if i have to choose between them I’ll have Shadab in my ODI and T20 team based on his all rounder skills(Rashid isn’t a dud with the bat either). Rashid in the test team based on skills and potential as i think he is better bowler. Thats my personal opinion of course.
 
AMSS said:
Shadab is a halwa bowler. It may not be obvious to many currently but would become apparent over the next few seasons.

Rashid on the other hand is a searching examination for batsmen. Unfortunately he plays for a team who won't get the best out of him over his career. Thankfully, he would get to play in some high quality leagues where his talent would be seen for what it is.

PS: Speaking exclusively about white ball cricket.
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When there was comparison of ashwin and yasir you guys were very vocal about ashwin superior batting put edge on yasir but now with shadab vs rashid you guys don.t mention superior batting and better fielding of shadab oh the irony.

Since you are future teller i would also like to predict rashid will go down to ajanta mendis routie and will become average as his bowling will be analyis with video footage and other aspects.
 
When it comes to bowling , there's no comparison between the 2. Rashid Khan wins this one.
 
Rashid Khan for me. He single handed can win games and has for Afg. So much guile and craft in his armery, good reader of the batsmen too. He will top things for a long time to come in his department.
 
Rashid is easily the better bowler. No doubt about it. I think in a better team, he would be as good, if not better than Shadab with the bat. But Shadab is the better fielder. In fact, he is the best fielder in the Pakistan side.
 
saeed5646 said:
When there was comparison of ashwin and yasir you guys were very vocal about ashwin superior batting put edge on yasir but now with shadab vs rashid you guys don.t mention superior batting and better fielding of shadab oh the irony.

Since you are future teller i would also like to predict rashid will go down to ajanta mendis routie and will become average as his bowling will be analyis with video footage and other aspects.
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Rashid is not a "mystery spinner" like Mendis. He will not be found out because there is nothing to find. He is just damn good.
 
Rashid is the better spinner in LOIs as of now.

But Shadab is the younger of the two and has more time on his side to improve.

Lets see how they progress going into WC 2019
 
Rashid Khan is a better bowler but Shadab brings more value with him for a team.

Rashid :
Batting : 4/10
Bowling : 8/10
Fielding : 7/10

Shadab :
Batting : 6/10
Bowling : 6.5/10
Fielding : 9/10

Plus Shadab genuinely looks his age rather than Rashid who, in all honesty, looks at least 27 years old.
 
Rahsid has not done much ,I think the mor he plays against top opposition the more he will lose it.not a gos sign for him,
 
Obviously mamoon is probably hating on shadab in this thread without even me looking at it though he’s performed better than rashid in this World Cup rashid is a minnow basher
 
Mean&Green said:
Obviously mamoon is probably hating on shadab in this thread without even me looking at it though he’s performed better than rashid in this World Cup rashid is a minnow basher
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Actually Rashid has not been exposed to top sides,the more he plays the more we will know of him,a gun t20 bowler and okay odi spinner for me.Shadab as well but yea he has regressed beacuse th teams know him now,he has been heavily relying on googlies.
 
Rashid Khan has not had the chance to do much this WC. It's hard for a bowler to do anything with the kind of batting Afghanistan has.

125 was the target today. No pressure at all on batsmen.
 
Playing too much T20s hasn't helped Rashid Khan. Firstly he is playing with international stars who will pass the tricks how to play , also footage can be scrutinised everywhere in this modern era. A lot of his success in ODIs has come against teams who haven't played him often.

Secondly I think in T20s most of his success has come when teams attack him. If you just wait for the bad ball and look to see him off he can neutralised imo. I think he needs to play a lot more first class cricket to improve in ODIs and tests.

I would take him over Shadab but Shadab also has the same issue. He needs to play more first class cricket.
 
Rashid khan has lost it, I told you people that the more he plays the more it will become evident they he is not that good.
 
Rashid is slightly better than Shadab.
But then again, he’s like 4+ years older than Shadab.
 
AdamM97 said:
Rashid is slightly better than Shadab.
But then again, he’s like 4+ years older than Shadab.
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He may well be but when did Shadab gave away 110 runs in 9 overs. This world cup Shadab has been better than Rashid, even though the sample size for Shadab is small. Shadab has age on his side and more he play better he will get.
 
Ram Shekhar said:
Sad to see the schadenfreude.

Rashid is a better bowler than the figures today suggest. He just endured a bad day and it can happen with everyone.
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Actually today is one of the few times he has played against a decent opposition outside Sub continent and UAE. I always said that he is a decent bowler but his stats are inflated by playing against lower ranked teams.
 
Titan24 said:
Actually today is one of the few times he has played against a decent opposition outside Sub continent and UAE. I always said that he is a decent bowler but his stats are inflated by playing against lower ranked teams.
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I thought he bowled in BBL and came out with some brilliant stats? It's just his first major tournament and deserves some leeway. Wahab Riaz, the tearaway fast bowler also gave 0-110 against England a couple of years back. Good thing is Rashid will learn and come out as a better cricketer from this.
 
Ram Shekhar said:
I thought he bowled in BBL and came out with some brilliant stats? It's just his first major tournament and deserves some leeway. Wahab Riaz, the tearaway fast bowler also gave 0-110 against England a couple of years back. Good thing is Rashid will learn and come out as a better cricketer from this.
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Bangladesh pitches are known to be some of the best for spinners, so hardly earth shattering.
 
Murali has gone for 100 runs in Australia as well. Many bowlers have been hammered. Shane warne vs Mumbai ranji team in 1999 16 overs 111 runs in a 3 day match.
 
Ram Shekhar said:
I thought he bowled in BBL and came out with some brilliant stats? It's just his first major tournament and deserves some leeway. Wahab Riaz, the tearaway fast bowler also gave 0-110 against England a couple of years back. Good thing is Rashid will learn and come out as a better cricketer from this.
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You're comparing someone (Wahab) that has always been slammed by the fans who know just how expensive he can be.

Besides, as Titan says above, Rashid will eventually be found out if he hasn't already. Playing in the IPL etc won't help him more than harm him, imo.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Murali has gone for 100 runs in Australia as well. Many bowlers have been hammered. Shane warne vs Mumbai ranji team in 1999 16 overs 111 runs in a 3 day match.
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Actually Rashid khan has no notable performance against top oppositions, he ia great t20 bowler and decent odi bowler at best.
 
Ram Shekhar said:
I thought he bowled in BBL and came out with some brilliant stats? It's just his first major tournament and deserves some leeway. Wahab Riaz, the tearaway fast bowler also gave 0-110 against England a couple of years back. Good thing is Rashid will learn and come out as a better cricketer from this.
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Bamboozling some Australian domestic batsmen with leg spin and googly is hardly something to right home about, even Yasir Shah was taking wickets in Big Bash.

In internationals you against almost every team are bowling to top batsmen of the world and you wont get those easy preys as one gets in T20 leagues. Same is the case with batsmen as well who score tons of runs and match winning innings by scoring 20+ runs of mediocre bowlers overs and they fail more often than not in international cricket.

He is a decent bowler but no way near a star some leagues have made him out to be by bullying domestic batsmen.
 
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sshakir411 said:
Reality check for Rashid today.
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True was getting too excited and over the moon by bashing associates and becoming number 1 lol and IPL well batsman have to hit you from ball 1 hence you can get the better of them but when it comes to the real deal against the big boys you will get a massive reality check which he has done today
 
People are too harsh on one bad performance. Lets see how he does in next few games
 
So this was one of the few occasions when Rashid was playing against top teams consecutively in a tournament and failed miserably. This was the only thing I was trying present when some posters were going gaga over his heroics in 20 over leagues.

Again he is a decent bowler but not the over hyped star some cricket experts and posters make him out to be.
 
Shadab has been better this WC no doubt but playing for a better team may have played a factor into this. Nevertheless, Shadab has to improve.
 
Titan24 said:
So this was one of the few occasions when Rashid was playing against top teams consecutively in a tournament and failed miserably. This was the only thing I was trying present when some posters were going gaga over his heroics in 20 over leagues.

Again he is a decent bowler but not the over hyped star some cricket experts and posters make him out to be.
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Jonny bairstow makes him look good for Hyderabad
Mujeeb ur Rehman looked a lot more decent in afghanistan
 
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